1src Forums - Next generation of TH55 = iPhone3G

DanT

07-03-2008, 11:00 AM

The time has finally come, July 11. After watching Apple3G A Guided Tour and WWDC Keynote Address (http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/?cid=CDM-US-iPhone-C0007093-125099&Email_PageName=iPhoneGT-C0007093-125099&Email_OID=275841&cp=125099&sr=em), I find a TH55 worthy replacement, iPhone3G.

What made me think this way is that, besides the goodies that come with the old iPhone, iPhone3G now has:
1. Black backcase
2. Scentific calculator
3. Sync with MS Exchange
4. Read Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF attachments
5. 3G = 2.8 x Edge
7. Built-in GPS
8. SDK ready
9. Same (or cheaper, depending on 8GB or 16GB) price as TH55

Anything else that would remind you of TH55?

I get the same anxious feeling of wanting to get a hold of the iPhone3G as I had in February 2004 for the TH55.

dmitrygr

07-03-2008, 11:28 AM

1. Plastic, not like clie which has a metal interior frame
2. A joke compared to powerOne Graph
3. M$ anything is useless.
4. TH55 can edit them too, not juts view
5. WiFi is still faster
6. ....you forgot to include a # 6
7. Sure I'll give you this one, though for me, personally, this is totally useless
8. Don't get excited - all the exciting things you could do with it are prohibited in the terms of SDK use. Also apple has to approve all applications that are made before you ever get them.
9. Really? Did you forget that you cannot buy one without signing for a 2 year plan worth at least $50 a month. Unlike the original iPhone you cannot buy it without a plan - it will not work. They are shipped to stores with iTunes and video playback disabled, and this is enabled in the store right after you sign the contract using a secret apple-only cable and a secret PC application and a VERY long digital signature

Get a TX. with a few extra hacks it replaces TH55 nicely

olderTechnology

07-03-2008, 11:38 AM

I'm not as negative as Dmitry, but I've got to add one thing:

10. If you sync with anything, it will be with iTunes. iTunes is the only syncing application that could have made the original Palm HotSync look good. Yikes! What's the virtual footprint on that thing, 2GB??

I sync my music that way, but ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE TO. Pleeez don't make me sync Word documents or spreadsheets or my calendar that way!

DanT

07-03-2008, 01:12 PM

Good comments. Please continue.

1. I opened many TH55, 100+, I haven't seen any metal interior frame.
2. I like the KISS concept. As a chemical engineer in R&D, that scientific calculator is good enough for me. The old calculator is too simple.
3. Useless to you, but in my office, they use it, so I need to sync to it.
4. I'd use my laptop if I need to edit. All I need in that tiny mobil screen is to access it any where I want and to read. I can't put my laptop in my pants' pocket.
5. There are places where WiFi is not available. Besides 3G is approaching WiFi. For example, opening a website with lots of images, like National Geography (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/earth-the-biography/?ngc=77), iPhone3G opens it in 21s vs WiFi in 17s, Edge in 59s. Other 3G phones like Nokia N95 opens it in 33s, Treo 750 in 34s, both with less display page. Opening email an attachment, Edge opens it in 18s, 3G in 5s, WiFi in 3s.
6. You got me, there. :o
7. My treasure is your trash. That is clear.
8. It's coming, we'll see.
9. Good point. Personally I have no problem with the 2yr plan. We'll see what Zibri can do. His ZiPhone has been amazing.
10. I have no problem with iTunes in XP.

dmitrygr

07-03-2008, 01:31 PM

1. Sorry was thinking of a different clie
2. then you should not claim it is better ;)
3. i am sorry to hear this.
4. To view clie has picsel, which works better than the apple viwer IMHO
5. yes i saw the webcast too... stop buying into the hype. that is because the iphone render engine is dog slow and thus the extra wifi speed is trown away. try doing an actual downlaod and note that 3G is ages behind wifi
6. :)
7. i have a BIG screen garmin gps, that is all i need
8. nothing is coming. read the SDK EULA. For extra credit see how lawsuit-happy apple's been in their history
9. yes, but please abandon claim of better price. iphone plan costs more thatn same plan for another phone, it is OBVIOUSLY deferring the payment of full cost.
10. indeed. WinXP itself is your problem.

icefireicefire

07-03-2008, 03:03 PM

I have to say i agree with Dmitry on this one, the 2yr contract thing is just EVIL :(

salimby

07-03-2008, 03:10 PM

DanT

07-03-2008, 03:32 PM

I have to say i agree with Dmitry on this one, the 2yr contract thing is just EVIL :(

I'll see the real deal on July 11 and post it here. So far the old iPhone of $20/mo for unlimited download/data connect with 200 text messaging has been a good deal for me.

Again I'm waiting for Zibri to come up with his magic touch to work around the 2 year contract. Currently I have one iPhone with AT&T and another that works with any SIM card that I carry with me whenever I'm in foreign country. All I need to do is to buy a SIM card for that country and voila, the iPhone now works for that country. Some SIM cards work without subscription, i.e., pay as you go. Hopefully Zibri can do it again for iPhone3G!

Joel

07-03-2008, 03:41 PM

I have an iPhone Classic (4GB ;)) which I've been using day to day. It's unlocked, it lives on prepaid cards, and it has replaced two Palm-powered devices: a TH55/E and a Treo 650.

Why it works for me:

1. Form factor. More "aerodynamic" compared to the TH55/E. Less buttons too.
2. It has a simple calculator. I hate complicated ones.
3. It's so stable that I haven't synced after the first sync.
4. Read Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF attachments
5. WiFi and Mobile Safari.
6. My #6 is: it's by Apple.
7. Camera and wifi.
8. Jailbroken. All the apps I need are in Installer.
9. It was $199.

Our mileages will vary but I'm staying with the iPhone.

DanT

07-03-2008, 03:41 PM

Dan, I am also a bit reserved about iPhone's scientific calculator... I believe the freeware scientific calculator written for Palm OS known as "EasyCalc" can do more.

There has however been some interesting development of scientific calculators for the Android platform...

I'm using MatUPro (http://creativecreek.com/) in my TH55. It is now available for iPhone. Just check it out. I have put a skin with buttons that are programmed to calculate vapor pressures for various molecules in TH55, now I can transport it to iPhone. :cool:

DanT

07-03-2008, 03:44 PM

MathUPro for iPhone

http://creativecreek.com/iphone/media/mathu.gif

dbrich

07-03-2008, 03:45 PM

It always comes down to how you intend to use your device. As a project engineer, I needed a franklin planner replacement and a scientific calculator after my hp 41 died. The connectivity with WiFi is a nice extra as is bluetooth. No monthly service fee is priceless.

DanT

07-03-2008, 03:59 PM

I used to have several HP41s (41C, 41CV, 41CX). MathUPro replaces them. You can laways get the iPod Touch which is even thinner.

You can do without monthly service fee, as Joel said with prepaid SIM card. My other 16GB iPhone acts like a PDA when I remove the SIM card or by turning on the Airplane Mode. With the soon coming iPhone3G, I bet the old iPhone prices sink like a rock in a pond. You can get pretty good deals in eBay after July 11, I bet.

Joel

07-04-2008, 06:33 AM

... I bet the old iPhone prices sink like a rock in a pond. You can get pretty good deals in eBay after July 11, I bet.

That is what I hope. I'll be on eBay that week, hunting.

Tenex

07-04-2008, 10:09 AM

With the soon coming iPhone3G, I bet the old iPhone prices sink like a rock in a pond. You can get pretty good deals in eBay after July 11, I bet.

