JackFlash 3.0b7 released

[NR70V-o-holic]

...added Tungsten C support...
else no further improvements..

Noh

[RoyoftheRovers]

Used it on my NX70 over the weekend. So far, so good, freed up 2648K in flash.

ROTR.

[zohaer21]

I am trying to steal this software??

thanks..

my hotsync name is kracked dude. I like to steal software.

[royoftherovers]

U can download the light version of 3.0 to try it (it only lets u free up 64K but does tell u how much can be freed with the full version).

[Beavis]

It freed up just over 3 megs on my TG-50

[n2ifp]

I freed up 4+ MB on the NX :)

Someone stealing software again :(?

Very good YR :D!

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Someone stealing software again :(?

Very good YR :D!
Yes. I was just being silly. Changed a few words instead of deleting it. ;) It was NOT like this before . . .

I am trying to steal this software??

thanks..

my hotsync name is kracked dude. I like to steal software.

[Unregistered]

is there any way to move all the updates to the rom?

[Unregistered]

now no one here would steal software or distribute non-registered software, now would they???

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Unregistered
is there any way to move all the updates to the rom?

Yes, you can move some into flash ROM using JackFlash. http://www.brayder.com/

I have moved some stuff, but cautious on any system updates. Apps like the updated Clie Viewer or Clie Files are fine to move into ROM.

[cbulock]

How did you get the system updates and Clie Files to move into ROM? I tried and it shows up on the list of apps in ROM, but really only the old versions are left.

[riversen]

This may be a silly question... but did you say that you got 3 Meg's out the ROM on you TG???? I was really not wanting to purchase the TG because it only had 11 Meg's, but the 3 Meg's could be a great benefit (14 Meg's is more appealing than 11 Meg's). Do you also know if they will be able to get JackSprat to work on the TG yet?

One last final question... could you have gotten more than the 3 Meg's free? Was there more room by any chance?

Thanks for your feedback,
Robert

[zohaer21]

hey i wasnt and am not trying to steal the software...
i asked coz id like to try the thingie myself...i got the beta but unless you provide a key or serial for it it doesnt run...
i'd like to TRY the software then BUY it!!!!
like right now i still dont know how the application runs.. what is its potential and all... does it move to ram or rom? so like i said id like to try it first and then purchase it...so anyone has any idea how i can get one which actually would work ?????

[Beavis]

I actually got 3.6 Megs free out of the 8 that is actually in thr ROM. rom what I hear, Jacksprat will not be available for the OS5 Clies.

There is now a trial "light" version of Jackflash, that will free up 64K or flash ROM, and tell you how much you have available or if you have any available.

It is at http://www.brayder.com/products/jackflash.html

[riversen]

Originally posted by Beavis
I actually got 3.6 Megs free out of the 8 that is actually in thr ROM. rom what I hear, Jacksprat will not be available for the OS5 Clies.

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That is very cool. That really makes it more worth it now. I could not accept the 11 Meg's of Ram. On that note, is the 11 Meg's of RAM only 11 Meg's or is this 11.4, 11.8, or 11.9? I am just trying to see how close I could get to the 15 Meg's of usable RAM/ROM.

Thanks, again for the very good information that may make me a TG user yet.

Robert

[rldunn]

Originally posted by zohaer21
hey i wasnt and am not trying to steal the software...
i asked coz id like to try the thingie myself...i got the beta but unless you provide a key or serial for it it doesnt run...
i'd like to TRY the software then BUY it!!!!
like right now i still dont know how the application runs.. what is its potential and all... does it move to ram or rom? so like i said id like to try it first and then purchase it...so anyone has any idea how i can get one which actually would work ????? I can understand wanting to try it before you buy it, but in this case, the developer isn't allowing that. So you have two options, buy and then use it, or don't buy and don't use it. Really, this is one piece of software that you don't need to try. It moves things to ROM and also back to RAM, plus it allows for beaming and deleting. Very straightforward and it works very well!!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by rldunn
I can understand wanting to try it before you buy it, but in this case, the developer isn't allowing that. So you have two options, buy and then use it, or don't buy and don't use it. Really, this is one piece of software that you don't need to try. It moves things to ROM and also back to RAM, plus it allows for beaming and deleting. Very straightforward and it works very well!!

