New TX discharges 25% overnight, feels warm

[palmTE]

I just got a warranty replacement TX. It appears new, no signs of use. I've done the initial sync which replaced my previous TX data and apps and have a new problem: It loses 25% of it's charge overnight, apparently running something. It felt slightly warm before I turned it on this morning, so I imagine something is running in the background. I do not recall this problem previously.

I had already (yesterday)
turned off beam receieve
checked that Bluetooth discovery is off
Palm Internal reports 1 alarm shown as 4/6/2008 02:00:00 'date and time'; that's not on my calendar and I do not know what it is, possibly automatic DST clock adjustment?

What is chewing up the battery? Something unnecessary is running b/c it is slightly warm (in a silicone skin case) in the am with drastic battery drain. I did notice that wifi was on once I turned on the TX... but that should not be doing anything while it's off.
So far I have Docs2Go 10, Plucker, eReader, Adobe Reader for Palm, FileZ and PalmInternals loaded -- nothing fancy.
WTF is going on and how could I monitor it to finger exactly what's happening overnight? If you know, please respond!
Thanks!

[cms]

1) First of all, to avoid all doubt that its a hardware problem, Do a warm reset and leave it like that for a night (reset+hold the up key), this will make it so that no apps disturb it.

If you wake up and the palm still discharges, you then can tell that its a hardware problem

If you wake up and the palm doesnt discharge, then you can easly assume that its a software problem


2) if its a software problem, download an alarm listing app ( I use "noalarms") it will list applications that have timers to do somthing to your palm *backup/sync/alarm/timechange/....*

You can look at the times and see if there is somthing that goes off when you are asleap, then you will have found your problem

[cms]

Try the Noalarms program, and compare it to palm internals, see if theres somthing else listed...

[palmTE]

OK, I've downloaded NoAlarms. Is there anything other than an alarm that can be running in the background when the TX is off? I really hope it's not hardware... b/c this one is a replacement for the previous TX due to the same issue.

btw, exactly what did the soft reset do?

[cms]

There are 3 (button based) resets a palm can do.

1) soft reset- (hit the reset button in back)- it is your lifeline if somthing freezes up, It also resets DB cache issues, It reloads all your programs and settings - [like restarting on a PC]

2) Warm reset- (hit reset button and hold down up key) - This reset makes the palm only load its factory based programing, all the special things you have set in your palm like remaped keys and other background settings are not used- [like safemode on a PC]

3) Hard reset- (hit reset button and hold down power key, release power key at grey palm logo) - This erases everything that wasnt there to begin with on your palm. Anything that you installed on it after you took it out of the box is lost. You use this when you did somthing that you cant fix in normal or warm reset mode - [Distructive recovery and Reinstalling windows]

[alt236]

Good advice cms!

Also have a look in this thread (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137148) as it has a number of relevant advice.
Perhaps The original poster's problem was different, but the advice is applicable here as well.

Guys, we really need to sticky one of these threads :)

[palmTE]

OK - NoAlarms: 1st try, instant soft reset. 2nd try, that same alarm at 2am 2008Arp06 Ref 0xooooooo2. This is something put there by the system not by me. Anyone else have that?
CMS - those are good to know, especially warm reset which lets one use it while troubleshooting. Do you think I need to do a hard reset to rule out all software issues?

# the general public is not going to adopt pdas or stay with their smartphones until this type of troubleshooting is history. Palm themselves could have designed to remove 80% of this issue and put up a troubleshooting app to catch the rest.

[palmTE]

Could this be a DB cache issue? It could be a different issue, since I'm not using turn off, wait, then lock but I do not know the exact way in which DB cache and deep sleep mode interact.

In this thread http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134144 it is suggested to flush the db cache.
post 10 "When you flush your cache, does the device continue to operate normally? If it doesn't, you might be experiencing an issue where your cache is full, your system locks at its predetermined time, and immediately goes into a state where it locks up and refuses to sleep, draining your battery."

