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PDA gadgetfreak

05-18-2003, 04:13 PM

I use ebooks but also read my share of paperbacks and hardbacks. For me, ebooks and webclipping programs (AvantGo and isilo) allow me to do a little reading when I may not have thought to bring a book with me....for example, at lunch, in a waiting room etc. It's just a convenient way to do a little reading in spare time on a business day.

Why don't you give it a try? There are some free ebook readers and free books to find online. Even most of the shareware programs offer a free trial.

exiii

05-18-2003, 10:30 PM

Because a Clie is it's own reading light for bedtime.

And I always have it with me anyway.

OcellNuri

05-18-2003, 10:42 PM

I agree with both PDA gadgetfreak and exiii fully.

I read ebooks on my NX because I always have it with me. I won't carry a book around with me everywhere I go, so I don't get through it very fast. If I find myself waiting in a waiting room, or sitting on a bus though, I can get my NX out and work on a book durring my idle time. It is also great for reading in low/poor lighting conditions where a book would be difficult to see. Your spot is also always saved in an ebook. You don't have to look for a book mark or dog eared page, just start your reader and go.

Here is something I'll do that makes an ebook great for me. While eating alone at a fast food place, I'll stand my NX up in an A with the screen facing me. Then I'll turn on Autoscroll to a decently slow speed. I can read while I'm eating and I never have to touch my Clie. I bet I've gotten through a good 20% of my last book this way.

In school ebooks proved much better than the paperbacks that were handed out to the class. Durring class discussions on the material I could search through the ebook version for keywords, write in notes, and find exact quotes in seconds. Being able to search through a book for words and names is extremely powerful for a school paper or discussion. I bet this ability would really be handy if you are in any book clubs as well.

Buying an ebook can be done in seconds from your home computer, which can be very handy if you are in a hurry to leave for a long trip and you don't have time to run by the book store to pick something up for the car/plane ride. There are so many advantages I see for ebooks. Of course, I'm not saying we should burn all paper. There is still nothing better than passing a great paperback to a buddy for them to enjoy.

halosal

05-19-2003, 05:46 AM

I read e-books when travelling, since it saves space and weight. At home I still prefer to read the very old-fashioned paper books. (Does anyone in this forum still remember what they look like?:D )

Unregistered

05-19-2003, 06:13 AM

eBooks can help you to be more lazy as with other technology. :)

elf

05-19-2003, 07:37 AM

Just a few reasons:

I can carry a whole library with me everywhere I go.

Books can be searched far more easily when they are in electronic format.

I have my PDA with me everywhere I go to I'm never bored when
I'm waiting in line. In fact it seems that time passes faster when you're reading while waiting in line.

I can read in the dark (without requiring night-vision goggles or a table-lamp). :D

MythoFactory

05-19-2003, 07:52 AM

I spend 2 hours in train everyday to go to work, and I prefer to be late work than leave home without something to read ;-). E-books are great if you want to discover new authors.
One thing though: I read exclusively and alternatively SF and Fantasy;?there's a lot of good books, but I never found a Tolkien e-book, nor a Frank Herbert one. The great classics are nowhere to find. :( even recent best-sellers (Harry potter, the death gates series, etc...)

as for the rest I agree with the other members.
Oh, and I buy all my ebooks on PalmDigitalMedia. Don't need to carry your library, cheap, and PalmReader is THE BEST. Using Palm ebook studio you can even buy PDF books and convert them.

pixelpainter

05-19-2003, 08:22 AM

you can find those around on the net. You just have to look. If you don't have any issues with using these "unauthorized" books than they can be found and read.

MythoFactory

05-19-2003, 09:07 AM

I know you can find everything on the net. I DO NOT agree with warez books, though, no more than I would buy a photocopied book from a friend.

AndyMac

05-19-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by MythoFactory
I know you can find everything on the net. I DO NOT agree with warez books, though, no more than I would buy a photocopied book from a friend.

I have absolutely NO problem downloading a book from the internet that I already OWN a hardcopy of. I have even bought books from Peanut Press that I already own in hardcopy.

