ZLauncher 5.45 beta 1 Released

[wellsjs]

Not a big update but does seem to run smoother on my Treo 700p. Also installed / activated the dbcache plugin and it's very cool. Set at keep at least 6M free, it doesn't interfere with what I do, and now I don't ever get the Blazer "white screen 30-second delay!" Link to beta is near the bottom of the page. Cool! :)

ZLauncher 5.45b1 (http://www.zztechs.com/product.php?prod=ZLauncher)

[vovka1965]

Set at keep at least 6M free, it doesn't interfere with what I do, and now I don't ever get the Blazer "white screen 30-second delay!"
ZLauncher 5.45b1 (http://www.zztechs.com/product.php?prod=ZLauncher)
Oh well, as usual, leave it to talented 3rd-party developers to fix Palm OS screwups..

[ammar766]

I'm still waiting for zlauncher to be able to run on a memory stick since it occupies 4mb/6mb of my clies ram.

[ammar766]

By the way that link is to a zlauncher 5.44

[wellsjs]

By the way that link is to a zlauncher 5.44Near the bottom of the page in "Others" section . . . like I said . . . see it?

[BrentDC]

I'm still waiting for them to implement icon transparency (I'm assuming when you said it wasn't a major update, they didn't add that?).

[wellsjs]

I'm still waiting for them to implement icon transparency (I'm assuming when you said it wasn't a major update, they didn't add that?).Nope!

Changes in 5.45 Beta 1:

1. Fixed the sound looping problem on Treo 680 and Treo 700p when the screen goes black .

2. Provided a solution for user to stop ZLauncher from launching in case of the error problem after reset the device.

3. On NVFS, added ability that the DBCache would automatically be recycled when it's running less than 5M RAM. This ability is to enhance the performance on NVFS.

4. Added a plugin called ZLPluginDBCache which you can view, free DBCache. This plugin is only can be used on NVFS, and especially useful for TX, you can find it in the download package of ZLauncher.

5. Fixed a bug that the newly installed applications are not showing up under ZLauncher, but can be found under the default launcher.

6. Fix a bug that ZLauncher exits to the default launcher when pressing the Home button after reinstalling ZLauncher.

[LanMan]

I just want Quick Launch to support a long button hold. :(

[palmuse]

Cool. Thanks.

[dump71]

What am I doing wrong? Using the correct link for 5.45b1, I unzipped and copy zlauncher.prc and zlplugindbcache.prc to my SD card. Then, using ZL file manager, I copied the files to RAM. During this process, I get the following error, "Database: already open (Dm 0205)". When I check the M. Date for ZL, it shows 6/13/07 (v5.44)---clearly did not copy the new version. As for the new plugin, it appears in RAM with the correct M. Date, 11/9/07---so it did copy the new plugin. I tried two times and got the same results. I don't understand why 5.45b1 won't copy over my 5.44 :confused:

Interestingly, the new plugin works with 5.44...sort of. It will display dbcache info in my plugin panel and will display/adjust preferences. It won't "clear now" when tapped however. I haven't tried the auto clear function yet.

Thanks for any help!

[TommyMather]

What am I doing wrong? Using the correct link for 5.45b1, I unzipped and copy zlauncher.prc and zlplugindbcache.prc to my SD card. Then, using ZL file manager, I copied the files to RAM. During this process, I get the following error, "Database: already open (Dm 0205)". When I check the M. Date for ZL, it shows 6/13/07 (v5.44)---clearly did not copy the new version. As for the new plugin, it appears in RAM with the correct M. Date, 11/9/07---so it did copy the new plugin. I tried two times and got the same results. I don't understand why 5.45b1 won't copy over my 5.44 :confused:

You said you was "using ZL file manager". then you should know that "ZL file manager" is one part of ZLauncher, that means ZLauncher was still running on your device while you was overwriting it. That's why you got the error message. You should hotsync them in RAM, or copy it from card to RAM by using other file manager tool.


Interestingly, the new plugin works with 5.44...sort of. It will display dbcache info in my plugin panel and will display/adjust preferences. It won't "clear now" when tapped however. I haven't tried the auto clear function yet.

I assume there's not so much cache leaving on your device, the plugin states: especially useful for TX.

