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DennisOS2
02-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Once the Pre hits and is a smashing success watch for the resurgence of the PDA using WebOS. With WiFi and BT and GPS these new generation PDAs will give the iPod Touch a real run for the money. not a given at this time ........... Palm has bombed big-time in the recent past. It seems like they have the basis of a winner here. Being a long time believer in the early Palm business model, I'm hpoing they follow this through.
Josser
02-15-2009, 09:26 AM
Jeff Hawkins - no new PDAs (http://www.cnet.com.au/mobilephones/accessories/0,239025938,339278150,00.htm)
CNET: "This product seems to be the final shovel of dirt over the PDA's grave. Do you see any room left for innovation in smaller PDA devices?"
Jeff Hawkins: "I don't know. Do you think of the iPod as a PDA device? I think the things people traditionally did with a PDA are more and more being done with a smart phone. We're not investing in that area much. That's not a secret. And of course the business is declining. I don't think it's declining just because we're not investing in it. We're not out to kill the PDA business. It's a good business. We still sell millions of them. That line is in its later years. It's mature. It's declining. We are not actively looking for a really clever thing to do in that space. It's probably not going to come from us."
It looks like they are about to release a dizzying array of spectacular new PDAs.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your fantasy, just keep dreaming and wishing and hoping that they will re-invest in that dead technology.
Greek
02-15-2009, 11:18 AM
Be aware that: Jeff Hawkins no longer works for Palm, at least not actively; that interview was when the Foleo was about to be released in June 2007. A lot of time has passed (technologically speaking). The iPhone made a blast and marked the path for Android, Bberry Storm, Nokia 6800, HTC Touch HD, Samsung Omnia, the Pre, etc.
Smartphones can do what the PDA (does/did) and more.
The most similar thing to a PDA that I think Palm could produce is a MID (Mobile Internet Device) which is a larger PDA or a small tablet. WebOS is capable of that. Also, a tablet or a second generation Foleo. Sorry, I seriously doubt that consumer electronic manufacturers, will release new PDAs. (Not HP, or Dell, or Palm).
And I wouldn't consider the iPod Touch a PDA, it's more capable (even with the closed OS/software thing that Jobs decided to do with it).
PDAs will only be released in vertical market for inventory, presales and sales: they are ruggerized, big, heavy and expensive, not practical for carrying in a pocket.
Regards,
DennisOS2
02-16-2009, 06:57 PM
The definition of "PDA" is certainly different than when I had the HP 90, 100, 200LX. Much different than with the the Palm offerings or Sony offerings. This new platform (WebOS / Linux) will allow a PDA to be whatever Palm wants a PDA to be. I believe the iPod Touch is a PDA .........what people demand a PDA be today. But it can still offer more. There's nothing to say a Pre based PDA couldn't offer everything the Pre does without the phone functionality, but with multimedia add-ins. Don't know why you'd want one, but the Touch certainly sells.
Josser
02-16-2009, 10:23 PM
They call it Web-OS for a reason, it is Web-centric, it works mainly with the Web. It can do things off-line, but most apps will expect Web access.
And the iTouch is not a PDA, it is a very good MP3 player that can also view PIM data and play some games, like pull my finger and pop the bouble wrap if that is your speed.
DennisOS2
02-17-2009, 09:12 AM
They call it Web-OS for a reason, it is Web-centric, it works mainly with the Web. It can do things off-line, but most apps will expect Web access.
And the iTouch is not a PDA, it is a very good MP3 player that can also view PIM data and play some games, like pull my finger and pop the bouble wrap if that is your speed.
Developers will have access to the Linux core. you'll see plenty of business related apps.
What a 'PDA' is gets defined by the user, not you. The Touch isn't much of a PDA to me either. but some say its the balance they need. 'Personal' to them.
Josser
02-17-2009, 09:34 AM
Developers will have access to the Linux core. you'll see plenty of business related apps. . .
Not according to what has been revealed in the SDK Mojo, everything is done in interpreted languages. There is not direct access to the core so far.
Just because some idiot thinks their iPod is time machine does not make it a time machine even if it can play songs from the '60s it is not a time machine, it is an MP3 player. When you start redefining words to fit your views, no one can communicate. iTouch does not meet the criteria for the definition of a PDA, Get a grip.
GodOwnsAnNX80
02-17-2009, 12:22 PM
Buy a pre... don't subscribe to phone service... surprise! You have a new Palm PDA.
DennisOS2
02-17-2009, 01:30 PM
Not according to what has been revealed in the SDK Mojo, everything is done in interpreted languages. There is not direct access to the core so far.
Just because some idiot thinks their iPod is time machine does not make it a time machine even if it can play songs from the '60s it is not a time machine, it is an MP3 player. When you start redefining words to fit your views, no one can communicate. iTouch does not meet the criteria for the definition of a PDA, Get a grip.
And what version of the SDK have they released? The Pre isn't locked yet and there is bound to be many versions.