If Lord Of the Rings was out on Peanut Press I would buy it in a heartbeat and I have sent them emails to this effect.

But between my wife and I we own three sets of the Lord Of the Rings and I have a very nicely formatted Palm Reader version on my Palm as well.

For Shogun I bought the paperback, then downloaded an e-book version of it to read on my Clie. My Clie is much easier to hold than that big paperback is.

I have several Tom Clancy books that I have on my shelf and have downloaded e-book versions.

If Palm Digital Media will start selling these, I will buy them but they can't sell them.

PPC

05-19-2003, 09:31 AM

I had never condsidered using ebooks until I got the free MS Reader with my Axim. Now I rarely use anything else.

It's great to be able to read anytime and also great for those who want to read in bed without disturbing one's spouse.

The fact that most of the clasics are available free is a huge bonus. I had loaned my copy of T E Lawrence's Seven Pillars of Wisdom to a friend and (of course) it was never seen again. I was reluctant to have to buy it again, so downloaded it for free this morning.

All you NX and NZ guys with the CF storage can have a complete library with you at any time - I certainly do on my Axim.

What would be perfect would be getting access to download the E version when buying a new paper book. Wonder if that would ever happen?

cass_m

05-19-2003, 09:46 AM

In addition to being able to have a whole library with you all the time, e-books are often cheaper. I got Darwin's Radio and Darwin's Children for less than I would have paid for the hardcover of either. Since I don't live in a large center, I can get something new to read any time I want to. This has to be good for the authors too I would think, upping their book sales.

MythoFactory

05-19-2003, 10:02 AM

I always wonder why the big editors don't release the e-book and the 2nd edition simultaneously. They must have a digital format for their books, it would cost them almost nothing.

But maybe they have to sell PAPER...

icarus

05-19-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by halosal
I read e-books when travelling, since it saves space and weight. At home I still prefer to read the very old-fashioned paper books. (Does anyone in this forum still remember what they look like?:D )

I do :) I do :) I do :)

Actually, I do read mainly paperback boocks in the evening before sleeping.
So far, two things are holding me off, really reading eBooks:

1) My 160x160 screen is just a bit on the low side, to make it real comfortable.

2) Often, I don't find just the books I was looking for. There is a lot of leisure books. And I have not managed to find too many of the ones I was aiming for.

Might both change. Will check some more links and hopefully getting soon something new. (Waiting for something like the rumored Clié "T380".)

Time will tell.

Unregistered

05-19-2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by MythoFactory
I always wonder why the big editors don't release the e-book and the 2nd edition simultaneously. They must have a digital format for their books, it would cost them almost nothing.

But maybe they have to sell PAPER...

That's for sure... Publishers are probably wary of releasing in electronic formats because the nature of ebooks make them easily reproducible, both legally and, illegally, that's why media companies want DRM (Digital Rights Management) so much (to the point that it's a MUST HAVE in future e-goods).

Yes, even the best anti-piracy tool may get beaten, but that's better than nothing, also a good anti-piracy system should be able to withheld a large amount of illegal reproduction.

Just take a look at the MPAA/RIAA/DMCA thing...

Also there isn't a single universal technical format that faciliate eBook distributions (e.g. for use on desktop, PDAs...), there are too many proprietary formats that also hinder the development of eBook.

IMO Adobe's Acrobat is the best solution available if you need text formatting, consistent fonts and layouts on different platforms. If not HTML or XML will do the job.

Just my 2 cents comment.

Unregistered XXX.

wbdjr

05-19-2003, 12:12 PM

re: the RIAA worries.

Publishers who have actually TRIED releasing ebooks in unprotected format and even cheap or older books / out of print books for free have found that it HELPS the sales (paper and/or e-book!) of ALL the authors works.

Examples:

www.baen.com/library/
(read the Prime Palaver articles)

See also Baen's webscriptions at www.webscriptions.net

www.fictionwise.com

There are a couple of others as well. The folks release in UNPROTECTED format (fictionwise has a few protected ones as well) and even release most NEW books as unprotected ebooks now.

PalmDigitalMedia (formerly Peanut Press) uses protected forms. This is why I stopped buying from them unless there is NO other way to purchase the book (which happens rarely.)

