Resco Explorer v4.10 Beta

[janos]

In case anybody wants to help us with Beta testing...

The main new feature is the (optional) Firefox-style Tab-interface, i.e. you can have multiple live views at a time.

Other features include:
- optional touch scrolling (I know - kind of a toy)
- FTP improvements
- Centro-adjustments

Full change log (http://www.resco.net/palm/explorer/history.asp)

Download Explorer v4.10 (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_BETA.prc)

Any feedback is appreciated.

[scottl]

I'll bite :) - downloaded and on deck.

There's a feature I frequently wish RE had but I can't remember now. I'm going to play in it for a while and reply here when I rediscover it. After that I'll hit the beta.

[janos]

When the Tabs were switched off, Explorer crashed on exit. (Bug in reference counting.)

Sorry, please use this link (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_1_BETA.prc) for the correct version:


Best regards

[DickieD]

When the Tabs were switched off, Explorer crashed on exit. (Bug in reference counting.)

Sorry, please use this link (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_1_BETA.prc) for the correct version:

Best regards;)

(Typing this line since the post has to be at least 10 chars - thas a new one)

[sirian]

Wow, the tabs are a great addition!

The touch scroll is great, too, since I sometimes struggle to slide the very slim scroll bar. I think the drawback is that you can no longer drag files around folders (but not necessarily a loss, and with tabs files are managed better in my opinion).

I notice however that touch scrolling does not work on the folder tree portion, for both horizontal and vertical layouts.

[janos]

I notice however that touch scrolling does not work on the folder tree portion, for both horizontal and vertical layouts.

Let's see how the people accept it. So far it is implemented in the list only.

Drag can be done, but it is a bit tricky. We'll try to improve it.

[sirian]

Let's see how the people accept it. So far it is implemented in the list only.

Drag can be done, but it is a bit tricky. We'll try to improve it.


I see. Let me be the first one to say it's a great feature! Although I think a lot of people would find it unnecessary, I like it since it gives RE a more sans-stylus interface.

Great work on RE!

[icefireicefire]

great update! I love the tabs. One probelm i have is that the icon view is too small with my font size. I have a fon't size for the list view, but want another one for icon view.

Also, with those tabs, how about incorperating blazer into it ;)

[janos]

Could it be possible to have diferent fonts for icon view and lisrt vieew like if you use RE as launcher and you use tiny font for icons they are the same for all now and I woul prefer bigger for other stuff like card or contol panel.
Other thing to use RE as launcher could it be possible to have more than 4 columns for icons?
You are right, the font setup is not optimal. I did a few experiments and see that even 320x320 screen could accomodate 6x7 icons with the smallest font. We'll do some improvements here.

[migsacura]

Very impressive Resco Team! You are definatley breathing new life into the aging Palm platform. I would also enjoy some theme support or maybe even backgrounds? Just dreaming

[palmuse]

The tabs are a great addition!

I would like to see two possible enhancements to the tabs:

[1] Ability to lock tabs - I imagine being able to lock a tab at a user selected base directory (ex. Applications) which would allow forward nav to sub levels, but navigating back would stop at the base directory. This tab would always stay open unless unlocked and closed. This might fit as a long tap pop-up option on an open tab.

[2] Ability to open new directories/folders in a new tab - I see this as a long tap pop-up option on a directory/folder that would open the selected directory in a new tab.

The finger scrolling is nice, but in icon view (Applications) I get a lot of false selections.

One other enhancement I would like is the ability to add apps to the favs list (ex. Prefs). I usually have it hidden in my launcher and open it via RE when needed. Having it as a fav would be nice.

Thanks for your excellnet suite and ongoing development! RE is unmatched!

[scottl]

Nice update Jan.

I like the tabs feature - it's quite handy!

It would be nice if dragging a file/folder to another tab could activate that tab so we could drop the files in a sub-directory in the target tab.

It's great that you already offer the option of dragging a file/folder to the toolbar to act upon it, but I usually have the Toolbar down for maximum screen real estate. Do you think you could modify behavior so if an object is dragged to the bottom of the display (with the Toolbar down/deactivated) the Toolbar would pop up so we could drop on it?

I also remembered what I have wanted to ask for earlier. It's more of a cosmetic change and you may have it configured as you do for a reason, but I'll ask for the heck of it. When Copying a file using the context menu, the "Copy To..." screen pops up and the "Favorites" link is under/within the "Device" header. When I see this, my (silly old brain) wants to see "Favorites" at the same level as "Device" and "Network", not as a sub-item of "Device. No offense taken if you think my train of thought is mixed up :cool:, just tell me it's just how you want it.

Ability to open new directories/folders in a new tab - I see this as a long tap pop-up option on a directory/folder that would open the selected directory in a new tab.Seconded. That's one of the requests I came here to type in just now - and exactly how I would like to see it behave.

Again, thanks for the new version. http://www.1src.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Supertrucker]

I second scottl's request, all of them!

Oh, I know this is probably a pie in the sky dream, but sure would be nice if it could support gzip, rar and maybe a few other compression methods :) And while you were at it, you could add a "Get Beer" button, so that by simply pressing a button, the device would go to my fridge, grab me a beer, and bring it back to me.