[palmTE]

Progress! A warm reset fixes the issue. All apps and data were loaded, no hard reset was done.
Now how do I determine what is causing the drain? Is there a way to do a binary elimination here (do whatever a warm reset does to 1/2 of processes that could be causing the issue, retest, etc).

[PinCushionQueen]

Did I understand correctly that you are locking your TX? If so, I seem to remember there being a bug in the Palm security/locking. Do a search here on 1src, IIRC there's a thread on this issue somewhere...

[alt236]

Did I understand correctly that you are locking your TX? If so, I seem to remember there being a bug in the Palm security/locking. Do a search here on 1src, IIRC there's a thread on this issue somewhere...

Yup! Its here!
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128224

[_Em]

Palm has a security update patch for the TX on their website to fix a problem that sounds precisely like what you're having.

Other option: Get a copy of Resco Explorer, go to Control Panel.
Check the Alarms section (should be the same as what you've seen before).
Check the Notifications tab. In the listing, the first half lists by app, and the second half lists by notification. Check to see what apps are listed under SleepNotify, REMSleepRequest and LateWakeup. This gives you a good place to start hunting.

However, that list doesn't list non-apps, so anything that's an ovly, pref, or other non-appl executable could be loading stuff in that causes problems.

First thing to do is to go to Palm's website and download the security update though.

[palmTE]

Thanks folks!

Right now I don't use any of the lock functions, I do recall there was an issue with "turn off the lock x minutes later".
tx for the heads up on the security update .

"Resco Explorer.....Check the Notifications tab. In the listing, the first half lists by app, and the second half lists by notification. Check to see what apps are listed under SleepNotify, REMSleepRequest and LateWakeup. This gives you a good place to start hunting."
Resco looks potent. Palm doesn't realize that it's their user base and forums like this keeping them afloat. Without this forum I'd have to dump my TX.

[alt236]

@_Em

I thought that the security update just fixed an issue with the failed password entry counter. It didn't fix the locking/freezing issue.

[pixelpainter]

Does plucker have an auto update?

[palmTE]

Does plucker have an auto update?

That would make sense, I'm going to ask about it on the Plucker list.

[PinCushionQueen]

What do you mean by auto update and Plucker? The only thing that auto updates in Plucker is the library and only when you open up the app... Basically it just checks for new docs on the card and in ROM - so that shouldn't be affecting your battery life at all.

However, along those lines - pTunes has a Wifi auto update feature where it checks once a month. And I beleive Docs2Go has the same kind of feature. Now those would possibly run your battery down some if they kept trying to look for the updates and something is wrong and wifi is still connected.

[_Em]

I think he means in Sunrise/Page-Plucker. However, he might mean does the software check for and install updates automatically. The answer to the first is "if you want it to" and to the second is "no". If he's asking if the plucker reader will auto-pluck content, the answer is no, as the reader only displays plucker documents, it doesn't do anything fancy.

[palmTE]

Yes, I was thinking of Sunrise-Plucker having an auto-update feature or perhaps automatically looking for content. The only automatic feature I can see on the handheld side is under Plucker | Prefs | Library | Update list. The default is Automatic, and for now I'm leaving that unchanged -- until I know what that setting does. The warm reset completely eliminated the fast-discharge-while-off issue, so I'm going to be conservative about changing things.

"pTunes has a Wifi auto update feature where it checks once a month. And I beleive Docs2Go has the same kind of feature."

I just checked pTunes (standard, not pro) and Docs2Go (upgraded to v10 (317) and I don't see an exposed pref setting to auto-check for updates or not. Did I miss something?

[palmTE]

The issue came back with a much faster discharge rate, but with a clue. It went from 78% to 22% in 16hours while off. When powered up, BT was on (I had done a BT sync, then let it power off). I didn't manually turn off BT; it should have done that along with powering down. BT discovery is off.
Possible cause: The BT radio did not turn off even though the TX automatically powered off.

