1SRC palm pre forum created!

[Reggie]

Palm pre forum created.

Exciting stuff! Go Palm!

[LupeValenz]

Yes!!! Palm is back!! It is amazing! My goodness, I think I am more excited than I was when iPhone was announced!

[Reggie]

I'm sooo glad they created a new platform! woohoo! Welcome! Back! Palm!

[LupeValenz]

Agree. This was worth the wait! Go Palm and Sprint!

[ssulux]

hope sony would also come back to develop a nicer hardware for this new platform. u guys think that other hardware manufacturers would be able to license this new os?

[LupeValenz]

Palm Pre Site (http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html) is up and running...though there is a glitch. I am seeing. They have the webOS running over a centro :(. Way to go, but at least it shows what the apps look like :)

EDIT: Wow, all the apps look incredible. It looks like I won't have to go looking for any 3rd party apps.

[LupeValenz]

Folks over at Treocentral has posted up a video showing an ok quality video of the Keynote. It will give us an idea how the WebOS works.


Palm Pre Keynote (http://qik.com/mp4/7046f81da22640db8cd4ca0f2c10d397.1.mp4)

EDIT: I'm just seeing this and wow, the animation is pretty amazing. The live cards is incredible. They flicked through the contact list, pulled back and you still see it scrolling in the background. Oh iPhone killer for sure. Easy app access instead of having to go back to the home screen to access the apps you want.

[ssulux]

you are right lupe. all are very nice. thx for the head up of the palm pre web site. indeed, very2 nice device and a charming os.

[LupeValenz]

Your welcome ssulux. Glad to help out. It is, nice device and great os. They are correct in the keynote. This is the one phone I can go on years without wanting to change.

[JAmerican]

WOW! Finally we see something from Palm. I am amazed Sprint is getting all this Palm action. Now I wonder if I should switch my buggy Treo 800w for a Treo Pro or a Palm Pre. I wonder if Sprint would allow me to choose. Hmmm... Choices...

[Joel]

Hello everyone! :) Great to see what Palm is doing right now!

[JAmerican]

OMG I am watching the vid (tks by the way). Really cool!! I wonder how long it will take for apps to aggregate.

[ftwitty]

At this rate one should wait to see what Palm does in a couple of months. First the Pro and now the Pre in just a few months..... I just got Pro right after it became available. Way too soon to think about anything new. I still love my new Pro.

[intellidryad]

There is something big missing in the presentation. Where is Docs2go for webOS? This is a phone to organize all the data in life, and a big chunk of my stuff are in Office documents and pdf files. Maybe we should wait and see.

Just don't tell us that we should run Docs2go in a OS5 emulator, just as running Office '04 in an emulator when Intel Macs came out...

Either way, the Palm Pre remains the most intriguing phone I've ever seen. Maybe my "dumb-phone" days are nearing it's end :D

@ssulux:
Sony's out of the picture, and for good. First of all, Palm really got burned when they spinned out Palmsource (rumored to be partly by Sony's request so Palm doesn't get exclusive resources on OS development), so I think they would stay away from the licensing mess. On the other side, Sony is refocusing on mobile entertainment devices, future mobile devices would either be the PSP, Walkman (you might want to check out the NWZ-X1000 with Wi-Fi), Vaio P series or that funky Mylo thing. As much as we love Clie organizer, I don't envision it coming back, ever. Today's Sony is a very different beast from what it was.

[LupeValenz]

Well on the list of sponsors, we see Dataviz up there so we should be getting Docs2Go for WebOS. Dataviz never let me down with their Palm products so I'm sure it will be good.

[Alan G]

hope sony would also come back to develop a nicer hardware for this new platform. u guys think that other hardware manufacturers would be able to license this new os?

According to Ed Colligan in a Barron's Tech Trader Daily interview, Palm hasn't ruled out licensing WebOS, but won't be doing so any time soon. This is Palm's time to shine boys and girls.

Alan G

[Alan G]

There is something big missing in the presentation. Where is Docs2go for webOS? This is a phone to organize all the data in life, and a big chunk of my stuff are in Office documents and pdf files. Maybe we should wait and see.

Just don't tell us that we should run Docs2go in a OS5 emulator, just as running Office '04 in an emulator when Intel Macs came out...

If you look at DataViz's portfolio, Documents To Go is a mature platform. To keep sales humming along, they have brought the same love we have had on our Palm OS devices for years to other platforms, including Windows Mobile. (Something I asked for 3 years ago.)