Seems very unlikely, the price of the new iPhone and contracts for the US is escalating enormously (detailed well in the last MacBreak Weekly podcast). I think the 'Classic' is going to hold its price well especially as unlocking and jailbreaking remains attractive. Most (70%) of the reduced price iPhones sold in the UK in the past couple of months have been used on other networks. A pity my preferred network is 3G and I couldn't use one.

I'd love my Touch to have bluetooth and a camera, but the form factor of an iPhone falls between too many stools - not big enough for a tablet, fine for an iPod, wrong form factor for a phone with odd missing features.

Mark29

07-05-2008, 07:32 AM

Does the iPhone have a memory slot?

Mark

Tenex

07-05-2008, 07:42 AM

No nothing like that, not even a user changeable battery - as far as we know.

jj2me

07-05-2008, 08:19 AM

This thread is an education for those of us who don't have an iPhone. My general impressions:

"I'm a spendthrift, or my company supplies a lot of pricey infrastructure, so I think I'll get an iPhone for its anywhere connectivity and nice, modern interface."

$200 for a TH55 with Docs2Go (I've *created* most of my spreadsheets right there on the TH55).
-vs.-
$Thousands for the iPhone and recurring contract and MS Exchange and iTunes lock-in (e.g., Audible subscription rather than free library audiobooks).

From Dmitry on workplace need for Exchange: "3. i am sorry to hear this." I got a good laugh at this.

From Joel: "3. It's so stable that I haven't synced after the first sync." So was my Clie SJ20 for these past 5 years, and I got cocky too, but it has just begun to reset for no discernible reason. Everything breaks. Be careful.

For those who want a simple scientific TH55 calculator with conversions, like the fable of Goldilocks and the three Bears, I found the free Calcul-8! to be just right.

Tenex

07-05-2008, 08:39 AM

$200 for a TH55 with Docs2Go (I've *created* most of my spreadsheets right there on the TH55).
-vs.-
$Thousands for the iPhone and recurring contract and MS Exchange and iTunes lock-in (e.g., Audible subscription rather than free library audiobooks).

There's nothing to stop you grabbing the whole Gutenberg catalogue and using the Automator text to MP3 function to create literally thousands of audiobooks for free. Or look for torrents.

I don't have an iPhone and for format and other reasons don't want one as a phone but I adore my Touch (though wish it were an iPhone minus the phone bit...).

Time and technology move on. I still think the 'best' PDA I ever had was my original Psion but the best 'connected' PDA was the TH55. I moved to Mac a few years back and the integration would no doubt make me cite the iPhone as the best 'connected and integrated' PDA if I had one. The manual pinch screen zooming on a Touch/iPhone is a fantastic feature and one I sorely miss on my MacBook you need to live with it to fully appreciate it. The new MobileMe service will revolutionise conncectivity on the platform.

Mark29

07-05-2008, 08:40 AM

No nothing like that, not even a user changeable battery - as far as we know.

I didn't think so, that's too bad. No matter how much memory a device comes with, the user will fill it up and want more :p The battery is no biggie, the TH55 technically isn't user exchangeable either, but it can be done.

Mark

Tenex

07-05-2008, 08:48 AM

I didn't think so, that's too bad. No matter how much memory a device comes with, the user will fill it up and want more :p The battery is no biggie, the TH55 technically isn't user exchangeable either, but it can be done.

Mark
I think the iPhone would be similar but no one will do it while under contract.

See my post above but the thing I have to stress with the Touch/iPhone series is the ease connectivity and of moving data around. At the moment Apple are limiting the things that can be done with the platform but once the app store is fully open I think there will be a fantastic number of truly useful apps esp. if you're a Mac user.

Interestingly there's a very strange pricing problem brewing for Apple - the iPhone is a great iPod and given that people use phones and carry MP3 players with them the iPhone is now making the Touch look overpriced. Add in the summer student program (free 8Gb Touch with a Mac) and I think we're going to see a very different Touch launched in the Autumn with a completely different pricing structure.

DanT

07-05-2008, 06:52 PM

Does the iPhone have a memory slot?

Mark

No, but I think 16GB is plenty for now.

robitaille88

07-05-2008, 08:33 PM

No, but I think 16GB is plenty for now.
Once Dmitry gets SDHC, Palm TX can have a 16GB card.
Then of course the Palm TX just needs a proper browser. NetFront is a start, but I hate the constant "Page too big" errors and inability to have embedded media and lack of AJAX.

Though, realistically speaking, if I was a new user, trying to decide between an iPod Touch and a Palm TX, I'd go iPod Touch immediately.

In order to get the Palm TX up to a level of functionality as the iPod Touch, several software purchases are required (Coreplayer, a proper launcher, etc.), as well as an SDHC card. Overall, the Palm TX cost at least $100 more than the 16GB iPod Touch to get it up to par. However, once your TX has all that functionality, there's much farther you can go with the Palm TX than the iPod Touch.

LupeValenz

07-06-2008, 06:02 PM

While I drooled watching the keynote for the iPhone 3G, I just can't get it. AT&T pricing plans is just outrageous. Also the lack of 3G in my area is a big flag. Even though they keep on touting faster speeds I just have to keep reminding myself that I wouldn't be able to use that speed. The big temptation though is that 3G, I love the location awareness apps they have and can't wait to see what other apps will be developed with that in mind. 3G no good for me so next upgrade is just to get a 32GB iPod touch. Oh, I have to say that I do love that calendar events can be color coded. I do hope we can do that on the iPhone/iPod touch device itself and not have to go through iCal or mobileme.

LanMan

07-07-2008, 07:50 AM

Well, I like the iPhone, but I'm a bit old-fashioned about cell phones (if you can call anything about cell phones old fashioned as they've only been popular for about 10+ years) and I don't want to pay for a data plan. That leaves the iPhone out. Also, I can't really give up ALL of my Palm apps. I use a ton of them, but a few are indespensible! Finally, I can use my trusty TH55 with only on hand for many functions whereas the iPhone is a two-handed affair. iPhone doesn't replace my TH55 and probably never will. Which worries me as I'm now using my "new" backup '55 because the backlight went out on the one that I used for four years. So if something happens to my "new" backup, brrrr, I can't stand the thought of it. :eek:

techzec

07-08-2008, 03:54 AM

I initially drooled at the thought of an iPhone. Decided to pass as 500+ was just ridiculous.

Since playing with a friend's, the main thing that bugs is no IR ports. I've used Palms, Clies and PPC's and IR's a requirement now.

For now, I'll continue using a $20 cell and a TH55.

jj2me

07-08-2008, 04:22 AM

Since playing with a friend's, the main thing that bugs is no IR ports. I've used Palms, Clies and PPC's and IR's a requirement now.

I agree, but manufacturers seem to be leaving out IR. E.g., most new HTC Windows Mobile smartphones like the Touch, and the new iPAQ PDAs (110/111/210/211).

DanT

07-09-2008, 03:08 PM

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9. Really? Did you forget that you cannot buy one without signing for a 2 year plan worth at least $50 a month. Unlike the original iPhone you cannot buy it without a plan - it will not work. They are shipped to stores with iTunes and video playback disabled, and this is enabled in the store right after you sign the contract using a secret apple-only cable and a secret PC application and a VERY long digital signature..

I confirmed this with AT&T store. For those who are thinking about getting iPhone, the difference between old iPhone vs iPhone3G are:

Old iPhone:
1. No need to have 2-yr contract.
2. Unlimited data download for $20/month
3. 200 text messages /month are included in the $20/month

iPhone3G:
1. Required to have 2-yr contract.
2. Unlimited data download + GPS for $30/month
3. Add $5/10/15/20 for 200/400/1500/ unlimited tex messages /month
4. $175 for breaking the contract
5. More coverage, i.e., it'll connect to 3G and 2G (Edge) where 3G is not available.