[_Em]

The BT radio doesn't turn off when the TX is in sleep mode; this is by design. However, it sounds more like the BT pairing didn't disconnect either, which is odd. BT uses minimal power when not paired.

I use Blue Fang to manage my BT so that it stays off when I'm not explicitly using it.

[palmTE]

Caught it again. It went from about 95% to 60% overnight. This time there was no radio running.
I've installed Resco Explorer. How can I use it to determine what's going on?

[alt236]

You are sure there are no alarms running nightly?
Also, do you use any application in background mode? Something like pTunes or Mundo IM?

[palmTE]

Even more strange, it was warm this morning from whatever was running, but after using it it's cooled off to normal - so using it somehow canceled the parasitic drain. I haven't used pTunes on this tx and don't have Mundu. Really I don't have much at all installed, I've listed my apps below.

There are no nightly alarms, just that unknown one in 2008 (which is not shown in the calender).
With Resco Explorer, I have

SleepNotify
WiFile, appl
WifiSlip, aext, LP
RemSleepRequest
BgndService, appl, LP
LateWakup
AirSAM, appl, LP
BgndService, appl, LP
MMNotify, appl, LP
MultiMail, appl
WiFiSlip, aext, LP

Nothing about Plucker. I don't have much at all installed yet. A few doc readers;
Adobe Reader, eReader, Docs2Go upgrade to v10, PalmPDF
FileZ, Plucker
and to troublshoot this problem Resco Explorer, PalmInternals, NoAlarms

[alt236]

Have you set versamail up, to automatically DL messages?
-Sorry, forget it. It would ahve shown in the alarms list.

Can you try spending a night without the SD card in?

[palmTE]

Versamail - I've never used it, there are so many complaints about it on the Treo boards. SD card, I'll try that again. I did that earlier on, but it's worth another try. The strange thing is that it may have stopped now that I've used it (briefly) this morning - the back isn't warm any longer.
I never had this sort of issue with my Vx. One of the best things about the former Palm is that the products actually worked without constant fixing (what a strange idea). It was reliable enough to use as a tool, rather than something that requires endless fiddling so that it *might* work when needed. Palm today is not the same company as Palm then.

[alt236]

That is the problem when you increase the complexity of a system. The problems increase exponentialy..

On the other hand, you can get it to work quite stable. I havent had an unwanted reset from my TX for weeks. And I don't normally reset it manually.

[_Em]

MultiMail and MMNotify are both VersaMail. Those are the only entries in your list that are different from my T|X -- I scrubbed VersaMail from my T|X along with AddIt! and have found things to work much better since.

[alt236]

@Em_
You didn't have any problems at all?
If so I'll be deleting it as well. I just kept it because I though that some of the plug-ins are used system-wide.

[_Em]

The only plugins I still have are MIAttachLib, midataidcache and MIDataLib. I deleted the rest of the VersaMail/MultiMail/MM/MI stuff off my T|X around 2 years ago, and have had no issues because of it.

One thing to note, there are a couple of Multimedia libs that begin with MM. I don't currently seem to have them on my device however, so they must not be too necessary. Then again, I use TCPMP instead of the Multimedia app.

[palmTE]

OK, how do I get rid of Versamail ... if that's going to help.
Can I start by removing it from memory, then worry about making a custom ROM later?
I believe I can manually delete MultiMail and MMnotify w FileZ or RescoExplorer if you know this will not cause other problems.
Does the above list show that it's not Plucker? My TX is so close to factory that there's not much that could be causing this.

btw, it's back to it's old trick - it's noticeably warm despite being off for several hours, and is down to 50% - from 95%+ last night. Whatever this is I can't connect it to any action I perform.

[alt236]

Do you use wifi regularly?

[Gregte]

btw, it's back to it's old trick - it's noticeably warm despite being off for several hours, and is down to 50% - from 95%+ last night. Whatever this is I can't connect it to any action I perform.
For whatever value it may have I can tell you this...

You say that it is down to 50% form 95% last night. I am assuming this means several hours time has passed in which it lost 45% battery capacity.

