JackFlash beta on TG50 - yeah, 3648 k free!!!!

[paxton]

Hi,

just downloaded jackflash light 3 beta from: http://www.brayder.com/downloads/JackFlashLight_3_0b7.zip

and yes! I am lucky!!! It says, that I have 3648k free! Unbelievable: I own a TG50/U! The demo is limited to 64 k but it works! I am sooo happy ;-)

So, now I have to buy jackflash! ;)

[paxton]

It's just awesome. I moved every program to flash I had in ram and still have flash memory left. Those 20 $ are by far the best money I've spent for my TG50. Now I am really happy with my TG50 ;)

[graph101]

So tg50/U is the one with ROM??? where did you buy you tg from and when?

i plan to buy at staples
http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=504988

[X Destruction]

Ugh, I've got 12 MB ROM left and none of it is even flash rom! What does this mean? Why would I have any rom left if it's not even flash? So, now I know I don't have flash rom, oh well.

[graph101]

X Destruction what model do you have? U/C?

[X Destruction]

TG50/U. What's the C version, Europe? And the J is Japan right? I know they wouldn't make a seperate version for us canadians :p

[doogert]

Mine is TG50/E. This corresponds to Europe (UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, The Netherlands and via the Internet).

According to JackFlash Light, this device has no flash rom. This is really crazy. I can't understand why Sony releases different devices for different regions. Also they say nothing in the technical specs.

Does a TG50/U from USA have a valid warranty in Europe?

Doogert.

[graph101]

paxton whats your Tg version? where and when was it bought?

[jaydisc]

I have a TG50/G

Using (shortcut-.-6) the date of mfg. returned is April 9, 2002 (doesn't make sense, eh?)

Purchased in Australia April 18th

Serial is 70062x (not really "x")

That beta reflects that I don't have usable ROM :-(

[duxrus]

Just installed JackFlash Light and it says Sorry! You don't have flash memory. Oh well I still have 5.8 MB of space left on my TG50/U

[kusumo]

No flash in my TG50/U.....

[rTenshi]

Does the /G have free ROM?

[paxton]

Originally posted by graph101
So tg50/U is the one with ROM??? where did you buy you tg from and when?

i plan to buy at staples
http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=504988

Hm, I thought the TG50/U was the one without flash and therefore I was extremly happy discovering that mine has flash rom.
My serial number starts with: 300825(X)

A friend of mine bought it via SonyStyle USA right after it was released there...

[Ah9]

I tried mine, it said 64kb free, but when I checked All in ROM, it shows nothing there, so is that mean I don't have flash rom as well, right?

[kusumo]

Is there any other software to check the ROM besides JackFlash.
I can't believe there is no flash in my TG50/U!!!

[Beavis]

TG50/U Purchased day of release, Circuit City, Newington, CT

3648K Available

[dillera]

There is no flash on my new TG50, got it from SonyStyle last week, for USA.

PEG-tg50/U

How can this be? There must be different versions of jackflash. Perhaps the one some of us are using is not able to detect the flash on the 50/U????

How can some have it and others not?

:(

[Beavis]

I'm using Jackflash 3.0b6

[dillera]

Originally posted by Beavis
I'm using Jackflash 3.0b6

Mmm, I have b7, which is their latest version. I'll see if they still have b6 somewhere on their site, or just send them an email.

-andy

[paxton]

Originally posted by Ah9
I tried mine, it said 64kb free, but when I checked All in ROM, it shows nothing there, so is that mean I don't have flash rom as well, right?

no, you *have* flashrom

[JGCcom]

What all this mean ???
there is one TG in Peru (mine of course :D ) i have flash rom too, but i dont know about you are talking about...

can someone explain me plzzzz

[Ah9]

Paxton, thanks, I just realized that, I have the TG50/u from the very first batch that come to Canada, serial number starts with 300

[Appleman]

Maybe I am not quite understanding, but how can there be any room left in the flash ROM? There is 16MB of RAM, but only 11MB available to store data. This is because some data is copied from ROM into RAM on boot, well not every boot, but after a hard reset I believe. So, if there is actual room available in the Flash ROM, why not leave the data there, so as to not take away from the 16 MB of RAM?

Can someone explain this, or am I just mixed up?