I'm going to get it anyway this Friday morning. ;)

dmitrygr

07-09-2008, 03:26 PM

#2 is BS. Go ahead and download 30 GB in a month and watch your data connection get disconnected, contract canceled, and you paying the termination fee
#5 is also bullshit, since there is NO area that has 3G only coverage. thus 3G coverage is a strict subset of 2G coverage, so you get no more coverage then you did before....

danielmaradona

07-09-2008, 04:54 PM

I agree, but manufacturers seem to be leaving out IR. E.g., most new HTC Windows Mobile smartphones like the Touch, and the new iPAQ PDAs (110/111/210/211).
I think only the Palm is still including IR on their devices. The Palm Treo 800w will still have an IR built-in. I think it can still be very useful, you can install software like Noviremote so you can use your phone as a universal remote control for your home theater system.

DanT

07-09-2008, 04:54 PM

Don't kill the messenger. :)
#2 You should take them to court.
#5 You need to challenge the AT&T sales with facts.

danielmaradona

07-09-2008, 04:55 PM

Does the iPhone have a memory slot?

Mark
No, It will have a built-in flash based storage for music videos and applications.

dmitrygr

07-09-2008, 05:01 PM

Don't kill the messenger. :)
#2 You should take them to court.
#5 You need to challenge the AT&T sales with facts.

#2. don't need to - i got tmobile. already downloaded 50 or so GBs in last 9 says...and all is ok. But when they cut you off, tell me how the court goes
#5. Really. sorry. but 3G is a subset of 2G coverage. THere exist no areas with 3G but not 2G coverage.

DanT

07-09-2008, 05:12 PM

#2. don't need to - i got tmobile. already downloaded 50 or so GBs in last 9 says...and all is ok. But when they cut you off, tell me how the court goes
#5. Really. sorry. but 3G is a subset of 2G coverage. THere exist no areas with 3G but not 2G coverage.

#2. Sure, I will if that happens to me.
#5. May be they meant more option. You know how those salespersons are.

tonyreynolds

07-10-2008, 10:26 AM

Joel

07-10-2008, 03:47 PM

tonyreynolds, here's a great sample of pictures taken with an iPhone: http://flickr.com/cameras/apple/iphone/

And here's PCalc (http://www.pcalc.com/iphone/). Now available in Apple's App Store ($9.99).

ankh

07-10-2008, 06:49 PM

A TH-55 went for under $100 today on eBay.
C'mon, early adopters, adopt that Apple thingy and let your TH go free
(or at least relatively inexpensively ...)

DanT

07-10-2008, 08:28 PM

http://www.1src.com/gallery/data/500/2949TH55_iPhone.JPG

DanT

07-10-2008, 08:30 PM

I'm happy with iPhone 2MP camera. Of course you need good lighting since there is no builtin flash.

ankh

07-10-2008, 11:11 PM

Good comparison, keep encouraging people to move up (grin).
I'm definitely a late adopter, just moved my phone from a kyocera (the very first Palm smartphone) to a Treo 650 last week only because I was forced to by Verizon losing their analog service. The TH-55 has always looked to me like an improvement on my SJ-30 as an ebook reader, and marginally usable to take photos with me on botany field work where I am resurveying old sites and need to remember sort of what they looked like. (And for that I carry my Pentax film SLR, which makes what end up 45-meg digital images via a Nikon film scanner, and my Panasonic digital SLR for its zoom and 5-meg images).

Keep these comparisons coming, I'm grateful. Time to hand off the TH-55 to a new generation with other ideas about using it.

So I'm very happy the telephone features of the Apple device are drawing people away. Yes, I will be very happy in a few years probably to be able to buy a general purpose computer in this form factor -- the 'Android' platform is promising, because I know enough really good programmers who are hoping to be able to work with it. If Apple had an open software plan, it'd be tempting me more.

DanT

07-11-2008, 06:23 PM

After 3-hour waiting, I got the iPhone3G. What I learnt so far:
1. iPhone3G does not come with cradle :(
2. iPhone3G does not fit on 2G cradle :(
3. Love that black back :)
4. My favorite earbud headphone now works with iPhone3G :)

The reason for #2 is the back of iPhone3G is ergonomically curved to fit on your palm better and wider. I did not notice being wider until I installed iPhone2G screen protector to the iPhone3G and saw the gap. Basically the iPhone3G screen is bigger.

Now it is time to play around with the iPhone3G. For a single subscription the iPhone2G was $60/mo, while the iPhone3G is $75/mo (including the 200 text messages/month, which before it was included, but now it costs $5/month extra). Let's see if the 3G and GPS worth the additional $15/month. Checking what Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile offers, at&t price seems to be competitive for the same service options (i.e., voice, unlimited data download/internet access, text messaging/sms), so I'm pretty happy with the subscription.

http://www.1src.com/gallery/data/500/29492Gvs3G.JPG

DanT

07-11-2008, 07:56 PM

...Finally, I can use my trusty TH55 with only on hand for many functions whereas the iPhone is a two-handed affair. iPhone doesn't replace my TH55 and probably never will. Which worries me as I'm now using my "new" backup '55 because the backlight went out on the one that I used for four years. So if something happens to my "new" backup, brrrr, I can't stand the thought of it. :eek:

I've been using my iPhones with one hand most of the time. The pinch zoom can be done by double taps. Go to any Apple or at&t stores and spend a few minutes playing with one, you'll be amaze how easy one-handed operation is. I think it is more natural and easier than TH55 (and you know how crazy I'm about TH55).

BTW, I can replace your TH55 dead backlight with a bright one for $35 (including shipping). My trusty TH55 backlight went dead too a month ago after 4 years & 4 months of daily use. It is now back as bright as new. :D

No worry about running out of backlights. I have plenty.

jjesusfreak01

07-11-2008, 10:42 PM

Don't kill the messenger. :)
#2 You should take them to court.
#5 You need to challenge the AT&T sales with facts.
No, I would just let them disconnect me, and then get a chargeback on the early termination fee from the CC company. Anyways, it doesnt seem like there are many apps on the iPhone capable of doing 30GB a month unless you were browsing nonstop.

JAmerican

07-12-2008, 02:42 AM

No, I would just let them disconnect me, and then get a chargeback on the early termination fee from the CC company. Anyways, it doesnt seem like there are many apps on the iPhone capable of doing 30GB a month unless you were browsing nonstop.

Never thought I'd see the day DanT would convince himself and us all that the iPhone 3G is a worthy replacement. Well the iPhone is a locked down device not worth what it costs or the plan costs. Have you forgot about Copy & Paste? The Data Plan? The fact that you have to jailbreak your phone to add homebrew apps? I remember a lot of Palm OS members here criticized me for trying to find ways to make my CLIE UX or Palm TX better through software mods. Now it seems like jailbreaking is the natural thing to do.

I'm looking into the Treo 800w. For once, Palm got something right. Windows Mobile is way superior to OS X and Palm OS. Also no jailbreaking to add apps.

The fact that you can multitask without worrying if your app will be able to multitask makes it worth it. Also, development of the iPhone apps must be done (to my knowledge on a Mac OS X machine).

The iPhone is just another Sidekick/Blackberry with little apps and a lot of control.

The only thing holding Palm OS back is the lack of full multitasking. Making Windows Mobile the only OS worth using. The problem with WM is that it has memory issues. The thing I must say is that Palm-based WM devices are the fastest I've ever seen. Making the Treo the best device to get.

When there is no LAG or memory leakage, WM rocks :).

JAmerican

Cyker

07-12-2008, 03:30 AM

DanT

07-12-2008, 09:12 AM

TH55 is 4+ years old. Technology moves on. Smartphone is the next generation of PDA. Looking at the form factor, which smartphone is resembling TH55 most?

