The Official "Will you pay Dmitry $20 for SDHC" Thread

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We seem to have a bunch of discussion threads on this topic scattered throughout 1src, so I thought I'd make one poll thread Dmitry can check to see how close he is.

Here's the deal:
Dmitry has stated that if 100 people state in good faith that they will pay $20, he will write an SDHC driver for the T|X, Lifedrive, T|T5 and any other SD-only devices that share the same hardware/OS with these devices.

If someone would link to this thread in all of the other ones, that would be appreciated.

Feel free to leave comments, but only actual votes will count.

Here's a first: a quote from further down the thread:
support for T|C, T|E2, T|T3, and Zire 31 should also be easy to add after i get the T5/TX/LD/Z72 driver working. There is a small possibility for T|E, T|T, T|T2, and a slightly higher possibility for Zodiac and iQue... but all that is later... this thread is only for Tx/T5/LD people please

Updates on the project status (Currently entering private beta testing as of this edit) are available at http://palmsdhc.blogspot.com/

[cyberdude]

Count me in! I left this in another thread, but thought it would be best to repeat it in the "official" thread. :)

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Don't forget to actually vote :)

[tk_421]

With no new Palm PDA in sight, I would definitely buy it. Having 8 or 16GB on my TX would be pretty cool. Not to mention the increased speeds.

I'll probably live another year with my TX, and then hop to either a Palm Nova smartphone (if it has wifi and a decent size screen), or maybe the iPhone if my Palm apps are released for it. But having SDHC on my TX in the menatime would be a major convenience.

[druido]

I'm interestd in buying the patched sdhc driver for my palm TX because I think it 's the last handheld by Palm and I don't like to have a smartphone but two separeted device (handheld and mobile phone). I need memory for my TX in the future.

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After 3 hours, we're almost 10% of the way there :) Let's see where we're at tomorrow evening!

[dmitrygr]

support for T|C, T|E2, T|T3, and Zire 31 should also be easy to add after i get the T5/TX/LD/Z72 driver working. There is a small possibility for T|E, T|T, T|T2, and a slightly higher possibility for Zodiac and iQue... but all that is later... this thread is only for Tx/T5/LD people please

[rick10254]

I'm in, and I voted. It's a great idea, one that hardware makers should have pursued. tia Dmitry.

[reb2]

It would be nice to be able to put most or all of my movies on one memory card. I gave it a vote and am looking forward to seeing a driver so I can put an 8g or 16g card in my TX

[joemun]

As I said before, count me in...

[icefireicefire]

Im in if you get Zodiac working :-).

[aleksanderpolo]

The price difference between non-standard 4Gb SD and SDHC pays for itself, not to mention the potential to go 16Gb... sweet!

[tk_421]

What about the Zire 71? I'd buy it for both my TX and handy little Zire 71 if it was possible.

I really can't wait for this.

[vovka1965]

yess yess please yes

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20% in 6 hours... we're still on track ;)

[owl]

There's only one thing that's better than a big SD-card: A bigger SD-card :D
Count me in, I'd buy it for my TX and my LifeDrive (so my vote should count for 2)
For the LD you could also find a way to put a bigger CF in it - 32GB CFcards are getting cheaper and cheaper :)

[jigwashere]

I voted 'none of the above.' I wouldn't commit to purchasing the driver, but if it were available, I might consider it. My TX is no longer my primary PDA since I purchased the 755p. I also have a lot of SD cards for my TX. But as SDHC prices drop and capacities increase, it'd be really cool to have more storage capacity (32GB? :D).

dmitrygr, you've done a lot for the Palm community!

[janchan]

Awesome idea! I do own a number of Palm OS devices but excluding the T680, the TX is possibly the last dependable gorgeous screen versatile Palm. So, sure, I will buy. Oh yeah! This Dmitry guy (like Pruss) is an amazing programmer! Palm would be dull without such innovative developers.

[wiggd]

I have been watching these threads since the begining. I am in for the SDHC driver and the Ram Resizing / Repartitioning of the LD.

[palmgeek5394]

Heck yeah!! :D :D :D Wooo Hooooo! :D I'd pay twenty bucks for sure! I'd even beta test for ya! ;) Though this driver alone might actually help save Palm from going *gasp* defunct. I was about to go to Ipaq 111 for that reason, but even modern versions of WM are a PITA and require too much frickin' maintenance. Though if you actually did this, this would probably be one of the greatest things ever! :cool: :D :D :D

[BrentDC]

I've TamsPalm'ed this: link (http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/03/22/would-you-like-to-use-sdhc-memory-cards-on-your-tx-t5-or-lifedrive/) ;)

[Alan G]

This does sound like a cool project, but I've moved on to the Treo as my primary device already. I've voted that I have no (financial) interest in this project. But I will keep reading this thread.

Alan G

[Kyle_]

Count me in, too. I don't like limits and think this would be great for my TX.

Kyle

[macshimidh]

Count me in!!!

[dancinggoat]

This is so important to me I would be willing to pay $30.

[Sam100]

I have voted in favour of the idea. I am really looking forward to using a SDHC card in my TX!

[Mithinco]

Count me in! I want my TX to last as long as possible.

[krispy]

As in other threads, definitely count me in!! (Voted.)

Hey, I would pay $40, can I vote twice?... :D

[xj-boonie]

I voted yes. :)

[oldsurfdog]

I voted yes. In this day and age there is not much you can get for $20:
6 gallons of gas
5 lattes
3 trips to the movie theater
4 popcorns at the movie theater
4 six packs of beer
1 new hardback bestseller
1/2 bag of dog food
3 bottles of wine
a variety of palm apps that may not be as useful
I rest my case!

[thierry2064]

I voted yes too. For 13 € in France you can only have 2.5 gallons of gas, but 4 bottles of Bordeaux wine... :D

[egredos]

To break the mem limit of my TT3 and get a read/write driver for 4GB?
DEFINITELY I WILL LOVE TO DO IT!!!

All my desperate attempts to read a 4GB have frustrated me a lot....

[Electro68]

I have 2 LD can i vote twice? :p

Count me in !

It will be great whit the Ram Resizing / Repartitioning app.
:D

[palmgeek5394]

I have 2 LD can i vote twice? :p

Count me in !

It will be great whit the Ram Resizing / Repartitioning app.
:D

Hmmm. Instead of editing the Drive Mode app and making fifteen+ cards out of one built-in CF, it'd be easier to just have one big SDHC volume. :) And SDHC prices are dropping. (Same with really big CF cards.)

[LupeValenz]

I've voted no because I don't have these palm devices and mostly been using my iPod Touch along with my Treo 755P. I do hope it does come true for those sticking with them classic palms to get higher SD card support. I now know how good it feels to be free from the 2GB max support., to be able to carry alot more podcasts instead of shuffling out memory cards. :D

[Jupiter]

I'd buy it for my TX, and if it supports the iQue, I'd buy a copy for that too.

P.S. I don't expect this to be a problem, but I want it out here anyway: It would have to be a good solid driver.

[olebl]

Absolutely! Twice that, even.


Ole.

[RolfY]

Good (and original) programming deserves buying, so count me in.

[elrrbmrt]

I have 2 LD's and would buy it for both but can only vote once - add another vote for my other LD!