[yOyOYoo]

Yay I have 3648K of Flash availabe!!!

Now I gotta read up on exactly what I can or cannot put into Flash - any tips?

[Take1]

yOyOYoo, I listed all the apps. I put onto my TG-50 without a problem after 2 weeks of use.


Handstory - 260 K
Snapper Mail - 249 K
Yi Show - 257 K
Yi Show Skin - 173 K
Agendus - 397 K
Bug Me! - 237 K
eWallet - 127 K
McFile - 224 K
PalmReader - 288 K
TV Browser - 103 K
WebPro - 809 K
WorldMate - 438 K

[yOyOYoo]

thanks Take1, saved me from this search...

just wondering, is it safe to put Netfront in Flash with the cache size set as full (1500K) Total would be 3500K

Also, did you bother deleting anything from Flash or did you leave it alone?

[aarecordati]

yOyOYoo... does your TG50 serial number start with 300? Mine starts with 301 and I have no flash rom.... damn it!!

[aarecordati]

Has anyone bought a TG50 in europe yet? If yes, do they have flash ROM available?

[yOyOYoo]

My serial number is 300xxxx. Does this mean that I'm lucky?


Also does BackupMan backup applications in Flash? I have this "Flash Enable" program, which from the readme, I assume is used to backup Flash programs in the event of a hard reset. Anyone confirm? Also I get mixed messages from previous posts regarding Netfront.

Can it or can it not be moved into Flash?

[aarecordati]

guess you are... lucky you!!!

From yours and previous posts regarding this topic, i think its now clear that TG50/U with 300xxxxx serial numbers do have Flash ROM available, whilst ones with 301xxxx serial numbers (like mine :mad: !) have only Mask ROM (which cannot be modified).

This really is so unfair... I can't believe Sony!!!!!  

[kusumo]

Mine is 302xxxx.
Can't we got some explanations from Sony why we don't have ROM?!! >_<

[paxton]

To summarize: TG50 with serial number starting with 300 have flahs other not... Is that right?

[paxton]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
thanks Take1, saved me from this search...

just wondering, is it safe to put Netfront in Flash with the cache size set as full (1500K) Total would be 3500K

Also, did you bother deleting anything from Flash or did you leave it alone?

I won't move the netfront cache file to flash - because it' updated everytime you use netfront... I don't think that it would work

And AFAIK you can't delete files from flash with JackFlash. You would need JackSprat but Brayder says that it won't by available for OS5 Clie devices... Yeah, that would be great, but running JackFlash is cool enough ;)

[chrislee2000]

I bought a second TG50 unit from Circuit City a couple of weeks ago. I went through their entire inventory to locate the unit with the lowest serial number. Mine is 30026xx, and it has the flash. Guess what happened to the previous unit. Back in the Sony inventory as a B stock.
With available 3.6M of flash, I really stuffed my unit with a lot of programs, and still have 2 mb left to use.

[yOyOYoo]

Yay for Flash! It's like our TG50s have 14.6MB RAM instead of 11MB.


As for netfront, I just moved the program over, it looks like the cache still gets stored in RAM. If anyone was wondering.

I have stored:
AcidImage
Matlib
MegaCalc
MS Dict
Netfront
WA Clock
Wordsmith

all into Flash with no problems so far. Reading old posts it looks like Jackflash was quite unstable at moving some apps to Flash. This new beta version seems quite stable.

[Cessie]

Im new to the TG50 and one of my 1st concerns is how I could access Flash via Jackflash. So after I download Jackflash to my PC, what are the next steps? (My TG50 SN starts with 300). Thank you.

[toomies]

i just called the local best buy store and the saleslady said that all of theirs start with '302'..... anyone know if it has flash or not? i am guessing since they went from flash, to the non-flash, that 302's would be non-flash...


tommy

[Take1]

Jacksprat isn't compatible with OS5 yet, but hopefully we'll be able to eventually dump some of the stuff in ROM soon. That should free up another couple of MB.

[graph101]

So this is a SOLID evidence that all TG50/U with a serial number that starts with 300xxxxx has FLASH???

one thing im worried about the first few batch that it might not be as PERFECT as the next batches of TGs. Do you think its possible? would it be better to get the latest batch with all imperfections resolve? imperfections inside that noone notices but still a lifesaver?