Don't get me wrong, I still love my TH55 and use it as my backup. There are lots of info in my TH55 that are not yet transfered to my iPhone. Slowly but surely they are moving to my iPhone. And I will continue support those TH55 owners for years to come.

3G + Safari makes iPhone3G like a little brother of TH55 zipping around its big, slower and older brother's WiFi + NetFront 3.1 a few times. I can access internet in almost every where I go in 3G speed, which is approaching WiFi, as Steve Job had demonstrated in WWDC Keynote, which I compared it myself against my home WiFi. No more looking for Starbucks, when I'm away from home.

No more PEGA-CC5 sled or GPS mouse plugin or Bluetooth GPS mouse. It is now builtin in iPhone3G.

In comparison to the old iPhone (2G), this 3G and GPS in iPhone3G worth the $15/mo extra for me.

Having no separate cellphone to carry around is also a bonus.

My iPhone2G has been very stable for me since I had it, October 2007, for 9 months. I have bought 10 iPhone2Gs for overseas relatives and friends, who couldn't get there or if they could, they would be very very expensive. All of them are very happy with the iPhone performance. I may notice one or two freeze screen or flaky response, which easily took care of by turning it off and on like any cellphones. So I expect iPhone3G would be the same.

This 2-year contract arrangement would certainly dampen those iPhone3G demands in the country where the iPhone3G is not available. That is too bad. It could be a significant loss of potential iPhone3G sales.

I would be curious, a year from now, how the iPhone3G sales compares to its older and more expensive brother. My guess is it's probably less.

JAmerican

07-12-2008, 11:39 AM

Ugh, multitasking would just make PalmOS crap and slow.

What it really needs is for Palm to a) Fix it (Get rid of NVFS-Maybe use memristers/MRAM, put back G1, improve the interface without changing it!) and b) Build decent devices!

Wow I guess your computer must be running a non-multitasking operating system so that it runs much faster.

That's all these little devices are. They are computers. With the right operating system and hardware, they can achieve great heights. Although M$ has a long way to go in terms of making the OS more efficient for WM devices, I think that WM is at a better state right now than Palm OS simply because of multitasking. I love that I don't have to be on the Browser app to view websites and close it when I leave.

Not only that but the community is so great that most phones get updates to the most recent version of WM even if it was not officially released for that device.

My T-Mobile Dash was upgraded from WM 5 to WM 6 to WM 6.1. No official T-Mobile update for WM 6.1 but the community made it possible.

@DanT: We all have our personal preference but I think the original iPhone 2G back looks way better. This is the first time Apple has went from a metal device to a plastic one. Usually the trend in Apple is that a device that gets upgraded goes from plastic to metal. Look at the MacBook vs. MacBook Pro or the iPods such as the Nano, original iPod, shuffle. Even the Mac Pro towers.

JAmerican

DanT

07-12-2008, 12:51 PM

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@DanT: We all have our personal preference but I think the original iPhone 2G back looks way better. This is the first time Apple has went from a metal device to a plastic one. Usually the trend in Apple is that a device that gets upgraded goes from plastic to metal. Look at the MacBook vs. MacBook Pro or the iPods such as the Nano, original iPod, shuffle. Even the Mac Pro towers.
JAmerican

That all black plastic looks and feels good on my palm (i.e., more ergonomically friendly shape for one-hand operation). I want black all around, which reminds me of TH55. The old iPhone has half black plastic and half metal on the back, which does not look good to me.

The curve back of the new iPhone sticks on my hand better than the old one for one-hand operation. Most of back surface area is in contact with my palm.

With the old iPhone flat-back, only the edges are in contact with my palm. It feels like holding a half-deck of cards. Once your thumb do the tapping you're risking the iPhone to slip off your hand. I've dropped the old one once. It has a dent on the corner :(. If plastic, it'll probably bounce and leave no dent. So I have no problem with plastic in that sense. The black paint seems like a tough paint to wear off. I guess times will tell.

Go to the Apple or at&t store and play around with it and tell us what you think about it.

harpgliss

07-12-2008, 01:03 PM

JAmerican

07-12-2008, 01:44 PM

Hi,

JAmerican, nice to see someone who thinks WM is a good OS.

Good site to check out is XDA developers, but from your last post, you may be aware of it already.

As for the comments by DanT, he found a device that works for him and is excited and wants to talk about it.

It is nice to have a new toy, maybe not a toy, and have fun with it and want to let others know of your enjoyment.

I have not taken his posts in this thread as a sales pitch.

I get a new gadget, and I am enjoying it, I talk about it a lot too.

That's a good thing.

Dan, enjoy your new gadget, and I am glad you will still be around for to support us TH55 users.

Even us who now use it as a backup device as you do.

David

Yea Harpgliss is right. Enjoy your device DanT. Let us know when you have a stock of iPhones and iPod Touches :)... Seriously :D. I'd love to see a picture like the one you did of the TH55 and the UX's.

BTW I still got my UX50. I sold my TX.

BTW DanT, I have a challenge for you... would you try to place the iPhone 3G Motherboard in the iPhone 2G?

DanT

07-12-2008, 06:31 PM

Thanks guys. So far so good with iPhone3G.

Sorry JA, I won't mess around with my iPhone3G hardware, may be for two years. I may crack open my iPhone2G whenever its warranty runs out, which would be next year.

olderTechnology

07-14-2008, 12:21 AM

As a six-month owner of an iPod Touch (with new 2.0 firmware), I have agreed with most of DanT's excitement. Especially the internet experience.

But, gosh folks, it's still a toy right now. One year in, it's still a toy. Give it another year, and it might replace the good ole TH55.

No usable keyboard AND no handwriting is a deal breaker. Syncing with iTunes, bless its bloated heart, is a deal breaker.

But what really convinced me was this kickoff weekend. I upgraded the firmware. I surfed the app store. I downloaded the New York Times app. Then I really started shopping. Yikes! The software is all toy software! Look under "productivity" and then look under "utilities". We've got a LONG way to go. Calculate my tips? Split my meal check? Give me a break. I want to read PDFs. I want to read text. I have to EDIT word and excel docs.

So yes, this is a computer. Yes, it is far more powerful than CLIE. But give me some usable software please! Looks like another year with the TH55 for me.

dmunz

07-15-2008, 09:53 AM

Just out of curiosity, for those of you who have both, how do the TH and Touch compare for video viewing? I'm just wondering if there is a significant improvement in the picture quality.

TIA
DLM

Mark29

07-15-2008, 06:48 PM

Just out of curiosity, for those of you who have both, how do the TH and Touch compare for video viewing? I'm just wondering if there is a significant improvement in the picture quality.

TIA
DLM

See post #38 in this thread...

dmunz

07-16-2008, 12:00 AM

See post #38 in this thread...

Interesting, but I was wondering about full motion video, not the launch screen. Does the Touch display video better than the TH55?

Simple Question, many answers I'm sure...

DLM

Mark29

07-16-2008, 05:15 AM

Interesting, but I was wondering about full motion video, not the launch screen. Does the Touch display video better than the TH55?

Simple Question, many answers I'm sure...

DLM

I must be in the minority of people that have 0 interest in watching video on a tiny screen...

jj2me

07-16-2008, 06:20 AM

I must be in the minority of people that have 0 interest in watching video on a tiny screen...

