Registered vs. Unregistered Users

[oogabooga]

Just on the topic of the recent "Sony Employee" information and Reggie mentioning blocking unregistered people from posting.

Personally, I fully support blocking unregistered people from posting. I mean, registration is free and quick, and the unregistered have just caused too many problems. I haven't posted much on Cliesource - I'm more of a lurker (lol), but I've seen far too many people give false information or cause problems as unregistered.

Reggie & co., I know this is your board, and we all thank you for it. Just wanted to throw in my $0.02.

Sameer

[kdn102]

Ditto

[asterisk]

Ditto:rolleyes:

[LockeEVP]

Ditto

[hherbzilla]

Ditto

[n2ifp]

Likewise!

[ayasin]

I'm all for registration. I've seen several discussions about this topic and even put up a poll myself after the first time I saw an unregistered spam attack about a warez site. I don't believe it's that difficult and if your a Sony employee you could always use a fake email address or ClieSource could "loose" your registration info (those darn unreliable drives are always giving us trouble :)).

[tanker_bob]

Ditto.

[Mr Sheen]

Same here

[OcellNuri]

Do you have to be registered to vote?? :D

[ayasin]

Originally posted by OcellNuri
Do you have to be registered to vote?? :D
Yes :)

[cbulock]

One vote here for registering! Almost every board requires it, and I have never seen any complaints. It's easy, and while it won't remove spamming and trolling, it sure can't hurt.

[stronggeek]

Another YES for registration.

I like this poll and aggree with it, but still find it ironic and almost funny because the unregistered can't vote yes or no unless they register.

I guess this vote will hep the owner of this site get a feel for what the registered folk realy want, but the unregistered are collectively screwed since they can't vote (and the reasoning is understandable),.

Though we could assume most would vote no to registration anyway we'll never really know unless they register to vote "no".

Looks like registration wins. Hope the site owner makes it happen!

[Marudine]

Yes, stronggeek you got a valid point. I believe people like you and me who had registered is due to the fact that we want to participate in the forum and get genuine advices across all boarders.

But one thing, without unreg's postings .. life here might seems too striaght and smooth .. at least they contribute some kind of thinking challenge (i.e. true or false) to the forum. Don't get me wrong, I'm also on your side that member should be registered.

[stronggeek]

Point taken, though I believe there's a little bit of the "bad boy" attitude in most of us reg. users anyway, especially Larry(just joking Larry) :).

But kind people you, Marudine and Larry have often been there to remind me and others to ignore the unregisters who persist and dwell in the negativity.

At times, I admit the "bad boy" in my own self has peeked through, but I wear no mask when I faulter nor when I shine.

It's almost an integrity issue to me.

Bold enough to post it. Why not put a face or a name to it?

I've read a lot of great unregistered posts. I'd like to see those same individuals have the opportunity to vote as well (whether they want to or not :).

Originally posted by Marudine
Yes, stronggeek you got a valid point. I believe people like you and me who had registered is due to the fact that we want to participate in the forum and get genuine advices across all boarders.

But one thing, without unreg's postings .. life here might seems too striaght and smooth .. at least they contribute some kind of thinking challenge (i.e. true or false) to the forum. Don't get me wrong, I'm also on your side that member should be registered.

[n2ifp]

I am an equal opportunity bad boy, I grouch everyone :D!

[Ddeath]

Yeah, I support registration. It's a pain when you don't know who in the hell you're replying to.

[TheSpies]

I vote for registration as well. The price is right. It doesnt require any studying. Plus it makes you think twice before you decide to blow smoke up someones @ss.

This board has a better sense of community than any other i have seen. Only two things about it erk me. The unregistered junk we get sometimes and people that post 80 times in a row so they can get an avatar.

[clie_wannabe]

same here for me...
every post must be made by registered users...

[*YellowRose*]

I wish the "YES" posters would share their reasoning with the rest of us. There are [at this point] 10 yes votes, but not one has posted why in the thread.

:confused:

[crh3f]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
I wish the "YES" posters would share their reasoning with the rest of us. There are [at this point] 10 yes votes, but not one has posted why in the thread.

:confused:

ditto! I'd like to hear the other opinion!

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
I wish the "YES" posters would share their reasoning with the rest of us. There are [at this point] 10 yes votes, but not one has posted why in the thread.

:confused:

For accountability
So we know who we're talking with/replying to
To be friendly
It's easy

[Sony Employee]

There is no way that I would register on this site, even using a fake email address and name. It's just not worth the risk as far as I'm concerned.

I've seen some of the posts from unregistered users here and yes some are just dumb. I've also seen very interesting and thought provoking posts as well.

I am in a strange position, I work for Sony (not directly related to the Clie product, although I do have access to a certain amount of information) but I actually prefer to use my Dell Axim to my Clie (NX60).