Is read or write any faster on SDHC than SD?

[Another Michael]

Yes! Definitely!

[montecristo1]

Sold my TX, went back to my TC. If I had it, I would vote YES. I will pay $30 Dmitry for one for my TC. I can only go up to 1GB. I can only put two complete movies (converted) and a couple of songs. Now if I had 4GB, that would be sweet. :D

[cdtd17]

Yeeeees!!!!!

We hunger for new apliacciones of Dmitry! :) :) :)

[ww1900]

YEEEEESSSS. Please

[birdilicious]

go on dim .... go for it!

[laguirrehdez]

Yes! Definitely! If I can use in my LifeFlash Sandisk cards like:

- SanDisk Ultra® II SDHC™ Plus 8GB (USB flash drive) or
- SanDisk Ultra® II SDHC 32GB

to get more songs in pTunes, movies in TCPMP, office files in DocsToGo, and manage all my files in Resco Explorer 2008, you bet I'll pay more than $20

[r0k]

I voted only if needed to make 100. I'm hoping this gets brought over to the Treo 650, 700p, etc at some point.

[palmmann]

seeing as soon i'm going to be buying a lifedrive solely because of dmitry's work with larger cfs, i don't see why not throw in an extra 20 to get another 16gb of removable storage. 80gb of flash storage in a palm pilot... (32cf+32cf+16sdhc)that's amazing. even if it will end up costing me about $400 plus dmitrysoft if prices don't come down too much... but totally worth it.

dmitry is my hero

[I love my mom]

I would buy it without hesitation (providing it works :))

[krisminefee]

Having purchased from Dmitry before and having faith in his ability and seeing my need for a larger card, I would gladly pay at least $20 for this driver.

[Another Michael]

dmitry is my hero

Someone has already build a statue for him ...

You can see dimitry on his loyal horse fighting all known borders on Palm PDAs with his holy sword.

[vovka1965]

Hey,
We are essentially there! Better start pricing out those 8GB cards! I wonder what the access speed would be compared to non SDHC 4GB..

:)

[sgosnell]

I already have several 1 & 2 GB cards that I have little other use for. My LD is on its last legs, and as soon as I get a decent password manager for my N800 it's going into the drawer. I'm not willing to invest more money in it, for little or no return. Thanks anyway.

[vovka1965]

I voted yes too. For 13 € in France you can only have 2.5 gallons of gas, but 4 bottles of Bordeaux wine... :D
Hey, maybe the car should drink Bordeaux, too!

[ftwitty]

Hey, maybe the car should drink Bordeaux, too!
But the car would then be drunk driving...... :eek:
We're almost at the 100 mark. :D I voted yes..

[joemun]

we are almost there...in palm forums in spanish a bunch of people are eagerly waiting too...i feel like i am in xmas eve...

[PalmSole]

My T3 and T5 would love to have a new lease on life :p

[vovka1965]

I hope Dmitry is reading this thread.. :D :)

[nabehisa2000]

Yes! Definitely!

[pseudofilosofen]

I will gladly pay dimitry 25 $ before he develops the driver - Where can I pay?

Regards,
Anders H.

[cyberqueen]

Since 99 people have said "yes, definitely" and 8 more have said they'd pay $20 if their vote was needed to reach 100, it looks as if Dmitry'd better get to work!! :)

[ftwitty]

and now there are 100.... :D

[palmgeek5394]

Cool! :D Let's hope this works... :)

[Mithinco]

Wow, we hit 100. Are you going to do it Dmitry? :)

[dmitrygr]

how many users NOT registered in the last 5 days are there who voted yes?

[ftwitty]

how many users NOT registered in the last 5 days are there who voted yes?
I'm not sure what you mean with "registered." The poll is only a couple of days old. :confused:

[palmgeek5394]

He means joined 1src in the last few days.

[phreakonaleash]

i'd go through the list but i'm too damned lazy :D

[egredos]

I !
Just registered for the vote.

[N.A.Palm]

Yes. Without a doubt YES!

[Icecruncher]

That was a quick 100.

[kayge]

Long time member....voted yes.....but need it for the Zire72.

[birdilicious]

how many users NOT registered in the last 5 days are there who voted yes?
i only joined so i could vote on this! otherwise i would just browse the forum :D

[potter]

how many users NOT registered in the last 5 days are there who voted yes?
Taking the current 105 yes votes and putting them in user id number order, I find that there are currently 23 which are from user who registered on 3/19 or later (US-EST); thus 82. User id number of 94470 or greater are from 3/19 or later.

Looking at the user id number of those 23, 6 have made posts (I assume to this thread)

Registered 3/21:
94563: George Mari (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94563),
94567: JimD (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94567),
94572: lutzrich (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94572),

Registered 3/22:
94581: bquinlan (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94581),
94582: xj-boonie (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94582),
94585: egredos (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94585),
94586: Harald Brosi (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94586),
94592: gadiyar (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94592),
94594: brockcreek (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94594),
94597: pete1701 (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94597),
94610: eick (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94610),
94613: jotter24 (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94613),
94614: birdilicious (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94614),
94615: stanwuebbels@ya (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94615),
94616: laguirrehdez (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94616),
94619: palmmann (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94619),
94620: krisminefee (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94620),
94621: poopy (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94621),
94623: gamerman (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94623),

Registered 3/23:
94630: uselessinfoman (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94630),
94641: cohofish (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94641),
94645: troubles (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94645),
94647: davidconrad10 (http://www.1src.com/forums/member.php?u=94647)

[lclark2074]

hi iam a newbe but i have gotten software from palmpowerups befor and it works good so sighen me up

[reb2]

I voted yes and have purchased software twice from dmitrgr. I know it is probably alot of work but the sooner it is available the better it will be for making money for dimitry. It appears that when palm split up with the brains of the operation left. Dimitry and Pruss and some others have made it possable for many of us to have a better experience and more usefulness from are palm handhelds. I would really like to have this driver so dimitry please get at it. I believe when you get it working the word will get around to more people who are willing to spend the money on it. I want to be able to use a 8gig or 16gig on my TX.

[Bauke]

I became a memeber especialy for this. This would be great. All my Ebooks and songs and foto's on my Palm. Now only a way to increase the battery life....

[ftwitty]

He means joined 1src in the last few days.
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks
The poll was just a couple of days old when it went over 100, so many more will jump on this; especially when it's done.

[Another Michael]

But the car would then be drunk driving...... :eek:
We're almost at the 100 mark. :D I voted yes..

Lately i see a documentary on tv where they say that the french wine producer counldn't sell their harvest any more (too much wine and not enough wine drinkers) so the sell it to the industry which uses their wine to produce ethanol.

And: The farmer get more money if they sell it to the industry as if they sell it to the wine salesman.

So the pushed their production to sell it ... to the ethanol industrie.

Thats where the Bordeaux goes.

[Anson Chew]

After purchasing two 4G SD card that can only with my Palm TX, y would I install/purchase a SDHC driver that would render both cards useless....

I am all ears if anyone can give me a reason to do so....

[Ka-Efka]

I'm in.
Using my T5 as a media player, I'm really seeking to get rid of the only 2GB capacity limit...