Docs To Go is now available for Win Mo and BlackBerry. It is coming to the iPhone/iPod touch. I have to believe that it will be available on the Pre by the time it launches later this year.

Alan G

[Dolomite]

It certainly does look nice. Very iPhone like in look and functionality. It's like they took alot cool ideas from iPhone, then added the things that were missing. Certainly got me interested in Palm again.

[JAmerican]

Still waiting to see who will support the OS before I do. I don't want to be a beta tester if you know what I mean.

[LupeValenz]

Hiya again. Got to love Youtube, they have a better quality of the keynote. Though it is broken into 5 parts but still better than nothing. Enjoy the vid.


Palm Pre demo
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6l0birqeig) just click on the high quality and it will come up clean :).

EDIT: Just found a nice lil interview with Ed Colligan with Talking tech. Talking Tech: Ed Colligan on Palm Pre Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQ4v2QEZUI)

[ZodiacDuo]

if this cloud thing is what it is all about, then who needs docs to go? GoogleDocs or Zoho are ready. Provided the webOS's browser is really all that.

My concern is battery life. If this is supposed to be an always on, always connected to everyone type of device, i want to see 8hrs of continuous use out of the battery.

[LupeValenz]

Hello everyone! :) Great to see what Palm is doing right now!

Heya Joel! Curious if you were the Joel I saw on the Treocentral Live blog. I asked but darn thing didn't show up. Excited to see another 1src user over there. :D

[BalBurgh]

Looks killer, and potentially worth the wait, but won't be buying it 'til it hits Verizon.

I guess the bugs will be worked out by then (and we will know if the thing is a truly a big enough hit to save Palm and/or survive the coming economic meltdown that will make it difficult for many folks to pay elevated monthly voice and data fees) so that's a great thing, but it means soldiering on with my ancient stuff for another year or so.

Didn't like the curves on the proposed first piece of hardware but other than that it looks to be exactly what I wanted so no complaints there.

Finally, if this thing flames out and Docs to Go makes it to the iPhone cleanly then I may finally punt for that device (I'll definitely feel the pain) since over the long haul they will ultimately incorporate everything it needs, which right now means text/PIM/data entry/document handling and not just phone/entertainment media.

Click touch on Blackberry Storm design is pointless so far but other than that they are also very close. If the standalone PDA has to die at least some manufacturers are finally getting the integration close to right. Same with Google/G1/etc for that matter.

That said I think things look good and I'll continue to root and hold out.

Go Palm!

All that said, if I don't have the option to store my data locally and keep it out of the "cloud" (ahem--bulls***), then it's a giant non-starter.

[intellidryad]

if this cloud thing is what it is all about, then who needs docs to go? GoogleDocs or Zoho are ready. Provided the webOS's browser is really all that.
Docs2go is still way better then any web office application out there. It's functional and responsive. And you still want to have access to your files in basements or on planes, right?

Also curious how they would make D2G blend in with the revolutionary UI. The Blackberry/S60/WM versions of D2G all seem quite similar with the original Palm OS version.

[Dolomite]

Did they mention how desktop syncing will work? Is this done with HotSync, or will changes be pushed over the air like in iPhone?

[technical1]

Why isn't anybody talking about backward compatibility w/native Palm apps?

Long experience using computers/technology tells me that software drives hardware sales. I did not switch over to Windows until I really needed software that required it's use. I have a lot invested in terms of money & functionality & familiarity using PalmOS apps to make me work more easily/efficiently.

An interview posted here w/some Palm Inc. official/officer said that the Pre (& / or WebOS ? ) would not be backwards compatible w/native Palm apps, but was confident there would be those who would work to alleviate that situation.

In terms of 'alleviating' that situation; I am afraid. Too many times emulation has not been 100% & it usually hits people in their favorite, beyond-the-norm type apps, like foreign language localization or clock-speed managers, or security apps like Resco's ID Guard. Putting that up in the 'cloud' is scary to me.

Another point that others brought up very correctly: why did Palm make their next OS completely web dependent? Not all places/neighborhoods have good reception & in terms of security- it could be a nightmare- what with all the ID theft going on?

Also, battery life for constant 'net connectivity will be a big issue & the cost of phone & data is going to be a criterion of how well it will sell. Power users will want it, but Palm needs to sell a lot of these in order to make the Pre the recovery-inducing 'shot in the arm' it needs & data plans are just not all that cheap & that will put a damper on sales of the whole platform.