[dump71]

I forgot to mention that I tried using FileZ to copy instead of ZL's file manager for the reason you mentioned. I got the following error: "Error: dm: Already Exists in copyItem VFSToInternal () a (ZLauncher)". When trying to clear the error message, I got the following message: "There was an error during copy, stopping."

[BrentDC]

Use Resco Explorer, it'll copy anything from anywhere to anywhere (just make sure to use the Press-and-Select "Install to Ram" option ;) )

[dump71]

Um, resco explorer did copy it. Well, I'll be darned :D Thanks BrentDC!!

[TommyMather]

I forgot to mention that I tried using FileZ to copy instead of ZL's file manager for the reason you mentioned. I got the following error: "Error: dm: Already Exists in copyItem VFSToInternal () a (ZLauncher)". When trying to clear the error message, I got the following message: "There was an error during copy, stopping."
Did you try exit ZLauncher first and then use Filez...

[BrentDC]

What did I tell you, RE will pratically copy things to ROM.... Just kidding, but in v4..... :D

[dump71]

Did you try exit ZLauncher first and then use Filez...

Yep---same thing.

[TommyMather]

Yep---same thing.
How about do a soft reset for your palm.
Or use Resco would be fine...

[wellsjs]

I love this dbcache plugin. I don't see anything significant when I hit "Clear now" either, but as you launch and close apps, just look at the free dbcache displayed. It will never drop below what you set the threshold at, and it does it very fast. I have yet to have the white screen delay starting Blazer since installing this. That's fantastic! ;)

[Shrink]

I installed the new beta and the cache plugin but don't really see how to configure it. I don't see a "clear now" button either. Also I use "TesetDr. which also has cache mgmt. I disabled it until I find out more about the ZLauncher cache functions.
Advice?
Thanks
alan

[Shrink]

Hmmm. I found out how to configure it but it doesn't seem to do anything even when I press the "clear now" button.
Oh well, I guess I'll reactivate "ResetDr" till I know more.
Thanks anyway
alan

[wellsjs]

The "Clear Now" button does indeed seem to not do anything. But if you set the "Auto clear if free" to "6 M," I believe this is optimal. Blazer (on Treos anyway) does a dbcache clear on launch if dbcache is below, best I can tell, about 5M. This results in about a 30-second (I kid you not) white screen wait until dbcache has been cleared. Very frustrating. Since using ZL's dbcache plugin set to "6 M," I have not had this happen once. My free dbcache always stays above 6M.

I have found if you clear all available dbcache, with Resco Explorer for example, the first few commands you envoke will run slow, until certain things get loaded back into dbcache that really need to be there for optimal operation. This is just like a PC. If you run one of those memory freeing applications, you will notice lags in performance for a bit until what needs to be in memory gets back in! ;)

[wellsjs]

I installed the new beta and the cache plugin but don't really see how to configure it. I don't see a "clear now" button either. Also I use "TesetDr. which also has cache mgmt. I disabled it until I find out more about the ZLauncher cache functions.
Advice?
Thanks
alanFrom your main ZL screen tap on the Plugin tab (mine's named "Today"), highlight "ZLPluginDBCache" and tap the "Pref" button at the bottom of the screen. You can select the text color, check "Auto clear ..." (you want to check this) and from the drop-down select "6 M," and "OK."

[Shrink]

From your main ZL screen tap on the Plugin tab (mine's named "Today"), highlight "ZLPluginDBCache" and tap the "Pref" button at the bottom of the screen. You can select the text color, check "Auto clear ..." (you want to check this) and from the drop-down select "6 M," and "OK."
Thanks wellssjs.
OK, I actually deleted ResetDr from my TX and set it up as you suggested. I did noticed a brief "freeze" when it seemed to clear the cache. It might be handy to have a little pop up screen telling you it's working when that happens. It was a little disconcerting at first. Whatever it does seem much shorter that ResetDr., and as you said, no white screen for 30 seconds. Thanks for the heads up and advice.
alan

[palmuse]

Cool? Nah... SUPERCOOL!!! :D The dbcache plugin is great! (aside from the 'clear now' button :rolleyes: )
I also have ResetDoctor and both seem to work together ok so far. RD (set to clear at 4M) sometimes catches the dbcache on leaving an app, but for the majority of the time ZL catches it. I think the fixes to ZL itself also help. I am seeing free cache upwards of 8.5M at times. Before this I was running around 6M even after a flush (RD or OF). I am one happy camper so far.