[karialar]

this would be great as i have a T5 that blonged to my late husband do not like the treo like my phone and hanheld seperate thsi new card would mena i do not have to walk around with spare sd cards in my purse

[vovka1965]

After purchasing two 4G SD card that can only with my Palm TX, y would I install/purchase a SDHC driver that would render both cards useless....

I am all ears if anyone can give me a reason to do so....
Are you sure that SDHC driver would prevent you from reading non-SDHC cards??

[hgoldner]

I'd like to see a driver that enables Treo's to see the *real* memory content of SDHC cards. (I still have 2 T|X's, but I'm getting ready to sell them....)

h

[rick10254]

Originally Posted by Anson ChewAfter purchasing two 4G SD card that can only with my Palm TX, y would I install/purchase a SDHC driver that would render both cards useless....I am all ears if anyone can give me a reason to do so....
Are you sure that SDHC driver would prevent you from reading non-SDHC cards??

this is a good technical point, IMHO. I thought I remembered reading that SDHC standard was backward compatible with SD standard, but even if not so, I'd expect to be able to uninstall new driver by DG and reinstall original driver for SD cards (my TX doesn't have Flash ROM)

[dmitrygr]

After purchasing two 4G SD card that can only with my Palm TX, y would I install/purchase a SDHC driver that would render both cards useless....

I am all ears if anyone can give me a reason to do so....


do you REALLY think that an SDHC driver would not support normal SD cards? :eek:

[_Em]

Well, it looks like we might be close to having reached 100 people who would actually pay $20 for an SDHC driver for the T5/LD/TX -- that's stripping out the people who double registered to vote, those who voted yes but want it for some other device, etc. I also know that there are a number of users who registered at 1src specifically to vote on this poll -- coming over from other language forums & brighthand.

According to my lazy statistical calulations, Dmitry can count on around 95 people actually paying $20 +/- 10. That means at least $1800 if a stable SDHC driver is written for those three devices. It sounds like support for the hardware-compatible zires also has enough interest to make it worthwhile to support them; I don't think we'll get much of a picture on real life interest for other-device support until after this driver's already written.

[edit] Thanks also to those of you who took the time to vote "no" -- most people just don't vote if they're a "no", but it helps produce realistic forecasts when people take the time to vote.

[ftwitty]

Ah, now I get it... :o ... it never occurred to me to register anew just to vote a second, third or whatever time.

I'd bet that the driver will sell way over 100 copies when it's available.

[swissquality]

Yes i joined to be able to vote. Yes i would like to make an advance payment to support development. Preferably via Paypal. This is a great idea!

[Grench]

I voted yes, but need the driver to work with my Tapwave Zodiac 2 per the 'somewhat likely' note in post #7.

The Zodiac still has a community of die-hards who aren't giving them up until someone actually makes a better device. To blow the 8GB limit off of the storage capacity would be awesome! Yes, I have two 4GB SD cards running in mine now. Yes, I would love to drop two gigantic SDHC cards into it.

Cross link to the discussion on this that I started on Tapland (The Zodiac community.)
http://tapland.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10528

Thank you!

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So in other words, you voted "yes" but meant to vote for option E? Or do you mean that to support further development for the Zod, you intend to pay Dmitry $20 when he gets it working on the TX?

[LittleHead]

I joined to vote "yes" after following a link from an article on BrightHand. I too would pay in advance if it helps.

I bought a 4gb SD (as opposed to SDHC) from Transend because I heard they work but I've had lock-up trouble using it with my TX so I went back to multiple 2gb cards.

[Grench]

So in other words, you voted "yes" but meant to vote for option E? Or do you mean that to support further development for the Zod, you intend to pay Dmitry $20 when he gets it working on the TX?

If he gets it working on the TX, I'm willing to pay $20 at that point if he agrees to continue to work towards a Zodiac version.

I'm not sure what the driver differences would have to be. I've been using a ported driver to get to my 4GB per SD slot 8GB total capacity now. Hopefully the port from TX to Zodiac will be easy?

Does that help to clarify?

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Yes, it does -- I hope not too many other people voted A when they should have voted E.

The issue is that a hardware driver has to be written to support specific hardware. All the devices listed in this poll contain the same SDIO hardware -- the Zodiac contains different hardware. Hopefully the differences aren't that large, but they might be -- after all, the Treo 680 is very similar to the 650 or the TX depending on what parts of the interior you're looking at, but its SDHC driver isn't compatible with the TX at all, and doesn't work reliably on the 650. The Zodiac was manufactured by a completely different manufacturer in a different OS revision stream, so the chances that a 1:1 hardware match exists are slim to none.

This is why Dmitry wanted to verify that there were enough people willing to pay for the T5/LD/TX driver -- because he has to write a specific piece of code for each specific piece of SD card hardware used in PalmOS devices. Maybe when he's done he'll check and see what devices share hardware with the Zod 2 and do another poll to see if it is worth modifying his driver to support this hardware.

[sgosnell]

One question. Is this driver going into ROM? If not, what happens when (not if) there is a hard reset, and the Palm doesn't recognize the SDHC card, which has the backup of the Palm, including the driver?

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According to my current tally, there are 85 votes that are trustworthy (including votes from the "if needed" category).

For people registering an account here specifically to vote on this poll, please reference another forum you regularly post at and your screen name there. Also please post what device you are using that you want support for.

[joemun]

One question. Is this driver going into ROM? If not, what happens when (not if) there is a hard reset, and the Palm doesn't recognize the SDHC card, which has the backup of the Palm, including the driver?

mmmhh...interesting question... :confused:

[_Em]

One question. Is this driver going into ROM? If not, what happens when (not if) there is a hard reset, and the Palm doesn't recognize the SDHC card, which has the backup of the Palm, including the driver?

The obvious: you need to have the driver backed up via hotsync or some other method (like, say, to a non-SDHC card) to prepare against this eventuality.

Do a weekly backup to a 2GB card and keep nothing on that card except backups -- this way, you can restore from that card, then restore your daily backup from the SDHC card :)

Of course, you could also write the driver to your overflow partition on all the devices listed, which would protect against this setup (hard reset once to get the driver back, then do your backup-restore).

[joemun]

probably that is the solution

[ftwitty]

One question. Is this driver going into ROM? If not, what happens when (not if) there is a hard reset, and the Palm doesn't recognize the SDHC card, which has the backup of the Palm, including the driver?
Now, that is a good question. Since there has been no mention of it being a ROM driver, seems like it would be a hotsync restore. But, Dmitry may have something else in mind. His "NuROM" should make it easy to replace the ROM SD driver with a new SDHC driver and eliminate such a problem.

[dmitrygr]

zofiac is a hard case...i think one of the two slots I CAN make support SDHC, the other probably not

[joemun]

Now, that is a good question. Since there has been no mention of it being a ROM driver, seems like it would be a hotsync restore. But, Dmitry may have something else in mind. His "NuROM" should make it easy to replace the ROM SD driver with a new SDHC driver and eliminate such a problem.

assuming is a Flash Tx...what about a ROM tx?

[Grench]

One question. Is this driver going into ROM? If not, what happens when (not if) there is a hard reset, and the Palm doesn't recognize the SDHC card, which has the backup of the Palm, including the driver?

Those of us using 4GB cards on ported drivers to get past 2GB/card limitations have been overcoming this for quite a while.