...gas just hit a new record here in town, here's how to get a discount, click here (http://clickme.50webs.org/).

ST

[bluefishCFC]

Do the tabs stay in place across sessions? By that I mean, if I choose the tabs I want, will they always be visible when starting up RE?

Andy

[icefireicefire]

Yes, tabs stay :)

[janos]

Very impressive Resco Team! You are definatley breathing new life into the aging Palm platform. I would also enjoy some theme support or maybe even backgrounds? Just dreaming
Not that it could not be done - I am rather hesitating to introduce things that would have large impact on the rendering speed and on the application size. Plus I am not sure if this feature would have any impact on the Explorer popularity.

[janos]

[1] Ability to lock tabs
It works this way - you just need to rename the tab.

[2] Ability to open new directories/folders in a new tab - I see this as a long tap pop-up option on a directory/folder that would open the selected directory in a new tab.
Rather complex implementation, I don't know...

The finger scrolling is nice, but in icon view (Applications) I get a lot of false selections.
Will look at it yet.

One other enhancement I would like is the ability to add apps to the favs list (ex. Prefs).
Maybe, depends on the work involved. We'll look at it.

Thanks for your excellnet suite and ongoing development!
Thanks, but at the end it will be the users who decide how much time can we afford to put into RE develpment.

[palmuse]

Jano~ Thanks for the tip on locking the tab and your consideration.

[janos]

It would be nice if dragging a file/folder to another tab could activate that tab so we could drop the files in a sub-directory in the target tab.
...
Do you think you could modify behavior so if an object is dragged to the bottom of the display (with the Toolbar down/deactivated) the Toolbar would pop up so we could drop on it?
Sorry, too difficult.

Copy To... wants to see "Favorites" at the same level as "Device" and "Network"
Logical request and relatively easy. We'll do that.

[janos]

Oh, I know this is probably a pie in the sky dream, but sure would be nice if it could support gzip, rar and maybe a few other compression methods :)
gzip is manageable, but would probably not pay off.
rar is a) difficult, b) I am not even sure that it can be done on Palm OS:
Rar v1 can be done (we even tested the implementation), but covers a small fraction of rar archives available on the web.
Rar v2 is extremaly memory-demanding, probably more than the Palm OS platform allows.

And while you were at it, you could add a "Get Beer" button, so that by simply pressing a button, the device would go to my fridge, grab me a beer, and bring it back to me. :)

[janos]

Do the tabs stay in place across sessions? By that I mean, if I choose the tabs I want, will they always be visible when starting up RE?
Yes, it is designed this way.

[cmlx]

Hi janos,

1, do you add shortcut for "Install to RAM"? for example "R" ("I" is for "Info").
2, and save/unsave prefs can be sorted by name, size, ... can you add a new sort way, by index?

3, about rescobackup+, now it can compare save prefs difference, do you add the comparison of unsave prefs difference?

Thanks

[OLD_HATCH]

I havent tested this beta yet but have a question about a slight issue with the pre beta 4.01.

When the option to dim screen on long transfers is checked it turns on the keyboard lights if they were on.

I use Power hero to turn them off and save battery power and of course the dimming the screen option in explorer save some juice also but after the transfer is done it turns on the keyguard lights. Consequently I have to toggle they keyboard lights twice to get them to turn off again.

I have used power hereo, keylights da and keyshades hack and resco has this effect in all.

Would that be an easy fix?

[DickieD]

I havent tested this beta yet but have a question about a slight issue with the pre beta 4.01.

When the option to dim screen on long transfers is checked it turns on the keyboard lights if they were on.

I use Power hero to turn them off and save battery power and of course the dimming the screen option in explorer save some juice also but after the transfer is done it turns on the keyguard lights. Consequently I have to toggle they keyboard lights twice to get them to turn off again.

I have used power hereo, keylights da and keyshades hack and resco has this effect in all.

Would that be an easy fix?Not a Resco thing at all, o_h - ever since the second firmware release of the 650, palm has linked the keyboard light and backlight. So n e time the backlight brightness changes, the keyboard lights will adjust to them. Since the phone is made to have the keyboard lights on at ALL times (another stoopid downgrade from the 600, IMNSVHBPO), it just assumes that since they were already on, all it's really doing is changing the brightness.

[sirian]

[2] Ability to open new directories/folders in a new tab - I see this as a long tap pop-up option on a directory/folder that would open the selected directory in a new tab.


Rather complex implementation, I don't know...


I second this suggestion of palmuse. This would add alot of functionality to the tab feature.

[bh77a]

I'd love the option to skin the top and bottom bars. I see no need to add backgrounds to the main windows, as this could easily interfere with the text. Hope that you consider it for the future.

[janos]

Please try the next version that fullfils quite a few wishes from this discussion.

Download new version (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_2_BETA.prc)

The news:


Launcher: Text font customizable. (Select Font dialog)
Launcher: Small icons mode (General Options) fits more icons on the screen.
In the extreme case (small icons + smallest font) you can get 42 apps onto one Treo screen
Favorites allow for applications shortcuts.
Folder context menu has the option New Tab (Opens the folder in a new Tab)
Receiving files into tabbed interface works correctly
Copy To dialog lists Favorites as the top-level node

[Gwidion]

Thanks, that look great. You did again a good job!
A Questions:
1. Tab Dialog is only in right "window" possible and it doesn't function for RAM, ROM and Card itself, only with folders. Will you change this?