[palmuse]

It might be handy to have a little pop up screen telling you it's working when that happens. It was a little disconcerting at first.
alan
I get a bit of a notification indirectly. I use DisplayManager to auto-hide the statbar and there is a slight pause in this as the dbcahe clears. I see a light gray bar were the statbar was. I agree that a signal of some sort would be nice.
Also, I am not too fond of the look of the plugin itself. Some options like a graphic or abbreviated numeric values would look nicer. But the function is great as I said.

[wellsjs]

Thanks wellssjs.
OK, I actually deleted ResetDr from my TX and set it up as you suggested. I did noticed a brief "freeze" when it seemed to clear the cache. It might be handy to have a little pop up screen telling you it's working when that happens. It was a little disconcerting at first. Whatever it does seem much shorter that ResetDr., and as you said, no white screen for 30 seconds. Thanks for the heads up and advice.
alanGlad to be of help and that it's working for you. I did notice the first little freeze/lag this morning, but I think that mostly this plugin dumps just enough from DBCache to satisfy the set threshold, and it does it when switching between apps, so as to be practically unnoticeable. That makes it superior to the apps that clear the entire cache, which takes too long and you end up waiting for that to finish. This seems to be a well thought out approach. ;)

[alt236]

The only thing I wish is that the dbcache plugin would show the info in either KBs or MBs (or possibly a graph)... It takes too much space as it is.

Apart from that, I'm one happy camper :)

[Shrink]

Glad to be of help and that it's working for you. I did notice the first little freeze/lag this morning, but I think that mostly this plugin dumps just enough from DBCache to satisfy the set threshold, and it does it when switching between apps, so as to be practically unnoticeable. That makes it superior to the apps that clear the entire cache, which takes too long and you end up waiting for that to finish. This seems to be a well thought out approach. ;)
Yes, all in all I'm really happy with the new beta. It actually seems smoother than before, but, heck, my car seems to run better after I wash it. That's just me. Nonetheless, I'm happy.
alan

[wellsjs]

my car seems to run better after I wash it. That's just me. Nonetheless, I'm happy.
alanYou've experienced that too, huh? And then it rains! :eek:

[HowardH]

I usually just run the native Palm launcher. However, after seeing this topic I thought I'd give ZLauncher another whirl. I've tried it in the past, but felt it slowed down the TX. It does seem faster, but I've noticed that the TX freezes, necessitating a reset, during dbcache clearing when wifi is active. To be fair, this also happens when using automatic dbcache clearing with Off Flush, Reset Doctor and Flushit. To get around it I use Off Flush DA to manually clear cache and make sure that wifi is not connected. I don't know if anyone else has had this problem. I'd consider ZLauncher if I could turn off the auto flush, since there seem to be a bunch of nice themes available.

[Shrink]

Perhaps if you remove the plugin, it won't "flush"
alan

[HowardH]

I disabled the plugin but still get short "freezes" where the ZLauncher screen is unresponsive for a short period when switching to ZL from another app.

I suspect its dbcache clearing going on and seems to be a built-in function.

From zztechs beta detail page:

"On NVFS, added ability that the DBCache would automatically be recycled when it's running less than 5M RAM. This ability is to enhance the performance on NVFS. "

It looks like the plugin may be to provide dbcache status as well as enhanced clearing choices.

[Greek]

Anyone knows if the plugin works on its own, without ZL?

Regards,

[TommyMather]

Anyone knows if the plugin works on its own, without ZL?

Regards,

The answer is "No!" to "works on its own!";
And the answer to "without ZL" is "Yes.", because the plugin can also run under Launch-Anywhere.

[sgosnell]

I've tried running it, and see no result at all. MemInfo does increase the free cache, but the ZL plugin does nothing that's obvious, at least on a Lifedrive.

[wellsjs]

If you set up the plugin to show the available DBCache memory on your Today screen, when you exit an application and the DBCache is below the threshold you have set, watch the value for a few seconds and you should see it increase to above the threshold you set. That's this plugin's little ditty, and it's sweet! It has made my Treo much nicer to use, never getting the Blazer white screen, and has even eliminated a reset that another application caused associated with the way Blazer dumps DBCache. I'm getting my money's worth out of this little plugin, that's for sure! :)

[scottl]

ZZTech has removed the beta download (http://www.zztechs.com/product.php?prod=ZLauncher) link as mentioned in the first post of this thread. I submitted a list of observations, bugs, and suggestions to them yesterday. They replied last night and I replied with more today. I'm hoping they take action on my suggestions. I learned a little something from their support though...

