Where is the new clie ???

[Marudine]

Seems like the fever of new clie had died. No news, no rumours, no speculation etc. Don't really know what is going on now .. weeks ago, people here are so enthusiastic over the new clie, but look at the recent posts .. seems like the enthusiasts are either patiently waiting or perhaps some had already given up and go for Tungsten C. Sigh !  :confused:

[Alejandrico]

Do you want to heard something about new clies?
well, Clies with Palm OS 6.0 may be shipping in mid 2004, this based on a news about PALM OS6 being released late this year

[Marudine]

Yes, I knew about this .. is all in the PalmInfocenter.com web site. I'm talking about the coming new clie, nit the Palm OS 6 ... is too far to "smell" its presence at the moment.

[alsa]

I want the new Clie now!!

Ok, maybe not now, but soon :D

[edeab220]

This was on a recent newsletter from CliePlanet...

I mentioned in the last newsletter that some new Clies were on the way and I have received so many emails asking for information I thought I would give you the details I have- most of you are expecting an updated NX Clie and I have been told to expect 32MB RAM with Bluetooth built in and some upgraded applications- this is no surprise. The other Clie will have a hi-res+ screen and no groundbreaking features at all- the main feature will be it's design which is supposedly very slim (just a few millimetres thicker than the T-series) and it should run OS5. Don't take this as gospel as it is not confirmed but the person concerned has given me early information 4 times so far and they have been correct every time. The expected official announcements are VERY soon Please don't email asking for more information (there isn't any)

[alsa]

yeah, thanks... We've known this for weeks now :)

[n2ifp]

Gee, I had acquired a new Clie 7 months ago and it's still like new :).

[Jeffry]

Remember when the NZ90 came out? No warning signs, no speculations, nothing....

When I first heard about the news I was shocked and awed.

[Marudine]

Can someone make some genuine info about the new clie? I've been waiting since the first day of NZ90.

Well, where is the person who posted "my friend's wife" who work in SONY ... please give us some info.

[stefe]

Some other thread mentioned the end of May, so it should be soon by now.

Stefe

[Sony Employee]

You didn't hear this from me but.......

To be released at the end of May - Sony Clie T380.
480 x 320 screen
Embedded BT and 802.11b
2 x Memory Stick Slots
Palm OS 5.02
64MB RAM
48MB ROM
Intel PXA255 400MHz Processor.

[Joel]

Awesome. It's a combination of many things Clie users are clamoring for. Any pics? :D

[Sony Employee]

Originally posted by fireball
Awesome. It's a combination of many things Clie users are clamoring for. Any pics? :D

No pics, but watch the FCC site early next week. The approval for the two radio systems is expected any day now!

I've tested a prototype, best Clie ever!!!!

[Marudine]

so is this the only model that sony is launching .. or perhaps is a tandem launch ? So the above spec you've mentioned is not clamshell I suppose.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Marudine
so is this the only model that sony is launching .. or perhaps is a tandem launch ? So the above spec you've mentioned is not clamshell I suppose.

No, it's the T Series form factor. There is a new NX but it's some time away. We were hoping to produce it with OS6 but delays in that area mean it's being reconfigurerd as an OS5 product.

By the way, the NZ form factor is going to be dropped because of poor sales.

[Marudine]

So when is SONY going to officially announce the new T series clie ? So any idea the nx form factor clie is coming out ?? (I'm actually waiting for the nx replacement instead)

[Sony Employee]

The plan is to announce the T380 as soon as the FCC approval process is complete.
The device has passed all the testing so no delays are anticipated.
There will be no news on the new NX100 series for a few months due to the delay with Palm OS6. I can say that the NX100 will come with twin Memory Stick slots as well as the two wireless protocols.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by Sony Employee
You didn't hear this from me but.......

To be released at the end of May - Sony Clie T380.
480 x 320 screen
Embedded BT and 802.11b
2 x Memory Stick Slots
Palm OS 5.02
64MB RAM
48MB ROM
Intel PXA255 400MHz Processor.

A couple of items are questionable.

T380: Why would the numbering go down for such a major upgrade?

Embedded 802.11b and 2 Memory Stick slots but only a few millimetres thicker than the T-series?

If there is a VG T-series, as so many people have been hoping, that would be great, but perhaps specs for NX & T are being confused. Don't expect so so many features in a T-series and good battery life. What is needed first would be a good replacable rechargable battery.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Sony Employee
You didn't hear this from me but.......

To be released at the end of May - Sony Clie T380.
480 x 320 screen
Embedded BT and 802.11b
2 x Memory Stick Slots
Palm OS 5.02
64MB RAM
48MB ROM
Intel PXA255 400MHz Processor.

This sounds liks pure BS.

48Mb rom?? Why would they ever need that much ROM? OS6 will not be that big, if they are looking ahead for upgrades.

And T380? What a hideous name.

[Marudine]

How come the T380 is not a Palm OS 5.2 version ??

How about Virtual Graffiti on the T380 ?

[Sony Employee]

Originally posted by Marudine
How come the T380 is not a Palm OS 5.2 version ??

How about Virtual Graffiti on the T380 ?

Palm OS 5.02 is a version of OS5 designed specifically for the new Clie products. Because of our investment in PalmSource we can now have our own OS versions produced which saves time in Sony's development labs.

The T380 does have a Soft Input Area. The input options are Block Recognizer (licensed from Microsoft), on-screen keyboard, Jot and Fitaly.

[Sony Employee]

Originally posted by Unregistered


This sounds liks pure BS.

48Mb rom?? Why would they ever need that much ROM? OS6 will not be that big, if they are looking ahead for upgrades.

And T380? What a hideous name.

Why so much ROM? Just because it could be added at no incremental cost to Sony. Some of the ROM is available for the user, for storage memory or to install applications so it's a major step forward. It was important that we offer more memory than competing Palm devices.

T380 is our development name. Marketing would kill me if I revealed the market name for this new T Series Clie!

[robrecht]

SONY Employee,

Why no incremental cost? That makes no sense.

And embedded 802.11b and 2 Memory Stick slots with no incremental increase in form factor?

I'm still trying to figure out if your responsiveness is more or less credible than a real SONY employee.

[robrecht]

Aren't we lucky to have so much inside information available today! Hey, anybody know which songs SONY is considering for the Dixie Chicks' next CD?

[Marudine]

Studs, so what is your story regrading the new clie ?? (i mean is it a T or NX form factor)

[Sony Employee]

I'm told that the T380 will be approved and posted on the FCC website by Tuesday of next week.
Launch date for the US and Canada will be June 2, 2003.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by studs


Sorry I dont know the details... But please be patient. I know it will come out in Taiwan in early June. So let's keep eyes on Sony Taiwan website in mid May as the pre-sale begins two weeks ahead. But I guess it's a T model...:cool:

Studds, since your friend is in Japan and I am here in the US he might have information I don't. Does he know anything about the release of the NX100? In our office we don't get final details until the product is just about out of development.

As I understand it, the NX100 will be shipped with Sony's Palm OS5.02 with a free upgrade offer to POS 6.x when available.

[robrecht]

Anyone seen the National Inquirer today? Apparently, Martians have landed in Gdansk and given birth to two headed cows that are developing hydrogen fuel cells for the new Clie T-series.

[Marudine]

Ok, no matter who is right or wrong, let's see on next Tue. But however, I'm quite disappointed due to the fact that the NX replacement will not be available until Palm OS 6.

[Marudine]

There is a post "New Clie Reveled" a few mintues ago, mentioning about Nx75 with 0.9 MP camera with 32mb RAM and integrated Wifi & BT. And the post vanished later ... what is going on here .. ???????

[Reggie]

We took it out since it it mentioned that it was just a hoax. We just felt that it will just lead to flaming and more confusion. If it was started by a registered member we might have retained it.

This makes us think more if we would still continue allow posting from unregistered members... :(

[Alejandrico]

You are fast!

[Marudine]

sorry Reggie, then how about the posts in the thread by "Sony Employee" who is also an unregistered member ?? He/She in fact mentioned about the coming clie on T380 and nx100 ... so is this a hoax too ??

[Reggie]

Although the 'Sony Employee' unregistered member on this thread has been giving out 'rumors' that he/she seems to support, I would caution though that Sony DOES visit and read the threads. If the information given is true, I'm sure we will be getting another call from Sony to take this thread out, and ask information from the unregistered poster since he/she seems to claim he/she's a Sony employee -- Sony is VERY strict on this. Cliesource has its privacy policy but then they might have their own means of getting information. :(

So please, before posting something, please be careful and be mindful of the possible consequences.

[Marudine]

ok Reggie, thanks for your clarification.

[Sony Employee]

Yes, you guys could easily make me a former Sony Employee.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by Reggie
... If the information given is true, I'm sure we will be getting another call from Sony to take this thread out ... So please, before posting something, please be careful and be mindful of the possible consequences.

In the interests of full disclosure, I cannot personally vouch for the rumor that Martians have landed in Gdansk and given birth to two headed cows that are developing hydrogen fuel cells for the new Clie T-series.

[Alejandrico]

Actually as I see it.
It is you who could easily make yourself a former Sony Employee

[robrecht]

Originally posted by Alejandrico
Actually as I see it.
It is you who could easily make yourself a former Sony Employee

I think he would first have to be a SONY employee before he could become a former SONY employee.

[Marudine]

so let's see FCC web site on next Tue for the news ..... the so call T380.

[Ddeath]

Seriously speaking, I dunno how true is all the talks about the new Clies going on here, but hopefully they will be true. ;)

[Unregistered]

I wouldn't trust this "Sony Employees" information. I think that we all agree that there is definitely going to be a new NX soon to be released. But I fairly confident that the T380 is a complete hoax.

I think everyone will continue to "hope" for the 400MHz Clies but it ain't gonna happen.

I hate to post as unregistered but it's the only way to prevent myself from getting into trouble.

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by Sony Employee


Palm OS 5.02 is a version of OS5 designed specifically for the new Clie products. Because of our investment in PalmSource we can now have our own OS versions produced which saves time in Sony's development labs.