[ww1900]

Great job.

Supports rename files and folders in ftp bluetooh?

You could use include a list of files for download from http?

And support for UTF-8? folders and files do not show the correct name from the network of my Linux

Thanks.

[chulio_martinez]

Great job.

Supports rename files and folders in ftp bluetooh?

You could use include a list of files for download from http?

And support for UTF-8? folders and files do not show the correct name from the network of my Linux

Thanks.

Hi,

Please provide more information:
- type of network (Windows Shares, FTP, Bluetooth)
- type of server
- device language (and encoding), do you use Piloc, or similar?


The general text problem is that PalmOS devices do not use unicode (neither UTF16 (windows) nor UTF8).

Instead text uses a specific encoding (e.g. western, central european etc.). This depends on the actual device language, and can be changed using Piloc or similar software.

While windows networking and Bluetooth FTP do use unicode, we are translating the file names from devices native encoding to unicode and vice versa.

The actual problem is that this translation breaks down for some chars that cannot be represented in the device native encoding.

Btw. there is no support for unicode in normal ftp.

With best regards,
Miro

[sirian]

Thanks, that look great. You did again a good job!
A Questions:
1. Tab Dialog is only in right "window" possible and it doesn't function for RAM, ROM and Card itself, only with folders. Will you change this?

If I'm not mistaken, the new features are not (yet) implemented in the folder tree window. (finger scrolling also does not function on the tree window).

[OLD_HATCH]

Rar v2 is extremaly memory-demanding, probably more than the Palm OS platform allows.

:)


Excuse my ignorance but how so? Not doubting anything you say just would e nice to work with rar files along with zip on Treos.

[palmuse]

Please try the next version that fullfils quite a few wishes from this discussion.

Download new version (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_2_BETA.prc)


Launcher: Text font customizable. ~Excellent!
Launcher: Small icons mode (General Options) fits more icons on the screen. ~Excellent! I didn't know I needed this. I like it.
Favorites allow for applications shortcuts. ~Excellent! Very cool!
Folder context menu has the option New Tab ~Excellent! I second the request for this option at the "root" level if reasonablly feasible.
Receiving files into tabbed interface works correctly ~Excellent!
Copy To dialog lists Favorites as the top-level node ~Excellent! I like it.


Thanks! Looks great so far!

[janos]

Excuse my ignorance but how so? Not doubting anything you say just would e nice to work with rar files along with zip on Treos.
I do not remember the details as it was approx. 2 years ago when we investigated rar. Rar has basically 2 major versions, whereby rar v2 achieves better results at the cost of huge memory consumption. (Read huge with respect to the PDA memory - PC's handle it with ease, of course.)

We implemented rar v1 and then found that among randomly selected rar downloads a vast majority use rar v2.

Public rar v2 algorithm cannot run on most Palm OS PDA's. I know there is MobileRar for Palm OS, but when we tested it (a few months ago), it also could not handle rar v2. Such implementation is meaningless in my opinion.

[cyberdude]

Excuse me if this has been covered or if I am missing something obvious. I keep looking for the tabs mentioned here and can't find anything in explorer that has tabs. I see categories which are nice, but nothing resembling the tabs in say LauncherX or Zlauncher.

I've used LX as my launcher since it came out, but would be open to trying RE as my launcher if it actually had tabs which could have both card items and RAM items at the same time. Also I get 11 tabs across on my LX setup in portrait view.

[sirian]

Excuse me if this has been covered or if I am missing something obvious. I keep looking for the tabs mentioned here and can't find anything in explorer that has tabs. I see categories which are nice, but nothing resembling the tabs in say LauncherX or Zlauncher.

I've used LX as my launcher since it came out, but would be open to trying RE as my launcher if it actually had tabs which could have both card items and RAM items at the same time. Also I get 11 tabs across on my LX setup in portrait view.


You enable the Tabs in the General Options.

I think the way Tabs function in RE is different from the way tabs function in LX or ZL.

In RE you use tabs so you can have, so to speak, multiple folders open.

[scottl]

Additions all work great! I have another request for you to ponder. There are times when I'm in RE and I want to create a new backup set for use in Resco Backup.

The Backup function in RE defaults to ALL files selected. Could it start with selected files if files were selected when the backup function was called?

Could any backups created in RE be added to the RscBackup Project list? Then they could be further enhanced for later use.

I found that RE backups go to Card/PALM/BackupE. That's a different directory than RscBackup uses. If one of these two apps could point to an alternate directory for the repository, could they read each others backups?

Perhaps your goal is/was backup isolation... It does make it easy to have quick task related backups when in RE and system/automated tasks in RscBackup.

Sorry, this is getting long due to my thinking out loud. :o I'll stopfornow.

[sirian]

A small request.

Would it be possible to "thicken" the scroll bar? Or, at least add an option for it?

[I think I'm the only one who's having problems using the scrollbar]

[cyberdude]

Has multiselect been changed? When tabs are enabled I don't see the multiselect option (up arrow) and when I select multiselect from the menu while tabs enabled it still doesn't work. I use multiselect quite a bit and would hate to see it hobbled like this in tab mode.