Keep a <=2GB card with the driver on it so that you can reinstall the driver in the event of a data wipe reset on the device. Then restore from backup.

Putting the driver in ROM can be a lot more complicated depending on the device and if a ROM source isn't available (Zodiac for example) it can be pretty close to impossible.

[Grench]

zofiac is a hard case...i think one of the two slots I CAN make support SDHC, the other probably not

Make your TX driver work. I'll buy it for $20 just to support development. Make it work on the Zodiac and I'll buy it again for $20. If it can only work on the SD or SDIO slot, thats fine. Does that help?

Thank you for even considering to develop it!

[Silly Rabbit]

I voted yes!

[dmitrygr]

Also for those with questions as to why, here is something i just posted on brighthand.


I am not sure why everyone is so up in arms over the issue. I want to do this just because I want some interesting project to do before I leave college and go off working fulltime. I do not know how much time I will have then, and this project seems fun.
The fact that half of you all seemed to believe it impossible just makes it more fun, and the fact that the other half thinks it's not profitable just makes me want to disprove you.
Furthermore I will never trust my life (datebook, todo, memos) to a smartphone. Yes, i have a treo 680, and guess what? It has TWO 3-rd party apps on it. Bluepill (by me) and TreoWeather (released by GX5, programmed by me). I only use it because it was free. The treos hake horrible PDA and always will. WM "smarthpones" are as sharp as a ballbearing. Other java-wielding phones suck too. The point it - the current smartphones are useless as a PDA, at least in my opinion.
I like my PDA, and as long as that is so I will develop whatever software for it I damn well please. Usually I do not release my software. I only do if the money i'd make is worth the time it'd take to polish it up for release. The world outside of my house sees maybe 10%, if that, of what software I made for my TX. This is just another project I thought the world out there would like. I have plenty of unreleased projects that are cool and just aren't worth the time to polish up to be release worthy, but hat work fine for me. Of the main ones: I have a gba emulator working at more than 100% speed, my own palm-os-binarily-compatible custom OS on the tx based on my own kernel, a few games, a port of minimo, and a few other things. I don't release them because it is not worth it. This driver i thought was. I will write it anyways, because my TX needs it. That poll on 1src just determines of it gets a nice installer supports anything but TX, and gets a public release, that is all.
I hope I cleared up the issue at hand.

[palmgeek5394]

I have bought SkinUI, Warpspeed, and UDMH, and all of them work well. I also have a few more of his freeware apps (Brightnessfix2.tx, Powerclip, and a few others.) ;)

[_Em]

Heh... just checked out the thread at Brighthand; it reminded me why I have an account on 1src but not brighthand :D

[palmgeek5394]

'Cuz everyone is betting how fast Palm will go down? (No, seriously, there was a thread a while back in OT about how fast Palm would slip into obscurity. Pessimists...) :rolleyes:

[cms]

Heh... just checked out the thread at Brighthand; it reminded me why I have an account on 1src but not brighthand :D


You and me both :D

[vovka1965]

Also for those with questions as to why, here is something i just posted on brighthand...

Awesome! :p :p :p :p

[cms]

lol... Brighthand ( I never liked the name)


Who wants somthing bright in their hand??? O.o sounds quite .... ( ill stop while im still ahead :D )

[bluefishCFC]

Hey you guys, BrightHand does not deserve this disrespect.
Everyone has their own opinion of course, but I thought you guys had more sense.
Andy.

[cms]

I was joking :D
though that still doesnt mean that I like the name :D

[joemun]

I've read the Brighthand thread and most of them are waiting for this driver too...except 2 or 3...

[ftwitty]

Hey you guys, BrightHand does not deserve this disrespect.
Everyone has their own opinion of course, but I thought you guys had more sense.
Andy.
Most of us at 1Scr have sense, but apparently some at BrightHand must not have any.

[BrentDC]

Let's not get in a Brighthand vs 1src discussion :rolleyes: I have about the same amount of posts there as here - there's nothing blatantly wrong with either site, IMO.

[FerdFerd]

Most of us at 1Scr have sense, but apparently some at BrightHand must not have any.At least some here apparently think people at Brighthand don't have any. For the most part, I haven't noticed that.

[dmitrygr]

Zodiac wil be fun. slot 2 is handled by the ATI chip and sincei have no desire to deal with it, no SDHC for slot2, slot 1 shows hope, however.

nost PXA25x and 26x are messy as well because they all use different sd controllers. still studying as to which can deal with sdhc

[harpgliss]

Hi,

With the last dozen or so posts, this thread has gone over the edge as so many have done lately here.

Attacking another forum as some have done in this thread, and in the way is has been done, really shows a lack of maturity that has driven longtime members of this site elsewhere.

To those who called for a stop to this attack, I applaud your integrity.

To the attackers, please think before posting the senseless drivel that has permeated the last page of this thread.

Now, there are choices here, attack my message, or move on with the thread in a mature and on subject way.

I would like to see this thread move on in a mature way but am sure I will face some of the same immature posts that has been lobbed at the Brighthand site.

As for the subject of this thread, having this driver would probably be a good thing for those who want it but, again, attacking those who do not need or want it is, at best, silly.

David

[joemun]

Hey Dmitry that mini mozilla that you mentioned works?...mmmhhh...could you let us play with it while you are developing the driver?...just asking...

[eick]

I will buy this for my TX. I found out about this thread from Brighthand and registered just to vote on the poll but probably will stick around.

[eick]

*sorry for the double post*

[vovka1965]

Back to the subject: How do we pay? Will Dmitry set something up through Palm Powerups, I wonder?

[ftwitty]

At least some here apparently think people at Brighthand don't have any. For the most part, I haven't noticed that.
I really don't know. But, I do know this: there are both good and bad everywhere. Dmitry apparently felt it necessary to set someone straight. I don't think he sees everyone at BrightHand as being bad or he wouldn't even bother going there. The few times I've been to BrightHand I didn't think it at all bad. I do like it better here.

Now, I'm looking forward to Dmitry's saying he has started......... :D

[Grench]

Zodiac wil be fun. slot 2 is handled by the ATI chip and sincei have no desire to deal with it, no SDHC for slot2, slot 1 shows hope, however.

nost PXA25x and 26x are messy as well because they all use different sd controllers. still studying as to which can deal with sdhc

Cool. I'm glad it's caught your interest! I had no idea that there were two different controllers handling the SD & SDIO slots. It kind of makes sense though. Otherwise they'd both be one or the other.

Since a lot of people use the WiFi SD or GPS in the SDIO slot, the SD slot is the better option for storage anyway if a choice has to be made.

IMHO its the coolest PDA device ever made. If someone tells you different, then they likely never owned one.

Thank you again for giving it consideration!

[dmitrygr]

which is the sdio slot? 1 or 2?

Cool. I'm glad it's caught your interest! I had no idea that there were two different controllers handling the SD & SDIO slots. It kind of makes sense though. Otherwise they'd both be one or the other.

Since a lot of people use the WiFi SD or GPS in the SDIO slot, the SD slot is the better option for storage anyway if a choice has to be made.

IMHO its the coolest PDA device ever made. If someone tells you different, then they likely never owned one.

Thank you again for giving it consideration!

[Grench]

which is the sdio slot? 1 or 2?

SDIO is slot #2. It is on the top right hand side of the device as you look at the screen.