The T380 does have a Soft Input Area. The input options are Block Recognizer (licensed from Microsoft), on-screen keyboard, Jot and Fitaly.


I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I just want to state that I don't believe anything in this particular post. Sony bought, was it about 6%, of Palmsource? That is not very much at all. Not enough to refocus the engeries of Palmsource engineers. Even if they could, I would hope that Sony won't go soo far off path as to have PalmSource develop a different version of the PalmOS for Sony. If Sony wants to modify 5.2, that's great, but it just seems against the idea of having many companies using one operating system for Sony to have it's own PalmOS.

Also, I would be very very surprised if Microsoft licensed out the Block Recognizer software to Sony for use in a PalmOS machine. Why wouldn't a Sony model just come with 5.2 and Jot2? The Jot2 software is being put into PalmOS 5.2 for everyone, not just Palm Solutions.

[robrecht]

Do we have to keep piling on this poor SONY employee? I mean, we've already gotten him fired, poor guy. And he was probably the one brilliant guy at SONY who came up with the revolutionary idea of putting VG into a tablet T-series replacement model. Oh well, now if it isn't released, I guess we only have ourselves to blame. Maybe he can get a job with Palm ...

[Ex Sony Employee]

Licensing the Block Recognizer from Microsoft allows Sony to offer real Grafitti on the new models without having to worry about the Xerox patent.

Sony understands that most users hate G2, but does include Jot for the three people that actually like it.

By the way, look for Sony to offer a new model based on the NX form factor running PPC2003 at the end of the year. This could be the best selling Clie of all.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by Sony Employee


Palm OS 5.02 is a version of OS5 designed specifically for the new Clie products. Because of our investment in PalmSource we can now have our own OS versions produced which saves time in Sony's development labs.

This doesn't make any sense. For one thing, if they did actually make this special version, why isn't it 5.22? And if its some version that they have been working on for a little while, wouldn't it at least be version 5.12 since 5.1 has been out for almost a year? I thought that the version number was mistyped at first, but I have to think this is totally fake if that is the real version number.

[quiksilver]

Originally posted by Sony Employee


Palm OS 5.02 is a version of OS5 designed specifically for the new Clie products. Because of our investment in PalmSource we can now have our own OS versions produced which saves time in Sony's development labs.

The T380 does have a Soft Input Area. The input options are Block Recognizer (licensed from Microsoft), on-screen keyboard, Jot and Fitaly.

I really hate to prick anyone's bubble. But I think we should really reveal "Sony Employee" for the hoaxster that he is.

Everything about this so-called T380 is suspicious. Up to this point, there has been no prior mention of any upcoming device remotely resembling a VG T-series device. There has been an upgraded NX bantered about, but certainly zilch on an upgrade to the T or TG-series.

Remember the TG50? We had hints of the FCC Bluetooth application for the TG50 weeks before the actual device hit the market. If there really is a T380, and it was only just applying for FCC approval, it would take until at least August 2003 to hit the market. Our hoaxster claims June, which is impossible.

We have to use our common sense too, since this trickster's story gets more and more outlandish. Block Recognizer from Microsoft? How can anyone believe that? On-screen keyboard, ok, but both Jot and Fitaly? What kind of garbage is that? There is no precedent whatsoever, and no compelling reason to have Block Recognizer, Jot, Fitaly and an on-screen keyboard together! Come on, guys!

"Sony Employee" is playing with our minds. Many of us on this forum really really want a VG T-series with 320x480 and an Xscale running OS5. Heck, I really want this too! This is why some of us suspend our belief in the faint hope that this T380 could be true.

But please think it through. You owe it to yourself not to be toyed around with by this hoaxster, like a fool.

[dacmo]

Anyway, wouldn't the release of a machine with BT and 802.11b immediately kill the market for the WL100 card? Not to mention the 2 machines that they just released this year namely the NZ90 and TG50?

[robrecht]

You mean not everything posted on the Internet is true? But at least everything in the National Inquirer is still true, right? Can one of the two-headed Martian cows please post confirmation of that rumor? No, I guess they can't either since they probably have confidentiality agreements with SONY also.

[Alistar]

Haha.
I love watching these threads.

Anyway, lets throw a little constructive thought here
T series VG -> possible as there have been many many people wanting this
Microsoft Block recognizer -> technically possible, but not very likely, they need to port it to palm and I don't see Microsoft's Monopoly ideals allowing this.
Fitaly -> Ha. Thats all I say
48MB Rom -> Could happen. But Sony has always been strict on releasing hardware potential, I doubt they would include 48MB so that we could use the extra space.
64MB Ram -> Could be. Nothing else to say
400 MHz -> possible, but your battery will be sucked dry in minutes on a t-series battery.
2 MS Slots -> I hear its possible and with people clamouring for more options it could happen, since it appears this model would do away with the cf slot.
T-series form factor -> Very possible, technology gets smaller and smaller even in the matter of a couple of month. However this does bring up another point
Battery life -> With all these options your battery life in the T-series form factor would be about an 1 hours with backlight off for those using the features such as Wi-fi, bluetooth or double MS's and especially considering the 400MHz proc. (some exageration, but you get the point)

I leave you to your judgement.

[robrecht]

All silliness aside, SONY was showing off dual (not Duo) Memory Stick PDA concept designs a couple of years ago. Now that they have theoretical MS PRO I/O speeds, we should expect to see this and more sophisticated MS PRO I/O peripherals and a vanishing CF slot which never quite fully appeared anyway.

A VG tablet model with battery life is a no-brainer, but the only reasonable interpretation for why SONY has not done it yet is that battery life would be even worse than SONY's already notoriously poor battery life.

Replacable, rechargable batteries (like on every cell phone in the world) makes great sense, but I guess this still isn't that great of a solution on the NZ.

Palm recently announced an interesting solution that looks promising, albeit rather bulky and expensive. See:
http://www.palm.com/support/handbooks/powertogo.pdf

[cliejunkie]

Originally posted by cbulock


This doesn't make any sense. For one thing, if they did actually make this special version, why isn't it 5.22? And if its some version that they have been working on for a little while, wouldn't it at least be version 5.12 since 5.1 has been out for almost a year? I thought that the version number was mistyped at first, but I have to think this is totally fake if that is the real version number.

Numbers mean very little. Ask apple for example... Among beta testers, they are just the number version of compiled code within the desired goals to reach a final release candidate. Handspring had this a few years back with their prism which (I believe) had a b after it as well since the native palm os version at that time didn't support color.

[Bionic Antboy]

Though some of the specs of the supposed T380 sound hinky to say the least, I'm pretty sure we'll see a T style HiRes+ device soon enough.

Sony marketing isn't THAT dumb, and with products like the Zire 71 (though not VG) and the Garmin iQue, Sony probably realizes that this market space is one to focus on for their next release.

Beyond "Sony Employee"s rumours, there have been a couple popping up here and elsewhere, so I'm eagerly waiting :)

Of course, I planned on making my next upgrade in the late summer, so for me, Sony still has time, and no other PDAs have the class that the Clie does, though that Samsung Nexio 160 is pretty close (kinda big and pricey though it is, a 800x480 display is sweet :) - as portable as a PDA, and almost as functional as a laptop... )

[cbulock]

Originally posted by cliejunkie


Numbers mean very little. Ask apple for example... Among beta testers, they are just the number version of compiled code within the desired goals to reach a final release candidate. Handspring had this a few years back with their prism which (I believe) had a b after it as well since the native palm os version at that time didn't support color.

I understand that, but how often do people go backwards with version numbers?

[Unregistered]

the T380 is real....end of may.........a new nx is also on the way.........

[SEkker]

I want to know why this kind of thread collects such extensive readership. If I didn't have a defective NR70V sitting next to me, I would not be shopping for a new PDA. Are all of you planning on forking out another $500?

[Kaitou]

With Sony, the discontinuing of a model has pretty much always led to an updated model announced within about two weeks. With the current NX's on the cutting block, I cant see Sony not having a new NX type Clie for months. That and the new models are never downgrades, ie they always have the same featureset as the old ones, plus others. Hence they wouldn't replace the NX with a T, as the NX has a camera, and the T series doesn't.

And to add, Sony Clie running PPC03? Sony isn't going to release a PPC device, as they have always been at odds with microsoft. And even if not, they would -never- call it a Clie, as that would confuse consumers.

[volcanopele]

hmm. . . this "Sony Employee" seems to follow what I am hearing but took that and really blew it out of proportion. Everything I hear seems to follow the basics of what sony employee says, essentially that Sony plans on releasing a new NX-series handheld and a new T-series handheld with VG. Check out Clieplanet archives from a few days ago for the best information.

Okay I guess it was lost due to a PC failure. Well Clieplanet stated that both would have 300 MHz Intel ARM processors. The NX series device would have a 1 MP camera. The NX series handheld would have 32 MB of memory and Bluetooth built-in. The T-series device would be only a few millimeters thicker than the T615 or the T665.

[iJITSU]

Nothing wrong with leaning one way or another based on the info available, but it's just as silly to immediately dismiss the info as a hoax as it is to blindly accept that it's true. A better course of action would be to admit that we don't have any idea. If it's not true, I won't be suprised. If it is true, I'll be laying down some green...

[Rick 098]

Originally posted by SEkker
I want to know why this kind of thread collects such extensive readership. If I didn't have a defective NR70V sitting next to me, I would not be shopping for a new PDA. Are all of you planning on forking out another $500?
Yes. But I would wait untill I could save around $100 by buying it online.

[tantousha]

Well...I think the only way to real prove or disprove what this guy has to say is to just wait and see.

As for OS5.02 Remember how Handspring used a special version of OS3.5 called OS3.5H? They had a lot of features in that that were found in OS4 which meant that Handspring could continue using 3.5H even after 4 was realeased (they put 3.5H into they Pro and Neo series which were both released after OS4 devices started hitting the market. If sony does have some sort of deal going with Jot or Fitaly (I don't see the Microsoft thing, sorry) than they wouldn't see the need to work in the new OS5.2, they could just adapt they're current one. It would be easier for them to add their own graffiti alternative to OS5 than it would be to add their special Launcher, the jog dial and their other features to OS5.2.