My dream PDA would be the NX60 form factor with the PPC operating system. I guess my post about Sony producing a PPC was rather wishful thinking, it has been discussed but I don't think we will see it. Having said that, Sony has been getting very frustrated with PalmSource of late.

[crh3f]

What risk? You mean to you, as you are a Sony employee?

[kdn102]

Originally posted by hherbzilla


For accountability
So we know who we're talking with/replying to
To be friendly
It's easy


Is it possible that some people misunderstood the question?  From Herbie's response it looks like it may be so. 

 

[kdn102]

Originally posted by crh3f
What risk? You mean to you, as you are a Sony employee?

No matter how clandestine you try to be, the fact remains that if you give an email address when registering, even a fake, at that point there is a direct link between the poster and the board.  So someone, if they really wanted to, could trace back the registered users posts to a specific IP address.  You could still do that with unreg's if you're at the right place at the right time, or if the software logs where each message came from.

Of course you have to be really paranoid to worry about that.

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by kdn102


Is it possible that some people misunderstood the question?  From Herbie's response it looks like it may be so. 

  Oops. :) I didn't misunderstand the question... I forgot how the poll was worded. Oh, well. Just to confirm: I think you should have to register in order to post.

[OcellNuri]

The boards log every IP for every post, registered or not. The mods have access to this IP address. I don't see how giving a fake e-mail address is any worse.

[mrdeucie]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
I wish the "YES" posters would share their reasoning with the rest of us. There are [at this point] 10 yes votes, but not one has posted why in the thread.

:confused:

I think it's been discussed enough in other threads like this that it doesn't need to be reiterated again. That and at this point I am too lazy too.

[oogabooga]

Well, if you'll forgive me, I haven't come across any of the YES opinions - if someone could please enlighten me, it may change my view on things.

Sameer

[Palm Cow]

Yes, I agree. I registered back in March and it's been good because I'm under the same name as I am @ PIC (I have about 700 posts there so just the name helps) and you can make it so no one can see your email (normal users anyway) and even if you are unregistered it can be traced back to you.

So I voted NO

[stronggeek]

I'm with you oogabooga.

This is a new poll, so I wouldn't mind seeing some of the "yes" voter's reasoning behind allowing the unregistered post.

Though some claim to be too lazy to explain why(because it's already been discussed in other threads), I'm still glad there are others like yourself that are open minded enough to want to understand why.

I 've seen some posts in other threads on the subject, but would like to see something here in this thread as well (just give a little backbone to the "yes" vote in this poll).

Originally posted by oogabooga
Well, if you'll forgive me, I haven't come across any of the YES opinions - if someone could please enlighten me, it may change my view on things.

Sameer

[kdn102]

Care to post a link to that thread's reply that tells us why?

Originally posted by mrdeucie


I think it's been discussed enough in other threads like this that it doesn't need to be reiterated again. That and at this point I am too lazy too.

[benixau]

i voted no.

even people like Sony Employee. mate, i could use another computer and pretend to be you. Just register from a public terminal, dont use cookies (or clean them out), and no-one will be any the wiser.

[Roni]

I think that "Sony Employee" doesn't care about the pretending part, he just cares about his own privacy

(p.s there are also some programs out there to make ip address be much harder to trace [note for "Sony Employee"] if you need much more privacy)

[Alejandrico]

Is this poll's results going to be used for something anyway?

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by Alejandrico
Is this poll's results going to be used for something anyway? Well, it's just like any of the other polls here. It's informational, it's fodder for discussion, etc.

[Token User]

Originally posted by cbulock
One vote here for registering! Almost every board requires it, and I have never seen any complaints. It's easy, and while it won't remove spamming and trolling, it sure can't hurt. I am open to flaming - and due to the size of my mouth, and the opinions I have, I frequently get flamed. I am not going to hide behind the univeral "Unregistered" moniker ... I prefer to be anonymous from a unique psudeonym that people can at least attribute to a single individual.

Will registering stop flaming, trolling, and spamming - no. But it makes it a hellava lot easier to add an individual to your ignore list.

[Rizal]

I haven't voted yes but I will. I think unregistered folks should be allowed to post because I've been on this board long enough to conclude that registration doesn't guarantee a worthy post. Some of the worst, hate filled, negative posts I have seen come from registered users, perhaps they are worst because of the false belief that registration removes anonymity, which it doesn't, but unlike unregistered posters who are rude we can't seem to dismiss them so easily.

The only true solution is to remove anonymity altogether. Registration means sending contact info to board owners for approval. Does anyone want that? Are we really any less anonymous because of registration? Post counts and userid are not that important to most posters so are not as much of a deterrent as some think.

On the other hand, responsible unregistered posters contribute to this board not just with helpful information but with questions that result in often good discussion.