Hi Rod,

Finally succumbed and made the purchase. I didn't realize it was so easy to use and it only took me a few minutes to fill up 4.5MB :)! Now what :D?

[riversen]

So, what is the total available memory for TG with the JackFlash? Has anyone totalled this yet?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by riversen
So, what is the total available memory for TG with the JackFlash? Has anyone totalled this yet?

I believe someone said it was over 6MB.

[riversen]

6 Megs with Jack Flash (only in ROM) equalling a total of 17 Meg's with RAM and ROM together? Where do they get the extra ~2.5 Meg's (I thought someone only got the 3.6 Megs).

Thank you, Robert

[Tixx]

Originally posted by riversen
6 Megs with Jack Flash (only in ROM) equalling a total of 17 Meg's with RAM and ROM together? Where do they get the extra ~2.5 Meg's (I thought someone only got the 3.6 Megs).

Thank you, Robert

I'm confused. You asked for a number, were given the number and now say you know a different number. Are you asking for info or tell us info here?

[riversen]

Originally posted by Tixx


I'm confused. You asked for a number, were given the number and now say you know a different number. Are you asking for info or tell us info here?

If you follow the trail, someone said that they got 3.5 Meg's. You said that you got 6 Meg's from your Rom. I wanted to see why the person who said that they only got 3.6 did in fact only get 3.6 when you were able to get 6 Meg's.

Believe me, I want the full 6 extra Meg's of ROM if it is there. I am just trying to get a tally of the total RAM/ROM together. If you got 6 Meg's in ROM, then you have a total of 17 Meg's available to use for applications. If there is only 3.6 Meg's of ROM, then there is only 14.6 Meg's of RAM/ROM for applications. In my T665, I have a total of 17 Meg's between my 15 Meg's of RAM and 2 Meg's of ROM. I want to compare, so I can see if I want to buy the TG. The lack of RAM/ROM was my biggest reservation against it.

Thank you,
Robert

[Tixx]

Originally posted by riversen


If you follow the trail, someone said that they got 3.5 Meg's. You said that you got 6 Meg's from your Rom. I wanted to see why the person who said that they only got 3.6 did in fact only get 3.6 when you were able to get 6 Meg's.

Believe me, I want the full 6 extra Meg's of ROM if it is there. I am just trying to get a tally of the total RAM/ROM together. If you got 6 Meg's in ROM, then you have a total of 17 Meg's available to use for applications. If there is only 3.6 Meg's of ROM, then there is only 14.6 Meg's of RAM/ROM for applications. In my T665, I have a total of 17 Meg's between my 15 Meg's of RAM and 2 Meg's of ROM. I want to compare, so I can see if I want to buy the TG. The lack of RAM/ROM was my biggest reservation against it.

Thank you,
Robert

That's cool. Just was confused and don't have time to always reread threads just to check and see if someone might have been referring to something somewhere else all the time. That is why I reply with the quote included to reduce confusion as to what I am referring to. I hope you understand. BTW - that was n2ifp that gave you that number, not me:) I don't want to take his credit away;)

[kdn102]

I think we have an apples/oranges problem here. I know for sure the NX70V has ~11MB of free RAM. I will go with n2fip's approximate free ROM at ~4MB. So on an NX70V you will have ~15MB total usable memory.

I'm sure the specs for the TG50 will differ.

[ClieMarty]

the amount of rom you might get is depending on
a) device -> don't know value for tg
b) country-version*

*eu-clié come with 3-4 languages pre-installed. you just choose one with your first usage. the other languages block quite a lot of rom and you can not remove then (-> no jack sprat for os5).

IMHO just the 1,5-4 meg's of rom for placing apps should not be a main point for getting a certain device or not. it was actually not meant to be that way so you should regard it as a nice bonus. having a nx for some weeks now, i developed numerous ways to deal with limitations of main memory. i'm still wainting for a 64mb clié nevertheless ;-)

[Tixx]

Originally posted by kdn102
I think we have an apples/oranges problem here. I know for sure the NX70V has ~11MB of free RAM. I will go with n2fip's approximate free ROM at ~4MB. So on an NX70V you will have ~15MB total usable memory.

I'm sure the specs for the TG50 will differ.