As for PPC03. I think that was just him backlashing against the lack of belief...sarcasm I guess..but hey one never knows....though in all honestly we would probably hear a news article about now about Sony licensing PPC03...like Dell did a few months before we saw the Axim.

Patience my friends...patience....

[purpleice]

Hi,
I've had the past 3 clies selling my last one the nx when hearing of the new nz... I really didn't like the nz- the thickness where the camera is - is the only thing that bothers me - of coarse thinner all around would be great and I never use the key board..

QUESTION: I have put my money aside waiting for a replacement.. but I like all the features, recording, camera, video, remote.....blah blah... so will and when a model come out that has all that??

thanks, I miss my clie

[mentalsrule]

Guys, you are all so easy to impress. Rumors of these new devices are simply that....rumors. Nothing is expected to come from Sony in the very near furture.

[Unregistered]

What drives this thread is basically wishful thinking and the shock and anger that palm is radically better this product cycle. Palm even has better screens now, can it get any more demoralizing?
We have 16MB ram, they have much more. This sucks.
There probably isn't anything til August, but I wish there was.

[legion]

Sony has called me again and asked when I would like the next clie to be released. And I mentioned that everyone here was very interested in having some kind of time line. So I told them they should relase it when I have 100 posts. So for all of you wondering just keep an eye on my posts. Until then the glass ceiling is closed.

But seriously just seeing this rumour abou the T380 will make my weekend so much more enjoyable thinking about it. Ofcourse I will be thinking about it with a fabulous new battery capable of days of wifi and movie usage.

[legion]

Ooh look another post!

[purpleice]

thanks for the replies, I have waited this long a few more months won't kill me..
I know it's always going to get better- I just don't want to buy another one- untill it has what I want...which the nz has- minus the bulk- and posibly key board I never use on n nr nx series... I do have plenty of memory sticks, just waiting too.

What do you type in at the fcc site, to find info??
Thanks,
Debi

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by SEkker
Are all of you planning on forking out another $500? Heh . . .

If it's anywhere CLOSE to 'Sony Employee's info . . . YES!

Baaaaaaaaaa

:D

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by purpleice Hi,
I've had the past 3 clies selling my last one the nx when hearing of the new nz... I really didn't like the nz- the thickness where the camera is - is the only thing that bothers me - of coarse thinner all around would be great and I never use the key board..

QUESTION: I have put my money aside waiting for a replacement.. but I like all the features, recording, camera, video, remote.....blah blah... so will and when a model come out that has all that??

thanks, I miss my clie BLECH! I couldn't go without a PDA . . . I'd be completely lost! How on earth do you stand it?

[nickster87]

It wouldn't surprise me if Sony released a new PDA in the very near future because of the following things:

1. NX60 was cancelled. One thing is cancelled, well, you know...

2. Tungsten C was released with pretty impressive features.

3. PPC 2003 OS should be out in June. If Sony wants to get some of the potential PPC customers, they would release a really awesome PDA.

I could be totally off, but this is just my opinion.

There's my take in the situation.;)

P.S. I too could not live without my Clie.:)

[katlenski]

BLECH! I couldn't go without a PDA . . . I'd be completely lost! How on earth do you stand it?

No kidding! When my T665 got destroyed last week (don't ask! :o ), I replaced it *that day* - even though that meant spending a good $100 or so more at BestBuy than I might have if I had waited to order something online. I can't go more than 24 hours without a Clie fix!

[purpleice]

I may have join something... but after selling the
nx and not liking the nz I"m stuck between a rock and a hard place as "they" say...
I'm on the computer all the time and I think that's what saved me... I have to wait don't want to waste money for something I really do not want..

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by robrecht
Anyone seen the National Inquirer today? Apparently, Martians have landed in Gdansk and given birth to two headed cows that are developing hydrogen fuel cells for the new Clie T-series.

robrecht, you crack me up - that's awesome!

I completely agree with the skepticism here - I espically like how the thread was initially started "where is the new clie", and then about ten posts later, someone comes along and feeds in information to get everyone excited.

For me, it boils down to the classic adage: I'll believe it when I see it.


Sameer

[purpleice]

NO matter what rumor comes out eventally something will have to come out.. I dont believe rumors either.. but last year the nr came out in June so that' s what I am thinking...

PS Martians have landed in Gdansk but the part about the fuel cells for the new Clie T-series isnt'///

[Joel]

Are there pics of the two-headed cows? I mean if you have at least a Sony U-series (or even a Zire71), you could get a decent pic of 'em. Like these "spy" pics (http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13243), for example.

[Axim Dude]

Heck you Sony guys want video, get an Axim, PocketMPV and a 1GB CF card (for less than $200.00).

Want a decent word processor? Get Textmaker.

Want the best PIM? Get Pocket Informant.

Want the best e-mail program? Get @mail.

Want two proper expansion slots and the best value PDA ever? Get an Axim.

[purpleice]

I don't have any right now maybe the cows have one I could borrow

[purpleice]

To Axim
Just looked no thanks and it doesn't come close
8(

[Sony Empolyee]

hi all

[purpleice]

yea right

[tantousha]

Originally posted by Sony Empolyee
hi all

Hmmm...well I didn't believe him up until the Hi all comment...now I'm behind him 100%!!!

[purpleice]

perhaps your right!
=^ ^=
V

[purpleice]

to all have a great weekend!!

[S.E.]

That's the problem with being unregistered. I didn't make the dumb Hi comment.

[Sony Employee]

Originally posted by S.E.
That's the problem with being unregistered. I didn't make the dumb Hi comment.


Either did I!

[Marudine]

Can anyone advice if I got to check the FCC web site for the newly approve devices, how can I do it ?? I've gone to the FCC web site, but is too confusing (lots of wordings) to find what I want. Any geniue advice ??

BTW, Sony Employee was saying that FCC will approve the new clie by next Tuesday, so let's sit and see.

[NaySayer]

Not all FCC filings are made public. For example was the one for the NZ90 public? No. So what makes you think the info on the new Clies will be public, and not a private release?

[Marudine]

That's according to the "sony employee". He mentioned that the release will be made on the FCC web and is available by Tuesday. Of course here go again .. believe it or not, is depend on each individual.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Marudine
Can anyone advice if I got to check the FCC web site for the newly approve devices, how can I do it ?? I've gone to the FCC web site, but is too confusing (lots of wordings) to find what I want. Any geniue advice ??

BTW, Sony Employee was saying that FCC will approve the new clie by next Tuesday, so let's sit and see.

What else can you do, but sit and wait?

[Marudine]

dream on ....

[purpleice]

It's all abot waiting as I said before they will come out with something .... but when is the grand question....

[abosco]

Guys, there's one major problem with what S.E. said. He said Sony will license Block Recognizer from PPC to use the old graffiti. First off, Block Recognizer isn't exactly like graffiti. Second, Microsoft pays royalties to Block Recognizer to Xerox. They obtained a license in order to avoid a similar lawsuit as with Palm. Why would Sony license it from Microsoft when they could get it straight from Xerox? I've never heard of such a thing.

Now the real question for me is... with my current NX, I am not completely satisfied... suppose both models (T-series with VG, dual slots, dual wireless, and updated NX model) do make it to market, WHICH ONE SHOULD I CHOOSE???

[Marudine]

Then it has to depend on what are the features you do not like on the current nx model. And the next critical question you have to ask yourself is, do you like the T form factor or the clamshell design.

And next, no firm specs on both models at this point of time, hence is difficult to answer your question.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by abosco
Guys, there's one major problem with what S.E. said. He said Sony will license Block Recognizer from PPC to use the old graffiti. First off, Block Recognizer isn't exactly like graffiti. Second, Microsoft pays royalties to Block Recognizer to Xerox. They obtained a license in order to avoid a similar lawsuit as with Palm. Why would Sony license it from Microsoft when they could get it straight from Xerox? I've never heard of such a thing.

Thats because if this information was really true, there wouldn't be so many holes in the story like this.

[Marudine]

Another unreg posted a different specs on the new clie.

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=195308#post195308

Things are getting more and more interesting. enjoy reading ...

[abosco]

Alright, IMO, Sony is making purposeful leaks themselves. They are releasing false information to some people, other info to other people, and when the word gets out, not only have they pinpointed where the info is leaked from, but they have also aroused much interest in the new models.

You can be damn sure that I'm more interested in this next month for the Clie than I have ever been.


VGA cmos (Complementary metal oxide semiconductor) camera (just like the nx70v) 400,000 pixels


It's hard to take someone seriously when they can't get simple facts straight.

[alsa]

I am gone for one day and this happens?!?!

Alright, I really do miss my Palm/Clie

been Clie-less for over three weeks now... :(

At least this thread keeps me reassured something will pop out soon :D

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by n2ifp
What else can you do, but sit and wait? Obviously, you can come here and speculate, make fun of the speculators, whine about the rumors, make up some rumors, wave your fist in the air at Sony for causing (or not causing) this or that, or making this or that, stomp your foot at unregistered people who speculate . . . I mean c'mon ... the list is endless.

It IS fun to watch, though . . . everybody's getting SO bent out of shape over this. What tha? I must be getting old. I . . . JUST . . . DON'T . . . UNDERSTAND . . . WHAT . . . THE . . . BIG . . . DEAL . . . IS . . . We'll know about the new Sony when it's released.

:rolleyes: Okay, I'll shut up now. I've got a soapbox derby to attend . . .

Really.

I'm going now. STOP READING THIS!

STOP IT!

That's it!!!!

I'm telling . . .

[Joel]

Originally posted by n2ifp


What else can you do, but sit and wait?

Can I sit and wait with the two-headed cows?

[Palm Cow]

Okay, guys, I'm pretty speculatory about this. But I'm NOT waiting for any 2-headed cows to come dance with me before I believe this! I posted a thread in the Sony section of PIC last night...as of now no one's replied. I'm not sure if I should have but I guess lots of people never/rarely visit this lovely site.