Rather than imagining yourself converting and watching full-length movies, think video podcasts or TV shows on the move and on the quick. I love watching video podcasts on my 3" Zune. Nice and clear, and soooo portable. A real nice experience--people don't look tiny somehow, you think they were zoomed in on especially for these podcasts (they weren't). For example, you can watch the CBS or NBC evening news shows, or Meet the Press, or Onion News Network, or Face the Nation. You can really-fast-forward past uninteresting segments--I can watch an hour-long evening news show in 10 minutes or so. My fav is Best of YouTube, showing you some of the crazy and amazing goings-on in the world, filmed by amateurs. I've gotten to the point that I also look at videos on a 1.8" screen.

LanMan

07-16-2008, 07:59 AM

Are the video podcasts in a format that the TH55 w/TCPMP can read? And, how do you get the news podcasts?

Mark29

07-16-2008, 08:32 AM

Rather than imagining yourself converting and watching full-length movies, think video podcasts or TV shows on the move and on the quick. I love watching video podcasts on my 3" Zune. Nice and clear, and soooo portable. A real nice experience--people don't look tiny somehow, you think they were zoomed in on especially for these podcasts (they weren't). For example, you can watch the CBS or NBC evening news shows, or Meet the Press, or Onion News Network, or Face the Nation. You can really-fast-forward past uninteresting segments--I can watch an hour-long evening news show in 10 minutes or so. My fav is Best of YouTube, showing you some of the crazy and amazing goings-on in the world, filmed by amateurs. I've gotten to the point that I also look at videos on a 1.8" screen.

I imagine I don't have time to watch videos on the move - I'm lucky I have time to watch the shows I'm interested in when I'm home. Besides, I'm too spoiled by my 50" HD and digital sound system to watch anything on a 1.8" screen :)

jj2me

07-16-2008, 06:39 PM

Are the video podcasts in a format that the TH55 w/TCPMP can read? And, how do you get the news podcasts?

Sorry, I don't know about format compatibility with TCPMP, was just answering that small-screen video is not a bad experience. Zune is a closed ecosystem of PC software and device, not unlike iTunes/iPod, so any conversion is done during sync'ing, and voila, works like magic.

I searched a little, but couldn't figure out what you'd need for conversions.

You can probably get these news show on whatever your podcatcher is. I just checked iTunes, searching their podcast section for "CBS Evening News", and it was there. Also NBC Nightly News and NBC Today Show (1st hour) and NBC Meet the Press.

DanT

07-17-2008, 12:36 PM

Interesting, but I was wondering about full motion video, not the launch screen. Does the Touch display video better than the TH55?

Simple Question, many answers I'm sure...

DLM

From my layman eyes, iPhone video is better, i.e., smoother. The specs confirm my observation.

iPhone: 640x480 at 30 fps with max 1.5Mbps
TH55: 320x240 at 30 fps

You have to realize though TH55 is 4.5 years old. However, back then it came with dedicated graphic accelerator chip besides the HHE (Handheld Engine) CPU.

I do like the bigger screen (3.9") of TH55 than the smaller (3.5") iPhone screen. Bigger screen is better for my eyes. On the other side, the smaller screen but with higher pixels help to make the view sharper and smoother.

Mark29

07-17-2008, 03:31 PM

If anyone's interested, eReader is going to be available for iPhone & iPod Touch:

eReader (http://www.ereader.com/help/iphonefaq.htm)

dmitrygr

07-17-2008, 03:55 PM

um...iphone does not have higher pixel count...it is still 320x480... it is not vga...

DanT

07-17-2008, 09:16 PM

um...iphone does not have higher pixel count...it is still 320x480... it is not vga...

I'm just quoting the iPhone spec, http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
"Video formats supported: H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second"

dmitrygr

07-17-2008, 09:25 PM

my lifedrive can play those formats too, but the screen is still same resolution in iphone...and physically smaller. no matte rhow you twist it, iphone loses this competition even with a lifedrive

DanT

07-17-2008, 09:53 PM

I'm twisting nothing, just mention the facts and my observation on both my TH55 and iPhone. If you feel your LifeDrive is superior over the iPhone, good for you. This thread is not a competition, as the title said "Next generation of TH55 = iPhone3G", simply expressing my impression of how similar iPhone3G to TH55.

DanT

07-17-2008, 10:14 PM

What's the screen size of the new iPhone compared to the TH55? I believe (correct me if I'm wrong...) that the resolution is the same: half-VGA?

Also, can ANYONE with one of the current iPhones or perhaps DanT after FRIDAY post some pics taken with the built-in camera? The TH55 camera has always sucked, no matter what I've tried to do (i.e. extra lenses, etc.) to fix it.

I'm very concerned about the iPhone as a future phone for me because of the limitation to ATT as a carrier and Apple's propensity to nickle and dime us with all the add-ons...

Tony

Yes, same, half VGA (480x320). iPhone screen (3.5" measured diagonally) looks sharper than that of TH55 larger screen (3.9") because the iPhone pixels are more compacted in smaller screen. You may have seen how much sharper the half VGA screen of UX50.

I don't see much price disparity between at&t and others. What kind of deal do you find out there from its competitor?

DanT

07-27-2008, 11:14 AM

If anyone's interested, eReader is going to be available for iPhone & iPod Touch:

eReader (http://www.ereader.com/help/iphonefaq.htm)

Yea. That is cool. Here is my latest screenshot of the freewares and shortcuts. I haven't bought any shareware, yet. There are pretty cool free games too in my 3rd page of desktop screen.

Actually the screenshot is already out of date. Jott is already replaced with VoiceNotes for recording notes on the fly. This is good when you are in a hurry like recording where you park in the airport parking lot before dashing to the gate.

The version 2.0 makes it easy to add special icon. Checkout my 1src icon. ;)

http://www.1src.com/gallery/data/500/2949iPhone3G.JPG

Joel

07-27-2008, 06:22 PM

If anyone's interested, eReader is going to be available for iPhone & iPod Touch:

eReader (http://www.ereader.com/help/iphonefaq.htm)
That's one of the major reasons why I jailbreaked (jailbroke?) my 4GB iPhone... it's for eReader!

I can now access BOTH of my ereader.com and fictionwise.com accounts. Text rendering is awesome, of course.

eReader is free and comes with Tarzan of the Apes and The Last of the Mohicans.

There's currently no way to add your own ebooks but access to my "old" ebooks is more than enough!

Joel

07-27-2008, 06:25 PM

DanT and the others... there is a built-in (undocumented) screenshot feature. Just hold down the menu button then press the power button. :)

Like so:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2685036873_32a3c53548.jpg

Joel

07-27-2008, 06:37 PM

And here's my current screenshot of apps. Notes are in Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsuplido/2707705683/).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2707705683_889b89922f_o.jpg

Tenex

07-27-2008, 06:39 PM

There's currently no way to add your own ebooks but access to my "old" ebooks is more than enough!

There are free ebook reader apps in the App Store take a look - allows you to use any text file as a source.

@Joel
That's not undocumented that's a new feature in v2. How else would we ever get data into our Evernote accounts? ;)

dmale7

07-27-2008, 11:18 PM

It's been a long time since I've been to 1src.com. I remember when I had my old NX clamshell and how we used to wish Sony would give it cell phone functionality. I even recall a picture someone rendered of the Clie concept cell phone. This forum was GREAT! Many innovations were spawned right here in these threads. I thought the TH55 was the best piece of machinery ever. And at the time it was. And for 5 years I held on to it and tricked it out to the nth degree. But I was carrying my ipod, my cell, and my TH55. I held out for the iPhone 3g. When I weigh the shear coolness vs it's small shortcomings, AND the fact that I don't have to lug around a Batman utility belt for three devices, the iPhone is the NATURAL progression from the TH55. I love the Iphone 3g! My TH55 is still extremely cool but Sony let us down. The Treo is OK but is just too corny. The beauty of this forum is that more innovations are going to spring from these discussions. It's good to be back!

