Palm is going to fight back after this (palm os on nokias tablet)

[Modnar]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/13/virtual-palm-os-on-your-nokia-n-series-tablet-hoozah/

OH dear oh dear all out fav apps on the nokia tablet?!?!

how about it???!?!?!??!?!?!

[peterjb31]

Just like to confirm the beta works really well, can run some of my favourite palm apps on the tablet now.

[JAmerican]

Its just another reason for Palm OS II to be out the door...

http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/

JAmerican

[alt236]

Its just another reason for Palm OS II to be out the door...

http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/

JAmerican

Ye Gods! I was tempted to get one of them before, and now I cannot find a serious reason not to...

[holvoetn]

I find it funny Access mentions Datebk5 as being compatible with Garnet VM whereas DB6 is already out for over a year :rolleyes:

[alt236]

I wonder if they'll implement hotsync as well?

Apparently you can but only wirelessly (http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/access-garnet-for-maemo-first-look.html) :).

Ok, it's in my shopping list now.

[LupeValenz]

...why are we waiting for Palm now? Wow, that VM sure does look puuurty!

[intellidryad]

Of course Palm is NOT going to fight back.

"We are just begining to prepare for fighting back, we will finish our preperations on perfecting our press release in 2009: our grandsons will be working on POS II in the near future..."

But seriously, this is all good for us users, but how is Access going to profit from this?

Their main product: the Netfront browser runs much better natively on Linux then on Garnet. And we still don't see anyone comitting to ALP. Or are they giving up and going the way of Netscape? (leaving all the good stuff to users before folding...)

[_Em]

Access profits from this by getting people to migrate to Nokia that are currently stubbornly clinging to Garnet due to the application lock-in. At this point, people will realize that using native apps is much easier, and development is much easier... and the OS will pick up steam, giving Access a larger audience for its own software. Seems like a winning situation for everyone but Palm.

[alt236]

Also, keep in mind that this is a VM. There is no easy application-level integration between the two OSs (Garnet and Maemo).

This will allow users to become familiar with the linux/palm thing but will still give them a niche to invest on (true integration)...

Plus it is a masterstroke by access to kill garnet (and Palm the Company) as _Em said. Lets not forget that Palm is a potential future rival if they release a Linux Based OS.

[BrentDC]

I wanted one of those Nokia Babies before, but now!!!! OMG :D :rolleyes:

[intellidryad]

So this might be a plot to drive Palm fans away from Palm devices?

(I like the comment on Engadget that said this is Access's big "F*** you" to Palm Inc...)

I am now starting to wonder if Nokia could bring together the best of the N-series phones and internet tablets (something like N95+N810) and use ALP...

If real, Treos would really be ready for the tomb.

And as Nokia's main competitor, Sony Ericsson would follow up in some way
(Imagination taking me to geek la la land...)

[harpgliss]

Hi,

This is good for Access and really palm as well.

Keeps people who are palmOS users still using the OS instead of migrating elsewhere.

Benefits Access more than Palm but just because they have an OS ready for hardware.

David

[_Em]

Harpgliss: this isn't good for Palm. As noted above, Palm apps would run, but there would be no incentive to develop new ones, and apps tied to specific Palm hardware wouldn't run. This is a migration strategy, not a "dual OS" strategy.

It doesn't keep people using PalmOS; it takes people who would only use PalmOS and gets them using an alternate OS by default (only using PalmOS for those "must have" apps).

Palm has no comparable OS upgrade path nor comparable hardware upgrade path in its immediate future. This means that people will buy Nokia instead of Palm, and eventually the developers will switch to writing ALP software and abandon Palm... all the "must have" software will have native equivalents, and there will be no reason to use Palm's buggy OS or antiquated hardware.

Hopefully, it will also have the effect of getting the old Palm developer community excited about developing for ALP, resulting in a new flurry of useful software!

[harpgliss]

Hi,

My point was that it keeps users who are thinking of going elsewhere, in the Palm/ALP camp, app wise with the possibility of them migrating to an ALP device or holding hope Palm comes back.

David

[Modnar]

Harpgliss: this isn't good for Palm. As noted above, Palm apps would run, but there would be no incentive to develop new ones, and apps tied to specific Palm hardware wouldn't run. This is a migration strategy, not a "dual OS" strategy.
It has an emulation strategy for a few devices such as the TX and the 650

And yeah it isnt good for palm as no reason to buy the hardware when our apps can run on another....

Palm has no comparable OS upgrade path nor comparable hardware upgrade path in its immediate future. This means that people will buy Nokia instead of Palm, and eventually the developers will switch to writing ALP software and abandon Palm... all the "must have" software will have native equivalents, and there will be no reason to use Palm's buggy OS or antiquated hardware.
Yup its got me most likely to buy a nokia tablet when I go overseas next time!

[HzR]

Yup, this N810 is about what I envisioned as a Tx 2 hardwarewise.
I thought the N810 was quite a lot bigger then a Tx, but they are actually pretty much the same size I just found out:
Tx: 121 x 78 x 15 mm
N810: 128 x 72 x 14 mm

So you get great hardware, all your favorite Palm apps, and the great Nokia browser and Skype use :eek: I'll want to see the reports on the final release of this software to see how hotsynch works, but this is very tempting!

[IonTruO2]

I have to say I think it is brilliant.
I have a couple of N800's for around the house kind of use, and they are awesome. While there are definitely some early growing pains with the N800's, it is really the next level, at least in the realm of good open-source.
Installs, when they go right, are quite thoroughly fast and pretty automated as well.
Some of the software library has to grow more and 'faster'. So, this news is pleasing considering I use a Tx and a Treo650 too.