Really puts the lie to the MPAA and RIAA's stance. They don't have a single leg to stand on. See also www.janisian.com

If all else fails, see alt.binaries.e-book.* and alt.binaries.ebook.* on Usenet (if you own the book and if your ISP carries those groups; if not, there are Usenet services around who do, even free ones.)

I haven't read a paper book in a year or so. I use my NX-70V or my RC Rocket REB1100. Baen and Fictionwise support both.

asterisk

05-19-2003, 06:46 PM

space saver, you can only carry so many paper books in your pocket, but You can carry many more on a PDA

Unregistered

05-19-2003, 07:17 PM

overtime

JCandIL

05-19-2003, 08:35 PM

Thanks a lot for all your responses. I just may consider using ebooks. There are only 2 problems:

1. I read only self-improvement books, which through my first attempt at searching, I realize that these books are not really offered as ebooks.

2. I don't really carry my Clie with me all the time.

If anyone can recommend any good sites for self-improvement ebooks, please go ahead and do so.

Thanks!
Jeff

Joel

05-19-2003, 08:51 PM

More self-improvement ebooks can be found here:

Mobipocket:
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/Category.asp?CategoryID=83

Palm Digital Media:
http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/category.cgi?id=13

Fictionwise:
http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/SelfImprovementeBooks.htm

blinks

05-20-2003, 01:02 AM

way to tell him Joel, mr. selfimprovment needs to improve his searching skills, i, on the other hand need work on my spelling. improvement, never perfection.

MythoFactory

05-20-2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by blinks
Artifical intelligence is no match for
natural stupidity.

ROFL. :-D I like that one

icarus

05-20-2003, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by JCandIL
Thanks a lot for all your responses. I just may consider using ebooks. There are only 2 problems:

1. I read only self-improvement books, which through my first attempt at searching, I realize that these books are not really offered as ebooks.

2. I don't really carry my Clie with me all the time.

If anyone can recommend any good sites for self-improvement ebooks, please go ahead and do so.

Thanks!
Jeff

Hi Jeff

1. Me too. If you find some good sources, please let me know. BTW, one good way for self-improvement is reading biographies of good leaders. Some of them you'll find even for free.

2. Then change that. Make your PDA part of yourself. :)

PS: Whoever reads those threads and knows some good sources (English and German languages), please post them here. Thanks in advance.

kalashu

05-20-2003, 06:34 AM

I'm from Romania, Eastern Europe, I'm still loking for a CLIE, they are impossible to get here. They only have PALM, they're expensive and slow and they lack the style of SONY.
I'm a civil engineer and I need a lot of documents to carry with me, laptops don't work in the field 'cause they got a short battery life. I once have a Visor for a week borrowed from a friend, I could even check my mail in the field, I want a CLIE, but I cannot aford it. The best solution is a second hand T415, T615 would be great but such a tool will bakrupt me.
OK let's get back to e-books, I have generated on PC a lot of standards and design prescriptions and coordinate tables, anything I need because they allow fast searching when you need a particular piece of information. All these things can be packed into e-books simply, there's a free download application that allows you to make your own e-books.
MobyPocket Publisher, http://www.mobipocket.com has it, go there and get it if you need it. I found on the ftp of the University where I graduated from all the courses, great stuff if I need something to remember without searching through all the books.
In my opinion e-books is the way, tabletPCs will replace paperbooks and PDAs will extend them. Also the marriage between PDAs and cellphones will boost the use of e-books.
Time only will prove if paperback books will dissapear or they will survive, probably in "De Luxe" and "Princeps" editions. What time should do too is to pick up a format, they are just too many, like memory cards.
Until then "Verba Volant, Scripta Manent".

*YellowRose*

05-20-2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by JCandIL
Thanks a lot for all your responses. I just may consider using ebooks. There are only 2 problems:

1. I read only self-improvement books, which through my first attempt at searching, I realize that these books are not really offered as ebooks.

2. I don't really carry my Clie with me all the time.

If anyone can recommend any good sites for self-improvement ebooks, please go ahead and do so.