Still not waiting for the two-headed cows to ocme dance, but I'll take "Sony Employee"'s rumors with a large cube of salt. Okay?

[Marudine]

Well to be frank, I've visited quite a number of Palm websites but still think that the members/guests in Cliesource are more proactive as compare to the rest, and most info/rumours actually come from Cliesource. I might be wrong, but at least to me, I visited Cliesourse's forum everyday.

[robrecht]

See link below.

[robrecht]

Sorry, not sure why the photo didn't post--it was taken with a Cybershot.

[Palm Cow]

Originally posted by abosco
Alright, IMO, Sony is making purposeful leaks themselves. They are releasing false information to some people, other info to other people, and when the word gets out, not only have they pinpointed where the info is leaked from, but they have also aroused much interest in the new models.

You can be damn sure that I'm more interested in this next month for the Clie than I have ever been.



quote:
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VGA cmos (Complementary metal oxide semiconductor) camera (just like the nx70v) 400,000 pixels

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It's hard to take someone seriously when they can't get simple facts straight.

Well, I just realized that that was Alex also from PIC! Lots of people hanging around here with the same usernames from PIC (or maybe it's the other way around). That makes sense, Alex!

You should (not) see my PIC avatar...it's Captain Janeway from StarTrek with a cow-head for a head. Hence my name!

[robrecht]

I had to reduce the resolution considerably to post here.  You can almost, but not quite, make out that the calf is indeed two-headed, but everything else is definitely true.  Is that a Gateway exec on the scene?  Must be trying to negotiate a comarketing deal ... Click here to see Gdansk calf!

http://www.cliesource.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=493

 



Originally posted by fireball
Are there pics of the two-headed cows? I mean if you have at least a Sony U-series (or even a Zire71), you could get a decent pic of 'em.

 

[alsa]

huh?

I don't get the "cow" thing and I have read the entire thread...

[Gravity]

What was that link about?

[Marudine]

What has the 2 headed cow (or pic) got to do with the new clie T series ?? Any can enlighten us here ??

[Unregistered]

YR, aren't Mods supposed to show some restraint and set a good example, lol?

Your post gave me a good laugh ;).

[robrecht]

Just another unconfirmed rumor, that's all ...

 

Originally posted by an imposter posing as robrecht
Anyone seen the National Inquirer today? Apparently, Martians have landed in Gdansk and given birth to two headed cows that are developing hydrogen fuel cells for the new Clie T-series.

[NIKT]

Originally posted by robrecht
See link below.


Hello Polish friend what link are you talking about?

[Eddy]

I'd love to see a release of a new Clie version, definitely, just to see what stuff Sony's going to pull out this time.
But I've gotta say I'm quite pre-occupied and enjoys my previous NX! :D I'm quite a happy dude.

[abosco]

Okay, guys, I'm pretty speculatory about this. But I'm NOT waiting for any 2-headed cows to come dance with me before I believe this! I posted a thread in the Sony section of PIC last night...as of now no one's replied. I'm not sure if I should have but I guess lots of people never/rarely visit this lovely site.


Derr... I've been reading Cliesource since Aug/Sept of last year, I think. But I'm into Palms in general, not just Clies (even though I've got an NX). Sites like Cliesource and Clieplanet have great information, and this site has great forums. No reason you can't stop a few minutes a day to check everything out.

Alright, here's what I think WILL happen:

Sony is low on NX60's so they discontinued it, but they still have overstock of the NX70v so they want to lower the price to get rid of them before the release of the new NX and new TG. I can honestly see room for both of these models. Discontinue the NX, and price the TG100 at $500 and the NX100 at $600. I can see Sony dropping the clamshell non-camera NX idea altogether.

But God, who knows. Sony is testing all the waters with their handhelds, and the NX70v looked like a real winner. They understand that they need good convergence, but not like the NZ90's type. Put in Bluetooth, faster processor, more RAM, enhanced keyboard, and full CF slot into the new NX, and you've got a real winner. With the TG, the same as I've always said, lose the keyboard, add in VG, more RAM, faster processor, and you've got another winner.

But it's all in Sony's hands now. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

[neon]

New information now in. The new CLIE will be called the "T-2000" series. It will also allow the user to go back in time.

[n2ifp]

Whatever Sony decided, it was months ago. There you go, back to the future...

[abosco]

Whatever Sony decided, it was months ago.


Correct. Everybody, pull out your NX. We're going on a virtual field trip.

Enter Memo Pad and create a new memo. Do the shortcut symbol (which looks like a Jesus Fish, for lack of a better description), then do two dots in the graffiti area to enter a period next to the shortcut symbol, and write 6. If done correctly, this will show your ROM's build date. On my NX, it reads 9/4/02, 11:19 am. This means the NX's ROM was prepared months before it's official launch. Now, enter Filez or ZLauncher's Information screen. If in Filez, tap the Information button. Look at where it says "Created:". Mine says 9/27/02. If using ZLauncher's Information screen, tap the box that tells you how much free memory you have. Look at where it says "Crea. Date:". Mine says Sep 27, 2002 18:53. This was about one week before the rumor leak on the NX, and about one month before the official announcement.

So what's this all mean? Well, the ROM was already prepared a while ago, and if the launch is scheduled for late May/early June, then the exact product is already set in stone.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by Unregistered
YR, aren't Mods supposed to show some restraint and set a good example, lol?

Your post gave me a good laugh ;). nah ~ that's rldunn's job . . . :)

I'm glad you thought it was funny. It was meant to be . . .

[XGlow]

Originally posted by Sony Employee
You didn't hear this from me but.......

To be released at the end of May - Sony Clie T380.
480 x 320 screen
Embedded BT and 802.11b
2 x Memory Stick Slots
Palm OS 5.02
64MB RAM
48MB ROM
Intel PXA255 400MHz Processor.


...that doesn't sound like a strategy move. Sound even FURTHER from "competetively priced"....

...anything new on the horizon aimed toward humanoids??

????

[Joel]

Originally posted by abosco

...
If using ZLauncher's Information screen, tap the box that tells you how much free memory you have. Look at where it says "Crea. Date:". Mine says Sep 27, 2002 18:53. This was about one week before the rumor leak on the NX, and about one month before the official announcement.

So what's this all mean? Well, the ROM was already prepared a while ago, and if the launch is scheduled for late May/early June, then the exact product is already set in stone.

Holy cow*, you're right! Mine says the same thing. After the numerous leaked info before, I think Sony's doing a great job hiding these new Clie info from us. Heads did roll the last time.

*If a cow is two-headed, do we refer to it as singular or plural?

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by abosco


Correct. Everybody, pull out your NX. We're going on a virtual field trip.

Enter Memo Pad and create a new memo. Do the shortcut symbol (which looks like a Jesus Fish, for lack of a better description), then do two dots in the graffiti area to enter a period next to the shortcut symbol, and write 6. If done correctly, this will show your ROM's build date. On my NX, it reads 9/4/02, 11:19 am. This means the NX's ROM was prepared months before it's official launch. Now, enter Filez or ZLauncher's Information screen. If in Filez, tap the Information button. Look at where it says "Created:". Mine says 9/27/02. If using ZLauncher's Information screen, tap the box that tells you how much free memory you have. Look at where it says "Crea. Date:". Mine says Sep 27, 2002 18:53. This was about one week before the rumor leak on the NX, and about one month before the official announcement.

So what's this all mean? Well, the ROM was already prepared a while ago, and if the launch is scheduled for late May/early June, then the exact product is already set in stone.

First, I'll comment that I came up with "Jesus Fish" as the shortcut sign in the PIC thread about "The SJ20 has TWO BACKLIGHTS!!!" thread. Then, I'll say that the Jesus-Fish.6 in MemoPad my SJ20 gave me "6/12/01, 1:41 pm". I can't find the "Inofrmation screen" in Filez though.

But why is the SJ20 over a year before the NX70v?

[oneeyesquare]

The boot file in my NZ has a 9/04/02 date as well. Zlauncher list a creation date of Feb 3, 03. About a month after the Jan 9 announcement at the big computer show whose name currently escapes me.

[Marudine]

Ok, Tue is near .. let's put our fingers cross to see whether the so called "Sony Employee" is making a true or false info on the new clie. Btw, I still can't figure out how I can check on the FCC web site. Any reckon ??

[Palm Cow]

Originally posted by Unregistered


First, I'll comment that I came up with "Jesus Fish" as the shortcut sign in the PIC thread about "The SJ20 has TWO BACKLIGHTS!!!" thread. Then, I'll say that the Jesus-Fish.6 in MemoPad my SJ20 gave me "6/12/01, 1:41 pm". I can't find the "Inofrmation screen" in Filez though.

But why is the SJ20 over a year before the NX70v?

I wrote that but I guess I didn't log in first...

[nz007]

Havent hear this much bull**** since the start of the Iraqi war!!

Way to go Sony employee.............

........by the way, you have any info about Sony's new ultraportable desktop?

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by nz007
Havent hear this much bull**** since the start of the Iraqi war!!

Way to go Sony employee.............

........by the way, you have any info about Sony's new ultraportable desktop? I'll bet it comes with a two-headed cow for FREE!!! Won't that be cool?:D

[abosco]

But why is the SJ20 over a year before the NX70v?


I'm guessing because A. It's using Palm OS 4.1, and B. Because there's a chance it's based on the T415's original ROM.


Holy cow*, you're right! Mine says the same thing. After the numerous leaked info before, I think Sony's doing a great job hiding these new Clie info from us. Heads did roll the last time.

Well I'm glad you liked it, but keep in mind this information is all available on http://www.PalmSource.com where you can find tons of developer backdoor shortcuts about your OS which may be useful. Using the Jesus Fish method is how SUDS was cured on the m500 series, if anybody remembers.

Heads will literally roll off people's shoulders if there is another top secret PDF leak. Sony learned their lesson.