I haven't read the " Sony Employee" thread since Friday but I sure didn't find anything offensive in it. In fact, some naysayers seemed unneccessarily rude, and they were registered users. Bottom line it was a great discussion started by an unregistered user.

Sometimes lively discussion can only come when there is no fear of reprisal for speaking your mind. So I will vote yes for lively discussion and a thicker skin for regstered users.

[Baloo]

Go here to see a similar thread. Scroll down to my post (Baloo)

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=14126&pagenumber=2

[Unregistered]

all the ditto posts certainly add value to the discussion

[cbulock]

Originally posted by Unregistered
all the ditto posts certainly add value to the discussion

Sure does :D

[Unregistered]

disappointed you didn't say "ditto" :)

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by Unregistered
disappointed you didn't say "ditto" :)

Same here... :P

[Rizal]

Originally posted by OcellNuri


Same here... :P

ditto:D

[stronggeek]

ditto

Originally posted by OcellNuri


Same here... :P

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by stronggeek
ditto

Well put... er, I mean, ditto!

[Token User]

me too.

[Rick 098]

Ye...... Ditto
:)

[mrdeucie]

Originally posted by kdn102
Care to post a link to that thread's reply that tells us why?



http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13557&highlight=unregistered

Not much of an argument, but with the banning of unregistered users some people may not participate, even the ones that are here to help.

Another argument is that someone may have a question to pose doesn't want to commit to the board because they don't have a Clie yet but is just researching the Clie. They find out they dont want a clie anymore but they are still registered with this site. Not much of an argument either but I like to keep my registering to things at a minimum.

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8981&highlight=unregistered

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3853

Scroll down to Molerat's post.

Again I am getting lazy and tired and will retire for the night.

[RD100]

Another Yes vote for registration required.

:D :D :D

[Rizal]

Originally posted by RD100
Another Yes vote for registration required.

:D :D :D

I wonder how many YES votes in the poll were from people who want universal registration?

[Unregistered]

Interesting that when you look at the currently active information there is always a significantly higher number of guests than members using the site.

[OcellNuri]

Yes, but that number is talking about who is reading, not who is posting. Guests can always read. The movement is to try and restrict posting.

[stronggeek]

I aggree with Ocell.

By nature, your going to have more unregistered lurkin and not posting.

I believe it's like this at many sites.

I do lurk at other sites also, but if I'm gonna post at these sites, I can't hide.

I must register to be able to post.Originally posted by Unregistered
Interesting that when you look at the currently active information there is always a significantly higher number of guests than members using the site.

[Unregistered]

Guess I am just too dull to get it. Making up a login name doesn't make anyone really know who anyone is. The only advantage I can see is that someone can put a registered member on ignore.

Mods can see IP addresses but even with that AOL and many other types of internet accesses do use static IPs.

So I can register and say I am a chick when I am not, say I live in Arkansas when I live in NJ. So what really do you know?

[kp*]

Every time this has come up in the past I have voted for allowing unregistered people to post because I didn't feel the troll problem was bad enough to justify the inconvenience to those who might want to ask a quick question or add a piece of info to a thread without registering.
The recent rash of trolls with supposed information about the new Clie (at least some of them must be trolls since they contradict each other) has made me change my mind. I believe someone like Sony Employee, who has obviously taken a lot of time to answer our questions, might make the effort to register, but it would discourage those who just want to make one post about some new Clie to stir things up.
As for security, if everyone's IPs are logged I don't see how it makes a difference, or you could use a public computer or a friend's or something.
So I now cast my vote for the ban!

[stronggeek]

This alone is a good enough reason for me.

Originally posted by Unregistered
The only advantage I can see is that someone can put a registered member on ignore. 

[TheSpies]

Originally posted by Unregistered
So I can register and say I am a chick when I am not, say I live in Arkansas when I live in NJ. So what really do you know?

That your a guy from Jersey?

[mrdeucie]

Originally posted by stronggeek

By nature, your going to have more unregistered lurkin and not posting.

I believe it's like this at many sites.


I don't find that to be true at all and I visit quite a few message boards.

[stronggeek]

I visit many also, but I sure don't register at most of them nor do I post at most of them.

It's probably just me. :)

Originally posted by mrdeucie


I don't find that to be true at all and I visit quite a few message boards.

[mrdeucie]

Originally posted by stronggeek
I visit many also, but I sure don't register at most of them nor do I post at most of them.

It's probably just me. :)

:)

[cbulock]

Originally posted by Rizal


I wonder how many YES votes in the poll were from people who want universal registration?

Your probably right. By the number of responses to the thread, the 'Yes' count seems kinda high.

[kp*]

Originally posted by mrdeucie


Another argument is that someone may have a question to pose doesn't want to commit to the board because they don't have a Clie yet but is just researching the Clie.
I think this is a fair point. Maybe we could keep the "Switching to Clie" forum open to everyone, that is if the boards can be set to allow posting in some forums and not others. That might be a nice compromise.