[janos]

Has multiselect been changed? When tabs are enabled I don't see the multiselect option (up arrow) and when I select multiselect from the menu while tabs enabled it still doesn't work.
Absolutely no change. The shift arrow is visible everywhere apart from the launcher views. (As it always used to be.) If you see something else, then it must be our bug. I just wonder that nobody noticed it so far.

Can you give me more details?

[janos]

Some details:
1-missing filter by extensions example DAcc for DA's
2-filter don't stick in one tab & are apply to all tabs
Ok, will look what can be done.

[janos]

A small request.

Would it be possible to "thicken" the scroll bar? Or, at least add an option for it?
Well, you are for sure not the only one, but it is not a small thing as we would have to override some system services and do other adjustments. I am sorry :(

[cyberdude]

@Janos
about the multiselect tool - it may be I've just never seen it before, because like enotar I never used applications view/launcher view before, I've used strictly as a file manager for my card.

[technical1]

Hi All,

I would like to test/play w/this beta, but even tho the filename says it is the beta file, the version number comes back as 4.02 & I don't see anything in Options->View about tabs. Only the following checkboxes: Start in Fullscrn, Scrlbars on left, Verti. Layout, Use lg icons files, Use lg icons apps, show addr bar, show mem indicator....

So please tell me what I should do, either where to find the right beta file, or how to set up tabs.... I had an idea b4 about having dual panes showing...

TIA, technical1

[janos]

The Backup function in RE defaults to ALL files selected. Could it start with selected files if files were selected when the backup function was called?
I'll check how much work is involved.

Could any backups created in RE be added to the RscBackup Project list? Then they could be further enhanced for later use.
Interesting idea, but I am not even sure that it would work correctly. The directory location is not the only obstacle. RB uses different clustering, has project file, log etc. And the differences may grow up in the future.

[cyberdude]

Hi All,

I would like to test/play w/this beta, but even tho the filename says it is the beta file, the version number comes back as 4.02 & I don't see anything in Options->View about tabs. Only the following checkboxes: Start in Fullscrn, Scrlbars on left, Verti. Layout, Use lg icons files, Use lg icons apps, show addr bar, show mem indicator....

So please tell me what I should do, either where to find the right beta file, or how to set up tabs.... I had an idea b4 about having dual panes showing...

TIA, technical1
The link is in post 28 in this thread or
this (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_2_BETA.prc) downloads the 4.10.2 beta from the Resco site. The tabs option is located in Menu-> options -> general -> view tab -> look for the tabs checkbox (I had trouble finding this as well).

[janos]

I would like to test/play w/this beta, but even tho the filename says it is the beta file, the version number comes back as 4.02 & I don't see anything in Options->View about tabs. Only the following checkboxes: Start in Fullscrn, Scrlbars on left, Verti. Layout, Use lg icons files, Use lg icons apps, show addr bar, show mem indicator....
You must have installed wrong file. The About box says v4.10.2, same as the Palm launcher.

How did you install the file? When you for example use Explorer itself to copy Explorer update from network, card etc., then a strange thing happens:

Old Explorer DB is renamed to something like RExpnnn and the new Explorer is installed to RAM. What should follow is the deletion of the renamed DB, but this fails. (Because this DB is running.) The result is 2 Explorer copies in RAM and the launcher will sooner or later show both of them. To solve this problem you must launch the correct one and delete RExp* DB manually.

I don't know if this happened...

[technical1]

Janos & CD, thanks for your input.

I already got benefit fm being willing to test this beta, b/c I found out that there was some sort of corruption, or older version of Explorer stuck in ram... or an old pref, but that was taken care of by Northglide's Cleanup... (I did get this b4 seeing what you wrote Janos, but you expressed it better, & you knew better.... I DID install fm SD card etc....

I used another ...gasp... file mgr tool, deleted all Explorer files in RAM, & on SD & killed off old prefs & installed fm SD via other file mgr & voila! I'm now up to date w/the beta.... will backup my ram to SD,

Sorry I didn't twig on to this before taking your time w/my prev post, but now I can sink my teeth into the new beta.... Janos, thanks!, a long time ago I asked for dual display for RAM & SD & w/this TAB feature, you have taken it even further.... great job...

[sirian]

Well, you are for sure not the only one, but it is not a small thing as we would have to override some system services and do other adjustments. I am sorry :(

I see. The native scrollbar can be too slim even for a stylus sometimes, isn't it?

Hehe, sorry for asking like it was easy. :o I thought it was a minor thing that could easily be remedied.

Well, I hope finger-scrolling gets implemented in the final release. :)

All the currently implemented new features are working great, RE will have a new level of functionality once the features also become functional in the folder tree window. :D

[janos]

The Backup function in RE defaults to ALL files selected. Could it start with selected files if files were selected when the backup function was called?
I even started the coding, but then realized that the selection is permanent. (Kind of Resco Backup project.) Overriding the stored selection is rather dangerous, hence we shall not do it. :(

[ww1900]

OS: Ubuntu 8.04.1
UTF-8
SAMBA and FTP

Faild with "ñ"

[OLD_HATCH]

In the previous version 4.01 when you open explorer to receive unknown file types via bluetooth etc that Palm doesnt accept a window always comes up saying this file type isnt supported which you have to hit ok before explorer takes over. Is there a way for explorer to take presidense when open insted of the default Palm OS interupting?

ie receiving photos videos and it automaticly opening up in pics and videos?



or at the very least keep the Palm os from telling you this file type is not supported and having to ok a window before you can choose where to put the file?