In order to lose 45% battery capacity in several hours time, assuming that the drain occurred evenly during those hours, it would not produce enough heat to notice. This is a simple law of physics considering the total capacity of the TX's battery and the physical size of the heat dissipating object (the TX).

But since you can actually feel the heat, and since it is only losing 45% capacity in several hours time, then I would conclude that it is drawing a sizable amount of current (at least 280ma and most likely more) for short periods of time as opposed to drawing a smaller amount continuously. When you feel the heat it is using a lot of power. It cannot use an amount of power that will make it feel warm for a long period of time, i.e. several hours, because it does not have that much power to offer. I am assuming 'several' hours to be 6 or more.

This suggests to me that whatever is drawing the power is doing it intermittently but a fairly large amount or power when it is doing it.

I base all the above on my experience with actually measuring the current consumption of the TX under various conditions such as WiFi being on or off, screen brightness, bluetooth on or off etc. The only conditions that make a very noticeable increase in warmth are conditions that draw in the range of 280ma, or more, from the battery.

[palmTE]

More data: I just tried a warm reset. This fixes the problem temporarily. I also found that pTunes wants to check for updates 'every 30 days'. I just deselected that (after warm reset).

What can I conclude? Is is definitely not hardware? If so, which of my apps could do that? I've got virtually nothing beyond factory and several related troubleshooting utilities. Here's what I have again:
Readers:
Adobe Reader, eReader, PalmPDF
General: Docs2Go v10 upgrade Plucker along with CleanPlucker
Utilities PalmInternals RescoEx NoAlarms FileZ

[palmTE]

"Do you use wifi regularly?"
Not at all so far, though I intend to use it at hotspots. I'd also like to set up wireless file xfer outside of Hotsync, though that's a far lower priority than just getting it to work.
"it would not produce enough heat to notice."
Ah, I may not have mentioned 1 thing - it's in a Boxwave Flexiskin case. It's pretty thick, hardly a 'skin' and must be insulating it some. The last case, 90+ down to 60% was about 16 hours (50% after a little usage). Overnight I've seen it drop 25% if malfunctioning and hardly at all - 3% - at other times.
What's the amp/hour capacity of that batt anyway?

[alt236]

Then, can you try spending the night using a "no notifications reset"?
To do that, reset the palm and keep the up button pressed until the grey palm logo shows.
When you finish booting, you'll see that the wifi icon has disappeared.

This is the equivalent of safe mode in windows. It will more or less confirm if its a H/W problem or not. Personally, I seriously doubt it is but just to make sure.

[palmTE]

"Then, can you try spending the night using a "no notifications reset"?
To do that, reset the palm and keep the up button pressed until the grey palm logo shows."

I've tried that, and it worked. But.. the problem doesn't come back consistently after doing a normal reset, so I don't know where to look for the issues.
I did a warm reset eariler today ===> cool case, no discharge
Normal reset 15 min ago ===> case is warm.
Same two procedures several days ago ===> worked fine for 2 days, then breaks.

[_Em]

If the problem doesn't come back consistently, that means it is being caused by an app that doesn't catch the reset signal but is only loading the problematic code when you actually run the app.

So the question is: which app didn't you run for 2 days? That's likely to be the culprit.

[palmTE]

_EM -

Do you think it's worth a binary deletion of the non-factory apps? That would be "delete about 1/2 of apps and try to reproduce problem for a few days", etc. I can't tell if it's fixed right away - something seems to activate randomly, soon after a reset or days later.

[_Em]

The only way I can see something activating based on your profile you provided is by you running the app that eventually triggers the problem. I'd suggest not using some of your apps for a few days and seeing if that fixes it. Then use half of them, see if things change. You can also advance your clock to test during the day to speed things up.

UnCache might help if it turns out it IS an app loading something at startup; but it really seems like it isn't.

I'd suggest doing some quick time advances to try to isolate what time the problem is actually occuring; then you can test much more reliably, and might have more of an idea of what is causing the issue.