Zodiac 1 and Zodiac 2 are the same device except for RAM. Zodiac 1 has 32MB and the Zodiac 2 has 128MB.

Same CPU, etc...

[dmitrygr]

sweet. i was thinking of sdhc for slot 1
2 wil be harder since it controlled by ati chip, and the docs for it rate osmewhere between useless and nonexistent

[icefireicefire]

One is fine for me :-)

[Grench]

sweet. i was thinking of sdhc for slot 1
2 wil be harder since it controlled by ati chip, and the docs for it rate osmewhere between useless and nonexistent

We need to find you a testing unit for this. I wonder if anyone has a spare Zod1 lying about to lend into the cause. I'll keep my eyes out for one. In the meantime, if you're serious about this one, post a request over in Tapland. Maybe someone with a spare will let you borrow it for a few months.

You never know.

[dmitrygr]

not yet
not till the ld driver runs

[thenrik]

Hi:

I'll pay $20 as soon as Dimitry starts working on the T/X driver to support the project.

Tom

[icefireicefire]

Do u know how you are going to about making this driver?

[dmitrygr]

yes. using CW 9.3 & plugin Brain2.0 and Grey Goose or Paton shots for clearheadedness

[wozofoz]

OT

Sorry, but after reading those Brighthand comments I have to respond.

I have just reread the thread at Brighthand to find what all the rubbishing is about but I can't find any reason to rubbish it or call it negative unless you only read the No posts.

It should be noted that this project was deemed important enough to be put in 'Headline News'

Here are the figures I got up until Dimity's post:

27 members responded
.
12 said Yes
3 more said Yes if it is available for another device eg: T3
5 more said they are interested but won't commit till they see the finished product
2 said not for me but support the project
5 said No

To sum up, out of 27 people
22 support the project
20 of those 22 have or will pay for it (if it is successfull and available for other devices)
5 are not interested

The only way I can imagine anyone reading that Brighthand thread in a negative way is if they read it through 'angry eyes'.

OT

All the best, woz of oz

[Gwidion]

I'm interessted for my TX an I would buy for 20 bucks! I've voted with yes!

[ProfJonathan]

Long-time user and PalmPowerUps customer, and I voted yes. While I'm not 100% sure how long my T|X will last, the ability to use cheaper, larger cards is a definite plus, so I'm committing my $20, Dmitry. {ProfJonathan}

[Romeol]

Obviously Palm users don't want to see their devices go into oblivion, but it doesn't hurt to have a sense of reality either. It's not as if it were scathing criticism. It's just some realistic analysis. And it would benefit to listen once in a while.

[kdh.berlin]

I've also voted with yes! I'm interessted for my TX

[wiggd]

I've been a member for awhile and I voted yes.

wiggd

[Hook]

It took me a few days to think about it, but I decided yes, I would get this for my TX. Could even prompt me to buy another --crazy, I suppose, but I love my TX.

I think this is great, what you are doing, Dimitry.

[Taron]

Hi Dmitry, im from the german palm user community nexave.de. When i told the community about what you are planning there was many resonnance but also a few quwestions. I was asked if there will be any disadvantages of that driver, for example only sdhc read ability.

[_Em]

First, my apologies for starting a flame fest in this thread; this was not my intention. I think my original post was misinterpreted by some -- I found the Brighthand thread to be identical to the 1src thread, including many of the same posters -- thus, no reason to follow both threads/forums.

Second, SDHC is backwards compatible with SD (that is, SD cards work with SDHC drivers).

I'm curious about the Zod and its distinction between SD and SDIO -- is slot 1 truly SD-only with no SDIO capability? Devices have downstream support as follows:
MMC (memory card functions)
SD (MMC + extra paging channels and higher throughput)
SDIO (SPI bus mandatory, uses SD pinout for 3rd party hardware communication)

Of course, any SDIO devices require their own drivers; a single driver is all that is needed for SD(HC)+MMC functionality.

The next things on my wishlist after an SDHC driver are USB Host and RS232 SDIO cards :)

[Grench]

I'm curious about the Zod and its distinction between SD and SDIO -- is slot 1 truly SD-only with no SDIO capability?

Yes.
Slot 1 = only SD/MMC. I keep a 4GB SD (not SDHC) card in slot 1.
Slot 2 = SDIO - but only a few devices will work in it due to driver bits. There is a 802.11b card that works (I have one) and a camera (limited - have one) and a GPS card (don't have one). A lot of the IO for these users gets handled through the internal Bluetooth. 99% of the time I just keep a 4GB SD (not SDHC) card in slot 2. I have 3 Patriot 4GB SD (not SDHC) cards that I swap on it. I'd love to put a 16GB card (or larger as price/availability allows) in it.

For me it is a PDA & 8GB MP3 player & movie player & mobile web surfing (via bluetooth through phone) & picture display from my SD camera & game console. Once you have controls on both sides of a landscape screen, it is very hard to go back.

[lclark2074]

will this driver give problem wih t5 wifi card

[dmitrygr]

i hope to support sdio as well, so wifi card should work.

[_Em]

Of course, any SDIO devices require their own drivers; a single driver is all that is needed for SD(HC)+MMC functionality.

SDIO cards use their own drivers -- if your wifi card has an MMC interface on it as well, the SDHC driver should handle that part just fine.

[edit] assuming Dmitry handles SDIO SPI passthrough in his driver, which he's indicated just above that he plans to :}

[dmitrygr]

my first priority is getting SD to work on LifeDrive (easiest platform to test on for me currently)
after that SDHC
after that MMC
after that SPI
after that TX
after that T5
after that publish
after that Z72 (since i have one)
after that publish
after that T|T3 (since i have one)
after that publish
after that not sure...

[thgpdt]

That would be worth the 20 $ ! :D

[_Em]

IIRC, SD supercedes the MMC interface -- if you implement all the SD specs, you can automatically handle MMC. That should take one step out of your plan ;)

[dmitrygr]

not quite...there are some differences that need to be handled differently

[friendwilder]

I recently bought a new 4GB SD Card for my T|X (now, I have two) because, I though that you had forgotten the project, but If your driver for SDHC makes my palm possible to use 32GB SDHC cards, that would be great!

I had voted;

If the count here needed my vote to make 100 I would.

Do you plan to make cheaper or more expensive the driver after the release? I want to say that it could be good from you, a better price for the people who initially support the project.

If you consider, I would be happy to contribute with you right now, I want to say, before the release, if the project does not work for some causes, I would accept software from your webpage.

Thanks,

What is the tentative date of the first release?

[jeffhoward001]

You KNOW I'm in since I started the last TX/SDHC driver poll on 1src :-)

Thanks again for taking this seriously. Once the word gets out, I think you'll find far more customer than what's portrayed in these forums.

- Jeff

[joemun]

Just imagine this...A SDHC driver and the Konqueror (Webkit) browser, this summer...I hope...

[icefireicefire]

Don't we all :-)

[krispy]

I am eagerly awaiting your release. It will breathe new life in my TX's. I, to this day, do not understand why Palm did not take you and other programmers under their wing during the last few years to keep them on top. Seems like they have blinders on for the real power PDA's, only just the limited smart phones they're hawking. Great news that this will be coming! I'm sure once the word gets out on the Palm sites of the release, you will be repaid way beyond your initial request...