DanT

07-27-2008, 11:25 PM

And here's my current screenshot of apps. Notes are in Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsuplido/2707705683/).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2707705683_889b89922f_o.jpg

:cool: :D

Thanks for the tip on screen capture. That is slick.

I turned on the iPhone after taking a screenshot later and forgot that I was still in Photos. It looks just like the original home screen. Then I was wondering why the screen was locked up. Double tapping an icon just makes the icon bigger. LOL. :rolleyes: :o

Also Labyrinth LE is a cool game that is unique for iPhone. I haven't seen it in Palm.

dmale7

07-28-2008, 07:17 AM

DanT, I noticed that you have OmniFocus. How do you Like it? I also see that you have Cydia. Since I held out until the 3g came out I haven't been involved in unlocking and jailbreaking the iphone. Would you mind sharing some tips and tricks? And do you all think that iPhone needs a thread of its own? Also, are there websites that you would recommend where I can learn more about jailbreaking and hacking the iphone. I know I can Google it but I like to be introduced to new friends, if you know what I mean.

DanT

07-28-2008, 08:49 PM

First of all, that was Joel's screenshot, so please asked him about OmniFocus & Cydia.

Tips:
I would read iPhone forum in everythingicafe.com (http://www.everythingicafe.com/) and read Zibri's blog in ZiPhone.org (http://www.ziphone.org/)

dmale7

07-28-2008, 10:11 PM

Oh! I see. Sorry... and Thanks!

Joel

07-30-2008, 12:09 AM

@tenex
I meant adding your own ebooks to be read by eReader.

Thanks for the clarification. AFAIK, the screenshot shortcut was previously undocumented (and worked pre-2.0)... thought it was still undocumented.

@DanT
Tapping on screenshot in Photos happened to me too! Scared me a bit too. LOL.

@dmale7
I'm a GTD fan so OmniFocus is perfect. It will be overkill or complicated if you're just after tasks or todo. If that's the case, the built-in Notes will be enough. ZenBe Lists is also a good alternative (and syncs online too).

and everyone, iPhone discussions can also be put in the "Cellphones" forum... because it's a phone. :)

mickymick

07-30-2008, 12:35 AM

Joel

07-30-2008, 08:38 AM

@mickymick I believe the best way is to use The Missing Sync (http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_iphone_win.php?source=jul08_windowsiphone) (Windows. There's also a Mac version.). It will cost you $39.95 but I think it will be worth it.

For the iPhone equivalents:
Contact - Contacts
DateBook - Calendar
To-Do - Notes (there are also a lot of other apps via the iTunes App Store)

bobinnv

07-31-2008, 06:21 PM

Hi DanT,

Sounds like you are enjoying your iPhone. Happy for you. :)

Questions:

1. I use the the Palm PIM softwares (Contact, DateBook, To-Do) extensively and have many years of data. Any similar iPhone apps out there that have same/similar functions as these Palm OS PIM apps?

2. Are you able to migrate your Palm OS PIM data to iPhone?

Thanks in advance!

cheers!

mm

p.s. My TH55 had been in the cabinet for almost a year after I switched to Treo 755p. I just recharged it up over the weekend and it fired up like brand new! :) :) :)

This is my biggest problem with the iPhone/Touch: the PIM apps aren't even close to stuff like DateBk on the Palm. The built-in Calendar and Contact apps are adequate, and look nice, and get backed up during a sync, but are pretty bare bones.

There is no built-in Task program - I have been using Zenbe, which works stand alone, or syncs with the Zenbe website. But there is no way, for instance, to see todays appointments and todos on the same screen like with DateBk or Agendus. There is also no good Notes program - the built-in Notes don't sync with anything, and in fact, I don't think there is any way to move text (for instance, Palm notes) onto the iPhone or Touch.

There are some ereaders for read only access to text, and you can use mail to get/edit text on the iPhone, but that's about it.

I am still using my TH55 for scheduling and task management, and hoping some better PIM apps turn up for the iPhone. But of course for email or surfing the web, the iPhone is way better than any Palm device, which is why I keep using it..

Tenex

08-01-2008, 11:01 AM

@tenex
I meant adding your own ebooks to be read by eReader.

I don't know eReader but have a look at Stanza, its free.

Haven't really read eBooks on anything since my Psion 3c died, the s5 touchscreen used to give me a headache after a while.

DanT

08-01-2008, 12:27 PM

iPhone PIM is good enough for me. I like the way the Calendar for my business and private are being separated by iTune 7.7.1. My business Outlook Calendar shows in iPhone Calendar in "Calendar" tab, while my personal Calendar in "Home" tab. To see both calendars, I just select "All" tab. Whatever personal appointments that I add to the "personal" tab will not show in my business Outlook Calendar when I sync iPhone to the Outlook.

Joel

08-01-2008, 06:50 PM

I don't know eReader but have a look at Stanza, its free.

Haven't really read eBooks on anything since my Psion 3c died, the s5 touchscreen used to give me a headache after a while.
So far so good with eReader. At least I have about a hundred of unread books in there :) I have tried textReader via Cydia but then I have to ftp content from my desktop to the iphone. textReader does have a nice feature of downloading content via a url.

I'm sure there's a way to ftp content for Stanza. It may be free but it's beta and the devs admit they'll charge for the final version. Thanks for the tip. I might try it out soon.

Joel

08-01-2008, 07:01 PM

Like what DanT said, the iPhone's PIM capability is very basic. It wasn't designed to be a "PDA" the way we know it.

I have to say that OmniFocus has "taken over" my iPhone.

OmniFocus is like DateBk and Agendus but it's more category based (it's based on the GTD concept). There is a "Due Soon" and "Overdue" selection that is more useful for me than a Today view. Note taking is task-based too so that makes my notes much more easier for me to handle. Here's Getting Started with Getting Things Done (http://www.43folders.com/2004/09/08/getting-started-with-getting-things-done) at 43folders. :)

Joel

08-01-2008, 08:43 PM

The iPod touch is good enough, said Lifehacker (http://lifehacker.com/399619/forget-the-iphone++the-ipod-touch-is-good-enough).

mark krebs

08-12-2008, 06:10 PM

Guys,

I would like to add to the list (in favor of Clie) the graffiti. If you only consume data, you can deal with a stupid keyboard I guess, (and a touchscreen keyboard is pretty stupid) but to actually chat, or respond to e-mail, or enter an address, you need graffiti. I've got say, I love that feature above most all other Palm capabilities. I can do graffiti 1 faster than I can print, can't you?
The Clie camera is inadequate, but I would (will!) stay with my th-55 if I can only get versamail working. That's part of the reason for my post: MY clie problem is that I can't sync to my e-mail, neither google nor work. My Tx (versamail) and centro can, but the Tx graphic input is dying. Centro has a damn keyboard. Can anyone help me figure out my SW problems on the Clie?

LanMan

08-13-2008, 07:58 AM

You can buy Snappermail, or Agengus mail. They should work on the Clie TH55.

mark krebs

08-16-2008, 09:57 AM

Thanks, I will look into that. Do those other mail programs sync outlook calendar, contacts as well? I think that, plus some way to get gmail (eg IMAP) is my bare minimum. If I can fix that stuff, I'll be in nirvana. If I have to use intellisync & sync with my computer instead of over the wifi, that'll be an acceptable second best. (tryin' not to switch to iPhone)

Best regards,
Mark

LupeValenz

08-17-2008, 02:52 AM

I have to admit apple really made me drool looking at that iPhone 3g but I can't see myself going to ATT. The price of sprint is making me happy. I do love the touch and I thought it would have replaced my th55 but it can't. The thought I loved about the touch was the great web browser and the slick email inteface. After a while I found that I hate using the touch email. I will view emails on my touch but for replying, no way. I just hate that hold delete button for who knows how long just to delete a paragraph. Now the touch is mostly my web browser/email viewer, podcast and music player and of course a video player. Apple really need to give us a way to highlight text and delete/copy/paste. They have a lil status bar along the top,just let us tap one side of the time to bring up an editing menu or something.

mark krebs

08-18-2008, 09:50 AM

ok, I looked into the recommended mail apps.
Agendus works nice, but MSExchange is a necessary evil governing my calendar so unfortunately I absolutely MUST sync with it. Versamail does that (but won't run on my clie.) Any other options anybody knows of?

xell

08-19-2008, 08:02 PM

I have to admit apple really made me drool looking at that iPhone 3g but I can't see myself going to ATT.
That's why I haven't purchased an iphone yet either. Don't want AT&T.