Tip: For those (like me) that don't like the idea of adding a Plugin Panel and losing all of that screen real estate to gain the more granular function of the plugin. The plugin can be added to the Top or Bottom Bar of your display and still perform its job! The "icon" it places on the bar is bulky and I had to lose two useful icons to fit it, but it's much better than the 3/4" Plugin Panel killing a whole row of my app icons! Note that you need to tap on the icon to set it's threshold and color each time you add/remove it.

[Shrink]

ZZTech has removed the beta download (http://www.zztechs.com/product.php?prod=ZLauncher) link as mentioned in the first post of this thread. I submitted a list of observations, bugs, and suggestions to them yesterday. They replied last night and I replied with more today. I'm hoping they take action on my suggestions. I learned a little something from their support though...

Tip: For those (like me) that don't like the idea of adding a Plugin Panel and losing all of that screen real estate to gain the more granular function of the plugin. The plugin can be added to the Top or Bottom Bar of your display and still perform its job! The "icon" it places on the bar is bulky and I had to lose two useful icons to fit it, but it's much better than the 3/4" Plugin Panel killing a whole row of my app icons! Note that you need to tap on the icon to set it's threshold and color each time you add/remove it.
What does this mean? It's kind of mysterious to tell us that they yanked the beta because of what you wrote them but NOT to tell us what you wrote them.
???
alan

[Shrink]

Just went here:
http://www.zztechs.com/download/ZLauncher/beta_1.php
The beta is there as of 1:50 pm EST USA
alan

[scottl]

It's kind of mysterious to tell us that they yanked the beta because of what you wrote them but NOT to tell us what you wrote them.I doubt they pulled the beta because of my comments. These were two separate observations.

1) The beta link is not displayed where it was yesterday (bottom of the product page) - though it appears a direct link still works.

2) I communicated with them and came back with a tip to share.

[TheUltimate]

I believe its an issue with the 755P, its been reported (once by me) from many sites that it just keeps reseting the device. they also said they are aware of the issue with the 755 and will fix this on the next beta release. so if you have a 755 I suggest you not install this yet.

[Shrink]

I doubt they pulled the beta because of my comments. These were two separate observations.

1) The beta link is not displayed where it was yesterday (bottom of the product page) - though it appears a direct link still works.

2) I communicated with them and came back with a tip to share.
And a great tip it is. Thanks so much.
alan

[palmuse]

Anyone had trouble with Launch-Anywhere and the ZL beta or plugin? I keep having freezes where my Palm will no longer respond to anything when launching via LA until a reset. I will add that these apps that lock are 68K (old).

Also, my LA recent/frequent app lists seem to get corrupted. I have 6 of each. When it gets corrupted only 5 of 6 show in LA. I know that LA has issues with flushing. I added LA to my RLock list hoping this would fix it, but no luck. I also added one of the apps that has locked (Timesheet) to RLock, but again, not a fix.

Anyone using both ZL and LA had similar experience yet? I have not reported it to ZZTechs yet.

[pixelpainter]

yes i did! It made my TX very unstable

[palmuse]

My troubles are affecting other apps now too. I think it must be an issue between LA 1.0 and ZL 5.45b. I might try using Z 5.44 with the plugin for a day and see if the problems persist. I will say LA is due for an update as I have had trouble with it at other times.

I will attempt to report my issue to ZZTechs too (although I do not know the which app is trouble. ??? )

[wellsjs]

palmuse,

What application doesn't the TX have a problem with? :p :) Just kidding, sort of. The TX is the most sensitive, unstable Palm they've ever rolled out. But you should give detailed report of what you do and what happens to ZZTechs. That's the only way they can improve ZL.

[sgosnell]

I tried ZLauncher, and while the file manager is nice, it seems unstable and keeps losing its mind over categories and settings. It just isn't stable on my Lifedrive. I also see no effect from the dbcache plugin, and MemInfo seems to do a better job. I've gone back to LauncherX.