[paxton]

Originally posted by Cessie
Im new to the TG50 and one of my 1st concerns is how I could access Flash via Jackflash. So after I download Jackflash to my PC, what are the next steps? (My TG50 SN starts with 300). Thank you.

HotSync Jackflash to your TG50 and start it. Follow the instructions and be sure to read the manual ;)

[paxton]

Originally posted by Take1
Jacksprat isn't compatible with OS5 yet, but hopefully we'll be able to eventually dump some of the stuff in ROM soon. That should free up another couple of MB.

Brayder says that Jacksprat won't be available for Sony Clie OS5 devices ;(

[paxton]

Here is what I've stored in flash without problems (so far):

AcidImmage
AGConnect
BDicty
BtToggle
Documents
HandyShpr
Keyboard
KeyQuick
libmal
Link Lirbrary by Standalone
LXBrowser
McFile
MoHiSpeed
PowerRun
Shadow
Snapper
SplashClock
SplashID
Spr Names
TimeCopy
WA Clock
Weather
Zlib

Yeah, but I think I will remove some files and store Netfront there too ;)

[Beavis]

My TG-50 has flash and the serial also begins with 300. So we may be on to something here

[rdasilva]

My TG50 serial number starts 303xxx...and I have no available Flash ROM. It looks like the production date (ser no.) is the determining factor and not the country designation (U/E/J).

Is there any chance that Sony might offer a RAM upgrade for this device in the near future up to the 64 MB that is possible now?

[yOyOYoo]

Why do some palm models have this Flash ROM available anyways? Is it simply for OS upgrades? What else is it good for (of course, beside using Jackflash)?

[nekrataal]

WTF f@)## that damn $ony for not putting flash in our TG-50s....oh well, i guess that's what my Best Buy warranty is for eh? hehe

btw, my s/n is 302XXXX

[nekrataal]

argh......screw $ony. I ditched my clie and traded it in for a T|T. Sorry boys, but the TG-50 sucks nuts with only 11MB of RAM and I can't store the stuff I need with no flash. I'll convert back when the NZ90s come down in price (and size)

[Ah9]

I don't think $ony will offer RAM upgrade, I believe they will release a new model. That is the way they make money!

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by Ah9
I don't think $ony will offer RAM upgrade, I believe they will release a new model. That is the way they make money!
Yeah, and looking at history, it will have a built-in MPEG decoder for better video, Bluetooth, WiFi, NeuralNet, and 32MB RAM... with 7MB available to the user.

[yOyOYoo]

nekrataal, wow you really got a TT?! Yeah sony drives me nuts too, but not nuts enough to jump over to Palm.

[Sneezy]

Just wanted to say that I, too, have a clie with a "300" serial, and have the extra 3 megs of flash.

WooPeeee!

[jaydisc]

I have a TG50/G and my serial starts with 700xxx. It's the serial number on the back. Y'all lookin' in the same place?

[nekrataal]

Originally posted by TechnoCat

Yeah, and looking at history, it will have a built-in MPEG decoder for better video, Bluetooth, WiFi, NeuralNet, and 32MB RAM... with 7MB available to the user.

Ha! more like 4MB, and they'll charge and arm and a leg for the POS. bastards

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by nekrataal
Ha! more like 4MB, and they'll charge and arm and a leg for the POS. bastards
No no, POS Version 5 will be included! <ducking>

[kusumo]

What is a masked ROM anyway?

[wilsonch_98]

FYI, TG50/H (For Hong Kong) S/N 750xxxx is has no flash

[eggowong]

Okay folks, we may be on to something here regarding which units have flash memory and which don't. Thanks to Paxton's link, I downloaded JackFlash onto my own TG50, yet, it did not detect any flash memory Oddly enough however, the serial number on my unit is indeed within the 300xxxx range, at 30097xx. I'm guessing that maybe a few hundred units down the road from 30026xx (chrislee2000's unit), Sony decided to either hide or shield it from view. Drat. And I was hoping to tap into flash...:mad:

[Beavis]

Mine is 3007322 - Has Flash

[eggowong]

Double drat! :mad:

[Beavis]

:)

[DaveVa]

My serial number is 30124xx and has flash. PEG-TG50/U

Makes no sense based upon what has been posted previously - but I am not complaining.