[janos]

There are just a few new strings and pdassi lost the translator.

The most important strings:

FORM ID FormGeneralOptions
CHECKBOX "Touch Scrolling (iPhone-like)"
CHECKBOX "Show Tabs"
LABEL "Next Tab:"

#define _T_EditLabel "Tab Options"
#define _T_CloseTab "Close Tab"
#define _T_CustomTabLabel "Tab with custom label is locked to its folder."
"Custom Tab Label:"
#define _T_NewTab "New Tab"
#define _T_SelectApp "Select an Application"
#define _F_AppNotFound "Application %s not found"
#define _T_AskCloseTab "Close Tab?"


Less important stuff. (It can remain English in the worst case.)

STRING ID STR_TIP_LAST
"Explorer allows multiple views - called Tabs."
"- Use General Options to allow Tabs and to define the Tab shortcut."
"- Add/remove Tabs using +/- icons on the Tab-bar."
"- Use Tab context menu (long-tap the Tab-bar) to rename a Tab."
"- You can drag file(s) onto the Tab-bar."

STRING ID FtpEditFormHelp
"/Pfad= remote root relative to ftp root"
"//Pfad= absolute remote root"


Here is what we tried so far:

#define _T_EditLabel "Opciones pestaña"
#define _T_CloseTab "Cerrar pestaña"
#define _T_CustomTabLabel "Pestaña con personalizada nombre/etiqueta está bloqueado"
"Pestaña personalizada etiqueta:"
#define _T_NewTab "Nueva pestaña"
#define _T_SelectApp "Seleccione una aplicación"
#define _F_AppNotFound "Aplicación %s no encontrada"
#define _T_AskCloseTab "Cerrar pestaña"


Thanks in advance.

[chulio_martinez]

OS: Ubuntu 8.04.1
UTF-8
SAMBA and FTP

Faild with "ñ"


Are you able to input "ñ" on your device?
If no then you should install Piloc or some similar software that allows you to do so.

(Some Palm devices support Spanish and other European languages but only after a hard reset. But I don't know about treos/centros in US etc.)

With a german device I have no problems with Samba serving files with "ßüöä" chars etc.

With FTP there is no unicode support in Explorer, so you have to
a) make sure you only use ASCII
b) make sure that both your Palm Device and your ftp server use the same encoding.

With best regards,
Miro

[thierry2064]

Is there a place where you can buy Resco Explorer through Paypal ? I do not like to give my credit card number to online shops, so I have chosen paypal because I had to pick them, ebaying.

[wozofoz]

I love the Tabs :) but to be honest, I don't think I am using them for the reason you meant and in my efforts to test the Tab feature I haven't found their true value.
I guess I'm just not a power user ;)

Anyway, for me they are a very convenient way to have my RE Favorites onscreen at all times and so I request the following:

• User designated, amount of Rows of Tabs, one is not enough.
• User designated, amount of Tabs per Row, 3 > 4 is best to have a name with meaning.
• Ability to put the Tabs on the bottom of the screen for easy selection with my thumbnail. Maybe it's just me but I use my thumbnail for most onscreen tapping even website page# selection in Blazer.

I know I am basically asking for ZLauncher type Tabs but it would be handy :)

Finger Scrolling is an ok idea but I think it depends a lot on your ScreenProtector sensitivity, I was going to report it didn't work until I found pushing really hard worked (my Stylus input works fine)
Again, I use my thumbnail to drag the ScrollBar so I will pass on FingerScroll.
Have you checked out the PsMemo (jove21.com/palm/palmware/psmemo/?ex-lang=en) wide ScrollBar
Menu > Options > Preferences > Misc > Enable Finger Operation

Installing RE updates using MyInstall (pruss.mobi/dl) by Alex Pruss works perfectly (of course ;) )

Great work and thanks for your continued efforts :)

All the best, woz of oz

[janos]

Is there a place where you can buy Resco Explorer through Paypal ? I do not like to give my credit card number to online shops, so I have chosen paypal because I had to pick them, ebaying.
AFAIK Mobihand should support Paypal, but that's all I know. Handango does not.

[janos]

BTW, I just noted that Palm OS Explorer received Handango Champion Award in the category Best Evolution/Invention. A very good message for us.

[sirian]

BTW, I just noted that Palm OS Explorer received Handango Champion Award in the category Best Evolution/Invention. A very good message for us.

Congrats! RE is indeed a great app, and you guys well deserve the recognition.

[scottl]

http://www.1src.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Congrat's on the award Jan and Resco (et al)! This is well deserved. http://www.1src.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Have you checked out the PsMemo wide ScrollBarI was going to mention that, but figured there was enough feature requests going on, but since you mentioned it... Seconded! I wish someone would write a hack that made all scrollbars act that way.