[plaid]

I also am having some problems with the plugin. Its frustrating to launch my launcher and have to sometimes wait 20 seconds before I can do anything while it clears the cache. By the way, this happens even with the option to auto clear turned off - it will auto clear the cache anyway.

[palmuse]

palmuse,

What application doesn't the TX have a problem with? :p :) Just kidding, sort of. The TX is the most sensitive, unstable Palm they've ever rolled out. But you should give detailed report of what you do and what happens to ZZTechs. That's the only way they can improve ZL.

Mine is actually mostly stable. I normally only reset once or so a day :D I understand this is a beta and will report my issues once I can isolate it. :) I am running ZL 5.44 again with the dbcache plugin. If my issues go away, I feel it is safe to think ZL 5.45b1 is the culprit. I suspect that the auto-dump of ZL 5.45b1 might be the source of my pain. I have no idea when is occurs.

BTW the plugin seems to work fine with ZL 5.44 but I do not see as much free cache upon clearing. This seems to only dump when you go to the launcher which should be fairly safe.

Anyway, I will see what tomorrow brings.

[palmuse]

Quick update: ZL 5.44 has worked all day with the dbcache plugin. No freezes.

[scottl]

News (http://www.zztechs.com/news.php): 12/17/2007 ZLauncher v5.45 released

Download page is here (http://www.zztechs.com/product.php?prod=ZLauncher).

I just downloaded it, so no observations yet, but I was going to their site to look for a new beta because of bugs in beta3. Hope they fixed them!

[pokeypda]

Is the main menu info screen supposed to show the version no. as 5.4.9? Instead of 5.45? Two other meth ods show 5.45, so I'm pretty sure that's what I'm running. But why 5.4.9 and not 5.45 or 5.44?

[scottl]

Is the main menu info screen supposed to show the version no. as 5.4.9?Look closer, that's your PalmOS version. ZLauncher's About screen shows the version of ZL.

[pokeypda]

Thanks, clears that little mystery up.

[palmuse]

News (http://www.zztechs.com/news.php): 12/17/2007 ZLauncher v5.45 released

Download page is here (http://www.zztechs.com/product.php?prod=ZLauncher).

I just downloaded it, so no observations yet, but I was going to their site to look for a new beta because of bugs in beta3. Hope they fixed them!

Thanks for the tip.

[Tomohawk]

I don't suppose that they implementted a DA launcher? ZL doesn't seem to like DAs

[scottl]

I don't suppose that they implementted a DA launcher? ZL doesn't seem to like DAsYou can't launch them from any tab, but you can create a dedicated tab that lists and launches your DAs. Open the ZL menu and select Tab, New, Preset, DA. Go to that tab and you should see your DAs.

[pokeypda]

I put DAs on the bottom bar, have done so for quite a while. Just wish I could change thier icons.

[scottl]

I put DAs on the bottom bar, have done so for quite a while. Just wish I could change thier icons.I used to do that and stopped for the same reason. Granted, there are floating tips, but ... not good enough.

[cat_taylor]

I have updated to the most recent version 5.45 , but after switching from my NX80 to a TH55 and upgrading, I cannot get ZLauncher to actually act as my default launcher. It says it is, but the home button just takes me to the system launcher. Any thoughts?

[wozofoz]

I don't know theTH55 so I guess the HomeButton can't be set to ZL in Prefs ?

Did you try a Soft Reset ?
Tick Default Launcher in ZL then Exit to another app then Soft Reset.

Other than that I'm not sure what could help.
Good luck :)

All the best, woz of oz

[LanMan]

I have ZL set to the default launcher on my '55 and it works just fine. I think that there is a setting in ZL for that, but I don't remember where it is.

[cat_taylor]

There's a checkbox in the general tab for making it the default launcher (I've checked, unchecked, reset, etc.) but I don't see anything for the home button. I have QuickLaunch set for the "back" button on the back on the TH55 with Zlauncher at the top of the list, but it sure would be nice if I could get this to work.

[wozofoz]

There's a checkbox in the general tab for making it the default launcher (I've checked, unchecked, reset, etc.) but I don't see anything for the home button
I don't know if this is the same for your Palm but what I meant was, if you launch the Prefs application and Select 'Buttons' you may be able to set ZL to that button.