DaveG

[aarecordati]

mine is 30131xx and it does not have Flash ROM :mad:

[mikeTG50]

Another data point for comparison:

My serial number is 30124xx and has flash ROM (on a TG50/U). I bought it from eCOST.com in late March.

[graph101]

miketg50, so you dont have flashrom?

[mikeTG50]

Actually I was posting to say that my TG50 ***has*** flash rom (3648k free, and I just filled it up!)

[JGCcom]

Can anyone give a serial number for JackFlash b5 not b7
plzzzz
thks

JGC

[yOyOYoo]

sure, it's 1234567

[Psamtik]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yOyOYoo
[B]Yay for Flash! It's like our TG50s have 14.6MB RAM instead of 11MB.

Hey! Wait a minute! This is a rip!! It says on the box, the TG50 is supposed to be a 16mb PDA! Why didn't Sony add the other 2 mb? If you want to use the flash player, you have to keep some memory free, so that essentially turns your TG50 into an 8mb PDA! Sony should have filled it up to 16 mb, that way we would have 13 mb free!

[alan98]

Mine's a TG-50/G serial No: 7000XXX. No flash....=(

[eggowong]

Shwarbage. Absolute shwarbage. Welp, that blows my theory out of the water. Now I have no idea how they set up which ones had flash accessibility or not. Still...11MB of usable RAM is better than nothing (or in my case, the 7MB that was available for the old N710C).

[Unregistered]

S/N of my TG-50 is: 303xxxx, no Flash also.

[Dom]

My S/N is 1000xxx, and has 64K free flash (only!) - TG50(Japan)

[BroClie]

I believe that 63 or 64k is all the flash you get available on the lite version of JackFlash, until you purchase the full version.

The fact that it shows availability should indicate that your unit's rom is flashable with more memory space after you buy a full version of JackFlash or other program.

Some of you Pros correct me if I'm incorrect.

[Beseb]

How do I get the full version of the beta? I went to the site, bought the program and was directed to DL v2.6. Obviously this version won't work on my device.

I looked all over their site and can only see the "lite" version of the beta.

I confirmed that my device (s/n TG/U 3008xxx) has the nearly 4MB available.

[Edit: NM, I just recieved an email with a link to dl the registered version of the beta]

[yOyOYoo]

Beseb, you're gonna love that 3.5mb of flash!

[graph101]

Everyone, Can the SN be seen clearly on the BOX? i have some friends working at staples so i can easily ask for favors.



BTW can anyone email me the latest jackflash beta at graph101@comcast.net

[mikeTG50]

Yes, on my box the serial number is listed below the second bar code (it reads "S01-30124xx-A", which includes the serial number).

However, from the previous posts, serial numbers beginning with "301..." may or may not have flash rom (mine happens to have it).

[graph101]

what is S01? if i ask for the first 3 #s it will be S01 then. so i should ask for the first 6 chars or #s .

[graph101]

what is S01? if i ask for the first 3 #s it will be S01 then. so i should ask for the first 6 chars or #s .

[Ah9]

I'll say the first 3 digits after the S01 then

[Unregistered]

Mine tg50 has a serial num 30103xx no flash rom :-(

[Shipwreck]

Well, I have the TG50/U and I tried the new jackflash trial. I found that I have Flash memory, so I bought Jackflash. I just installed it and I find I have 3647K of Free Flash!!:D :D :D
I don't know why Sony didn't put flash in all the TG50's, but I'm glad they put it in mine.

PS. I also have a 3003*** Serial Number. That must be the determining factor here.

BTW, is it safe to store Jackflash itself in Flash ROM??

Here is what I've put in so far with no problems....

Always On
Aqua
Battery
Billiards
Crosswords
GameCom
Teal Doc
Time Copy
WA Clock
Zap!2016
ZL Manager
ZLauncher

I probably won't keep the games in flash, just wanted to see if they would work. :)

[ClieT615]

30103xx and get the device not equipped with Flash message :(

[yOyOYoo]

I don't know if you should put a launcher into Flash, I've read about posts saying that sometimes Launchers become problematic when put into flash. (Someone back me up here or prove me wrong)

Also, I especially would not put ZLauncher into your Flash - unless of course you don't mind taking it out of flash every 2 weeks when they do their buggy upgrades... =)

[Unregistered]

On my TG50 the serial number is 3012xxx and it showed up on JackFlash Lite banner as having 3648K free, so all hope is not lost for 301xxxx devices!