Thanks!
Jeff Okay ~ we differ somewhat on reading materials.  I, as a mom of 3, consider reading ANYTHING self improvement, even for me.  For example, when you read, regardless of genre, you're improving your vocabulary, your knowledge of grammar, you're expanding your imagination, you're actually USING your mind . . . as opposed to say, TV, where you're, well, you see what I mean . . .

And as far as not keeping your Clie with you . . . WHAT?!?!?!?!????!!!!!  JUST DO IT!   Mine would be useless if I could not use it as a repository of the daily minutia that threatens to consume us all . . . (I do, after all, have 3 kids):)

icarus

05-20-2003, 07:46 AM

Hi YellowRose

I love your postings. They are so straight forward, but always with this gentle touch.

Also your content is great. Good to have you online. :)

*YellowRose*

05-20-2003, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by icarus
BTW, one good way for self-improvement is reading biographies of good leaders. Thank you for the compliment!  ~ Have you read 'John Adams'?  It's available at PalmDigitalMedia.  It's a really good read about one of the founding fathers of the United States . . . be warned - it's HUGE!   (I'm a history buff, what can I say?)

Okay, here's a link to it: http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/book.cgi/0743218299?searchrank=59

Roni

05-20-2003, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by MythoFactory
I read exclusively and alternatively SF and Fantasy;?there's a lot of good books, but I never found a Tolkien e-book, nor a Frank Herbert one. The great classics are nowhere to find. 

i have to admit, you have a good taste...

*trying to hide all Herbert and Tolkien books under the bed before anyone sees them*

wellsjs

05-20-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by JCandIL
What are the advantages of using ebooks over normal paper books? I don't see any yet, so let me know why you read ebooks...When I tried putting "War and Peace" (the book) in my pocket, it tore my pants real bad! But aboard my T665C, it fits very nicely . . . in my new pants! :D

wellsjs

05-20-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by JCandIL
If anyone can recommend any good sites for self-improvement ebooks, please go ahead and do so.
:) www.asaisoft.com (http://www.asaisoft.com)

PPC

05-20-2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by MythoFactory
I spend 2 hours in train everyday to go to work, and I prefer to be late work than leave home without something to read ;-). E-books are great if you want to discover new authors.
One thing though: I read exclusively and alternatively SF and Fantasy;?there's a lot of good books, but I never found a Tolkien e-book, nor a Frank Herbert one. The great classics are nowhere to find. :( even recent best-sellers (Harry potter, the death gates series, etc...)

as for the rest I agree with the other members.
Oh, and I buy all my ebooks on PalmDigitalMedia. Don't need to carry your library, cheap, and PalmReader is THE BEST. Using Palm ebook studio you can even buy PDF books and convert them.

There was a link a few weeks ago for a freeware version of The Lord of the Rings over at PocketPCThoughts.com. If you do a search over there you are bound to find it.

I downloaded it in MS Reader format (does that work on Palm OS - probably not). They might have other formats as well.

Oh, I checked it out, the link points to www.sprinklerhead.com. Go to downloads and you will find the trilogy. (and The Hobbit as well for good measure).

madkins007

05-20-2003, 09:51 AM

Why I enjoy e-books (although not necessarily MORE than paper books):

1. Free e-books are incredibly free! Few paper books are. (Yeah, libraries, but I can KEEP an e-book and read it at leisure). This saves me a TON of money (especially since I already have the Internet and a PDA)

2. Reference. I can keep a TON of reference materials on one MS chip, so I can easily look up the most bizarre information (currently, I have historic documents, CIA World Book, dictionaries, Bibles, books on things like manners and first aid, and many others. All free, all legal, all helpful- and all quickly available!

3. Reading in the tub! Hey, I REALLY like this one. I can slip my Clie into a waterproof bag (I strongly recommend something stronger than a Zip-Lock bag!) and read books while lounging in the hot tub at the gym.

4. Reading in odd places. As has been mentioned, e-books are really handy to read during those brief periods that occur throughout the day- on the elevator, waiting rooms, on hold for a long time, in dark situations (like bed), etc. You also have some variety available- you are not stuck with whatever someone else left or you happen to have stuck in your bag.