That ZL QuickLaunch has been mentioned a few times as not working properly under some conditions, I gave up trying to use it.
Disable the Quicklaunch feature, then Soft Reset is probably a good idea, then re-tick the Default Launcher to see if that works.
If you find that QuickLaunch is causing the problem but still want a BackButton with a 'Recent and Favorites' list have a look at Switch5 (www.freewarepalm.com/authors/mark_tamura.shtml)
It's black and white so not so pretty but worked great on my Zire71 and TE (I use myKbd, with this feature built in, on my TX so I don't need it now)

Other than that, since someone else has the same model Palm and ZL version then there must be something going wrong but I can't think what it would be :confused:

All the best, woz of oz

[cat_taylor]

Hey Woz, thanks for the thoughts. I tried unchecking Quick Launch (and Fast Find just in case) and did a soft reset, which seems to take a whole lot longer on the TH than on the NX. Anyway I re-checked it and that didn't do it. Since I have so much more room on the internal hard drive, I went through and started moving things I had ZLauncher put on the card back to memory and got rid of some duplicate icons. removed the 4Cast plugin, although strangely the icon showed up anyway, was still there after the reset and still linked to the program.. I decided to delete 4Cast to test whether that was having some weird affect and reset yet again. The icon was *still there* although I did get a "no plugin" message. I then reinstalled ZL 5.45. Icon still there so removed it using the Top/Bot.Bar and did one more reset. One last time I clicked to make it the default launcher and one last time I was disappointed. Guess I'm just special.

Oh yes and the home button does not appear in the Pref's window.

[cat_taylor]

I suppose I completely reinstall ZLauncher, but it took quite a while to get it set up just the way I like it and restoring it never really gets it 100% there....

[wozofoz]

To remove the duplicate icons, did you try:

ZL>Menu>Options> Update All Shortcuts

ZL>Menu>Options>Refresh Apps

Also, if you want to re-install ZL but keep your setup then you can:

• ZL>Menu>App>Profile Manager
then 'Save Current Profile' and give it a name.
• Go to
ZL>Menu>App>FileManager
and find the Profile, it is not under ZL just the name you gave it.
• Copy this Profile to somewhere on the card but not in a ZL 'area'
• Delete ZL completely
• Soft Reset
• Install ZL
• Check to see if Default Launcher works
• Move the Profile from card to RAM
• ZL>Menu>App>Profile Manager and select the Profile
• Check again to see if Default Launcher works

I just noticed that you say "restoring it never really gets it 100% there.." so I guess you may have tried this already but I will leave the above instructions just in case you haven't or for the benefit of someone else :)

All the best, woz of oz

[wozofoz]

One more thought:
If you make any changes to ZL eg: change the Top/Bottom Bar icons, you must launch another app before doing a Soft Reset.

The changes made in Palm apps are not 'completed' until you exit the app at which point the changes are written in permanently (truly no multi-tasking)
There are a few exceptions where apps have a 'Save Changes' feature but these are rare.

All the best, woz of oz

[cat_taylor]

Well, I tried your suggestions and unfortunately not only did it not work, but I had to recreate a number of my weird preferences. Had also tried updating all shortcuts, refreshing apps and exiting ZLauncher, but to no avail. No worries, they were good ideas, they just didn't work. The only thing I can think of is some sort of conflict with another piece of software.

[cat_taylor]

OK, I bit the bullet and started over. I backed up everything and did a hard reset. I copied my unsaved preferences from the card a reinstalled ZLauncher 5.45 from the desktop computer. Did a series of entering and exiting ZLauncher, checking and unchecking, resetting, etc. but it still won't show as the default launcher. Tried the same with ZL 4.3, no luck. Tried just copying 4.5 from the card without copying over the unsaved preferences, still no luck. Restored from backup, so am back to where I started.

[cat_taylor]

WooHoo! Had just posted on the ZZTechs support site and was looking at an seemingly unrelated thread
here (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67270&page=8&pp=15&highlight=zlauncher+default) and found this

"To map the home icon to ZL you need to do a couple things:
1. Put a check on the box next to "Default Launcher" in General tab of ZLPreferences.
2. Go to CLIE Organizer Menu, Options, CLIE Organizer Prefs, and UNCHECK the box next to Assign to Home, tap OK."

Number 2 of this was the missing link - it worked! Must be an Palm OS5 thing, never had to do that before.

Many thanks to Dan T for that one.

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