Bravo, bravo, bravo!!!

[Dekaritae]

I vote yes. An SDHC driver would convince me to sidegrade from my Zodiac to a T|X.

[MD_Brite]

Yes!!! I'm all for this, I mean the LD was supposed to be the flagship of the Palm line at the time, and it con only use a 2GB SD card, come on!!! I believe this will open the door for a lot of other possibilities...maybe upgrading the 4GB size on the microdrive on the LD? I am glad that there are good people out there to have the drive and ambition to do something like this.

[_Em]

Just so people know, the other issue with implementing a full SDHC driver is that the spec costs over $2,000 (plus extensions) and is under NDA. So, Dmitry basically has to do a clean-room implementation of the entire thing by reverse engineering each device which is a LOT of work.

[Icecruncher]

Actually if (when) you get this done, I'm in for two.

One for my Lifedrive and one for my wife's TX.

[DatesOnMyPalm]

Just found this thread after purchasing 2 Transcend 4GB cards (not the 150X versions) for my T/X, that did not work and searching for answers.

I love my T/X. Count me IN!

I do have a "math" question, tho. Dmitry needed 100 users at $20. So far, we have 152 (153 with me) for $20, 27 for something less than $20, and 17 for $20 if we couldn't get the initial 100. That adds up to 197.

Does that mean if 3 more sign up, we could go to 200 @ $10 each?

[dmitrygr]

from my profits subtract $2500 i'll have to pay to get the full SDHC specs...

so i get 200*20 - 2500 = 1500

[ftwitty]

Hopefully, it'll be a lot more than $1500 profit.

[icefireicefire]

plus everyone not at 1src...

[sttrebo]

what about those of use who'd pay more? i would...

[icefireicefire]

And those :-)

[_Em]

Well, those are offset by the people who voted but won't actually pay $20 for a T5/LD/TX driver.

[cyberdude]

There seems to be a lot of interest over at BrightHand.

[Taron]

If dmitry will also develop a SDHC driver for the Zod i would by 2. To fullfill all of my wishes he should develop a WPA-Driver for the Wi-Fi-Card. :)

[potter]

Taking the current 105 yes votes and putting them in user id number order, I find that there are currently 23 which are from user who registered on 3/19 or later (US-EST); thus 82. User id number of 94470 or greater are from 3/19 or later.
Another check: Of the 154 current yes votes, there are now 119 from users registered 3/18 or earlier and 35 from users registered 3/19 or later.

[_Em]

The next cross-reference is to see how many yes votes are from people who have posted in the TX/LD/T5 forums before 3/19 :)

[Deceptitech]

Just point me in the direction of the driver, and the way to pay for it.

I work at a call center, and there are several people who own a TX. I know if they could get the drivers they would.

[ftwitty]

Well, those are offset by the people who voted but won't actually pay $20 for a T5/LD/TX driver.
The only sure way of knowing who is going to pay is to require pre-payment. If Dmtry doesn't get what he wants, he returns the money to those who did pay.

[thenrik]

Hi:

I second Fwitty's idea of pre-payment. I'm sure that most folks would be willing, after all it's the kingly sum of $20. Even If some users were not willing ,again I'm sure that enough folks would pre-pay to make it worth Dmitry's effort.

So Dmitry, why not set up a pre-payment option at palmpowerups?

Tom

[dmitrygr]

no. returning would be a nightmare. and guaranteeing success in a bounded time is no less of a nightmare

[harpgliss]

Hi,

I understand the excitement of this for a lot of people but chill.

My understanding is dmitrygr has a lot of work ahead to make this a reality and does not need all the added pressure of this fervor that is going on in this thread.

Let him get the tools he needs and give him some space to work on this without the constant, almost fanatical enthusiasm going on here.

Do you all want it right, or quick?

I agree with dmitrygr the prepay option would be a nightmare as I had not read a guarantee of this being a success or done in a certain time frame.

The enthusiasm is good but sounds as if it is going a bit far at certain times.

David

[phreakonaleash]

As strange as it sounds (i know we've had our differences ;) ) but I have to agree with harpgliss here.

I'll love SDHC as much as the next guy but yall need to let Dmitry take a breath, ya know? Between this and PowerDrive, Dima's definately got his hands full, so just relax a bit and hang out :cool:

[ftwitty]

There is always a possibility that some who voted "yes" won't actually pay when the time comes. There will also be more paying customers than have voted to date when the driver is available.

"Relax"? "Chill"? I wasn't expecting much less demanding that Dmitry hurry-up. But, I do realize the slim profits he may be looking at and was trying to help by expressing a thought about pre-payment. He said no, so let's move on.

[krispy]

I had an idea that might help defray cost of development. How about selling gift certificates good at palmpowerups? You could buy a $20.00 one and once the driver is ready, you use it. If, the gods forbid, (and highly unlikely), it can't be made, you could use it for another product available now or in the future. (I realize not everyone that has committed would buy one, but it would help out initially)...

[vovka1965]

I had an idea that might help defray cost of development. How about selling gift certificates good at palmpowerups? You could buy a $20.00 one and once the driver is ready, you use it. If, the gods forbid, (and highly unlikely), it can't be made, you could use it for another product available now or in the future. (I realize not everyone that has committed would buy one, but it would help out initially)...
That's a neat idea if it can be set up electronically..

[krispy]

That's a neat idea if it can be set up electronically..

That could probably be easy done by using a onetime use, store credit redemption code.

[egredos]

I fully support this idea.

[thenrik]

Hi:

Sounds good to me as well. I'm not in a hurry and would be glad to support the effort. Just trying it out is a lot more than Palm is doing. If it unfortunately doesn't work out, I'm still glad to support the effort.

Tom

[jciltx99]

I've been waiting for something like this for a long, long time. And, yes, I fully intend to purchase the driver.

[_Em]

The gift certificate idea sounds great... that way, Dmitry could defray his costs of buying the SD spec and still not have to worry about a deadline :)

Of course, it would have to be emphasized that these were not SDHC driver certificates... the driver might not come out for 2 or so years.

[ftwitty]

Gift certificate sounds like a good idea, but two years? Won't he be out of college and gone from here?

[icefireicefire]

I like gift certificate idea...might also make a good palm-related present :)

[friendwilder]

... the driver might not come out for 2 or so years.

Are you kidding? I would hope that the driver would be ready in the end of this summer.

But I agree with the idea to buy a gift certificate(in order to support the project), and if the driver does not come, I can use my certificate to buy another software from palmpowerups.

[John Stanley]

My TX is great and having over 2GB of SDHC-speed storage would be fantastic!

However, there are forces on the horizon (work) that are pushing me to get a smartphone... I really hope Dmitry can get this working before I have to jump to the next platform...

[harpgliss]

Hi,

I see all this gift certificate talk but I have a question.

Has anyone bothered to ask Dmitry on this issue?

So far he has stated he does not like the idea of a prepay option but have not seen anyone seek out his guidance and whether he likes this idea.

A lot of people are putting the cart ahead of the horse and not bothering to consult the developer for their blessing on this concept.

For everyone saying it is a good idea, asking Dmitry would have been a good idea before stirring the pot and getting everyone enthused for this idea.