Installing RE updates using MyInstall by Alex Pruss works perfectlyNice of you to mention that for those that aren't aware of this mandy little app. That's primarily what I use MyInstall for - my RE installer. I used to use it for most all installs, but now I just copy apps to RAM in RE.

[FerdFerd]

Installing RE updates using MyInstall (http://pruss.mobi/dl) by Alex Pruss works perfectly (of course ;) )Don't forget MyInstall's cousin, AutoInstall. It installs the application in the MyInstall directory automatically when the SD card is inserted. I believe it is included in the same archive as MyInstall.

[sirian]

I wish someone would write a hack that made all scrollbars act that way.

Any way to thicken the scroll bars would certainly be a big "up" to the interface of any app.

Making it a "global" setting would be incredible.

[cyberdude]

Some of the skins in skinui seem to have thicker scrollbars than others, but not that much thicker.

[scottl]

Due to the graphic mode of RE, I completely disable SkinUI for this app. It does help for other apps though. I don't generally keep a SkinUI skin with thin scrollbars because that's one of the reasons I first bought SkinUI.

[janos]

Please try this link. (http://resco.net/palm/explorer/downloads/RescoExplorer_4_10_3_BETA.prc)

It is stil BETA, but I consider it ready for the final release.

Concerning the scrollbars we implementred a compromise: The sensitive area is doubled without changing the scrollbar appearance.

'New Tab' context menu option is allowed also for root folders.

Filter works on the per-Tab basis - similarly to the multiselection.

Plus some less important changes.

[cyberdude]

Due to the graphic mode of RE, I completely disable SkinUI for this app. It does help for other apps though. I don't generally keep a SkinUI skin with thin scrollbars because that's one of the reasons I first bought SkinUI.
Although RE doesn't need it, I've never disabled skinui in RE and never had problems either.

[ww1900]

Are you able to input "ñ" on your device?
If no then you should install Piloc or some similar software that allows you to do so.

(Some Palm devices support Spanish and other European languages but only after a hard reset. But I don't know about treos/centros in US etc.)

With a german device I have no problems with Samba serving files with "ßüöä" chars etc.

With FTP there is no unicode support in Explorer, so you have to
a) make sure you only use ASCII
b) make sure that both your Palm Device and your ftp server use the same encoding.

With best regards,
Miro

SAMBA solved but not with FTP. I think the problem is the FTP server.

[ww1900]

Translation to Spanish

FORM ID FormGeneralOptions
CHECKBOX "Touch Scrolling (iPhone-like)" -> "Desplazamiento Táctil (al estilo IPhone)"
CHECKBOX "Show Tabs" -> "Usar Pestañas" or "Mostrar Pestañas"
LABEL "Next Tab:" -> "Pestaña siguiente"

#define _T_EditLabel "Tab Options" -> "Opciones de Pestaña"
#define _T_CloseTab "Close Tab" -> "Cerrar Pestaña"
#define _T_CustomTabLabel "Tab with custom label is locked to its folder." -> "La Pestaña personalizada es asignada a esta carpeta" or "La Pestaña personalizada se fijará a esta carpeta"
"Custom Tab Label:" -> "Personalizar Nombre de Pestaña" or "Cambiar nombre de Pestaña"
#define _T_NewTab "New Tab" -> "nueva Pestaña"
#define _T_SelectApp "Select an Application" -> "Selecciona una aplicación"
#define _F_AppNotFound "Application %s not found" -> "La aplicación %s no encontrada"
#define _T_AskCloseTab "Close Tab?" -> "¿Cerrar Pestaña?

[janos]

Translation to Spanish
Muchas Gracias :)

[ww1900]

Translation to Spanish

STRING ID STR_TIP_LAST
"Explorer allows multiple views - called Tabs." -> "Explorer permite vistas múltiples - llamadas Pestañas"
"- Use General Options to allow Tabs and to define the Tab shortcut." -> "- Usa Opciones Generales para usar Pestañas y definir el atajo de Pestaña"
"- Add/remove Tabs using +/- icons on the Tab-bar." - > "Añadir/quitar Pestañas usando los iconos +/- en la barra de Pestañas"
"- Use Tab context menu (long-tap the Tab-bar) to rename a Tab." - > "Usa el menú contextual de la Pestaña (manténla presionada) para renombrar la Pestaña"
"- You can drag file(s) onto the Tab-bar." -> Puedes arrastrar un fichero/s hasta una pestaña"

[ww1900]

Muchas Gracias :)


Thank you for your work. It is one of my essential applications

[migsacura]

Wow ! What an incredible update. I have one request, it would be great if the time displayed on Explorer, had the option for am/pm, military time is a bit hard to get used too here in north america

[wozofoz]

This may cause some confusion.

Latest version shows 4.10.3 in RE About screen but in Palm Launcher Info and ZLauncher Info it shows up as 4.10.2

All the best, woz of oz

[janos]

Save filter don't work
If I select it use 2 diferent filters on 2 tabs exit RE relaunch filter are not apply after relaunch;have to do it manualy
It works same way as the multi-selection - within one run only. We haven't programmed permanent storage, sorry.