I wish there were local backup storage options, a lot of corporations won't like the security problems online storage will present & who knows what less-than-perfect provider signal availablity will mean in terms of the day-to-day use of the web based features?

All in all I have to say that the specs on RAM storage, CPU speed, screen-size etc.; are all impressive, but constant web connectivity as a requirement & no local storage? I would never, EVER be without backup on a local (micro-)SD card.... & the cost of data plans could affect sales to the masses; regardless of the price of the device- the cost of monthly data-plan might make the whole web-based OS idea a monkey-wrench in the machinery.

In any case, I would love to know how it is that Sprint seemingly gets the monopoly on all new 'sexy' phones. I'm on VZW & would wait for the Pre to be on their network first. By the time that happens, as others have already said, we will see how things work out for the Pre & Palm Inc.

Does anyone know about the s/w compatibility issue?, that is gonna be the first order of business. I know that Microsoft has had probs w/the robustness w/each newer version of Windoze because of the need to be 'backwards compatible', but leaving all those people & their loyalty to Palm in the virtual dust seems to me to be a big mistake. After all, a lot of the loyalty is based on the vast amount of PalmOS s/w out there; along w/the low profile of PalmOS programming vs. WindowsMobile.

Functionality, functionality, functionality. Software sells hardware. The rest is details i.e. the cost of using the h/w i.e. monthly data-plans could impede a number of people fm buying a competitively priced basic piece of h/w.... & prevent a really large amount of the buying public fm buying into the new platform & make the Pre & webOS based devices into the home-run that Palm needs.

The web-based OS, w/those resultant monthly data-plan fees will rule out the chance to have more economically oriented phones i.e. hardware.

Of course, it could help bring down prices on data-plans in the long run if it becomes really popular i.e. widely used, but for the short-run; cell providers won't be so quick to give discounts on their big cash-cows.

I'm sure everyone has something to say about this, especially as more actually get the device into their hands...

[Dolomite]

i am pretty sure it will work offline as well. i saw him talking about the Airplane mode, which disables all the radios. it didnt shut down the devive, you could still use it.

[LupeValenz]

Syncing seems to be done over the air and it sounds like its going to be done in the background, not taking you out of the experience of using the device. I'm not sure if it was Ed Colligan or some other Palm employee but they said that the plan on doing firmware upgrades OTA as well. It seems to be a complete cloud phone system. I just hope they give us an option if we want to upgrade our firmware.

[gilesdawe]

Can we talk about phones like the Centro (http://www.mobiles.org.nz/palm-centro.php) on this forum since haven't seen any threads about specific models yet.

[Greek]

The Pre is a totally different product with a completely different OS. The Centro is very similar to the Treo 680, so we talk about the Centro in the Treo section. :)

Regards,

[technical1]

i am pretty sure it will work offline as well. i saw him talking about the Airplane mode, which disables all the radios. it didnt shut down the devive, you could still use it.

Dolomite-

Yes, but what functionality will be lost when you disable the radios?

and still nobody has addressed the backwards compatability issue yet.

Until then, I for one feel left out, with a large investment of money, time, & getting the apps & settings & level of productivity that I'd get any device for is left in the dust by WebOS NOT supporting legacy Palm apps out of the box.
Without the backwards compatibility, this might as well be a better behaved Windows Mobile, running on a Linux based platform-

except that Palm has seen fit to stress the WebOS aspect more than the Linux based aspect- & thereby get others to do their work for them.... sure w/all the web related programming platforms being 'supported' by WebOS, Palm doesn't have to do anything. They just sit back & let others take care of the 'little stuff' like support of what made Palm into what Palm was known for- lots & lots & lots of good apps that were not all that hard to use.

Now with WebOS they seem to have abdicated their responsibility to their loyal base of users for a new paradigm with no apparent means of running the current PalmOS apps.

Why did Palm bother with Linux? Hopefully b/c it is more stable & hopefully others will create a pipeline, or channel, or environment, or whatever it is called to have use of those apps we all know & love.

There must be local storage built in, and what were they thinking by providing a battery capacity of ONLY 1150? Yes, others have gotten by, but the whole whiz-bang aspect of WebOS is the 'cloud', & that means power being devoured quickly to take advantage of these features & OH, you might want to make a phone call, which also eats up power... :confused:

[PalmPreFan]

Hi,

I love the Pre and the new webOS. Thank you for creating the subforum. ;)

Cheers,
PalmPreFan

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