Terms evolve over time. All of the PDAs today do more than in the days of the 200LX and Pilot. Because they play MP3s and movies are they not still PDAs? The only traditional function that makes a PDA and PDA is the PIM functions. I believe the Touch has rudimentary PIM functions. Could be wrong.
Yes, you probably have a very firm grip .......... but on something that's better discussed on another type of forum. How are the calluses coming.
Buy a pre... don't subscribe to phone service... surprise! You have a new Palm PDA.
My sentiments exactly. I think that many here believe that by adding the phone functionality, the device will need to cost more. But when a carrier puts there subsidy pricing on a smartphone, the price is much cheaper than what you could buy a stand-alone PDA with similar feature-set. And since the demand for a webos PDA should be lower than for a smartphone, that would drive the price up somewhat too.
My two biggest issues are:
1) I won't switch carriers just to get a Pre. This means I'll need to wait a relatively long time to get one (GSM).
2) I still find data plans are too expensive for my needs. I'd rather pay full price, and not use the data features (unless in a free WiFi area). So will the user experience be terrible when off-line? I'll have to wait for the hands-on reviews...
JavaJiveJump
02-19-2009, 03:38 PM
I wish cell carriers could all agree on selling any PDA/Smartphone no matter what. Let people choose carriers because of their service (customer/coverage).
In a form of a response to my earlier post in this thread, here is an interesting blog comment on using a Pre "Offline":
http://jkontherun.com/2009/02/19/web-based-apps-vs-apps-built-on-web-standards/
I hope he's right!
DennisOS2
02-24-2009, 08:17 AM
In a form of a response to my earlier post in this thread, here is an interesting blog comment on using a Pre "Offline":
http://jkontherun.com/2009/02/19/web-based-apps-vs-apps-built-on-web-standards/
I hope he's right!
Palm has a history, now, with business users plus the long-standing Palm user base. Both are accustomed to device based apps. Both demand some type of offline functionality. If you add in the disgruntled WinMobile Treo users (myself included) who are also used to Office apps and the base becomes significant for the traditional apps design. Hasn't Palm already stated Dataviz will a supply a read only DTG suite for the shipping Pre? That suite won't be web based.
The big issues are security for corporations and getting data from the Pre to the home PC (for those that work from home).
JavaJiveJump
02-24-2009, 01:48 PM
If companies keep doing stuff like this:
http://www.tealpoint.com/softos.htm
then I don't mind hanging on to my LD for years to come. :-)
DennisOS2
02-25-2009, 02:42 PM
If companies keep doing stuff like this:
http://www.tealpoint.com/softos.htm
then I don't mind hanging on to my LD for years to come. :-)
VERY cool. When I was using PalmOS PDAs/smartphones I used quite a few Teal apps. This, however, is a big leap for them. Glad to see they continue to breath life ............... into your LifeDrive :D Have you demo'ed it yet?
JavaJiveJump
02-25-2009, 02:51 PM
It's pretty cool. I am really enjoying it... so much that I have purchased it! :)
DennisOS2
02-25-2009, 03:01 PM
It's pretty cool. I am really enjoying it... so much that I have purchased it! :)
So ............... did it slow things down? Many shells/launchers suck up resources and TealOS looks fairly sophisticated. My favorite launcher was Zlauncher. I'd be switching to this in a heartbeat.
JavaJiveJump
02-25-2009, 04:49 PM
I thought it would slow things down. But on my LD it is pretty zippy! Albeit, not as zippy as the Pre on CES, but it gives my "old" Palm a new look and fresh feel that I like. Being able to use the 5-way Nav dial is actually a plus that touch screens just don't have. :-) IMHO
Oh, and I read above I think that someone used Warpdrive to crank some speed for TealOS. I haven't done that in fear of looping my device. haha... I've done that before by cranking the speed well over 700Mhz, not pretty. haha
There's no market for handhelds? How are they going to hack into the Government computers without Palm?! I still think it stinks, though I also think it's possible that Palm could in time take on the iPod Touch with a webOS enabled device. It would be some heck of a resurrection but it could pay off if done well, there are still too many applications which become awkward on one device.
T|X and E2 in recent movie (http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2516-1.htm)
DennisOS2
04-09-2009, 07:21 PM
There's no market for handhelds? How are they going to hack into the Government computers without Palm?! I still think it stinks, though I also think it's possible that Palm could in time take on the iPod Touch with a webOS enabled device. It would be some heck of a resurrection but it could pay off if done well, there are still too many applications which become awkward on one device.
T|X and E2 in recent movie (http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/2516-1.htm)
Palm claims they are still selling PDAs. Can't imagine that market not moving to smartphones, but if there is still a group that prefers a separate phone from PDA, this would be the PDA to have. Along with WiFi and BT and you'll have one of the most sophisticated PDAs out there. Would be great for corporate/manufacturing environments needing customized applications and communications but not necessarily giving everyone a cell phone.
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