[palmTE]

I'll try it. btw, what program can I use to power on/off without using the power button? I've read that the power button has a short life.
- thanks for hanging in there for this -

[Greek]

Even with BT, Wi-Fi, IR and the keyboard driver enabled, my TX never dropped that far in "sleep" mode. I think I got my device at 95% or something overnight.

Some background app/task must be the culprit.

Regards,

[palmTE]

If the list from Resco doesn't finger it, what does? I have installed nothing that I know of which could cause this.
I suppose I could try a hard reset, but it's hard to imagine that calendar data, old to-do items and memos could do this.

[cms]

Do you have nvbackup?

get it, make a backup, then hard reset :D

[palmTE]

"UnCache might help if it turns out it IS an app loading something at startup; but it really seems like it isn't.

I'd suggest doing some quick time advances to try to isolate what time the problem is actually occuring; then you can test much more reliably, and might have more of an idea of what is causing the issue."

Yeah, any way of making this test more methodical and conclusive is a good thing. I'd like to isolate the problem rather than flail at it randomly. Positive results (broken-ness on) are easier to confirm than negative (is it really working or just waiting to break?) so I'll give it 24 hours before concluding that a particular configuration is good.

cms - No NVbackup, but have RescoExplorer which includes backup. I've never used it so that's another thing to budget time for.
If I still have the problem unsolved 2 days from now, I'll hard reset then bring in data+apps in groups, w 24+ hours between changes. It will also mean I have no useful pda until the data + is restored.
/grumble

[cms]

Get NVbackup its free, and it backups through a ''backdoor'' directory in the palm. Believe me when I say Ive tested almost all backup software (I also have rescoExplorer) and nothing comes close to the power and reliability that nvbackup has.

Its one of the only backup utilities that compleatly backup your palm and will restore it to the exact state that you backupd at.

Trust me... (and others who agree with this)

[cms]

You can selective restore your most needed apps after your hard reset, so your palm wont be entirly useless :D

[_Em]

I'll try it. btw, what program can I use to power on/off without using the power button? I've read that the power button has a short life.
- thanks for hanging in there for this -
Use PowerDA, or install MyKbd and create a macro using the power off function :)

[vovka1965]

Try logging battery discharge behavior with BatteryGraph for a few days. Freeware. Get some statistics on the problem.
I wonder if there are any other loggers out there? DbCache logging?

[juggernaut#2]

DbCache logging?
Reset Doctor logs dbcache usage.

but why would dbcache usage burn his palm ?

[PinCushionQueen]

About 2 weeks ago, I tried BatteryGraph to assess my battery usage throughout the day. I got really weird results from BatteryGraph. It would say that my TX was on for 3 hrs when I know it wasn't. Not sure what it's picking up but I don't think it works, at least not on the TX.

[wozofoz]

OK, how do I get rid of Versamail ... if that's going to help.
Can I start by removing it from memory, then worry about making a custom ROM later?
I believe I can manually delete MultiMail and MMnotify w FileZ or RescoExplorer if you know this will not cause other problems.

I checked the following files and they will be installed to your TX after a Hard Reset.
So if you want to get VersaMail back, do a Hard Reset then do an NVBackup Menu>SelectiveRestore of all files rather than a Full restore and the VersaMail files will be there.
Or: I copied the following files to a folder on the card with RE in case I ever want VersaMail back then deleted them from the TX.
I have had no problems :)

_enUS will be different if you use a different language :)