I really appreciate what _Em is saying.
Palm has momentum and a significant volume of early adopters and freely creative 'experimenters'. (Zlauncher anyone?). I think it makes great sense to draw this crowd towards the N800/N810 ALP. A nice bridge.

I guess I'm one of those end users.
One who is mid way in transitioning, with hands on both platforms.

Now-off to Skype 'voip' with my friend teaching in England, on my N800 internet tablet in bed. ----Free---

[Adam Helberg]

Running the Palm OS as an emulator will cause a performance penalty, use up memory and reduce stability. I don't see it as a big plus for Palm. Some may try it to continue using their Palm apps but I don't think it will have major impact.

Are there many people buying a Mac to use with Windows software? I doubt it. They buy a Windows machine. Someone who already has a Mac may use it to run a Windows program, but I doubt it has a major effect on usage.

And as someone pointed out it will not provide sufficent incentive for developers to write Palm software.

Palm is falling behind in smart phones and it's main niche area is dedicated PDA. Unless they came up with some really competitve smart phone or keep the PDA side going Palm will end up with the soft landing.

Adam

[holvoetn]

Running the Palm OS as an emulator will cause a performance penalty, use up memory and reduce stability. I don't see it as a big plus for Palm. Some may try it to continue using their Palm apps but I don't think it will have major impact.Not necessarily.
If your target machine has plenty of horse power, you might not even notice any performance impact.
Where I work there are servers running multiple instances of Windows, Unix and whatnot all under a VM environment and you wouldn't even know it ...

[alt236]

Running the Palm OS as an emulator will cause a performance penalty, use up memory and reduce stability. I don't see it as a big plus for Palm. Some may try it to continue using their Palm apps but I don't think it will have major impact.

Palm OS5 is already emulatiing quite a lot. In fact 99% of the applications you are using are emulated as they are written for a MC68000 and not an ARM. Since the Nokia Tablets are using an ARM, with some smart coding you can get pretty high efficiency... In addition, there is no NVFS so the overal feel should be faster.


Are there many people buying a Mac to use with Windows software? I doubt it. They buy a Windows machine. Someone who already has a Mac may use it to run a Windows program, but I doubt it has a major effect on usage.
Depends. In my Uni, I've seen quite a few people using bootcamp to run applications unavailable to Macs. I'm also, along with a large number of other researchers, using VMWare to virtualise Linux in Windows and vice versa. It is a common practive in the corporate and IT world in general.


And as someone pointed out it will not provide sufficent incentive for developers to write Palm software.

This is meant to be a swan song for Garnet OS. Both Access has already abandoned its deveopment and Palm is only tweaking. Both are expected to produce a Linix based OS with backwards compatibility in order to keep current customets. they don't want more palm apps. They just don't want you to go away from the platform until equivelant apps for the new OS are available.


Palm is falling behind in smart phones and it's main niche area is dedicated PDA. Unless they came up with some really competitve smart phone or keep the PDA side going Palm will end up with the soft landing.

Its main niche WAS dedicated to the PDA. The last PDA they brought out was more than two years ago. They are a smartphone company now and thats it. In addition, they are not aiming for the highly capable, ever-tweaking, geekdom crowd but for the more every day people.

Do you think that the average user wants 3 different ways to open a file? As a technical support worker I can tell you that most people short circuit if you offer them more than one way to do something. That's where Palm's niche is now...

[ammar766]

Whats the difference between garnet and palm? That nokia look reaaalll nice!!

[alt236]

Garnet is the new name of PalmOS 5.
Access changed its name recently in order to avoid confusion with Palm (the company) products.

[ammar766]

O, okay I get it but why such a crap name like garnet?

[MleB]

"Palm is going to fight back after this"

With what? The Company is like an aging eunuch - whatever it once had of value it cut off some time ago.

If ACCESS is going to hobble the Desktop for Palm users and then flog the OS to 3rd party providers, what - precisely - can Palm do about it?

Like that eunuch, they stand in the mirror and preen and talk about what they once had, what they once looked like and how respected they were, but they have almost certainly seen better days. And the only thing they have left - their fan base - they are alienating by ignoring.

If they have anything to fight back with, the question remains " Who will be around to care? "

[_Em]

O, okay I get it but why such a crap name like garnet?

It was the pre-release name for PalmOS 5, like Longhorn, Leopard, etc. Why it was chosen as a code-name for the OS, I have no idea; I'm sure Wikipedia and other places on the WWW do though.

[PinCushionQueen]

Check out this video of GVM running on a Nokia N800 :D Between native Maemo apps and GVM for my favorite palm apps - I think the N810 is looking a replacement for my TX :D I've read where eReader Pro will open my DRMd books in GVM, there's already a native Plucker port or the FBReader also handles Plucker.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/video-palm-os-garnet-vm-running-on-nokia-n+series-tablet-323927.php

[alt236]

Check out this video of GVM running on a Nokia N800 :D Between native Maemo apps and GVM for my favorite palm apps - I think the N810 is looking a replacement for my TX :D I've read where eReader Pro will open my DRMd books in GVM, there's already a native Plucker port or the FBReader also handles Plucker.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/video-palm-os-garnet-vm-running-on-nokia-n+series-tablet-323927.php

Yup! I'm trying to convince myself not to add it to the Christmas shopping basket...