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lichan
10-03-2007, 01:37 PM
A useful option for NVBackup would be to be able to compare a save set and the current state of internal memory and list what is new with size and what has changed size with the two sizes. I'm trying to find the source of an intermittent 4K drop in free internal memory (perhaps a memory leak?) that has been occuring after a catastrophic reset and a incomplete restore from NVBackup (it kept resetting in the middle of the restore) No new software was intalled before the save set. I've tried to reinstall the software & games that I use in case something was hosed. It seems to continue dropping in steps of 4K. YiShow is the launcher I use and the games include Acid Solitaire, WordWiggle, Text Twist, Marbles2, FreeJongg, and Bejeweled.
juggernaut#2
10-04-2007, 02:21 AM
did you do a full restore or a selective one with all files selected?
lichan
10-04-2007, 09:16 AM
A full restore.
pruss
10-10-2007, 07:40 PM
The shareware backup solution that I am working on will have this feature implemented in a particularly simple way--the Selective Restore will simply show only the changed files.
Abe Frohman
10-11-2007, 11:35 AM
CardBackup by jkware does this. I used to use it, but stopped after a few weeks with NVBackup. Here's a link to CardBackup's manual....you can scroll down to the "Partial Restore" section to see the screen shots. I found this part of CardBackup very useful and would love to see it in NVBackup.

http://www.jkware.com/download/CardBackup_V2_1.pdf
cyberdude
10-11-2007, 01:58 PM
CardBackup by jkware does this. I used to use it, but stopped after a few weeks with NVBackup. Here's a link to CardBackup's manual....you can scroll down to the "Partial Restore" section to see the screen shots. I found this part of CardBackup very useful and would love to see it in NVBackup.

http://www.jkware.com/download/CardBackup_V2_1.pdf
Except Card Backup, which I also own, didn't play nicely with my TX. I gave it up. I believe RescoBackupPro and RescoBackup both do this. They have a diff button.
Afaebe
10-11-2007, 02:32 PM
I use rescobackup pro now, it has this feature. Would be commendable if implemented on NVBackup
PatrickS
10-11-2007, 11:11 PM
What I would like to see is an option to not reset after a selective restore. Sometimes I just want to restore a single, innocuous file and it is veeerrry annoying to suffer through a minute-long reset after what would otherwise be a two second restore.
sgosnell
10-12-2007, 09:15 AM
I agree. A reset on a Lifedrive because of installing one file is a major PITA. My Lifedrive crashed big time, and I'm in the process of restoring apps one at a time to try to find any software conflicts, and it's becoming very annoying. I'm probably going to use BackupMan exclusively from now on, because of this.
Zano2004
10-12-2007, 09:44 AM
I agree. A reset on a Lifedrive because of installing one file is a major PITA. My Lifedrive crashed big time, and I'm in the process of restoring apps one at a time to try to find any software conflicts, and it's becoming very annoying. I'm probably going to use BackupMan exclusively from now on, because of this.I had a Life Drive for a little while. When it's IR function disappeared, I used that opportunity to get my money back. The real reason I wanted out of the LD: the resets were too painful.
sgosnell
10-12-2007, 09:55 AM
With the CF replacement of the HD, it takes about as long as with a TX, perhaps 30 seconds. It's a lot longer than with my T3, but it's bearable. I definitely won't go back to the HD.

PS. I just did a reset and timed it - 26 seconds.
Zano2004
10-12-2007, 10:08 AM
With the CF replacement of the HD, it takes about as long as with a TX, perhaps 30 seconds. It's a lot longer than with my T3, but it's bearable. I definitely won't go back to the HD.

PS. I just did a reset and timed it - 26 seconds.You replaced the HD with CF? The LD I had wouldn't have been easy to swap. What capacity of CF do you have?
thenrik
10-12-2007, 10:26 AM
Hi:

I hope the future shareware NVbackup will allow users to choose between show all and only show changed files. My sister uses the selective restore to transfer her address book, calendar and memos from her primary T/X to a backup one.

Tom
BrentDC
10-12-2007, 01:57 PM
What I would like to see is an option to not reset after a selective restore. Sometimes I just want to restore a single, innocuous file and it is veeerrry annoying to suffer through a minute-long reset after what would otherwise be a two second restore.