[ww1900]

I,m sorry


"Rectification"

ERROR
"- Use Tab context menu (long-tap the Tab-bar) to rename a Tab." - > "Usa el menú contextual de la Pestaña (manténla presionada) para renombrar la Pestaña"

CORRECT
"- Use Tab context menu (long-tap the Tab-bar) to rename a Tab." - > "Usa el menú contextual de la Pestaña (mantenla presionada) para renombrar la Pestaña"

[janos]

I,m sorry - "Rectification"
JIT translation :)
I was just in process of preparation of the ES version.

Thank you again.

[palmuse]

Thanks for the new updaes!

I had one thought. Is it possible to add a checkbox to turn off the "Close Tab?" confirm to the “Confirms" menu option?

[janos]

Is it possible to add a checkbox to turn off the "Close Tab?" confirm to the “Confirms" menu option?
You are right, of course. But meanwhile the version became official, hence we shall wait a bit. Sorry.

[tosbsas]

is the offical version the same as 4.10 beta3??

Ruben

[palmuse]

You are right, of course. But meanwhile the version became official, hence we shall wait a bit. Sorry.

No big deal. I should have thought of it earlier.

[cmlx]

janos,

Do you have plan to release the new version without backup function?

[ww1900]

Hi janos,

Can you send me the rest of labels / text to translate?
We can improve it.

ww1900
A user very happy with Resco Explorer

[janos]

Can you send me the rest of labels / text to translate?
We can improve it.
With pleasure, just give the e-mail account, please. (Your 1src e-mail is blocked.)

Alternatively contact me through palm@resco-net.com.

Thanks

[janos]

Do you have plan to release the new version without backup function?
Yes, just wait a bit. We still want to publish one drawing fix and take the occasion to fullfil some more wishes.

[cyberdude]

Is there any chance you can include a change to the copy/move routines? I noticed in testing of moving a lot of files that I had to respond yes to each error encountered (yes skip this file and continue). I would love it if there was a "Yes to all" option that logged the errors instead.

[hk3ctj]

It seems to me that there is a problem with the Explorer installed in the TX RAM and the Explorer installed in the TX Card.
I'll explain more in detail:
After updated the RAM version to the latest v4.10.3 I realized that the Explorer residing in Card (PALM\Launcher folder) were the older v4.01.3 or something so.
Therefore, using the same Explorer I copied the RAM version to the Card overwiriting the Card v4.01 with the newer v4.10 from RAM.
After that and when I make Tap on the Icon of the Card version in order to test the copied application, this message overcomes:
A newer version of this application already exists on the device. Do you want to replace it?
But sure (I made the test: the older Card version overwrote the newer RAM version!) the RAM version is NEWER than the Card version. Using the same Explorer capabilities (Info), I found this information:
RAM VERSION v4.10.3 Size 504k
CARD VERSION v41003 Size 504k (With NO dots!)
Is there a conflict or confusion for this reason and possibly it causes the wrong information?
I'll appreciate if somebody can make the same test.

[wozofoz]

I keep a copy of RE in Card/Launcher as well.
After updating the RAM version using MyInstall (pruss.mobi/dl) I use the standard Palm 'Copy to Card'
Launcher > Menu > Copy
and it updates the card version ok.

I don't think it's a good idea to copy RE with RE, it sounds very confusing to me and maybe it's confusing to RE as well :)

All the best, woz of oz

[hk3ctj]

[QUOTE=wozofoz]I keep a copy of RE in Card/Launcher as well.
After updating the RAM version using MyInstall (pruss.mobi/dl) I use the standard Palm 'Copy to Card'
Launcher > Menu > Copy and it updates the card version ok.

I don't think it's a good idea to copy RE with RE, it sounds very confusing to me and maybe it's confusing to RE as well :)
>...>
Wozofoz: Thank you for the note.
The issue seems replicable IF you have the RE v4.01 in Card (\PALM\Launcher) AND the RE v4.10.3 in RAM.
At least those were the working conditions when I tried to invoke the version residing in the Card (v4.01) in order to verify its version...
My goal was to have the same version in RAM and Card. In order to verify which version I had in Card I invoked the RE from its Icon in Card using the Palm OS Launcher. I'm not sure if you had an older RE version previously installed in your Card and if you tried to run that older version from Card while a newer version was in RAM.

[wozofoz]

A newer version of this application already exists on the device. Do you want to replace it?
I read this as saying
"Are you sure you want to replace the new version that is on the Device with the old version that is on the Card"

But sure (I made the test: the older Card version overwrote the newer RAM version!)
and so when you selected Yes, it did overwrite the new Device version with the old Card version.

Whenever you use RE to launch an app from the card (by Tapping) it copies that app to RAM (the Device) and then deletes it when you exit the app.
If there is already a copy of the app in RAM then you will always get the above message.
"A newer version of this application already exists on the device. Do you want to replace it?"

Or if both copies are the same you will get a message something like

"A version of this application already exists on the device. Do you want to use it"

To check the version# of RE on the card, select (hi-light) RE in Card/Palm/Launcher and Tap the i 'Info' button on the bottom ToolBar, this will give you the version#
Personally, when I want to check the version# of RE on the card, I always use the standard Palm info
Launcher > Menu > Info > Card

I hope I am correctly understanding what you are saying :)

All the best, woz of oz

[wozofoz]

Sorry, I just realised you used the Palm Launcher to launch RE from the card but I don't think it makes any difference to the end result.