4. Variety. I often find myself reading 2-4 books at once (I am a voracious reader- huge variety, averaging about 5 books a week), and with e-books, I can have something for every mood and situation available. I have a largish collection of poetry, humerous stories, sci-fi, classics, etc. on a MS just waiting for me!

RD100

05-20-2003, 10:56 AM

Lots of e-books can be obtained for free.

Two good places to get free e-books

www.memoware.com (http://www.memoware.com)

Project Gutenberg - see this thread for the link...

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14624

:D :D :D

alsa

05-20-2003, 11:39 AM

How come no one has said yet that the main advantage of e-books (for me, at least) is the fast dictionary lookup?

xyeta

05-20-2003, 11:47 AM

Considering the ebooks I am able to carry on MS, I'd need a laden mule to carry that much paper!

rob_squared

05-20-2003, 12:23 PM

OcellNuri

05-20-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by rob_squared

I will give you the secret to self help: stop looking to other people for it. That's not self-help, that's help.

Alright Mr. Carlin... :D

Tixx

05-20-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by JCandIL
I currently own an SJ-22, and I was wondering...

What are the advantages of using ebooks over normal paper books? I don't see any yet, so let me know why you read ebooks...

Thanks,
Jeff

Environmentally friendly

Size

Weight

Cost

Easy to carry...

ShellyBelly

05-20-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

Environmentally friendly

Size

Weight

Cost

Easy to carry...

Save the trees~LOL:p

;)

:D

ShellyBelly

05-20-2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by madkins007
Why I enjoy e-books (although not necessarily MORE than paper books):

1. Free e-books are incredibly free! Few paper books are. (Yeah, libraries, but I can KEEP an e-book and read it at leisure). This saves me a TON of money (especially since I already have the Internet and a PDA)

2. Reference. I can keep a TON of reference materials on one MS chip, so I can easily look up the most bizarre information (currently, I have historic documents, CIA World Book, dictionaries, Bibles, books on things like manners and first aid, and many others. All free, all legal, all helpful- and all quickly available!

3. Reading in the tub! Hey, I REALLY like this one. I can slip my Clie into a waterproof bag (I strongly recommend something stronger than a Zip-Lock bag!) and read books while lounging in the hot tub at the gym.

4. Reading in odd places. As has been mentioned, e-books are really handy to read during those brief periods that occur throughout the day- on the elevator, waiting rooms, on hold for a long time, in dark situations (like bed), etc. You also have some variety available- you are not stuck with whatever someone else left or you happen to have stuck in your bag.

4. Variety. I often find myself reading 2-4 books at once (I am a voracious reader- huge variety, averaging about 5 books a week), and with e-books, I can have something for every mood and situation available. I have a largish collection of poetry, humerous stories, sci-fi, classics, etc. on a MS just waiting for me!

1 & 2. I so agree with these:D

3. You don't find that the humidty effects your Clie??? I worry about that and what kind of bag ARE you using???:)

4. (the first 4:p) I am always on the run and this really helps me out with the books I am reading for leisure and the reference docs I carry with me.

4. (the second 4:D) I do the same thing and with them on my Clie I am ready for whatever mood strikes me:)

ShellyBelly

05-20-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by halosal
I read e-books when travelling, since it saves space and weight. At home I still prefer to read the very old-fashioned paper books. (Does anyone in this forum still remember what they look like?:D )

The Clie helps so much with traveling!!!

I get bored very easily and since I uaually travel with my kids who go to bed fairly early, I need things to entertain me...so.....

I load up some ebooks, some games, clip some websites that I want to read more at my leasure, and get some maps of where I am going.......

This saves me on bringing books to read (have to have a least 3), bringing games to play away the time, bringing paper and pens (they DO still exsist) to write friends in my alone time; also from getting lost:)

I have packing lists in there, can use WorldMate Pro to get the weather there...

Blah, blah, blah.....