[UZI4U182]

My SJ30 says June 12, 2001.

[IB Michael]

"In the interests of full disclosure, I cannot personally vouch for the rumor that Martians have landed in Gdansk and given birth to two headed cows that are developing hydrogen fuel cells for the new Clie T-series."
I can't vouch for this either, but Jimmy Hoffa told me he SAW JFK help deliver the calves

[MikeD]

I'm thinking about upgrading from my NR70V and was looking at what's out there right "now." And on the compusa site and bestbuy site, I found all sony units to be discounted in someway. Even the NZ... can this mean anything?

[Jake K]

Originally posted by IB Michael
I can't vouch for this either, but Jimmy Hoffa told me he SAW JFK help deliver the calves

Well thats proof enough for me!

[blinks]

wow, reading all this just to have the last guy say"well thats proof eoough for me" this is truly sad and i want 2(TWO) hours of sleep credeted to my body, any failure to do so will result in, but not limeted ti: excessive spamming and early termintion and/or me going to sleep mad. what a bunch of crap, not that some parts wernt informitive. good night.......

[Marudine]

Hopefully tomorrow we can get some good news from FCC regarding the new clie. However, there are rumours and sources saying that HP is coming another 3 more new iPaq running Pocket 2003 in two months time. You can get the story from Brighthand.com

http://brighthand.com/article/New_iPAQs_Close

Looks like SONY better be sure this time, else HP will be aggressively trying to maintain as the 2nd giant in the PDA world in the coming year again.

[alsa]

Palm OS devices' share is still around 80% (I have 1 friend with a Pocket PC OS PDA and at least 20 friends with some type of a Palm device)

[Marudine]

for your statistic it was about right two years back. However, in my daily contact circle, about 60% of them are using PPC and leaving the rest as Palm OS.

Though I'm also a PPC user currently, but I'm ready to switch to Palm OS ... to be more specific, not Palm PDA, but SONY clie.

[alsa]

We can argue all we want, but there's still a much greater presence and awareness (!) of Palm OS devices than Pocket PCs.

And I would argue that the awareness (and the percentage) has increased since two years ago due to the speed at which Sony has been cranking out PDAs and the fact that Palm itself now has a pretty good variety of devices.

Pocket PC might be popular with IT people.

What happens when people migrate to new Palms and Clies? What happens to their old Handsprings, Palms, and Clies? They get distributed among friends and relatives.

I am still seeing Palm IIIs floating around.

Even the name for a PDA itself is synonymous with Palm Pilot. :D

[riversen]

This is too cool. I will give my wife my old T665 and stay true and blue to Sony now and for some to come if this is true. They will have blown me away and all of my sarcasm and frustration for that matter. I hope... I really hope this is true!!!!

[nz007]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
I'll bet it comes with a two-headed cow for FREE!!! Won't that be cool?:D

:D yeah thats the one.....Sony Employee must know something about the built in printer as well.....cows, printer and possibly a milking machine so you can start your own dairy farm....think this new Sony product is an all in one SME":D

[alsa]

So is this gonna be the new Undead Thread now?

Oops, I didn't say that...

[NXOwner]

alsa,

'Even the name for a PDA itself is synonymous with Palm Pilot. '

The above phrase is very true. Anywhere I go, people are asking what I am carrying and they don't seem to understand PDA but they cleary got a picture when I said, Palm Pilot.

[cliejunkie]

a little mouse told me we should hear something in the next two days, I don't know what it will be though.

BUT I HOPE IT"S IN STORES THE SAME DAY!!!!!

[Kozy21]

Don't you get it...................you can't win, Sony is the dominance and if they were so much interested in what the consumer is looking for in the next product don't you think they would of had a poll on their website asking so? Bottom line...............no matter what cost Sony charges us we get what we get!

[nz007]

Originally posted by Kozy21
Don't you get it...................you can't win, Sony is the dominance and if they were so much interested in what the consumer is looking for in the next product don't you think they would of had a poll on their website asking so? Bottom line...............no matter what cost Sony charges us we get what we get!

I do beleive they listen to the japanese market!

elsewhere........well who gives a toss!!

[OcellNuri]

This is going to drive some people crazy....
Posted on the front page of the FCC website (www.fcc.gov)

NOTICE: In order to ensure the reliability of the FCC web site, monthly routine maintenance of the underlying hardware and software systems will be conducted between 2:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. (EDT) on Tuesday, May 13. During this period the public may not have access to our on-line licensing applications or to the entire site.

[MikeD]

AHHHH!!! I'm going crazy!! I have this NR, with a bad MS stick slot (that has already been fixed once by Sony) and I've been looking to upgrade to something with bluetooth in it for SMS.... and with something new hopefully in the air.. I'm going crazy! I'm no longer fulfilling all of my grad school obligations (at least till the last possible moment).. help!

[yoyolai]

Now that's really making me dubious about this rumer.. still hope it's true though..

[ashVID]

Originally posted by cliejunkie
a little mouse told me we should hear something in the next two days, I don't know what it will be though.

BUT I HOPE IT"S IN STORES THE SAME DAY!!!!!


Highly unlikely. Almost impossible. The circulars for next week are out and there is no mention of a new Clie. Such a device would garner at least a mention. At minimum you are 2 weeks away and I think that is still highly unlikely as you would see people already pre-selling them... The NZ was available from Sony for pre-purchase about a month before release.

ash =o)

[riversen]

Originally posted by ashVID



Highly unlikely. Almost impossible. The circulars for next week are out and there is no mention of a new Clie. Such a device would garner at least a mention. At minimum you are 2 weeks away and I think that is still highly unlikely as you would see people already pre-selling them... The NZ was available from Sony for pre-purchase about a month before release.

ash =o)

Who's to say that Sony doesn't have a confidentiality agreement like Palm did? Also, they could announce them sooner in Japan and then give the US a week or 2 to catch up like they did with the TG. I saw the TG on the Japanese website a couple of weeks before it was here in the US. And I don't remember the Palm Tungsten C being in any weekend adds the week that it came out. It wasn't untill the week after.

Just my 2 cents,
Robert

[yOyOYoo]

Doesn't the CLIE need to be released in Japan first also? I think we're looking at a month's wait at least after the new clie is announced before we can get our hands on it.

All this talk about a Virtual Graffiti hi-res+ T series, and "giving people what they want" Not everyone wants a virtual graffiti T series. I just want a TG50 with a better keyboard and more RAM. Thats what I want.

[n2ifp]

Yep, it's time for a new one, since mine is working so well, same thing happened with the NR, by the I got it set up perfectly, the new Clie came out. I am sorry, I am spoiled with the NX big screen!

[riversen]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
Doesn't the CLIE need to be released in Japan first also? I think we're looking at a month's wait at least after the new clie is announced before we can get our hands on it.

All this talk about a Virtual Graffiti hi-res+ T series, and "giving people what they want" Not everyone wants a virtual graffiti T series. I just want a TG50 with a better keyboard and more RAM. Thats what I want.

All of the keyboard lovers have gotten so many keyboard PDA's lately (high end ones). How about giving the Graffiti lovers a high end... at least one. That is all we are asking for. LOL ;-)

I am sure that Sony will come out with some goofy clamshell that all of the clamshell/keyboard loving people will love even more. I just one top of th line graffii PDA.

[OcellNuri]

I was just reviewing my blog.. and back when the NX was announced I made a comment about how odd it was that it was released in Japan and the US at the same time. And don't forget that the NZ was in the US well before it came out in Japan. I don't think we have to look to Japan for our new releases. They have come to us first in the past.

[MikeD]

So here's to hoping that tomorrow brings happiness!

[yOyOYoo]

what's so special about tomorrow's data? 5/13?

[nickster87]

I agree!!!

GO Tomorrow!!!!;) :)

[nickster87]

It is the date that the new Clie is supposed to be announced. That is, according to Sony Employee. ;)

[NIKT]

You know, looking at all those posts I only come up with one thing; at least I'm not the only losing my mind..

[NIKT]

..or am I?

[Vidge]

Here's hoping they release something in the next few days (or at least before my 14 days are up with my T|C:D )

[Jeffry]

Let's hope that it's similar to this (http://www.cliesource.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=316) .

[yOyOYoo]

...Actually let's hope it's not! No offense but I think that looks rather ugly. Here's to hoping sony puts out a 5 way navigational pad, and NOT that crappy ugly t68-like joystick on the Zire 71.

If sony employee is right, I can't wait to check cliesource tomorrow!

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
...Actually let's hope it's not! No offense but I think that looks rather ugly. Here's to hoping sony puts out a 5 way navigational pad, and NOT that crappy ugly t68-like joystick on the Zire 71.

If sony employee is right, I can't wait to check cliesource tomorrow!

lmao I'm just emphasizing the Virtual Graffiti in a T-series form factor. And yes, it is ugly. ;)

[riversen]

That's not bad looking... at least to me it isn't. The only change that I would recommend, would be the up and down button. Make it easier for bigger fingers.

[cliejunkie]

Originally posted by ashVID



Highly unlikely. Almost impossible. The circulars for next week are out and there is no mention of a new Clie. Such a device would garner at least a mention. At minimum you are 2 weeks away and I think that is still highly unlikely as you would see people already pre-selling them... The NZ was available from Sony for pre-purchase about a month before release.

ash =o)

I doubt it will be another two weeks. But that's my opinion.

[riversen]

I would suspect the announcement coming will be within the next day or 2... then we will see the new PDA within a week or 2. That is what I remember Sony doing with their other PDA's.

[JwY]

i can only pray this is true
i dont think i can wait much longer
i'm cracking up here....

[MikeD]

It better be here and it better be good! See in one of my classes today, my professor gave us all the questions on the final but no one could have a pen, pencil, or paper in front of them. I was going to get a tg50 today.. you know the one with the voice recorder... I was trying to record what the guy was saying with my nokia 3650... I could barely get anything and now I'm stuck with AMR or whatever sound files that I can't convert to listen to amplified on my mac.. sigh :(

[Marudine]

We can see that the waiting pool is getting larger and many people are looking forward to hear the announcement.

