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Pgr
02-03-2009, 05:32 AM
A friend of mine has a stuttering problem and is currently looking for a particular kind of device to improve his fluency. It's a technique called "Delayed Auditory Feedback" (DAF) which simply consists of repeating the user's voice into his ear with a slight delay (50 to 250 milliseconds). For some reason this helps the user to avoid stammering, with quite miraculous results, for most people.

These devices exist as in-ear hardware, but cost almost $5000. A software for Pocket PC uses the same technique (requires headphones). Of course it's not as convenient, and can be used only occasionally, but it helps sometimes.

There seems to be nothing of the sort for my friend's Palm OS Treo. I was wondering if any of the generous and prolific developers here in 1src would like to venture into writing this app.

The requirements seem to be:

1- getting sound from a microphone, either the built-in phone mic or and external one.

2- filtering that sound to exclude non-voice frequencies.

3- filtering that sound to exclude sounds that are far away, i.e., low intensity.

4- changing the pitch of the resulting sound according to a user-configurable setting. This is called "Frequency Altered Feedback" (FAF), it is a complementary technique that also seems to help.

5- creating a user-configurable delay to the sound

6- outputting it through the phone's speaker or external headphones.

7- Not strictly needed, but a cool idea for a feature: being able to use this during phone calls, by emitting the users DAF/FAF-altered voice on the speaker along with the other caller's voice.

8- Being able to jump to another application (like memopad) while all this is happening, so the user can speak with the aid and follow a text.

Requirements 1, 4, 5 and 6 constitute the essential application.
Requirements 2, 3 and 8 are just nice-to-have additions.
Requirement 7 is probably too hard, forget it.

Examples of such software for Pocket PC can be studied here:

http://www.suggestsoft.com/soft/artefactsoft/pocket-daf-faf-assistant/
http://www.suggestsoft.com/soft/speechgym-labs/speechgym-mobile/

And for Windows, with free trial versions:

http://www.download32.com/daf-faf-assistant-for-windows-i20397.html

I have no idea how hard this is to write, to be honest. But I think it guarantees very thankful and happy users. Sometimes people use these software versions of DAF/FAF as testing grounds to assure that the big $5000 investment for the internal ear hardware is really worth it. But for many others it's the only thing they'll ever have.

Any takers, at least for the simplest version? :)

Thanks in advance!

MarkDogg
02-03-2009, 07:11 PM
Another good thing would be if it could be used with a Bluetooth hearing device, this would allow it to be used more commonly without looking out of place.

Pgr
02-04-2009, 04:12 AM
Another good thing would be if it could be used with a Bluetooth hearing device, this would allow it to be used more commonly without looking out of place.
I'm hoping that if a program can work with the phone's mic and speaker, it will seamlessly work with any headset, either wired or wireless.

Hoping... :)

Tam Hanna
02-04-2009, 07:05 AM
Hi,
possible.

But its a question of the effort vs the payback!

Pgr
02-04-2009, 09:39 AM
Hi,
possible.

But its a question of the effort vs the payback!
How much effort, would you say? I actually don't know how much I'm asking - I have a feeling it's a long shot, but...

I'm not offering any money upfront for this, although I admit my friend would buy it as a shareware if it worked well and was reasonably priced. I was hoping that, for someone out there, technical curiosity and the Feeling Of Having Helped Someone would be enough.

I have no idea what commercial future an app like this could have, with Palm OS on it's way out. It could perhaps sell a few dozens, perhaps hundreds. Maybe it's full rights could be sold to the company that markets the Pocket PC versions.

I do have a hunch that the feature mentioned in number 7 would make it a killer app for everyone out there with this problem. It would make Treos and Centros the stammer-less phones. This is high value stuff because people who stutter fear making phone calls, and this could be very helpful. But it must be very hard to implement... I just don't see how a program can intercept the Phone app's sound and change it. I'd say it would take a hacker, not a developer, to achieve that.

I believe the Pocket PC versions don't allow using the app while making phone calls - somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

MarkDogg
02-14-2009, 10:07 PM
The payback would be great, check out the stuttering forums on the web there you could find many customers for the app. Since stuttering runs through genes, if the person is satisfied they will have relatives using it, there is money to be made their.

Anyone interested?

Adam Helberg
02-15-2009, 12:55 PM
I have one of the pocket devices that I'm not using and am willing to sell.

Adam

MarkDogg
02-18-2009, 04:28 PM
Adam, what do you mean by pocket devices?

Adam Helberg
02-18-2009, 07:19 PM
Mine is a pocket device made by Casa Futura
http://www.casafuturatech.com
you can set the delay and well as frequency shift.

Adam

whatdoeven
03-02-2009, 07:10 PM
I want to know how to choose a hearing aids. And how to wash the cheap hearing aids (http://www.lastinghearing.com/) . Can you give me any advice?

Adam Helberg
03-03-2009, 12:57 AM
I want to know how to choose a hearing aids. And how to wash the cheap hearing aids (http://www.lastinghearing.com/) . Can you give me any advice?

Sure, I advise you to peddle your spam elsewhere.

MarkDogg
03-12-2009, 07:13 PM
Anyone willing to start this app, im pretty sure it will sell, check out the stuttering forums.

MarkDogg
03-25-2009, 04:00 AM
Anyone Up to it?

dmitrygr
03-29-2009, 11:38 PM
doable, but the market, does it exist?

Pgr
03-30-2009, 03:16 AM
doable, but the market, does it exist?
Mark will probably argue that there is, I wouldn't be so sure, to be honest.

I'd say there's a large potential market, but how many will actually turn into customers is anyone's guess.

If I was technically able to do this (I'm not), I think I would hesitate to start it... unless I could do requirement no.7.

That would change the market, I think. It would multiply the occasions to use the tool; it would command a greater price; it would make the headset unnecessary; I think many stutterers would actually change phones just for that app.

Is no.7 doable?

dmitrygr
03-30-2009, 12:25 PM
yes, 7 is doable

Pgr
03-30-2009, 04:14 PM
Well, should I start a poll like The Official "Will you pay Dmitry $20 for SDHC" Thread?

I'd say... let's see... $19.95 for the app without requirement 7, and perhaps... hhm... $39.95 for the app with requirement 7 (maybe even more).

So, what would your total price be, so we know how many people we have to gather as promised buyers? Only you can have a notion of how much work it would be.

But of course, you won't do it just for money, you'll do it for money + technical challenge + not being annoyed, right? :)

Pent
03-31-2009, 03:53 AM
Maybe approaching developers who already have products with a lot of the functionallity is a good way to go e.g.

http://software.palminfocenter.com/product.asp?id=1962

Pent