I agree this would be nice, but since NVBackup works differently than the afore mentioned backup programs (it reads/writes directly from program memory as apposed to the DbCache), this may be impossible. But if it is, maybe only reset if one of the restored file(s) attributes is "Reset After Install"?
_Em
10-12-2007, 03:41 PM
Alex is working on a shareware backup app based on NVBackup, and has indicated that he has included a "list only changed files" option in the selective restore. Possibly, he'll add the "skip reboot" option to this program as well.
sgosnell
10-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Zano, I used a 4GB CF, the largest the OS can handle. UsedPDAParts sells them ready to go for $95. It's completely drop-in, took me about 5 minutes. Less power, faster operation, way better.
Zano2004
10-12-2007, 08:25 PM
Zano, I used a 4GB CF, the largest the OS can handle. UsedPDAParts sells them ready to go for $95. It's completely drop-in, took me about 5 minutes. Less power, faster operation, way better.Your LD surely is the better for it. Good deal.
sgosnell
10-12-2007, 08:32 PM
I bought it for that. I got it cheap off ebay ($75) expressly to install a CF card in place of the HD. The result is very close to a TX with 4GB storage.
pusfarm
10-12-2007, 09:52 PM
CardBackup by jkware does this. I used to use it, but stopped after a few weeks with NVBackup. Here's a link to CardBackup's manual....you can scroll down to the "Partial Restore" section to see the screen shots. I found this part of CardBackup very useful and would love to see it in NVBackup.

http://www.jkware.com/download/CardBackup_V2_1.pdf
This used to be my preferred backup program, but the developer has apparently gone MIA. It was never updated to work on Treos or with NVFS, but please correct me if this has changed.

Doesn't really matter, I guess, as NVBackup has worked flawlessly. Thanks Alex!
pruss
10-13-2007, 08:32 PM
I agree. A reset on a Lifedrive because of installing one file is a major PITA. My Lifedrive crashed big time, and I'm in the process of restoring apps one at a time to try to find any software conflicts, and it's becoming very annoying. I'm probably going to use BackupMan exclusively from now on, because of this.

Instead of restoring one file at a time, you should use bisection. Restore half the files first. If that fails, you know that the problem is in this half. Else, the problem is in the other half. Then restore half of the problematic part.

If there is only one faulty file, you are guaranteed to get to the answer in no more than 1+log2(n) steps, where n is the number of files.

There is a way of reseting the NVFS system so a reset is not needed, but the only person outside of Palm who knows how to do that is probably Dmitry.
Zano2004
10-13-2007, 10:43 PM
I bought it for that. I got it cheap off ebay ($75) expressly to install a CF card in place of the HD. The result is very close to a TX with 4GB storage.Ah, but I haven't found a 4GByte SD card that's worth using in my Tx. I use a 2 GByte Sandisk Extreme III SD Card. Nothing is as fast at doing backups. NVBackup does a new 30 MByte backup in less than 2 minutes and I'm not a brave man.......:D
sgosnell
10-14-2007, 10:54 AM
Zano: the 4MB that UsedPDAParts sells is fast enough - far faster than the HD. It's an easy job to replace it, only 4 screws to remove, but you do have to open up the case. It's your choice, of course.

Pruss: I know how to do an ordered search, but the problem is that you can't quickly determine which program, or even whether any program, causes the problem. It requires a few days of use before I can say for sure that the installed program causes a problem, plus it can be a specific combination of programs that conflict. I've decided that a slow methodical approach is the way I want to go, and that requires adding programs back in different combinations. The reset after every restore is a PITA for this, but I understand your reasons for doing it. I also have my reasons for using other backup apps. I can't complain too much about freeware, of course; I can choose not to use it, and the monetary cost isn't an issue. Different needs are the reason for lots of different apps.
1Paladin
10-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Alex is working on a shareware backup app based on NVBackup, and has indicated that he has included a "list only changed files" option in the selective restore. Possibly, he'll add the "skip reboot" option to this program as well.
In my post here:
http://1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133683

I mention the inability to see a recover set that is UL-ed to a FTP server.
I hope this new version fixes this as that seems like a useful solution to an "off PDA" backup.

If anyone has any ideas on that post, I would appreciate any help.