These files are in RAM according to Resco Explorer:
File Name - CreatorID

VersaMail - asc3
_MMServers - asc3
MMConduit - asc6
MMConduit_enUS - asc6
MMConfigFPI - asc8
MMConfigFPI_enUS - asc8
MMHtmlPlugin - MA02
MMHtmlPlugin_enUS - MA02
MMIDCache #0 > 7 - asc4 ( 8 Files)
MMNotify - asc4
MMNotify_enUS - asc4
MMPluginMGR - MMpl
MMPluginMGR_enUS - MMpl
MMPRCPlugin -MA03
MMPRCPlugin_enUS - MA03
MMSmartAdd - MMsa
MMSmartAdd_enUS - MMsa
MMTextPlugin - MA01
MMTextPlugin_enUS - MA01
MMUnzipPlugin - MUnz
MMUnzipPlugin_enUS - MUnz
MMVCal - MA04
MMVCal_enUS - MA04
MMVCardPlugin - MA08
MMVCardPlugin_enUS - MA08
MMWave - MA09
MMWave_enUS - MA09
MMWizard - MMw1
MMWizard_enUS - MMw1
MMWordPlugin - MA09
MMWordPlugin_enUS - MA09
MultiMail - asc3
MultiMail_enUS - asc3
Photo/Video - asc3
Photo/Video_enUS - asc3
VersaMail - msgs
VersaMail_enUS - msg

Thes files are in RAM Unknown Folder according to Resco Explorer:
File Name - CreatorID

MMSDCard - VCrd
MMSDCard_enUS - VCrd

@ PCQ
There are many reports of unusual readings and minor problems with BatteryGraph and the TX.

All the best, woz of oz

[cms]

About 2 weeks ago, I tried BatteryGraph to assess my battery usage throughout the day. I got really weird results from BatteryGraph. It would say that my TX was on for 3 hrs when I know it wasn't. Not sure what it's picking up but I don't think it works, at least not on the TX.

I had an old unupdated version of it and it worked fine, though when I installed the new one I got weird results too, im going to see if I still have a copy of the old one

[BrentDC]

I checked the following files and they will be installed to your TX after a Hard Reset.
So if you want to get VersaMail back, do a Hard Reset then do an NVBackup Menu>SelectiveRestore of all files rather than a Full restore and the VersaMail files will be there.
Or: I copied the following files to a folder on the card with RE in case I ever want VersaMail back then deleted them from the TX.
I have had no problems :)

_enUS will be different if you use a different language :)

These files are in RAM according to Resco Explorer:
File Name - CreatorID

VersaMail - asc3
_MMServers - asc3
MMConduit - asc6
MMConduit_enUS - asc6
MMConfigFPI - asc8
MMConfigFPI_enUS - asc8
MMHtmlPlugin - MA02
MMHtmlPlugin_enUS - MA02
MMIDCache #0 > 7 - asc4 ( 8 Files)
MMNotify - asc4
MMNotify_enUS - asc4
MMPluginMGR - MMpl
MMPluginMGR_enUS - MMpl
MMPRCPlugin -MA03
MMPRCPlugin_enUS - MA03
MMSmartAdd - MMsa
MMSmartAdd_enUS - MMsa
MMTextPlugin - MA01
MMTextPlugin_enUS - MA01
MMUnzipPlugin - MUnz
MMUnzipPlugin_enUS - MUnz
MMVCal - MA04
MMVCal_enUS - MA04
MMVCardPlugin - MA08
MMVCardPlugin_enUS - MA08
MMWave - MA09
MMWave_enUS - MA09
MMWizard - MMw1
MMWizard_enUS - MMw1
MMWordPlugin - MA09
MMWordPlugin_enUS - MA09
MultiMail - asc3
MultiMail_enUS - asc3
Photo/Video - asc3
Photo/Video_enUS - asc3
VersaMail - msgs
VersaMail_enUS - msg

Thes files are in RAM Unknown Folder according to Resco Explorer:
File Name - CreatorID

MMSDCard - VCrd
MMSDCard_enUS - VCrd

@ PCQ
There are many reports of unusual readings and minor problems with BatteryGraph and the TX.

All the best, woz of oz

I believe the SamMgr and AirSam files belong to VM too.....

[_Em]

I believe SamMgr and AirSam are used by other apps too (like Blazer).

[BrentDC]

I believe SamMgr and AirSam are used by other apps too (like Blazer).

I could've sworn that those belong to VM only, because TreoCentral members have been removing those when they make their custom ROM's without VM....