[gwping]

HI, Mine TG50/G, Serial No. 700XXXX also no flash ROM, just bough yesterday! What is all this meaning?

[graph101]

gwping, where did you buy it?

PAXTON, do you think a serial # of 300 is still available somewhere?

[t123hk]

Mine is TG-50/H with sn:750xxxx, also no flash. :( Before I try JackFlash, I checked the sn and noticed the label printed with "MADE IN JAPAN" and hoped, well maybe I have better luck....... :(

[Shipwreck]

yOyOYoo
I never really thought about having launcher problems by putting zlauncher in flash. It hasn't given me any problems yet, but It's good advice anyway. besides, there are other programs that I can pop into flash that will free up as much if not more space.

[Ah9]

I put almost all the daily use program in the flash, now only 400K left in flash but 6.5MB left for the RAM. Also, so far I have no problem running Yishow in the flash

[paxton]

Originally posted by graph101
gwping, where did you buy it?

PAXTON, do you think a serial # of 300 is still available somewhere?

don't know. Those a very early ones. Maybe you can get one on ebay?

[Unregistered]

PEG-TG50/U SN 30096xx, JackFlash Light v3.0b7 says I don't have flash. I guess all 300s don't include the flash. I wonder what Sony's reasoning for this is.

[Beseb]

I have Zlauncher in flash and thus far no problems.

[shan_s]

Hi everyone,

Just to add to the list of Serial numbers. I DO NOT have flash on my TG50/U and my serial number is 30097xx

Too Bad!

[graph101]

shan_s i wonder if the latest batch are better than the first ones. wonder if they fixed sound quality on mp3 and screens wavy lines.

[Porter]

Just downloaded JFLight and I HAVE 3648 AVAILABLE! My serial numer is 30083xx. I bought it from best buy here in the san francisco bay area.

[yOyOYoo]

About putting launchers into flash, I think it only becomes problematic after a hard reset. I dunno, that's what i read in past threads.

[magpies14]

Originally posted by gwping
HI, Mine TG50/G, Serial No. 700XXXX also no flash ROM, just bough yesterday! What is all this meaning?

gwping...are you from Penang, M'sia...

Guys..me too having the serial No. 700XXXX also does not have any Flash ROM, I got mine last three weeks ago here in KL, M'sia.

[kusumo]

Sony needs to explain this!!! >_<

[Shipwreck]

I wonder, for those of us who are lucky enough to have flash ram available, will we also be able to eventually upgrade our Palm-OS version as well? Hmmmmm, something to think about. ;)

[gwping]

graph101,
I bough from Penang, Malaysia.......... How about you?

magpies14,
Do I know you? How you know I am from Penang, Malaysia? I bough mine last few days..........From Penang, Malaysia..........

Best Regards,
gwping

[PHOEnix]

I cant believe it.
I used to have a tungsten t, i thought a flash rom is a STANDARD feature with a current highend pda... I didnt even look for it when I bought the tg50.

Now I have the cool tg50 with great software, and the tungsten t with flash rom and 3 Megs RAM more.
Can someone explain to me, why the sony only has 11 MB of 16 MB available? Where are the other 5?

What consequences does it have not to have a flash rom? (besides that jacksprat/flash thing). Guess we are not able to update to os6? What else?

I am thinking of sending the tg50 back, but I dont know what is more important.. to have a pda that is working fine because it has cool soft but does not have a flash rom... or a device which has one, but is not equipped with such cool soft.

I am especially pointing to that dial problem the european tg50 model seems to have. There seems to be an OLD dial version in the rom which prevents the tg50 from dialing in the builtin address book.
The device looks so good, if I take a closer look, I am scared. I thought ... sony is quality?

[BroClie]

Be Careful..

There seems to be alot of confusion about which TG-50's have flash ROM.

The serial numbers members have been posting show this inconsistency.

Using JackFlash lite, if it reports 64k rom available, then you have flash which will be fully accessible after you purchase the full JackFlash.

If there is no flash rom available, then a dialogue box in JackFlash says so.