Anyway, it DOES save a ton of room and although I worry about losing it or breaking it, it will never be far from my side:D

ShellyBelly

05-20-2003, 01:12 PM

Has anyone else found this site and used it???

http://www.libwise.com/servlet/mw;jsessionid=sTw-SzQjK2AQ2Z7Sght54mASHk0?action=view&template=login.htm

I use it and LOVE it:D

JCandIL

05-20-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by rob_squared

I will give you the secret to self help: stop looking to other people for it. That's not self-help, that's help.

Being that we are discussing through these message boards, it is difficult for me to ascertain the intention of your response.

If negative, I reply with:
I did not ask for self-help ebooks. I specifically mentioned self-improvement.

If positive:
That's a good line. Quite an interesting thought. :)

...hope it's the latter... :D

workerofwood

05-20-2003, 03:59 PM

I've been using Fictionwise for Palm ebooks.
I haven't bought a paper book in over a year, the last 2 best-sellers I wanted to read were out there in ebook form and less than 1/2 the price of the hardcover (my only other choice at the time).
At last count I've got over 30 books on the MS...and a subscription to the ebook version of Analog Magazine as well.

asterisk

05-20-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by kalashu
I'm from Romania, Eastern Europe

My great-grandfather emigrated to America from Romania, I still have cousins who live there:D

volcanopele

05-20-2003, 04:28 PM

I prefer ebooks over their paper version for several reasons. First, ebooks tend to cost less than their hardcover or paperback versions. Second, rather than ordering from Amazon and waiting for it to arrive, I can order a book from Palm Digital Media and have it on my Clie in minutes. Much faster service. Third, it fits into my system of only have to carry my clie with me to work or whereever I go. In one machine I have the games I like to play, the books I like to read, and the songs I like to hear. Having all these in one package makes it more likely that I will actually read the books that I buy.

Tixx

05-20-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by ShellyBelly

Save the trees~LOL:p

;)

:D

:)

volcanopele

05-20-2003, 04:37 PM

oh, and using ebooks does reduce the amount of clutter that I have, particularly paper clutter. This again fits in with using my Clie as a complete paper substitute. Which, *cough cough*, saves trees.

Tixx

05-20-2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by volcanopele
oh, and using ebooks does reduce the amount of clutter that I have, particularly paper clutter. This again fits in with using my Clie as a complete paper substitute. Which, *cough cough*, saves trees.

*cough cough*;)

rob_squared

05-20-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by JCandIL

Being that we are discussing through these message boards, it is difficult for me to ascertain the intention of your response.

If negative, I reply with:
I did not ask for self-help ebooks. I specifically mentioned self-improvement.

If positive:
That's a good line. Quite an interesting thought. :)

...hope it's the latter... :D

It was a Carlin quote, kinda paraphrased. I have no problem with self improvement books. Its the kind of people that you'd see on Penn and Teller's showtime show that I don't like.

*YellowRose*

05-20-2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by JCandIL
I did not ask for self-help ebooks. I specifically mentioned self-improvement. I'm curious . . . what's the difference?

JCandIL

05-20-2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
I'm curious . . . what's the difference?

To my knowledge, there is no difference at all. That was just the response if rob_squared was making an impudent remark rather than a joke. Since it was a joke, forget that help vs. improvement statement. ;)

Once again, thanks so much for all these responses. I have been doing some more searching and looking through the links provided, and I just may take a turn towards ebooks.

Next step:
Install the ebook reader! (kind of an important step)

*YellowRose*

05-20-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by JCandIL
Next step:
Install the ebook reader! (kind of an important step) Oooh! Oooh!  *waves hand*

TRY PALMREADER!!!!  :D

If you don't already have a preference, of course.  There's a free version and a pro version (which costs $10, I think) . . . it's awesome, and 4 out of 5 dentists rec...er...it's good!  :D  (It's also the only reader that can read encrypted books from PalmDigitalMedia)

If you want more info (and opinions) on it, I'm sure a search for "PalmReader" will bring up at least a month's worth of reading material.;)

Ike Lang

05-20-2003, 09:44 PM

Write your own.
_____________
Save space, say " No SAM, no CAM, no CLAM more RAM".
Imagine NX60's thickness cut in half!

Who Me?