[_Em]

You can remove them, but they control how files are handled by a number of those apps IIRC. I removed them because I don't use the inter-app file passing between Blazer/SMS/VM/etc. but others might find a few things don't work the way they expected if those libs are gone.

Doesn't hurt to try though :)

[BrentDC]

I see, said the blind man who walked into a dark room on a cloudy day :D Thanks for the explanation _Em ;)

[vovka1965]

I still think that if you found some battery logging application that worked on the TX, you could try to see how it discharges. For instance, does the device turn itself on occassionally? Or does it stay asleep as it is discharging?

[BrentDC]

http://battlogger.en.softonic.com/palm

[wozofoz]

BattLogger was turning on the TX every time it logged so it was not of much use when trouble shooting.
The developers were informed and said they would correct this but I have not heard of a fix.

I would suggest to check the update history :)

All the best, woz of oz

[palmTE]

So, 2 actions combined trigger the problem. Last night I
Opened Plucker and a couple of it's docs. B/c Plucker was installed to SD, I also
Re-inserted the SD card... and forgot to take it out.
So some interaction there may have caused it. I have had the card in without the battery drain problem before (it was always left in until I started digging through this issue). But maybe it depends what one was doing before shutting down, like using an app on the card.

Next, I
used Plucker again (which _shouldn't_ be the problem) and
took out the SD card. I am also topping the charge off, since the batt meter might not be linear.

I still think that if you found some battery logging application that worked on the TX, you could try to see how it discharges. For instance, does the device turn itself on occassionally? Or does it stay asleep as it is discharging?
I haven't *seen* it turn on by itself. When I've caught it having a warm back while off the screen was off. What is update history - does that record when the thing is on?

[juggernaut#2]

... does that record when the thing is on?
There´s a small tool out there called OnOffLog. It´s a pref panel and does what it´s name implies :)

[palmTE]

OnOffLog - Anyone have the .prc? I doubt that's the problem or at least the entire problem, since when I catch it being warm the screen is off. Worth a try though.
--- Whatever causes the drain is not continuous - it may turn itself off as well as on. Since removing the SD card, a few hotsyncs and a full recharge it's now cool and not obviously draining. Weird.

It is mentioned on nexave.de, but without a link to the program itself. Google will lead to a German Palm forum. G.Translate works pretty well, but participating in said forum might not.

[palmTE]

grumble/
I'm surprised and rather dismayed that Palm has never written a "watch my charge" diagnostic tool -- this would watch the current draw attributable to each process and log it in a readable fashion. It would not have been hard for Palm to code that in-house.
/grumble

[palmTE]

The cause appears to be having an SD card inserted. I haven't charged it since November... and it's still at 100% (it's been barely used). It's possible the meter function is broken, since I find zero drain hard to believe.
So, if your Palm suffers from mysterious power discharge while off, try removing the SD card.

[juggernaut#2]

OnOffLog - Anyone have the .prc?
I do. I´ll send it to you if you give me your mail.


(on the occasion I wonder why it is forbidden to upload PRC´s on 1src ? usually it´s just those small little tools with ~5k that need to be attached to a post ...?)

[_Em]

I do. I´ll send it to you if you give me your mail.


(on the occasion I wonder why it is forbidden to upload PRC´s on 1src ? usually it´s just those small little tools with ~5k that need to be attached to a post ...?)

...because if they're freeware, you can just upload them to the freeware section and link to there. No need to embed them in the forum threads where they're difficult to find.

[juggernaut#2]

OK, that´s what I did.

[palmTE]

OK, that´s what I did.

Thanks, I'm going to use it with the SD card in, perhaps something about having the card inserted wakes the machine. I'm also going to try a different card.
It's been about 10 days since a charge with very light (almost zero) use of my TX and it still has 80%+ charge. So, without parasitic losses your TX should go 'forever' in standby.

so... if you have a mysterious fast charge drain while your Palm is off, try removing the SD card.