I do love the touch and I thought it would have replaced my th55 but it can't. The thought I loved about the touch was the great web browser and the slick email inteface.
I do a lot of reading on my th55 using isilo. How is the itouch for reading?

LupeValenz

09-22-2008, 04:29 PM

That's why I haven't purchased an iphone yet either. Don't want AT&T.

I do a lot of reading on my th55 using isilo. How is the itouch for reading?

Hiya xell ^^/, well I don't do much reading on the Touch, except for the webpages, email and journal notes. In this regard they are nice, I like the smooth fonts and especially the notes page because it makes it look like pencil writing. I read that there is an ebook reader availiable for the Touch, (jailbroken), I just saw that there is iSilo availiable for the touch as well and people seem to like it. Looks pretty good as well, can be used in portrait and landscape mode. I haven't used both since I don't read ebooks as much as i used to, now I'm just spoiled by Audible.

olderTechnology

09-25-2008, 12:27 PM

I've just taken the next small step towards my iPod Touch and away from the TH55. I downloaded a $1.95 application called Folders so that I could store PDFs locally on my Touch. The PDF reader (presumably the same one built into Safari) is so much better on the Touch than anything available on a PalmOS device.

The Folders app is a little clumsy but the price is right. Hello to yet another offline reading option. But we still have a long way to go before the iPod or iPhone is a decent PDA.

LupeValenz

09-26-2008, 07:22 AM

I am too taking a break from my TH55 and stayin with the touch. Ever since I upgraded to 2.0 and downloaded a couple of apps, I'm kinda afraid for palm. Appstore has some nice apps from the Palm side, I downloaded Splash Money and it works great and looks amazing. I love the games that I used on my Palm but now on the touch its even better. EA Sudoku is relaxing and great, Aki Mahjong is awesome. I love seeing Acid Soliatire series as well and Koi Pond is really a stress reliever. Aurora Feint is one incredible game, almost like Puzzle Quest. If Darn apple had put up Podcaster I would have been in heaven. Just waiting for Documents to Go and I'll be happy ^^

tonyreynolds

09-26-2008, 10:26 AM

I jumped-ship as well, but not to the Touch. I got a used iPAQ 4700 and updated the ROM to WM 6.1. When it first came out it was ridiculously expensive at $695, but at $225 newly new with an extra battery, it was a bargain.

The VGA screen is wonderful. The 'touchpad' is not. I have seemless integration with Outlook, which is vital for my work, plus better integration with Office than I had with Dataviz. HP still supports the 4700. Sony has not supported the TH-55 for years...

For me, this will do until I can get something that runs a 16:9 res screen and has better specs. For now, the 3 year-old iPAQ is a pretty hard package to beat.

I sold all of my TH-55 and TG-50 stuff to Dan T. I still love you guys though, so don't kick me out yet...

harpgliss

09-26-2008, 11:19 AM

Hi,

I think I am getting close to letting my TH55 go also.

Have not used it much over the last two years with my switch to the x50V.

Over the last two months though, I went a totally different direction.

I purchased a Nokia Internet Tablet, the N800 and it is very nice.

More of an Itouch type device than a pda though.

But with me not being a big pim user, it is very nice.

Large screen, 800x480 is a joy for internet browsing, watching movies, and reading books are all great.

To tonyreynolds, the 4700 is a great pda and with wm6.1 installed, is totally current too, nice buy.

David

tonyreynolds

09-26-2008, 11:43 AM

I purchased a Nokia Internet Tablet, the N800 and it is very nice. More of an Itouch type device than a pda though... Large screen, 800x480 is a joy for internet browsing, watching movies, and reading books are all great.

To tonyreynolds, the 4700 is a great pda and with wm6.1 installed, is totally current too, nice buy. David

David, thanks for the strokes regarding the 4700. I was SOOOOOOOO hopeful that the N800 would meet my needs, but alas, I gotta have the functionality of a PDA, and the N800 with Maemo just doesn't have that functionality, YET. The screen res is perfect, but the app base just isn't there and to get the most out of it you have to be a Linux programmer...

Tony

harpgliss

09-26-2008, 12:32 PM

Hi,

I know nothing of Linux but I still find I am enjoying it and am slowly learning enough to expand my use of the N800.

The pim functions are disappointing but they do exist to some extent but you can install the garnet virtual app from Access and you can have the Palm functions and add your favorite apps too.

I did install it and uninstalled it as it just took too long to go into it and then go into the program you want, and it is a bit slow to open up.

Thankfully I did not buy it as a pda replacement.

Glad the 4700 is working for you, very classy looking device and I was looking at getting one when I got my Axim, was still rather expensive then though.

David

tonyreynolds

10-31-2008, 06:27 PM

I've got this funny tingling feeling running up my leg...
That thrilling, new technological gizmo feeling...

Some background: I sold all of my TH-55 stuff to DanT (Thanks, Dan!) I replaced the TH-55 (as noted above) with an iPAQ hx4700. 4" VGA screen. I was really enjoying using it, especially the seamless syncing with Outlook Calendar.

The iPAQ just went TU, from one moment to the other...

I've been despondent for the last three days: older PDA, no warranty, HP charges too much to work on it. A $250 BRICK. I was looking at teh new T-Mobile G1, thinking that perhaps I could use Google Calendar and sync Outlook with that (it works well, BTW...)

Then I looked closer at my desk. A few weeks ago I got an 8GB iPod Touch checked-out to me for corporate use. We use them in one of the studios in my facility for changing information displays via a web-based app. They work great: much better than a gyroscopic mouse and WAY better than the Sony micro-PC's that replaced the mice.

So I had this thing sitting in a cradle on my desk for WEEKS before I figured-out how to load MP3's on it. (iTunes is not that intuitive, at least for me.) I've been discovering the joys of walking around with the ripped contents of 150 CD's... (I've never had an MP3 player: always used my PDA...) My hx4700 would skip while walking and playing music. The iPod is rock-solid.

I learned how to sync it with Outlook Calendar today and all of a sudden:

THIS MAY BE IT!!!

Maybe DanT and Lupe, et al have been right all along. This may be the replacement for the TH-55 I've been looking for, but have been too much of a Palm/Clie snob to look at Apple...

The newer Touch looks like it's better, with a volume switch and built-in speaker, but for now, I have the use of this one for free. Since my contract is up with T-Mobile in February, I'll also be looking at other cell carriers and this could push me over the edge to an iPhone. The iTunes App Store is looking much better and it appears that everything I could do with the TH-55 I can do with the Touch.

Tony

DanT

10-31-2008, 07:24 PM

Good for you Tony. Don't forget to try the Maps with built-in GPS if you ever get iPhone3G. It's :cool: to have.

I like the way iPhone separating my Outlook calendar for business with my personal one.

So far I'm happy with it.