Read this entire thread to see the inconsistency in which serial numbers have and have no flash rom.

I know, since I have 2 TG-50's, one with and one without flash rom.

[JGCcom]

if someone can help me, would be great :)
a need a password for JackFlash version 5 plzzzz

plzzz send me a message to JGC_com@yahoo.com

thks

[eggowong]

PHOEnix,

I believe flash ROM is standard in many PDAs, but I think most manufacturers hold it in reserve for stuff like system patches or updates. All of us here on the board can only guess at why Sony decided to sucked away 5MB of the 16MB RAM that is installed instead of dumping all or a portion into flash. The most obvious thing would be for the preinstalled apps.

Consequences? (shrugs) I can't think of any, since I had assumed that I would have no access to the flash when I bought the TG50 initially (my theory about a specific set of serial numbers was shot down after seeing the posts of others with serial numbers higher than my own having flash memory). I'm not really complaining, since I still have over 5MB of space left after transferring the stuff off my old N710C.

I'd keep it. The TG50 is just way too cool =) I'm sure I'm not the only one (especially the lucky ones who have access to flash!!!)


SIDENOTE: I wonder, will Sony dick consumers again if & when they should release an updated version of the TG? 32MB preinstalled...but in small fine print, only 27MB...25MB??? :eek:

[graph101]

eggowong and everybody,

Why should i look for flashable tg50? Im wondering now. Am i gonna end up deleting important apps like Clieremote or pixcel viewer in order to free up some spacE??? when you do a hard reset how much memory does it have? if included netfront how much is there left?

[Shipwreck]

I don't believe that you can remove the default rom applications using Jackflash, At least they are not listed in the list of applications in Flash.

[eggowong]

graph101,

It's not really requirement to go looking for a TG50 with flash memory accessibility (it boggles my mind as to Sony's wacky ways of enabling access to flash, since some units have it, some don't, even though their serial numbers may be closely related and is off by only tenths or hundredths), but it's nice to have it, since you can dump some applications there. I think Shipwreck may be right in that the preloaded apps may not be removable from ROM, but maybe some of the apps you install could go in to flash (though I'm not sure if NetFront can fit into flash; I thought I read a few posts back that NetFront occupies around 3.5MB and from what I've seen, the available flash is just slightly over 3.6MB). If I had access to flash memory on my unit, I'd dump AtomSmash and Bejeweled into it, possibly PrintBoy. Ya know, come to think of it, I don't know what a hard reset would do for the memory indicator after you get access to flash. Hmmmmm...any of you guys out there willing to find out? =) In any event, I don't really mind that I was one of the unlucky folks that got a TG50 with the hidden flash. Oh well...11MB is better than nothing. Now if the TG50 had the 64MB RAM (51MB usable) that the Tungsten C has, this whole issue with the flash would be moot...:)

[graph101]

eggowong, you havent answered my question =) Do i have to delete the apps taking up 3.6mb of flash space to be able to use it? or its already there ready for you to use. if yes then what is it for???

for flashless tgs where is the 3.6mb? it doesnt exist or it just cant be touched by owners?

[magpies14]

Gwping, I knew you from your posting in autoworld.com.my..in the WPC forum...me too a WPC member....keep in touch with me at magpies14@rocketmail.com

[DaveVa]

The 3.6 MB is in addition to the standard apps that are in flash. There is another App that will allow you to delete the standard apps to get even more (I think it is called JackSprat), but it does not yet work on the TG50.

I think the extra space is there just because memory chipsets are bought in standard sizes (e.g. 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 MB). I think the 3.6MB is just what is left over after Sony put in there stuff.... Just a theory.

Dave

[graph101]

Daveva, so its not for cache?

[eggowong]

Ack! Apologies for not giving you a direct answer, graph101. DaveVa says it all. Those that have access to flash would have the extra 3.6MB to use (giving them a total of 14MB instead of 11MB, though I don't know if the unit would actually display 14MB or not). Honestly, I have no idea what the extra 3.6MB is used for, possibly cache like you said. Dave's theory about it being extra space is another possibility.

Those that don't have access to flash have the 3.6MB of extra space...they just can't use it because it's either been masked or shielded. It's there, but JackFlash can't access it.