Ya. I had over 4mb on my USA NX.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by n2ifp


Hi Rod,

Finally succumbed and made the purchase. I didn't realize it was so easy to use and it only took me a few minutes to fill up 4.5MB :)! Now what :D? That's great!!! You must be swimming in free space now, with Flash and the CF driver, in addition to RAM and the MS!! I liked Jackflash on my old devices, but with all the space available on the NX, it's better than ever!!

[zohaer21]

ok one last question
suppose i use JF and use up my flash memory and free ram space.. exactly what will i be getting my self into.. i mean would i get messages like "not enough memory " to run larger programs like picsel viewer or netfront etc... or will all the programs run without any glithces.. and also if yes to my question what is the minimum required mem to run applications...thanks

[Tixx]

Originally posted by zohaer21
ok one last question
suppose i use JF and use up my flash memory and free ram space.. exactly what will i be getting my self into.. i mean would i get messages like "not enough memory " to run larger programs like picsel viewer or netfront etc... or will all the programs run without any glithces.. and also if yes to my question what is the minimum required mem to run applications...thanks

You have to leave some RAM open for those apps in such file managers as PowerRun, the Palm/Launcher folder, pictures and other items from the MS and for those that require additional space like NF.

[paxton]

Just wanted to note that you get 3.6 MB more "ram" on the TG50
BUT it is not available on every TG50 because most of those units seem to have masked rom. There is another special TG50 thread in the TG50 forum.

[rclodfelter]

This is still a beta release, right? If you go to their website and download it, you get the light version.

[riversen]

Yes, you have to register to get the full beta version. It is well worth it.

[rclodfelter]

I am not sure I understand their process with the beta. Do I buy the current release off of their site or do I install the beta and then register?

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by rclodfelter
I am not sure I understand their process with the beta. Do I buy the current release off of their site or do I install the beta and then register? Purchase the most recent version available.

Request the beta from their website after purchase. You also request your reg code for it at that time.

Install the BETA (NOT the one you 'purchased') then enter your reg code.

:)

[n2ifp]

It's a good program, just a bit convoluted in the way the registering is done.

[donaldekelly]

Now for a dumb question

I thought messing with the rom could be precarious. It appears that it is not a danger at all? Was that only jack sprat that you had to be careful with?

Thanks

[mclin]

JackFlash allows you to move programs from RAM to empty ROM. Should have no problems putting read-only applications into ROM.

I believe JackSprat allows you to remove programs in ROM, such as the software installed there by Sony. More potential for problems, and not available for PalmOS 5.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by donaldekelly
I thought messing with the rom could be precarious. It appears that it is not a danger at all? Was that only jack sprat that you had to be careful with?I've used JackFlash since I had a Palm IIIxe. I've NEVER had a problem with it. I think the 'issues' you've heard about stem from JackSprat, which COULD cause major problems if used incorrectly or if back ups were not made. You can use JackFlash with confidence.

It's well worth the money.

[itommy]

What the heck I paid for it. Oh my, This is app is great I'm loving it. with CF driver and jackflash, my apps run faster. And i have tons of space for databases on my CF. I still have 7.5 mb of ram, i have not seen that much ram in a long time (like the day I got my nx70v).

I'm happy, my nx70v is happy. Today life is good.

itommy

[Manical]

How did you people get Jackflash 3.0b7...?

I purchased from their site that linked to handango and they gave me version 2.6...

[Alistar]

You wait for a confirmation e-mail from brayder, then go to their site and request the upgrade. I believe it will be in the e-mail, if isn't then you can go to this site http://www.brayder.com/support/upgraderequest.html

[n2ifp]

It took all of about 20 minutes on Sunday for me to be registered and updated with JF v3.0b7.

[Eric S]

Originally posted by mclin
I believe JackSprat allows you to remove programs in ROM, such as the software installed there by Sony. More potential for problems, and not available for PalmOS 5.

Actually, it will be available for the non-Sony PalmOS 5 PDAs. Sony did "something" that is causing JackFlash not to work with the PalmOS5 Clies, and Brayder can't get Sony to tell them what it is.

This is my understanding of what has been said here and on Brayder's web site.

[riversen]

Originally posted by Eric S


Actually, it will be available for the non-Sony PalmOS 5 PDAs. Sony did "something" that is causing JackFlash not to work with the PalmOS5 Clies, and Brayder can't get Sony to tell them what it is.