LupeValenz

11-01-2008, 01:06 PM

Heya there Tony, glad to hear you might consider the iPhone/touch as your next PDA and I have to say you won't be disappointed. I am having more fun with my touch than I have with my clie. Slowly but surely with the apps being released my iPod touch is becoming as capable as my clie TH55. I love the fact that the 2nd generation iPod allows mic-in capability so there goes the voice recording function and I already downloaded Griffin iTalk since it was free. Now I am just waiting to find a good mic+headphone combination. I am picky about my headphones and I'm not sure the apple will be of good quality.
I also just found out about the calendars colors. It took a while thinking it would show up if I had the appointments separated by category but now I found out I needed to make new calendar profiles. Weird but after seeing the colors, I made 5 calendar profiles for work/personal/bills/income/Misc. I love seeing at a glance whats coming up with the colors.
Also the big thing now for me lately is the games, I use this as a puzzle/time waster and the games I had on my Clie..on the touch its so much better. I love the Acid Solitaire collection that replaced Acid freecell, Asia Mahjong was replaced by Aki Mahjong, Resco Sudoku was replaced by EA Sudoku, then there is EA tetris, Bejeweled 2, Numba, Shinro and Block Breaker Deluxe 2.
Its really a great PDA but I have to say, the sound quality isn't that good from the internal speaker. I mostly use it as my alarm. Music sounds horrible coming out from that internal speaker. Well hope you enjoy that touch of yours ^_^/ Have a great day.

tonyreynolds

11-01-2008, 07:47 PM

I am having fun with the Touch.

The only fly in the ointment that I can see so far is that there is NO CUT AND PASTE. I use that function AL THE TIME.

That said, I'm getting better with the pop-up keyboard and have started to find apps to replace what I used on the Clie/HP.

I found a great Klondike card game for FREE, "CardShark" and have downloaded BibleReader, which looks great. Also found a great screen saver called "NixieClock".

I purchased the iPod Phone/Touch 2.1 upgrade for $9.95. Mail for now is Gmail, but that works fine on the run.

Despite what others have said regarding having to buy apps thru the Apple App Store, it's EXTREMELY convenient, and the prices are reasonable.

My wife told me that I should look at getting the iPAQ 210, which is what I really wanted to replace the TH-55 in the first place, but got the used hx4700 to save money (about half...) I told her that the iPAQ 210 is still going to set us back almost $400 and at this point, I'd rather put those dollars elsewhere, as I have the use of the Touch for free. I will probably part-out the dead hx4700 on eBay. The new Touch is appealing, especially the 32GB model, but I have 80% of that unit with this one with the OS upgrade installed. I only lack the internal speaker and external volume control: nice to have, but I can wait for later.

I have A LOT of eBooks form Project Gutenberg, and will be looking for a reader for them. Audio books on the iPod look promising.

Keeping some version of the Touch would give me most of what the iPhone does, without the phone portion, at a much cheaper monthly cost, as I would have no data plan.

My company will be changing carriers soon from Sprint to someone else. I will no make any decisions on our personal carrier switch until the company gets settled with a new carrier. I would not want to duplicate services.

Right now I'm somewhat concerned about being able to take notes in meetings with anything approaching the speed of Graffiti. That and the cut & paste thingy...

Tony

tonyreynolds

11-01-2008, 07:51 PM

Good for you Tony. Don't forget to try the Maps with built-in GPS if you ever get iPhone3G. It's :cool: to have.

So far, even without true GPS, the Locate feature is AMAZING. I've been looking at a Garmin 60csx for my motorcycle and bike as well as hikes. The iPhone *might* be a good substitute for the Garmin, but I am no aware if there are topo maps available for it. My guess is not, at least yet. A Garmin 60 csx is about $400 with software. A Zumo is $600. The iPhone is $300.

So many toys, so little cash-ola...

:)

LupeValenz

11-01-2008, 11:29 PM

I have A LOT of eBooks form Project Gutenberg, and will be looking for a reader for them. Audio books on the iPod look promising.

Tony

Good evening ^_^, I'll chime in on a free ebook reader called Stanza. Its a great app and its kinda like an app store for ebooks. You can go into it and search for books and download them directly from your ipod. It will then open up in Stanza. There is this good article (http://www.pg-news.org/20081031/apple-iphone-touch-stanza-and-project-gutenberg/) about getting Project Gutenberg books source added to stanza. The main feature I love about Stanza is they added the ability to browse through your library using coverflow. Its a good way just looking at the title cover and opening up the book. Hope that helps out with your decision ^_^.

tonyreynolds

11-02-2008, 04:05 PM

xell

11-02-2008, 04:58 PM

I don't have an ipod Touch (yet), but I do own a Mac and here are a few sites that have ipod Touch forums you might to check out.

http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103

The best ipod website.... http://www.ilounge.com/

Their ipod touch forum: http://forums.ilounge.com/forumdisplay.php?f=106

http://itouchtips.wordpress.com/

LupeValenz

11-02-2008, 09:57 PM

Your welcome. Xell posted some good sites and I would recommendhttp://www.ipodtouchfans.com as well.

olderTechnology

11-03-2008, 01:09 PM

tonyreynolds

11-03-2008, 01:31 PM

Wow, it sounds like an avalanche of support for iPhone/Touch here. I'm the lone voice crying in the wilderness that "I can't take notes on that thing" and "where is my Cut-n-Paste?". Never mind Plucker and Bible+ (in which I have 22 translations and/or commentaries). Aaargh.

I was considering going to a Centro in January when my contract comes up. That way I can still have the PalmOS for another couple years while the iPhones and their imitators come up to speed. But, there won't be any forums left to ask questions in, I guess! It will have to "just work"!

I agree with you regarding the cut and paste. iPod users have been asking for this since Day 1. As for the commentaries and other software, I've paid mucho diniero to Laridian for stuff that is now useless to me.

The Centro is a non-starter for me because of the tiny screen.

I woulda never thunk that the Touch was that great, but in the last 5 days of using it, my eyes have been opened...

TR

Aces

11-03-2008, 02:32 PM

Wow, it sounds like an avalanche of support for iPhone/Touch here. I'm the lone voice crying in the wilderness that "I can't take notes on that thing" and "where is my Cut-n-Paste?". Never mind Plucker and Bible+ (in which I have 22 translations and/or commentaries). Aaargh.

I was considering going to a Centro in January when my contract comes up. That way I can still have the PalmOS for another couple years while the iPhones and their imitators come up to speed. But, there won't be any forums left to ask questions in, I guess! It will have to "just work"!

No. You are not the only one who's not clamoring for a Touch. But many of us that don't want to go in that direction, completely skip threads in a TH-55 forum that mentions a device that's not a TH-55. I read threads like this because I enjoy learning about new technology. But I haven't even "touch"ed a Touch yet (pun intended). So obviously, I have no information to help in a thread like this one.

LupeValenz

11-03-2008, 06:45 PM

I'll take a look.

Can either DanT, Lupe or Joel offer a recommendation on any good iPod Touch/Phone forums?

Also, isn't the note applet supposed to rotate to a bigger keyboard when the Tuch is turned on its side?

I feel guilty posting iPod questions on a Clie site, but this community has been my home for the last 5 1/2 years.

:)

Opps, I missed that part about the note landscape keyboard. Afraid the default app doesn't handle that but there is a third party app called Rainbow Note* (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=293796980&mt=8) that has landscape support for its notepad. Hopefully this could be a good option for you.
I would have to say give this a try, its called WritingPad* (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=285484703&mt=8), it doesn't give landscape support but it does allow you to play with a new style of input for the ipod. No more typing, just sliding your finger along the letters also, its free so can't hurt to try ^_^.

Hope these choices help you out and also, the * means they open links in iTunes again.

Enjoy.

Lupe