Right, before that ... any more latest news or perhaps changes in announcement date has Sony Employee got to say ?? We have not hear from you since your last post.

[d4rthsid]

haha@the cow/inquirer thing.

hopefully ppl will realize at this point, that a major breakthru in nano technology would have to occur in order to fit all of those specs into the space of a T/TG form factor. The RAM/ROM is feasible, however unlikely. The dual MS slots, spacewise, they would need to be duo, slots, otherwise it would add a bit of thickness to the design. The 400 mhz processor...dream on, have you seen the size of the PPC's with a 400mhz processor, they are huge! and integrated wifi, while cool, would drain the battery like no other.

but...while we're all dreaming, meybe they will include that virtual keyboard thing with the red projection of a keyboard...oh and why not just add in there a GPS unit!

I am now officially dubbing, the so-called T380 the Swiss Army Clie, cause as of now it has most everything a geek needs to survive all in one small magnesium box.

btw, if I was a sony employee, i wouldn't suggest using "sony employee" as your name, unless you have a serious lack of inteligence concerning job security.

[benixau]

Originally posted by Marudine
We have not hear from you since your last post.

how profound

[nz007]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
Doesn't the CLIE need to be released in Japan first also? I think we're looking at a month's wait at least after the new clie is announced before we can get our hands on it.

All this talk about a Virtual Graffiti hi-res+ T series, and "giving people what they want" Not everyone wants a virtual graffiti T series. I just want a TG50 with a better keyboard and more RAM. Thats what I want.

new strategy is simultaneous launch in Japan/US/EU

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by d4rthsid

hopefully ppl will realize at this point, that a major breakthru in nano technology would have to occur in order to fit all of those specs into the space of a T/TG form factor. The RAM/ROM is feasible, however unlikely. The dual MS slots, spacewise, they would need to be duo, slots, otherwise it would add a bit of thickness to the design. The 400 mhz processor...dream on, have you seen the size of the PPC's with a 400mhz processor, they are huge! and integrated wifi, while cool, would drain the battery like no other.




I understand the point you are making, but actually the new ARM chips being used are smaller than the 66mhz Dragonball SuperVZ chip that was used in the T665. Also, this new generation of ARM chip is using 40% less battery power (is that right? correct me if I have that spec wrong) than the previous generation chip that is in the NX/TG/NZ series handheld.

[Clietivity]

Originally posted by Sony Employee
You didn't hear this from me but.......

To be released at the end of May - Sony Clie T380.
480 x 320 screen
Embedded BT and 802.11b
2 x Memory Stick Slots
Palm OS 5.02
64MB RAM
48MB ROM
Intel PXA255 400MHz Processor.


Sounds too good to be true, gimme a pics, then I'll buy it. :o

[quintuss]

I would even buy a 66mhz, one ms slot, no wifi/bluetooth device if it was just a 320x480 T series model.
I already own an T675C, but i would shurely upgrade.. just NO keyboard (i will use that new stowawy one anyways) and big screen..... plzzzzz

Although 400 MhZ wouldn't hurt :D

[Bionic Antboy]

Amen to that.  I'd live with an OS 4 HiRes+ device too, though I want Sony's OS 5 paint package :)

[Unregistered]

just wondering if anyone found anything to back this up

[MikeD]

That's what I was hoping for when I got up this morning.. I guess there's nothing then... sigh...

[Kozy21]

I found the new Clie today..................in a box of CrackerJack!

[Marudine]

yep, just checked the FCC site and even the latest SONY press release sites, unfortunately no news.

[Medcat99]

Hey I just heard the new clie will shine your shoes and mow your lawn.......Oh, wait, I can't spread rumors because I'm actually a REGISTERED user.

Seriously, we all know the new clies are coming. If you speculate based on what palm has just put out, you're bound to hit on some of the features. I don't think anyone knows what's really coming or when.

If I'm wrong, great. I look forward to the next generation with as much anxiety as everyone else. I don't know how I'm going to get the money to upgrade, but I know I'm going to want to if even a fraction of the rumors are true. I want to run out and buy the Tungsten C right now, but am trying to tell myself that Sony has something great coming.

Anyway, just interesting how long this thread is for absolutely NO product yet. I guess people are still pissed about missing the boat on the NZ90.

[riversen]

[i]Anyway, just interesting how long this thread is for absolutely NO product yet. I guess people are still pissed about missing the boat on the NZ90. [/B]

I am a bit ticked off about the NZ90 myself. That brick is too big to be my PDA that I can take with me. It has some really cool things that I would never use. I want want a smaller version that could add these things a neat form and fit fashion sort of way.

Just my 2 cents.

[Gravity]

You are ritght about the NZ-90, but it's size and weight (IMO) would be justifyed if a good amount of it was a battery pack. but the battery is a tiny wimpy little thing that bearly holds a charge for more then a day (kinda like my cellphone :().

back on the subject, of shoe shining-lawn mowing clies, i just dont see the FCC puting info about it on a public website before any NDA expires (e.g. it would likely be the same day the that sony anounces it.

of course, companies seem to be tight lipped about a product for (usually) 1 of 2 reasons: 1: its a killer produt that is new in every way, and they do not want the competition know about it (and copy it) or 2: it isnt quite as good as the competition, and they do not want to bring out product hype before it fails miserably.

take your pick, we'll find out soon enough, i hope.

[tantousha]

Well I dug around the FCCs website for awhile and all I was able to dig up was the Sony is planning on releasing some sort of Bluetooth Video camera and a cool looking bluetooth photo printer...that and there is a whole bunch of Wireless PC cards coming out for the VAIO notebooks. I even found the TG50 in the mess of documents....but no new clie..will check a bit later though.

[robrecht]

Is it still Tuesday in the United States?  In Gdansk the two-headed Martian calves have all gone to sleep, no doubt dreaming of hydrogen fuel cells for the the new T-series ...

[nickster87]

Still Tuesday, and no Clie.:( Poor Us!!!;)

[Alejandrico]

Is everybody sure that there will be a new clie ever?

[Gravity]

I heard that the alien came back to apologise about the whole tuesday thing... appearntly alien dates and human dates are a confusing conversion ;)

[caudax]

Look here!!

http://www.cliesource.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=511

Is this what everyone wants?? Well i know i want it....

WARNING: PHOTOSHOP EDITED

PS The design for this pda was given to my my subliminal messages sent to me in my sleep by the 2 headed cows!!!

Caudex

[Palm Cow]

Hey! You! Did you take Cambridge Latin? I think you only got to Stage 4...

FYI:
caudex = blockhead
Cerberus = the family the folks in Pompeii's dog

?

To get back on topic, uhh, yeah, that's pretty much what we all want.

Present active indicitive:
Sulla callidior quam Cerberus et Metella Caecilliusque est quod valde callidus est. "Vale!" dixit.

callidior quam tu sum quod stultus es sumque callidior quam omnes. "Vale!" dixi.

[yOyOYoo]

why doesn't someone look in best buy's database?


In the past, wasn't that how we found out about the Tungsten C, the Sony TG50, and the Zire 71?

if you look on brighthand.com employees checking best buy's database, have rumors on the upcoming 3 new ipaqs.

[abosco]

Remember, there was absolutely no hint of the NZ90. This is the same way, except everyone is expecting it this time. One day, you'll load up IE, click on your ClieSource bookmark, and BAM! New forum, new news, new people, new questions, new headaches, new curses, new Clie.

[tantousha]

Originally posted by abosco
Remember, there was absolutely no hint of the NZ90. This is the same way, except everyone is expecting it this time. One day, you'll load up IE, click on your ClieSource bookmark, and BAM! New forum, new news, new people, new questions, new headaches, new curses, new Clie.

It's a conspiracy...all this stuff is waiting in the wings until you aren't looking at then they roll it all out...complete with the people who own the new PDAs..the pictures...the forums...everything! It's all there and waiting! the 2-headed cows did it! THEY'RE BEHIND EVERYTHING! AHHHHHHHH!!!

[abosco]

(Everyone nodd and smile at the nut)

Yes, tantousha! You're right!

[oneeyesquare]

It's kinda the ol "watched pot never boils" scenario...
Quick... everybody turn your computer off!!!!:D

[tantousha]

Originally posted by abosco
(Everyone nodd and smile at the nut)

Yes, tantousha! You're right!

Hey!...wait a minute...you're part of the conspiracy to aren't you *glares* and you too...you all are!!! OH GOD!! The world is against me *backs away* You'ill never get me! NEVER!! AHHH *runs away*

[Stumper]

Two headed cows!! No not the two headed cows.!

[Unregistered]

Listen Sony, if you have anyone (engineers included) that has studied Economics 101 please do something about it! If there is so much demand you should just concentrate on developing a T-series with VG and at least one form of wireless.

My demand for this thing is quite inelastic (but of course there is an upper limit).

[ashVID]

Originally posted by riversen


Who's to say that Sony doesn't have a confidentiality agreement like Palm did? Also, they could announce them sooner in Japan and then give the US a week or 2 to catch up like they did with the TG. I saw the TG on the Japanese website a couple of weeks before it was here in the US. And I don't remember the Palm Tungsten C being in any weekend adds the week that it came out. It wasn't untill the week after.

Just my 2 cents,
Robert


My point is the no matter what it is not going to be on sale for a couple weeks. I am a deal hunter, I get ALL the electronic ads early, 2 weeks early and there is no mention of a new clie. So, at any given time I can tell you with 100% confidence that there is no Clie for sale for at least 2 weeks.

From a sheer marketing standpoint why would Sony sneak this device out? The NZ90 was available for preorder 6 weeks prior to release. They have investors to answer to and any new device needs to have decent first week sales. It is marketing 101... I feel like I am banging my head up against a wall here!!!



ash =o)

[robrecht]

Originally posted by Gravity
I heard that the alien came back to apologise about the whole tuesday thing... appearntly alien dates and human dates are a confusing conversion ;)

Good point.  In fact, in some parts of the Universe, it is always Tuesday, sort of like an eddy in the time-space continuum.