This is my understanding of what has been said here and on Brayder's web site.

You are right about that. I emailed them about it and they said that Sony is not letting view the necessary API's (... I hope I am using the right language here). I then emailed Sony and they gave a "I am god" pat on my head answer that said they appreciated my email and what I said without any commitment from them that would try to work with Brayder. I was mad. I am only going to get over it, if the new PDA's have a ridiculous amount of RAM in them to make up for this. Otherwise, they will force me to go to Palm with that type of answer.

[sebring]

Before buying JackFlash, be sure to download and install the Light version to find out how much ROM space is free. I'm glad I did, because on my NR there is only 640k of ROM available to JackFlash. Twenty dollars is too much to spend for only 640k, in my opinion. Agreed there is also the option of buying JackSprat to free up additional ROM, by removing installed apps, but JackSprat also brings with it the opportunity to do serious damage to the functioning of your Clie, in addition to costing an additional $7. On my NR, I could potentially free up a total of 3.3mb by removing apps I don't use. The cost for that 3.3mb would be $27 and the risk of trashing my Clie. I consider this a last resort for freeing RAM. Other issues with JF and JS include the need to move apps back to RAM in order to install updates, then move them back to ROM.

That being said, I would not hesitate to use JackFlash if my device had significantly more ROM free than it does, and apparently the newer OS5 devices do have a significant amount of ROM available to JackFlash.

Correction: The available ROM on my NR is 384k, not 640k.

Under the new OS5.2, Palm devices will be able to support up to 128mb of RAM, so the need to mine unused ROM should diminish considerably in future devices.

[kf6gpe]

sebring wrote, "I'm glad I did, because on my NR there is only 640k of ROM available to JackFlash..."


Aaah! The NR. You can use their other app --- JackSprat --- to nuke anything in ROM you're not using. I did that with my NR, and freed up a good chunk of space (don't remember how much offhand). So it's still worth investigating if you're tight on space.

[sebring]

Originally posted by kf6gpe
sebring wrote, "I'm glad I did, because on my NR there is only 640k of ROM available to JackFlash..."


Aaah! The NR. You can use their other app --- JackSprat --- to nuke anything in ROM you're not using. I did that with my NR, and freed up a good chunk of space (don't remember how much offhand). So it's still worth investigating if you're tight on space.

You obviously didn't read past the first sentence of my post.

[kf6gpe]

*sigh*... you got me there --- I skimmed the rest of the first paragrah, and then finished reading in more detail. So yes, you did look at JackSprat, and I apologize. Eeep! What I get for reading and commenting on forums with my toddler about, I suppose.

That said, in using JackSprat for over a year on both the NR and on a Palm device, I never had any problems. I won't say that they overstate the risk (or the cost), but I was happy with it. Happy enough, actually, that I wish (although I understand why they can't) that it was available for my NX.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by Eric S


Actually, it will be available for the non-Sony PalmOS 5 PDAs. Sony did "something" that is causing JackFlash not to work with the PalmOS5 Clies, and Brayder can't get Sony to tell them what it is.

This is my understanding of what has been said here and on Brayder's web site. This is correct, except that it's Jacksprat not working; Jackflash works fine. It gets confusing with everything named Jack something.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by sebring
Before buying JackFlash, be sure to download and install the Light version to find out how much ROM space is free. I'm glad I did, because on my NR there is only 640k of ROM available to JackFlash. Twenty dollars is too much to spend for only 640k, in my opinion. Agreed there is also the option of buying JackSprat to free up additional ROM, by removing installed apps, but JackSprat also brings with it the opportunity to do serious damage to the functioning of your Clie, in addition to costing an additional $7. On my NR, I could potentially free up a total of 3.3mb by removing apps I don't use. The cost for that 3.3mb would be $27 and the risk of trashing my Clie. I consider this a last resort for freeing RAM. Other issues with JF and JS include the need to move apps back to RAM in order to install updates, then move them back to ROM. sebring, it's really not possible to mess things up with Jacksprat. Even if you did something really serious and deleted the default launcher, which could be a problem after a hard reset, there are workarounds for that. But Jacksprat doesn't let you delete anything that would completely trash your Clie. I had JF/JS for my NR after also using both on my N610, and it worked great!!