My feeling on the idea do not matter on this but please consult the developer before drawing plans up and setting details.

This is just another way you all add pressure to someone who does not need it.

A college student who is a developer and, I assume, has a life away from the computer.

Please let Dmitry have some space to start the development process and decide if HE wants to do this.

He knows you all want it, now let him work on it before the feeding frenzy gets even more nuts and he decides the project is not worth the hassle.

I do not like to be pestered and I am sure you all do not either, think how Dmitry feels as he already has a full plate to deal with.

I am just asking that you all give him some space and let him get started.

David

[krispy]

harpgliss: I only put this out as an idea. It was something Dmitry could decide on. As I do not have direct contact to him, I thought I would place it here. I was NOT trying to add pressure, in fact, I thought it would relieve some, as he is worried about cost.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

The idea could have been given by email but I was more responding to the frenzy after the idea was posed.

I was not calling anyone out or trying to be a wet blanket here but, as you mentioned, there is already pressure placed upon Dmitry and I just feel this could be lessened.

David

[dmitrygr]

it's all ok
next month i'll work on it a bit, but mostly focusing on school. after that i'll all over this

[vovka1965]

Harpgliss: Oh Come on, this is kind of cute, everyone is getting so excited over this geeky thing..

Dmitry is a big boy, he can take care of himself.. He is probably laughing at all of us :D :D

[dmitrygr]

Dmitry is a big boy, he can take care of himself.. He is probably laughing at all of us :D :D

nah. too busy to laugh. it's my bday. need to plan smth fun for the night :)

[ftwitty]

I was under the impression that this was a discussion open to all. Since when do green creatures have a lock on what to do and when to do it?

[wozofoz]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
dmitrygr

Have fun :D

All the best, woz of oz

[phreakonaleash]

I was under the impression that this was a discussion open to all. Since when do green creatures have a lock on what to do and when to do it?
since when do we have permission to not treat someone the same as we would in public? If we were having this conversation "IRL" would you boys be so "EEEK EEEK SDHC" about it? I sure hope not.

[ftwitty]

since when do we have permission to not treat someone the same as we would in public? If we were having this conversation "IRL" would you boys be so "EEEK EEEK SDHC" about it? I sure hope not.
Well, some have ideas and are trying to help and some just take shorts at those ideas.

[phreakonaleash]

some have ideas that others are almost fanatical about, too, it seems.

[wozofoz]

In case you missed the Post:

nah. too busy to laugh. it's my bday. need to plan smth fun for the night.

Best wishes on his Birthday is something we can all agree on :)
Isn't it ?

All the best, woz of oz

[dmitrygr]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
dmitrygr


thank you :)

[ftwitty]

It's your birthday, what are you doing here? :D Many happy returns.

[ftwitty]

some have ideas that others are almost fanatical about, too, it seems.
I haven't noticed any fanatics.

[jigwashere]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, dmitrygr! I hope you and your girlfriend are able to take time from studies for a big celebration!

BTW, I voted 'none of the above' in the poll because I'm unable to commit. That doesn't mean I'm not interested -- I just didn't want you to work on something I wasn't sure I'd be able to buy. If an SDHC driver does get developed, there's a good chance I'd be interested. Someone posted at BH today that Newegg has an 8GB microSDHC card for around $50!!!! I could use it in my 755p -- and my TX. WooHoo! :D

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Since when do green creatures have a lock on what to do and when to do it?


Would that not be a glorious day. :D

Not trying to control, just giving some friendly advice to think about.

David

[Anson Chew]

do you REALLY think that an SDHC driver would not support normal SD cards? :eek:

Do correct me if I am wrong. Currently both my 4G non-SDHC card that work with my TX does not work with my camera & SDHC card reader. As both device are SDHC compatible. But my normal 2G SD cards that are fine with them.

Hence with a SDHC driver in my TX would probably render both my 4G non-SDHC card useless. Am I correct?

[ftwitty]

Do correct me if I am wrong. Currently both my 4G non-SDHC card that work with my TX does not work with my camera & SDHC card reader. As both device are SDHC compatible. But my normal 2G SD cards that are fine with them.

Hence with a SDHC driver in my TX would probably render both my 4G non-SDHC card useless. Am I correct?
I never tried this. Since I have both SD and SDHC readers and cards, I thought I'd try it. Sure enough, the SD reader won't read the SDHC card, but surprisingly, the SDHC reader won't read the SD card.

I also have a Treo 680 that reads and writes both SD and SDHC cards, so it is possible for one reader to read both.

p.s. My Nikon camera will use both SD and SDHC cards.

[RolfY]

Do correct me if I am wrong. Currently both my 4G non-SDHC card that work with my TX does not work with my camera & SDHC card reader. As both device are SDHC compatible. But my normal 2G SD cards that are fine with them.

Hence with a SDHC driver in my TX would probably render both my 4G non-SDHC card useless. Am I correct?

I have the same "problem". I have a 4 GB sd-card, works in my treo 680 but doesn't in my camera (sdhc compatible). The problem is that 4 GB sd-cards (non sdhc) don't apply to the sd-standards. So it is possible that this card isn't supported by a sdhc driver (i hate that card because it is inpossible to work with).

[ftwitty]

Ah, I misread the post. I don't have a 4GByte SD card. I tried one, the Transcend card. I sent it back after having issues with it; speed mostly, but there were also issues in the 680.

I don't know if Dmitry's work will fix this problem.

[vovka1965]

Happy Birthday, Dmitry!



PS
Doesnt' anybody ever sleep on this thread? So many replies flying back and forth..

[ftwitty]

Not trying to control, just giving some friendly advice to think about.

David
Suggesting to email rather than post comments here is missing the point of a forum in the first place.

[icefireicefire]

The 4gb problem is because sd cards aren't meant to have 4gb. they are supposed to have <4gb. that is the problem.

[dmitrygr]

i plan to support any sd and sdhc

4gb sd cards do NOT exist

the card you have are not SD

they break the sd spec to be 4GB

i can try to support them, but i am not even sure how they do what they do
luckily i ahve one here to test. my cam reads it, no other device does

[icefireicefire]

Not your TX/LD/Z72/?? My friend has one and it works for me in Zodiac/Treo650, and i could try in Z72...

[dmitrygr]

nop.. my cam reads it. all other devices do not. and it is NOT SDHC sicen my can does not read those. it just says EPmemory
Extreme Performance
SD card
4GB


wait a sec! booted in to OSX and Windows XP x64 it reads in my laptop too!
in Windows XP x32, Vista, and Ubuntu it does not read it!

[icefireicefire]

Crazy... my friend has a Trancend 150x 4gb SD card...

[dmitrygr]

no. he has a card that SORT-OF follows the SD spec. it canot be really SD because then it must follow the spec, part of which says the maximum card size is 2GB

[vovka1965]

My soft-of-SD card is 4GB from Ridata. I can read it in the TX, though slowly, also on windows XP 32 and in my Canon camera.

[dmitrygr]

well, i have one so i can definitely try and see just how they work, but no promises in that front. as soon as this driver works i will throw out all my assorted SD cards and get a 32GB SDHC

[vovka1965]

.. get a 32GB SDHC
Absolutely, that is the way to go -- and maybe also a 2GB SD as a security backup since I cannot flash my ROM

[icefireicefire]

why not a 1mb just for the driver?