05-21-2003, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by Ike Lang
Write your own.
_____________
Save space, say " No SAM, no CAM, no CLAM more RAM".
Imagine NX60's thickness cut in half!

Sounds like a T380 to me!

madkins007

05-21-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by ShellyBelly

3. You don't find that the humidty effects your Clie??? I worry about that and what kind of bag ARE you using???:) 

Humidity in the sealed bag should not be a problem as long as the Clie was dry, the bag was dry, and the ambient air was not too humid (ie, don't seal it in the sauna!) If you seal it in a relatively cool area, the relative humidity will actually drop as the air in the bag heats up (as long as the seal is good!)

I use a modified Zip-lock-type bag that is them slipped into a carrier. I got it off the Brigade Quartermaster's site (www.actiongear.com (http://www.actiongear.com)). Lots of scary stuff there, but this bag so far has worked great! Most of the time I don't even bother with the carrier pouch.

I have dropped the thing a couple times into the water, and not a drop has gotten in yet- not even any condensation showing up.

It is a lot of fun to relax in the hot tub and read a good story. Granted, I DO have to use a big font to overcome the effects of the water drops on the bag!

 

Try THIS with a paper book!

*YellowRose*

05-21-2003, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by madkins007
I have dropped the thing a couple times into the water, and not a drop has gotten in yet- not even any condensation showing up. See, just your statement "I have dropped the thing a couple times into the water," gives me the willies . . .NO WAY.  I'd rather spoil a $7 paperback than risk my $$$$$ PDA anywhere near water.  I know you feel yours is perfectly safe.  But NOTHING is perfect!  I'd be too afraid to enjoy the hottub . . .

I admit it.  I AM A WEENIE!  :)

icarus

05-21-2003, 02:33 PM

Hi madkins007

Your message did sound interesting. I checked out Brigade Quartermasters and found what you probably talked about. For everybody else, here is the link:

http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=22635&M5COPY%2Ectx=24439&M5%2Ectx=3475&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Travel%20Belt%20Packs%2C%20Small%20Pouches%2C%20Backpack%20Accessories&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=aloksak&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam :)

And there is another waterproof solution on this german site:

http://www.andres-it-systeme.de/public/palmcase/PALMCASE_Armor.htm

Gives me some thoughts as well.

BTW, YellowRose, check those things out and read the descriptions. Sounds pretty (water-) proof. ;)

icarus

05-21-2003, 02:46 PM

Hhmmm.

Tried now my links on the message. Looks like I can't get the Brigade Quartermasters to work. (Tried several ways. Even copying my stored link from favorits, doesn't work.)
Here is another attempt: 

Just go to www.actiongear.com (http://www.actiongear.com/) and search for the following:

SPLASHCADDY NECK PDA & ID CASE

This way at least works. (I tested it.)

Sorry for the above "bad" link. :o

NETO

05-21-2003, 03:13 PM

Cost,Cost,Cost,Cost and easy to carry around...you have everything in one machine,games,ebooks,calendar, a lot cheaper than buying all those hardcover expensive books....

cypherteck

05-21-2003, 04:59 PM

Convenience.
I now have 117 e-books on my MS, and do not have to find the next paper book or put the one I just finished somewhere while I read the next one.
I work in a bookstore and still purchase most of my books as e-books, they sometimes are released before the paper ones and I can get them cheaper.

madkins007

05-22-2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
See, just your statement "I have dropped the thing a couple times into the water," gives me the willies . . .NO WAY.  I'd rather spoil a $7 paperback than risk my $$$$$ PDA anywhere near water.  I know you feel yours is perfectly safe.  But NOTHING is perfect!  I'd be too afraid to enjoy the hottub . . .

I admit it.  I AM A WEENIE!  :)

LOL! I admit that for the first many, many months, I was using the bag as more of a splash guard than anything else- using my 'back-up' PDA and wiping it off when water got on the bag, but I have grown pretty confidant of the bag over time.

Besides, when I read, I am 99% of the time reading a library book (too cheap to buy all the books it would take to satisfy me!)

ICARUS- thanks for posting the links! It is hard for me to do that with my Internet set up here at work.