[riversen]

The only thing that you have to worry about with JackSprat is to be sure to have a copy of your ROM. Make a second hard copy if you are worried. Otherwise, JackSprat is super easy to use. I got another 2 Meg's out of my T665 with it.

[Xaositek]

I just tried to load ClieViewer and ClieFiles (updates) into ROM and got "MemoryMgr.c, Line:3583, Free handle" with the little reset button. Is this common and do I just need to wait for the JackSprat update?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Xaositek
I just tried to load ClieViewer and ClieFiles (updates) into ROM and got "MemoryMgr.c, Line:3583, Free handle" with the little reset button. Is this common and do I just need to wait for the JackSprat update?

I had no problem with installing the updates on the NX70. There is no JackSprat for the NX or NZ series Clies.

[rldunn]

I've heard of other problems moving the updates to ROM. I personally haven't tried it, as that's the kind of stuff I avoid in the interest of stability. I have plenty of other stuff that can be moved instead. BTW, other things I avoid moving are DAs, read-only databases, and my launcher (since it has caused problems for me in the past after a hard reset). They might work just fine, but I've had good luck with stability with not moving them.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by rldunn
I've heard of other problems moving the updates to ROM. I personally haven't tried it, as that's the kind of stuff I avoid in the interest of stability. I have plenty of other stuff that can be moved instead. BTW, other things I avoid moving are DAs, read-only databases, and my launcher (since it has caused problems for me in the past after a hard reset). They might work just fine, but I've had good luck with stability with not moving them.

Which launcher?

[rldunn]

Any launcher, especially one that has multiple files. They run fine out of flash until a hard reset, but after a hard reset, you have to use the default launcher to launch ClieFiles (or a file manager in the Launcher folder), which you then use to launch FlashEnable, then you get your launcher back, but not all of it's files. If you use it then, it may not work if it can't find it's proper skin file, and it's not going to look like it normally does, because it's DB file was blown away in the hard reset. I've found that it's easier and simpler to just have all the launcher files restored from the backup together.

[sebring]

Originally posted by rldunn
sebring, it's really not possible to mess things up with Jacksprat. Even if you did something really serious and deleted the default launcher, which could be a problem after a hard reset, there are workarounds for that. But Jacksprat doesn't let you delete anything that would completely trash your Clie. I had JF/JS for my NR after also using both on my N610, and it worked great!!

I appreciate the info. The problems I was refering to mostly related to people who have lost or corrupted their backup ROM and can no longer restore it to factory ROM, if they so chose. Currently, I have 7.4mb of RAM free on my NR. Using a combination of MSMount, PowerRun and ZLauncher, I also have just about everything on my Clie that I currently want on it, so $27 for another 3mb or so, that I don't really need right now, seems very expensive. I've paid less than that for a 128mb MS. I realize flash is a little quicker than running apps from MS, particularly with PowerRun, but I've been trying to slow down anyway.:)

[rldunn]

I don't blame you then, if you don't need the space. When I first used it, I was completely paranoid, and had about 6 copies of my ROM in a bunch of different locations, just to make sure I always had a copy that could be restored if needed.

[sebring]

Originally posted by rldunn
I don't blame you then, if you don't need the space. When I first used it, I was completely paranoid, and had about 6 copies of my ROM in a bunch of different locations, just to make sure I always had a copy that could be restored if needed.

I'm not paranoid, they really are after me. :D I'd probably still manage to screwup all the copies.:) I'm also hoping to hold out for one of those new clies with 128mb of RAM, now that Palm OS5.2 makes that possible. My $27 will be my downpayment.

[riversen]

You should never install updates into the ROM. Brayder even says this to avoid possible conflict issues. I have not loaded mine.

[skccs]

Answering to Sebring:

Yes you will not have the need to get an additional 3 MB of storage with your NR, but please take note that an NX does only have 11 of the 16 MB RAM usable (rest is something like reserved system-cache probably for movie-player and other apps). You should know too, that msmount does no more work in os 5 (so try already to live without if you plan to get a new palm). I contacted the developer and he told me that he sees no way to get it running under palm-os 5 with its limited hack-architeture.

So for me with my nx jackflash is the way to have about the same memory available as you have wiht your nr ;-)