[Marudine]

well, see like S.E. owe us an explanation. BTW, he is also one of the unregistered members, henc he might not respond to us. Anyway, thanks for the "hope" and I believe you have either got the wrong info or you are trying to make some fun here ... which ever the case, we will still wait .... at least for me.

[n2ifp]

As I was reading back through old posts, there's been speculation and rumors since the beginning of the year.

Sony maybe holding back for a myriad of reasons, one of which is financial health. Sony laid-off workers earlier this year, I wonder what department they were from.

[icarus]

Originally posted by riversen


All of the keyboard lovers have gotten so many keyboard PDA's lately (high end ones). How about giving the Graffiti lovers a high end... at least one. That is all we are asking for. LOL ;-)

I am sure that Sony will come out with some goofy clamshell that all of the clamshell/keyboard loving people will love even more. I just one top of th line graffii PDA.

I just totally agree with you. Me too.

I want a good, non-clamshell Palm with VG (high-res+) and hopefully two slots (one for IO like Margie's Presenter-to-go; and one for more memory or actually holding the presentations to use with the other IO card).

Crossing the finger and praying. :)

[icarus]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Listen Sony, if you have anyone (engineers included) that has studied Economics 101 please do something about it! If there is so much demand you should just concentrate on developing a T-series with VG and at least one form of wireless.

My demand for this thing is quite inelastic (but of course there is an upper limit).

Here my vote for your quote. :)

[robrecht]

Wow, nearly 28,000 views in a few days.  I hope SONY is using this as a source of free marketing research.  Maybe they should hire S.E. back.

[purpleice]

Originally posted by icarus


I just totally agree with you. Me too.

I want a good, non-clamshell Palm with VG (high-res+) and hopefully two slots (one for IO like Margie's Presenter-to-go; and one for more memory or actually holding the presentations to use with the other IO card).

Crossing the finger and praying. :)

[caudax]

Yes Palm cow, i am taking cambridge latin (im only 15), im actually in stage 28 or something, i just mistyped caudex.

WHo cares about caecilius anyway his father was a slave and he rotts and dies burried in pompei. But of course quintus becomes the hero of the story and saves everyone:S.

es stultisimus caudex! et ad cenam ire debeo.
(rough translation: you are a very stupid moron and i have to do to dinner.)

Caudex

[robrecht]

Caudex & Palm Cow:

Glad to see that some kids still study Latin--I'm impressed!  Do you study Greek also?  The classics will prove to be very valuable to you despite what most people may think or say.

[caudax]

Thanks robrecht, i like latin cuz its helped me with tons of other stuff in school and i think will help me in whatever field i decide to persue after High School.

Caudex

[caudax]

Oh and i dont take greek, it isnt available to me

Caudex

[Palm Cow]

Uhh, I know absolutely no Greek except how to say "I have three testicles!" (Not how to spell it though) and that's from "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."

Oh, remember back in Stage 18 or 19 or 20 (some time at the end of Unit II in Cambridge) when Aristo was so miserable? I can't remember his wife's name but she was so EVIL!

I liked the St. 20 Culture secion. That steam ball thing? Cool!

I don't really remember Unit I too well but as I recall Quintus tries to save Caecilius in Pompeii (I know I shouldn't pester you but there are two I's) but then he ran away to Alexandriea and went over to Britain for some reason.

Oh, how does your teacher pronounce V's? Mine treats them like W's.

Do you have an email and/or AIM thing? My email is kevin707s@mchsi.com and my AIM S/N is KJSatz.

Oh, and just to pester you, debeo debere debivi is "owe" or "ought."

Did you go to JCL this year? I went to MOJCL (MO for Missouri and JCL for Juniro Classical League) and our Certamen team got 2nd.

Did you take the National Latin Exam? Summa cum Laude baby!

Nice to have a good conversation, be it off topic.

Oh, and thanks for registering. Now no evil freaks can impersonate you :).

[caudax]

yeh, Big Fat Greek Wedding was hilarious, i dont know how you remembered how to say "I have three testicles" though

Oh, Aristo's wife.... wasnt it helena or Galatea or something? any way she was the person that was a spoiled brat right??

yeah my teacher pronounces them like W's too, those romans, quite odd. And now i find myself saying Vs as Ws in french or spanish class!

I have msn at blinkey43@hotmail.com and my email is caudex@sympatico.ca.

yes, the translation is then "i ought to go to dinner" not much difference!! I thought i was a perfectionist!!

sorry, i dunno if this MOJCL is only an american thing, i live in ontario, canada.

i didnt take any National latin exam, but i think a 98 percent average for secont year deserves some laus!! (for non-latin taking people laus means praise and summa cum laudo means the highest of praise)


And i registered like months ago, i just forgot to login (caudex sum)

Caudex

[Palm Cow]

Yeah, those names for Aristo's for Aristo's wife sound right...I think Helena is the daughter and Galetea is the wife. Not sure though.

During my first year I had the highest grade my teacher (Magistra Antiqua :D ) had ever had, a 99.9% the whole way through. Then in the first half of the second year I started going down to a 98% and I'm still to this day hovering there! I agree that when I started French, my pronounciation was way off. I guess we should continue our chatting through email as to not disturb other people.

[tantousha]

Hey Palm Cow!!
I remember you from the Palminfocenter forums (I was the guy trying to defend the Segway) hee...welcome....

[Palm Cow]

Yeah, tan, I have a good memory too. Your avatar was a Treo. You should slip over the PIC more often, it's pretty good over there, even though everywhere's in a Palm news slump. Yeah.

This thread's going way off topic and it's all thanks to me. Don't I feel proud! SEPTERITAVERO!

You know what I say to my girlfriend (who knows Latin too)? Semper te amo. And it's true!

(Semper = always, te = you, amo = I love).

Where IS the new Clie? Wednesday and still no news?

[MikeD]

With all this latin, we may totally forget that there may be a new clie coming! :)

"What there's a new clie?"
"Haha.. we've been talking latin this whole time we forgot about it!!!"

[Palm Cow]

Yeah, well...that's true.

That's why in most of my posts I've tried to put a little but of on-topic stuff :).

I'm gonna shut up for the night. For all y'all who want me to teach you Latin, the course is $200 including books.

[caudax]

Ill teach anyone latin for 100 USD ill provide the books!! You know 100USD is worth like a million dollars up in canada!

Caudex

[abosco]

Someone should pay me $200 to teach you to shut up.

[MikeD]

Originally posted by abosco
Someone should pay me $200 to teach you to shut up.

:eek:

[icarus]

vene vidi vici .........

............ and he rised and flew up in the sky.


SkyMan icarus is still waiting for the HighRes+ T-form-factor Clié with BT and double slot.

[Marudine]

since till now still no sign of new clie. The only thing we can hope for is to wait for some BestBuy employees to furnish us with the latest news from the retailer weekly issue.

Anyone from BB would at least update us the latest retailer weekly ?

[quiksilver]

Don't get your hopes up for anything resembling the so-called T380. It's way past Tuesday, and our dear friend "Sony Employee" has not backed up his claims with a whisker of real evidence.

[Marudine]

Well, if you follow some of the earlier threads, it was mentioned that BB in deed has a weekly retailer issue which will highlight new devices to be sold in the store (verified by some of the registered members here who are working in BB)

Since the sources from those unregistered members are doubtful, the only hope is to depend on BB's retailer weekly.

[icarus]

Originally posted by quiksilver
Don't get your hopes up for anything resembling the so-called T380. It's way past Tuesday, and our dear friend "Sony Employee" has not backed up his claims with a whisker of real evidence.

Come on SONY, get that stuff out.

[Palm Cow]

vene vidi vici .........

Actually it's veni vidi vici (I came I saw I conquered) because the 1st Person Active Indicative Singular Perfect is -i.

I still don't see any new Clies...

[PalmDoc]

We used to fill these boards with rants about how Sony was driving us crazy with too many models and too short a release cycle...

Now, after hearing some rumors for the past several weeks, we can't go on with life until Sony announces something new!!

What surprises me is that despite the questionable information, from questionable sources, even the more reliable past sources seem to have been off with this one. Wasn't it just last week that Shaun McGill at CliePlanet said his reliable source, who has been usually dead on in the past, predicted the announcement to be made soon, maybe even before yesterday?

I'm wondering if Sony is being especially tight-lipped with this release cycle, or deliberately spreading some mild disinformation to keep the announcement date and the features a surprise. Maybe they don't want to scare off potential buyers for the remaining stock of NX's with the announcement of a product that may still be weeks away (remember Palm's goof with the m500 series!!).

Anyway, I'm still patiently waiting...and checking these boards 3, 4, 5 times each day, hoping to catch a glimpse of my future clamshell, HiRes+, VG, 1MP camera, backlit keyboard, 64MB, retractable CF slot, OS 5.2, 400 MHz Clie NX100...

[caudax]

Palm cow, you ere right about the veni, vidi, vici, but in this case the verbs dont need to be 1st person active indicitave perfect, they just need to be 1st person active perfect!!

DAng there is just to many tenses, conjugations, perfect imperfect ahhhhh im going insane!!!

Wish me good luck on my stage 29 test...

Caudex

[abosco]

Can we please get off the language chat. Try OT if you want to talk about the literal meaning of Caudex.


Anyway, I'm still patiently waiting...and checking these boards 3, 4, 5 times each day, hoping to catch a glimpse of my future clamshell, HiRes+, VG, 1MP camera, backlit keyboard, 64MB, retractable CF slot, OS 5.2, 400 MHz Clie NX100...


My God, that's absolutely perfect. You hit dead on what I've been posting for a few weeks as well, even with the retractable CF slot.

I somehow get the feeling Sony is going to shock us all with their latest offering. It'll be $600 to all the people on the BB upgrade plan (:D) and will offer all that stuff, plus various IM clients with support for video conferences with the newfound camera that can do 320x240 video, and have shocking hardware with 400 MHz PXA255, 64 MB RAM, upgraded DSP and video decoder, and all previous innovations Sony is known for. This time, they BETTER include a D-Pad!!!