[dmitrygr]

for the driver? haha. my tx has flash rom, my LD has editable rom. this driver will be forever burned to rom :)

[dmitrygr]

well, i have one so i can definitely try and see just how they work, but no promises in that front. as soon as this driver works i will throw out all my assorted SD cards and get a 32GB SDHC


the plot thickens. LifeDrive will not read it, Tx will not read it. T3 will not read it. Treo 680 reads it VERY fast (3-5 MB/s). Windows XP x64 reads it EXTREMELY fast (20MB/s read 15MB/s write !!!)

[icefireicefire]

I meant for the person who said they couldn't edit the rom...why?

[dmitrygr]

256KB OTP(one-time-programmable = you can write to it once) card. dirt cheap and great for this purpose.

[icefireicefire]

1 cent? If it is $1=100mb, then 1cent=1mb, so 256k=1/4 cent, and 256k OTP= 1/16 of a cent?

LOL

[dmitrygr]

well, for now i still need to write it :-)

[wiggd]

I guess from what I see here and going back and reading old reviews at newegg on my 4gb SD, I just got lucky.

I have two different ones, a PQI Hi Speed 150 4gb SD and a HAMA 4gb HIGHSPEED SecureDigital Card.

I ordered the PQI from Newegg and picked up the Hama from an AAFES store.

I have had no issue using either in any card reader, my RIO forge, or my Lifeflash.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141037

wiggd

[cms]

For those who dont have flashable TX's, Could you just add the driver to your old TX2 rom eddit (replace your autum pictures with the driver?, or take out netfront, or the voice recorder?, making it a little patch PRC like MaxX?)

this would solve the problem with nonflashable TX, will it not? :)

[dmitrygr]

yes it would

[ftwitty]

For those who dont have flashable TX's, Could you just add the driver to your old TX2 rom eddit (replace your autum pictures with the driver?, or take out netfront, or the voice recorder?, making it a little patch PRC like MaxX?)

this would solve the problem with nonflashable TX, will it not? :)
Would you elaborate on this please? Specifically, about TX2 for those who may not know this application (like me).

Thanks :D

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Suggesting to email rather than post comments here is missing the point of a forum in the first place.

The response you refer to was to someone who said they had no direct contact to Dmitry, so this was a suggestion.

Anyways, back to our regularly scheduled topic.

Toodles,

David

[laguirrehdez]

Does anyone have try this driver from Palm? This driver suppose to be for Treo devices, but I don't konw if this could help in any way for the LD T|X driver?

The link is:


http://mytreo.net/downloads/sdhc-slot-driver,1144.html#

[dmitrygr]

go ahead and install it
when you're done with that hard reset, some back here :D

[Anson Chew]

I never tried this. Since I have both SD and SDHC readers and cards, I thought I'd try it. Sure enough, the SD reader won't read the SDHC card, but surprisingly, the SDHC reader won't read the SD card.

I also have a Treo 680 that reads and writes both SD and SDHC cards, so it is possible for one reader to read both.

p.s. My Nikon camera will use both SD and SDHC cards.

I think thats because your SD is less than 4G, hence your Treo 680 can read both. It's still come to the same question I have posted eariler, as I have "invested" in two 4G SD card that works only with my TX getting a 32G driver would render both card useless.

Secondly if I am not wrong even in the Treo 680, a 8G SDHC card would be seen as two separate 4G partition. Which means not all Palm software can support it without an upgrade. Given the current development status of PALM Software, most companies are moving away from the platform (even Palmgear is closed/transfered) would they provide s/w upgrades to their aging s/w?

Just a penny of thought

[dmitrygr]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:




....no




please do nto assume such things. if you go that route, just assume i fail, ok?

as i said i plan to support such weird cards
and no, it will be seen as one big partition


Secondly if I am not wrong even in the Treo 680, a 8G SDHC card would be seen as two separate 4G partition.

where the hell did you read that from what i said???

[ftwitty]

Does anyone have try this driver from Palm? This driver suppose to be for Treo devices, but I don't konw if this could help in any way for the LD T|X driver?

The link is:


http://mytreo.net/downloads/sdhc-slot-driver,1144.html#
If this driver worked in the Tx, this thread wouldn't exist. Getting SDHC cards working in the Tx has been a very popular topic in the 1SCR forum for some time now in more threads than just this one. It would be wise NOT to attempt using the driver you mention in a Tx or LD.

[Demise]

I don't often purchase much software for my TX since I mostly either read or listen to music on it. But.. 8 gigs of storage... my god.. :D Sounds great. Finally got around to looking over these forums again and saw this, needed to add my interest in it.

[wiggd]

Posted this in the wrong thread earlier,

Dmitry,

How will the palms slowness with large SD cards play out with your new SDHC driver? Will stay the same or will there be a chance of a speed improvement.

I thought I remembered you making a comment before, but I didn't find it.

wiggd

[Anson Chew]

If Dmitry's SDHC work with both non-SDHC & SDHC card that are more than 4G, and does not have the 4G per partition limitation.

I must say that it would be a very interesting proposal, that would probably worth more than the $20 asking price. As currently it is an "either or" affair for the SD Card readers in the market, thus with CardReader/CardExport your TX can be a universal SD Card reader.. :)

[vovka1965]

For those who dont have flashable TX's, Could you just add the driver to your old TX2 rom eddit (replace your autum pictures with the driver?, or take out netfront, or the voice recorder?, making it a little patch PRC like MaxX?)

this would solve the problem with nonflashable TX, will it not? :)
CMS, I don't understand what this means. Dmitry obviously understood. I have a non-flashable TX, so I am curious..
What do you mean by "old TX2 rom edit"?

[BrentDC]

I've never done a ROM edit before, but I'll try to answer the question. You guys are basically confusing two different areas of the ROM. There is the "Overflow" and the hardcore ROM (yes, I just made up that last term, but I think it describes that area well). The overflow area is what gets copied from the boot-loader (and decompressed) to Internal memory. This would be like the sample pictures, the "Jake Coco" video, Addit, ect. It is my understanding that this area is writable on all TX's. That is what cms referred to. The Hardcore ROM is where everything else - including system stuff - is stored. This is only editable on Flash TX through NuROM.

[ftwitty]

Apparently this TX2 allows one to edit the Overflow area. So, in the context of this thread, the SDHC driver Dmitry is working one can be placed there and thus live through some resets, but not the BIG one. Is this correct?

[BrentDC]

I believe it would survive all resets. :)

[ftwitty]

I believe it would survive all resets. :)
But, the BIG reset would write into this same space and might overwrite the SDHC driver? :D

[BrentDC]

What's the BIG reset?

[ftwitty]

What's the BIG reset? What most would call a Hard Reset.

[BrentDC]

It survives a hard reset too, because even though theoretically the Driver in Internal Memory gets deleted, it would get copied right back. The only way to permanently get rid of the driver would be to create another custom ROM that did not include the Driver.

[ftwitty]

It survives a hard reset too, because even though theoretically the Driver in Internal Memory gets deleted, it would get copied right back. The only way to permanently get rid of the driver would be to create another custom ROM that did not include the Driver.
Thanks for the education. This should help others understand that the driver will survive a hard reset, which was a question asked a while back.