Lemme know if I missed the target answer again :eek:

[graph101]

11mb.. hmmm im thinking how much im using on my t665c. Thanks for your answer! i'll still look for that damn flashable tg50. btw eggowong or anyone with flashable tgs , can you type in the first 7 digits of your serial #? coz i remember that its not 300x right away. is it right under the barcodE? i need to instruct a store employee

[eggowong]

graph101,

*whew* Got the answer right :D To some, 11MB may still be insufficient, but man, when I first had the N710C, I thought at the time 7MB was a lot (same issue with the TG50, a small portion of RAM was diverted to flash), but after installing various applications, I suddenly found that I was always out of memory.

I have one of the flash memory retarded ones, even though I the serial number of my unit is in the lower portion of the 300xxxx-series (mine is 300972x). Oddly enough, from the responses I got when I first posted my theory about possibly the units below my own serial number having access to flash, some users having units starting with 301xxxx were able to access flash. Maybe the person at the assembly line was drunk that day and stuck the serial number stickers in the wrong order.

As for your question, the serial number is directly above the main UPC bar code (it's above a dividing line that says POS Bar Code underneath). The serial number starts out with "S01" with the middle 7 digits being the actual serial number.

[cliemongrel]

FYI: 30053... I have 3648. IF I had the full version. Do old full versions recognize TG50 ROM? Are one of the new betas necessary?

edit: never mind - I looked it up, latest rev is necessary. Blah

[yOyOYoo]

Netfront fits into flash. Just move the application and not the associated databases. The Cache for netfront stays in RAM. So netfront takes up 2023K in Flash.

I don't use it very often, i'm thinking of just moving it back to the MS with powerrun and moving more of my essential applications into FLASH.

[paxton]

Originally posted by DaveVa
The 3.6 MB is in addition to the standard apps that are in flash. There is another App that will allow you to delete the standard apps to get even more (I think it is called JackSprat), but it does not yet work on the TG50.
[...]
Dave

Hi according to Brayder there will be no version of JackSprat for OS5 Clie devices. It would be great but live isn't either ;))

[graph101]

Paxton, what do you mean there wont be any jacksprat..does this mean Flashable TGs wont have any use? or there will only be 3.6mb usable and the rest of the builtin apps cannot be delete..

can you delete the apps you added on the 3.6mb?

[cliemongrel]

Curious - just where does one GET NetFront for a Clie? It's not at handango or palmgear, and my google searches are iffiy.

[eggowong]

If I'm not mistaken, NetFront comes on the CLIE software disc as an add-on application.

[yOyOYoo]

Originally posted by graph101
Paxton, what do you mean there wont be any jacksprat..does this mean Flashable TGs wont have any use? or there will only be 3.6mb usable and the rest of the builtin apps cannot be delete..

can you delete the apps you added on the 3.6mb?


Jacksprat is used to delete applications (such as the built in ones) from Flash. Since it will not be OS5 compatible, we will not be able to delete the built in apps to save more space.

It makes no difference to me though, for now 3.6Mb is a huge jump in space. Also, if you read about people's disaster stories with Jackflash and Jacksprat where they deleted their ROMs and were left with a dead palm, the problems mostly arose from using Jacksprat and deleting databases that weren't supposed to be deleted.

Jackflash is really safe. I had to hard reset due to ScummVM earlier today. Backupman plus Flash Enable totally restored my device precisely in less thn 5 minutes. =)

[kusumo]

My TG is 302xxxx, and no ROM according to JackFlash.

But I just found something today!

Anyone has iSilo installed in their TG, go to Tools - System Information.

In my TG (serial 302xxxx) I saw the following:

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Dynamic Free: 3856K Total:4096K
Storage: Free: 2593K Total: 11263K
--------------------------------------------------

Question: does the free "Dynamic" refer to the available ROM??

[graph101]

I got my TG50, the down rocker key are harder to press than up key.

i got 301XXX..no flash. =( ill get it replaced coz of the rocker key

[steven_wck]

Originally posted by rTenshi
Does the /G have free ROM?

Mine's a TG50/G and it has no flashable ROM :-(
feel like changing my CLIE for a T|C now...

[graph101]

steven_wck. i have loaded all my apps and moved apps i dont usually use to MS. i still have 4mb on my nonflashable TG. but 3mb+ is still better right?

using powerrun on rarely used app is still pretty fast.