I honestly don't see a VG OS 5 T665c coming out. Sony has shown us they don't want to release that, even though there is much interest in it. I suspect the battery would be poor.

[oneeyesquare]

.... hoping to catch a glimpse of my future clamshell, HiRes+, VG, 1MP camera, backlit keyboard, 64MB, retractable CF slot, OS 5.2, 400 MHz Clie NX100...


I'd be VERY interested in that type of offering esp. if it featured higher video resolution... The CF driver would have to work as well or Sony could do the smart thing and support it natively....

[yOyOYoo]

what the heck is a retractable CF slot that I keep hearing about.

How can A CF slot be retractable? where would it retract to?

[alsa]

Would you stop the stupid cow nonsense?? Geez...

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by alsa
Would you stop the stupid cow nonsense?? Geez... Are you prejudiced against two-headed cows?

It's OK . . . everybody has SOMETHING that bothers them. ;)

[abosco]

A retractable CF slot would be something along the lines of the CF hump in the back that bulges out that has the ability to get pushed back into the unit when not in use and pulled out when you want to use a CF card. It's possible, but there needs to be some heavy modifications done, including relocating the speaker, making room for the CF connector to get sucked in, and modifying the motherboard, probably.

It's possible, but the effect would make it the size of the NR70v with the capabilities of the NX70v's wireless slot. That would be the ultimate.

[d4rthsid]

Welp sony didn't use the matrix to release their new device, like Samsung did, even tho that Samsung phone must have fallen down the ugly tree, and hit every branch on the way down.


There is no Clie........

[robrecht]

Originally posted by abosco
I somehow get the feeling Sony is going to shock us all with their latest offering. It'll be $600 to all the people on the BB upgrade plan (:D) and will offer all that stuff, plus various IM clients with support for video conferences with the newfound camera that can do 320x240 video, and have shocking hardware with 400 MHz PXA255, 64 MB RAM, upgraded DSP and video decoder, and all previous innovations Sony is known for. This time, they BETTER include a D-Pad!!!  ...

... A retractable CF slot would be something along the lines of the CF hump in the back that bulges out that has the ability to get pushed back into the unit when not in use and pulled out when you want to use a CF card. It's possible, but there needs to be some heavy modifications done, including relocating the speaker, making room for the CF connector to get sucked in, and modifying the motherboard, probably. 

Do you really believe that SONY will do all this in an NX upgrade?  Maybe in a future NZ model but not for a while ... 

[SEkker]

I think Sony won this round. They did an 'Apple' -- generated tons of hype and free advertising for a virtual product! All I can say is that they've set themselves up for failure -- I do believe most of the 'leaks' we've heard are planned -- at this point, some large portion of the CLIE segment is going to be disappointed by whatever they DO release.

I am a little surprised it's taken them so long to put out a major new model. Given the rate of release of the T615, NR70, T655, NX70, NZ, XG; we should be on two more models this year by now, even if they are straightforward upgrades (faster processor, more RAM using the newer Palm OS, and adding bluetooth to the NX series). Why no new T series with VG is also beyond me.

[icarus]

Originally posted by Palm Cow

Actually it's veni vidi vici (I came I saw I conquered) because the 1st Person Active Indicative Singular Perfect is -i.


You might be right on that (I never took latin)....

....but I am still waiting for the new Clié. :(

[alsa]

Oh man, did you read the news today here at cliesource?

The NX is no longer on the Japanese Sony Clie website's front page, and there are price cuts for the NX series at Sonystyle Japan.

I am being like a kid waiting for Christmas.

P.S. I really don't want to wait till Christmas to get the new Clie...

[icarus]

Sounds good to me too.

No interest neither to wait 'till x-mas. ;)

[alsa]

Now isn't Icarus the name of a (still existing?) bus company in Hungary?

I used to ride their buses...

[bobes]

I like vidi vici veni much better ;)

[icarus]

Originally posted by alsa
Now isn't Icarus the name of a (still existing?) bus company in Hungary?

I used to ride their buses...

Sorry. No idea about hungarian bus companies.
It is said, that icarus was the first flying human.... anno domini. :)

[Kozy21]

As posted in another thread, Sony's name relates to their product releases.............Soon Only Not Yet

[Vidge]

Originally posted by Kozy21
As posted in another thread, Sony's name relates to their product releases.............Soon Only Not Yet :D :D :D :D

[quiksilver]

Originally posted by alsa
Oh man, did you read the news today here at cliesource?

The NX is no longer on the Japanese Sony Clie website's front page, and there are price cuts for the NX series at Sonystyle Japan.

I am being like a kid waiting for Christmas.

P.S. I really don't want to wait till Christmas to get the new Clie...

I was bored with listening to rumors, so I went to do some old investigative work on the FCC website.

Sony has been very active with their Bluetooth products, which require FCC approval. You can find the manual for the Clie TG50 which received FCC approval on 28th Jan 2003 (long before it launched) here (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=299406&native_or_pdf=pdf). You can find the NZ90's manual here (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=307267&native_or_pdf=pdf). Heck, you can even find the T610's manual here (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=318107&native_or_pdf=pdf)! This is nothing new - Sony made these applications to the FCC in end-Feb for the NZ90 and T610, both of which have Bluetooth.

So what I did was to comb the site thoroughly, checking all of Sony's applications for Bluetooth in the months of March, April, and May. NO NEW CLIE. Only a bunch of other stuff like WLAN cards.

This doesn't prove anything, except that Sony ain't going to release a Bluetooth product anytime soon. Even if it applied to the FCC tomorrow for a new product, it would take at least a month from that point to hit the market.

[alsa]

Shucks! :(

[Unregistered]

Here is a follow up to my posting on a different thread about NX price reduction in Japan. I am not sure where to post given the many threads for new clie rumors at cliesource. Quite confusing.

NX70V and NX60 have sold out at several electronic retailers in Tokyo following the price reduction. The product can only be purchased via special order at the out-of-stock stores. Furthermore, no promises are made for arrival dates.

Irrespective of whether the new clie has BT or Wi-fi, something new is sure to ship soon. The reason being the huge price jump between currently available models: SJ33 is 29,800, TG50 is 39,000 and NX90 is 79,800. I sure hope sony breaks the 11mb limit and includes vg g2 in the Japanese version or I might give in to Toshiba.

[icarus]

Originally posted by quiksilver


I was bored with listening to rumors, so I went to do some old investigative work on the FCC website.

Sony has been very active with their Bluetooth products, which require FCC approval. You can find the manual for the Clie TG50 which received FCC approval on 28th Jan 2003 (long before it launched) here (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=299406&native_or_pdf=pdf). You can find the NZ90's manual here (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=307267&native_or_pdf=pdf). Heck, you can even find the T610's manual here (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=318107&native_or_pdf=pdf)! This is nothing new - Sony made these applications to the FCC in end-Feb for the NZ90 and T610, both of which have Bluetooth.

So what I did was to comb the site thoroughly, checking all of Sony's applications for Bluetooth in the months of March, April, and May. NOTHING.

This doesn't prove anything, except that Sony ain't going to release a Bluetooth product anytime soon. Even if it applied to the FCC tomorrow for a new product, it would take at least a month from that point to hit the market.

Hi quiksilver

A Question and a Comment for you:

1) Question:
I am not very familiar with the FCC site. Went there 2-3 times, but couldn't figure out, how to scan right for this information. I ask you publicly, because, there might be some others interested as well in how to do it.

2) FCC applications in public
As far as I read in some comments, there is the possiblilty to tick a box, avoiding the application to show up in public database before a certain date (Quite likely the announcement date). I wouldn't expect something there until very short before or after the announcement.
(Several companies did the mistake of not ticking that box, some even several times. But most have learned.)

[quiksilver]

Originally posted by icarus


Hi quiksilver

A Question and a Comment for you:

1) Question:
I am not very familiar with the FCC site. Went there 2-3 times, but couldn't figure out, how to scan right for this information. I ask you publicly, because, there might be some others interested as well in how to do it.

2) FCC applications in public
As far as I read in some comments, there is the possiblilty to tick a box, avoiding the application to show up in public database before a certain date (Quite likely the announcement date). I wouldn't expect something there until very short before or after the announcement.
(Several companies did the mistake of not ticking that box, some even several times. But most have learned.)

Hi icarus,

The public database is really quite easy to use. Just go to www.fcc.gov, click on E-Filing (top menu). When E-Filing loads up, scroll down until you see OET Equipment Authorization Electronic Filing. Click on that. Then scroll down the navigation panel on the left until you get to the "Reports" section. Click on Generic Search. You can specify your search criteria here. What I did was to search using only the Applicant Name field (sony), and the Grant Date Range. When you comb the results, you will find every single product using Bluetooth that Sony has launched in the past.

I didn't know that companies could prevent the application from showing up in the public database before a certain date. Maybe that explains why there are no applications from Sony in the month of May 2003. But then again, every single Bluetooth-capable product they've issued has shown up on the FCC site so far. I don't see why any upcoming Clie should be any different. Maybe there are no applications because there are simply no upcoming Bluetooth products.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by quiksilver

I didn't know that companies could prevent the application from showing up in the public database before a certain date. Maybe that explains why there are no applications from Sony in the month of May 2003. But then again, every single Bluetooth-capable product they've issued has shown up on the FCC site so far. I don't see why any upcoming Clie should be any different. Maybe there are no applications because there are simply no upcoming Bluetooth products.

Recall that there was no mention of the NZ90 on the FCC site before it was officially announced.  Stuff only shows up there before product announcement if the company wants it to or if they make a mistake (sometimes on purpose?) in their filing.

I don't say this to fuel completely incredible and unsubstantiated rumors like those that were solicited and encouraged at the beginning of this thread.  But certainly, SONY has a number of models they will launch in the next weeks and months (days, we can only hope) and some of them will require FCC approval.

[ZNB]

So no NX70w with 32MB Wifi/BT in the next few months? Someone is dropping the ball