[jumpyg]

If users don't have to register before posting, the terrorists have already won!

--JumpyG

[oogabooga]

I've read a few statements saying that people could simply use a fake e-mail and whatnot to register and remain anonymous. That's fine by me - but at least that anonymous person will be linked to their previous posts.

My key point is that if a relatively new member posts a 'hot tip', we know something is fishy - we can see that this person has only made one or two posts. This way there's no speculation about who 'Unregistered' is, and how good their info is.

Meanwhile, if we get a hot tip from some with a high post count, it's quite likely that person is a well established member of the Cliesource community, and we can put a lot of stock in what they say...

At any rate, I'd like to thank everyone for their comments - I really appreciate it.

Sameer

[Unregistered]

You probably could have saved a lot of time bandwidth by just doing a search and reading the other 100 polls and threads about unregistered posters.

[Rizal]

Originally posted by oogabooga
I've read a few statements saying that people could simply use a fake e-mail and whatnot to register and remain anonymous. That's fine by me - but at least that anonymous person will be linked to their previous posts.

My key point is that if a relatively new member posts a 'hot tip', we know something is fishy - we can see that this person has only made one or two posts. This way there's no speculation about who 'Unregistered' is, and how good their info is.

Meanwhile, if we get a hot tip from some with a high post count, it's quite likely that person is a well established member of the Cliesource community, and we can put a lot of stock in what they say...

At any rate, I'd like to thank everyone for their comments - I really appreciate it.

Sameer

Sameer, your first point is well taken, there is continuity from a registered poster regardless of whether we know their identity or not. I understand your second point, it is true that a person with a high post count tends to have more creidibility that an unregistered poster.
It us not an either/or situation. Currently, we have both and registered users with higher post counts TEND to protect that post count by posting responsibly, this now always the case though. Secondly, unregistered posters with tips that turned out to be true have posted and no registered user bakced that up. This is often the nature of hot tips that they only come from one source. We may lose these tips if all posters must register then we will know nothing.
I know a lot of cr*p is posted on these boards from registered and unregistered posters bu the same token alot of good stuff is posted by registered and unregistered posters. I'm confident enough in my critical thinking skills to tell the difference so I tend to prefer more info than less or filtered info.

[timw_de]

How difficult would it be to have an "Unregistered" forum
"Unregistered's" would only be allowed to post there, and it would be up to the individual if he read that forum or not

[Rizal]

Originally posted by timw_de
How difficult would it be to have an "Unregistered" forum
"Unregistered's" would only be allowed to post there, and it would be up to the individual if he read that forum or not

Here's the thing, when I was out of town I wanted to reply in a thread but since I never have to enter my password in my primary computer I didn't know what my password is so I replied as unregistered. Maybe I was helpful to the thread starter maybe I wasn't but I couldn't have even tried if I couldn't post as unregistered.

[hherbzilla]

Originally posted by Rizal
Here's the thing, when I was out of town I wanted to reply in a thread but since I never have to enter my password in my primary computer I didn't know what my password is so I replied as unregistered. Maybe I was helpful to the thread starter maybe I wasn't but I couldn't have even tried if I couldn't post as unregistered. Wait just a minute! This is a forum for Clie owners. You mean to tell me you didn't have your PDA with you? Or that you don't use SplashID or some such app to keep track of your passwords? tsk tsk ;)

[Rizal]

Originally posted by hherbzilla
Wait just a minute! This is a forum for Clie owners. You mean to tell me you didn't have your PDA with you? Or that you don't use SplashID or some such app to keep track of your passwords? tsk tsk ;)

It's a tragedy alright,:( I had both my PDA and SplashID, I just never got around to entering that particular password. It's there now though, I do prefer to post as a registered user.

[mrdeucie]

Originally posted by hherbzilla
Wait just a minute! This is a forum for Clie owners. You mean to tell me you didn't have your PDA with you? Or that you don't use SplashID or some such app to keep track of your passwords? tsk tsk ;)

Blasphemy!!

[IB Michael]

Register..... what's the big deal?

[Roni]

Originally posted by timw_de
How difficult would it be to have an "Unregistered" forum
"Unregistered's" would only be allowed to post there, and it would be up to the individual if he read that forum or not

i think i already mentioned that in an another thread somewhere here in cliesource...

[jimroad]

I avoid unregistered posts mostly 'cause they're senseless and idiotic most of the time.

[Mr Sheen]

Originally posted by jimroad
I avoid unregistered posts mostly 'cause they're senseless and idiotic most of the time.

I disagree strongly.

I am in favor of registration for posting, but most of the "Unregistered" posts are positively contributing to ClieSource. It is because those posters bring something that they should register so as to be part of our community.

Sheen