Palm Launcher will still want to copy RE to the Device and so you will still get the new version being overwritten by the old version.

All the best, woz of oz

[janos]

Is there any chance you can include a change to the copy/move routines? I noticed in testing of moving a lot of files that I had to respond yes to each error encountered (yes skip this file and continue). I would love it if there was a "Yes to all" option that logged the errors instead.
I don't want to open this part as it is pretty complex, but it will stay as the tip for future release.

[janos]

Can you send me the rest of labels / text to translate?
We can improve it.
I did not get the e-mail account. Never mind, but please one more string:
"Launcher: 'All' includes Card apps"

This will be put into the options to enable simultaneous display of RAM+card apps.

Thanks

[janos]

I keep a copy of RE in Card/Launcher as well.
After updating the RAM version using MyInstall (pruss.mobi/dl) I use the standard Palm 'Copy to Card'
Launcher > Menu > Copy
and it updates the card version ok.

I don't think it's a good idea to copy RE with RE, it sounds very confusing to me and maybe it's confusing to RE as well :)

It is a problem. Launched app is opened and as such cannot be overwritten by any means.

Here is what happens when you install Explorer.prc into the RAM from within Explorer itself.

1. Explorer renames RescoExplorer database to some RExpxxx. (Rename can be done. Note that the internal DB name that is written in the DB header remains as before - Explorer.)
2. RescoExplorer is copied into the RAM.
3. The trial to delete RExpxxx fails.

The result:
You have 2 Explorers in the RAM and sooner or later the launcher will show 2 Explorer icons.

The outcome:
You have to start the correct Explorer (no big deal - in the worst case the 2nd trial will do it) and delete the file RExpxxx. ('xxx' is some number.)

Second remark
Launcher keeps the items such as the app icon and the DB version in its cache. Bypassing launcher when installing an app update to the card may lead to the situation that the launcher remembers the old version. This will be sooner or later auto-corrected, but meanwhile you can get false version warnings. (That the RAM version is newer, although it is not.)

[ww1900]

I did not get the e-mail account. Never mind, but please one more string:
"Launcher: 'All' includes Card apps"

This will be put into the options to enable simultaneous display of RAM+card apps.

Thanks


You have an email

[Supertrucker]

Does the blue progress bar not appear for anyone else besides me, when copying/moving files?

Just trying to see if it's my bloated tx or a bug!

st

[janos]

Does the blue progress bar not appear for anyone else besides me, when copying/moving files?
Nothing like this here - for several devices, TX including.

Does the copy itself work?

Does it happen also for large files?

Do you have any hacks or similar that could eventually generate extra events? (Your question suggests that.)

I looked into the sources and if unexpected events come, the drawing process might be interrupted.

If you have a repeatable case, then we could solve it offline by sending a modified version. If this is the case, contact me please at palm@resco-net.com.

[Supertrucker]

Happens with small/large files, including ftp transfers. Yes, there are plenty of pieces of software on my tx that possibly interfere. I'll try playing around with some apps to see if I can get it to work.

[Supertrucker]

Sorry, forgot to include the fact that it copies fine, the blue progress bar just doesn't appear in the "progress box".

[janos]

Sorry, forgot to include the fact that it copies fine, the blue progress bar just doesn't appear in the "progress box".
Do you mean empty progress bar? Even for roughly 1 MB single file? That would be something else. Please clarify as precisely as possible.

RE does a lot of optimizing - for example minimizes progres updates.

[scottl]

Could it be a SkinUI (or similar app) modification? I "Completely unload" SkinUI for all of my Resco apps. Actually, I'm disabling it for more apps all the time...

[Supertrucker]

As am I :o I ran a few experiments and found:

1. I removed a bunch, disabled a bunch of apps, tried again. Nothing different. My Palm crashed and reset after trying a new app. Anyhow, afterwards, I tried copying a file to ram, and the progress bar showed. Tried to copy a file via FTP, and no progress bar, even though the transfer took about 3 seconds.

ST

[janos]

Tried to copy a file via FTP, and no progress bar, even though the transfer took about 3 seconds.
This does not mean much. Progress decides by the amount of copied data, which is not an optimal strategy for FTP. It could be that FTP copied a few Bytes and the progress decided that it is not worth of drawing anything and then the rest went in one go.

[janos]

Copying into RAM using a slow channel (that is so slow that lets the event queue running - such as FTP; you see the event queue running by the flashing network icon) has one specific:

There can be a conflict between the resource ID's of the Explorer and the copied DB. This is kind of a design flaw of the Palm OS, when the resources are searched in the complete list of the opened databases.

The conflict happens when the copied DB uses the same ID's as used in the progress drawing by the Explorer. A rather exceptional case, but happens.

Copy to the card has no problems - not even theretically.

[Supertrucker]

Well you are right on all counts. The files transferred via FTP were under 10k max, just updated PHP scripts (text files), and the flashing network icon was always present as data was sent/received. I just thought that the blue progress bar would be shown on all counts, but that's okay, happy to see that there are no bugs then!

Thanks for the quick response,

ST