[Sneezy]

I just got a copy of jackflash, and emmmm, it feels so good to have that extra 3 megs.

Not to rub it in, but emmmmmum!

[neil@domino.org]

Does this ROM issue mean that CLie's won't be upgradable to PALM OS 5.2 or 6?

Neil.

[voodoo_v]

Originally posted by kusumo
My TG is 302xxxx, and no ROM according to JackFlash.

But I just found something today!

Anyone has iSilo installed in their TG, go to Tools - System Information.

In my TG (serial 302xxxx) I saw the following:

--------------------------------------------------
Dynamic Free: 3856K Total:4096K
Storage: Free: 2593K Total: 11263K
--------------------------------------------------

Question: does the free "Dynamic" refer to the available ROM??

No, that 4MB is the reason why you only have 11MB RAM. OS5 takes 4MB of the 16MB RAM to use as dynamic working space for applications.

[mfcboy]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
My serial number is 300xxxx. Does this mean that I'm lucky?


Also does BackupMan backup applications in Flash? I have this "Flash Enable" program, which from the readme, I assume is used to backup Flash programs in the event of a hard reset. Anyone confirm? Also I get mixed messages from previous posts regarding Netfront.

Can it or can it not be moved into Flash?

mine is 300944x,but no flash according to the JackFlash3.0b7 reporting.

[neon]

Sony's web site and PDF states unequivocally that the TG50 has 16 MB of flash ROM. I bought one and do not know whether or not it is, as others say, without the ROM. Perhaps it is in there and inaccessible? I've heard others say that the US version has less ROM than stated. If it does not then I am very interested in beginning a class action suit against Sony for false advertising. If this is the case, please feel free to email me at tg50@quickdirect.com.

I'm not kidding. Sony defrauded us before with a voice recorder, stating it had everything to sync to a computer, only to find out you needed to buy another $70 accessory...

[mfcboy]

support neon!!!

[graph101]

is there a way to rename recorded files?

[mfcboy]

export the files into PC ?

[IronMan]

I have a TG-50/G (bought in the Phils.) with serial number 7001xxx. According to JackFlash, it does not have Flash ROM. However, the TG-50 was launched in Hong Kong as the TG-50/H. Likewise, I got an e-mail from them confirming that the TG-50/H does have Flash ROM. No mention was made, however, of the /G-variant.

This now has me confused. I too thought that _all_ TG-50's would have flash ROM.

[neon]

Per Brayden, it appears that Sony did a little switcheroo on us. Despite SOS confirming with me that the TG50 has flash ROM... here is Brayden's explanation of why JackFlash lite says there is no flash ROM:

"Unfortunately, no. We won't ever be able to support
these devices. Instead of Flash ROM, Sony uses
Mask ROM with these devices. Mask ROM cannot
be changed--making our products useless."

[AcuraCL]

Originally posted by neon
Sony's web site and PDF states unequivocally that the TG50 has 16 MB of flash ROM. ...

That's interesting. The PDF I'm looking at says no such thing. It says only 16 MB RAM, 16 MB ROM.

http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/media/PDF/TG50_SpecSheet.pdf

[neon]

Originally posted by AcuraCL


That's interesting. The PDF I'm looking at says no such thing. It says only 16 MB RAM, 16 MB ROM.

http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/media/PDF/TG50_SpecSheet.pdf

I called SonyStyle and wrote to SOS. Both confirmed the Flash ROM. They made it that way since inception.

It's common marketing practice to leave things as open ended as possible. Unfortunately with all the reviews and the fact that there was no indication in any model number change is very misleading and concealing.

[wyattwong]

Does JackFlash works for NX70V ?

[yOyOYoo]

yes it does

[Unregistered]

And My TG50/U, 303xxxx, No flash too!

[BlueTooth]

My unit has serial number 3019XXX and has flash. Does anyone know of a site where I can buy Jackflash for cheap with some coupons may be?

[ir803]

I bought my TG50 from USA with clieplanet, shipped to the uk it has a serial number starting 30125, I have run jack flash light and woo hoo it seems I have the alotted 3.5 meg ish of flash available. don't really need it at the mo but it's nice to know it's there.