Remap TG50 Hard Buttons

[kusumo]

Anyone could suggest the best app to remap TG50 hard buttons?

Would be nice if I can reprogram the hard button to show submenu of different apps that I can then select with using the jog dial...

[Rick 098]

go to Prefs, then select buttons from the dropdown list.

[alan98]

Can try mcphling

[Unregistered]

use KeyQuick....

[OeyShaoMin]

you can dwnload here ..
http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/%7Eimazeki/palm/KEYq/index.html

[rhart00]

TealLaunch looks like it might be able to do what you are trying to.

[Porter]

I downloaded keyquick to get a better idea of what it can do. Try reading the english version of the ReadMe file (obviously translated from japanese). It is just a little confusing ;)

[paxton]

I've tried Keyquick a little bit and I have to say it is a great tool. I really like the audioplayer remote feature. The only drawback is that it can't launch programs located on memorysticks. If it would to that I could get rid off McPhling. But right now I have to use both programs.

But I think I have to play a little bit more with this program because the english translation is really useless ;-)

[philj]

Hi guys,
I tried as advised Keyquick, which seems to be a fine app...But I can't launch DAs (like DAmemopad) from the side menu (none of my DAs appear in the list of apps to be selected in the sidebar menu customization !)
AFAIK, the side menu should support this feature because some screenshots of keyquick manual show DAs in the sidemenu ???
Any idea ?

[TreoRenegade]

Re: can't launch DAs w/KeyQuick .... nor can I get them to launch successfully from either TealLaunch or McPhling. Invariably yields a "memory out of range" fatal reset error. There's a thread here somewhere, explaining that such crashes occur when the pop-up launcher is activated by a hard button, as opposed to a swipe. Okey is supposed to offer a version of the silkscreen buttons, but I've found that it conflicts with various apps, so I use it only for the sticky key deal.

FYI: TealLaunch does not relate to apps on the memory stick (or I missed how to arrange it so it would). McPhling does.

TreoRenegade

[paxton]

Originally posted by philj
Hi guys,
I tried as advised Keyquick, which seems to be a fine app...But I can't launch DAs (like DAmemopad) from the side menu (none of my DAs appear in the list of apps to be selected in the sidebar menu customization !)
AFAIK, the side menu should support this feature because some screenshots of keyquick manual show DAs in the sidemenu ???
Any idea ?

Did you install DAHelper that comes together with KeyQuick?

[philj]

Yes I did...DA helper comes into the configuration menu, but it's the only DA that appears ?? No trace of DA memopad and so on...
Did you succeed in installing the other DAs ?
Thanks for your answer

[paxton]

I just wrote another reply here:
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=195499#post195499

;)

[rururu]

I have no problem to register DAs on the "side menu".

This app is must have for all TG50 users. It can remap the keyboard, and "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" feature is very useful.
Manual is hard to be understood, but this may not because of direct translation, since it's difficult even in Japanese.

Even in original setting, instead of push Shift/Blue bar/Red bar and normal keys at the same time, you can push Shift/Blue bar/Red bar and normal keys one by one. also, if you push Blue bar twice, it become "Num Lock" mode, and also you can back to normal state with any one push of shift keys.

You can also assign a key to special key conbinations, or even to "screen tap". To know the coordinates of a button in the screen, you can use "PointDisp.prc" DA, also made by Imazeki, and downloadable as free from http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~imazeki/palm/cDiv/index-e.html
It's included in "CodeDiver".

I also assign the side "REC" button to "side menu". This solves the problem of unexpected drainage of battery.

[philj]

1/ "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" normal state with any one push of shift keys.
2/ You can also assign a key to..."screen tap".

Excuse me, but you seem to have understood this !~éç0"§ manual far better than me ;-) (furthermore, neither english nor japanese is my native language :-) )
What 's the use of these two features, please ?
Thanks in advance :-)

[rururu]

Ok, I'll try to explain these things.

You can assign a key or key combination to a specific command using "Add" button at the bottom of initial screen.

In the "KeyPref" screen, you can see "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" at the bottom. This means when you are not at the imput area, for example, push lower arrow means push a combination of "Ctrl+lower arrow", as the same function as rolling jog dial.

and when you click the arrow next to "Assign", you will see several commands.
If you assign "Ctrl+BS" to "Ctrl direct tap" and enter words like "Back:Cancel:Close:Delete:End" and also assign "Ctrl+Space" to "Ctrl direct tap" and enter words like "OK:Done:View" or something, then you can just push "BS" or "Space" instead of clicking these common buttons.
If you want to click some specific button in your favorite app, you can assign "Screen tap" and enter the coodiates of that specific button.
I hope you understand this.

[rururu]

Oh, I forgot to explain another thing.
Without KeyQuick, when you put a numeral, you need to push blue bar and numeral key at the same time.
After you install KeyQuick, in the default setting, you can push blue bar, and then, numeral key (so you can use only one hand).
and also, if you push blue bar twice, it becomes "Num Lock", and even show an indicator bar if you configure this from the "UI setting" (it shows up if you push the menu button).

[jaydisc]

Wow, VERY impressed with KeyQuick. Just ditched OKey in favor of it. Took me a while to get my head around it, but now got it. Since the developer clearly can capture when you have pushed the Jog, Rec. or Back button, it would be excellent if you could program those just like any other key, rather than just being limited to using them to open the Side Menu, which along with the Launcher looks great with those semi-transparencies! Good one!

[philj]

Thanks a lot Nuru for these explanations !
As you said, this little piece of software seems to be very powerful. I'm just going to see if it doesn't interfere with my foldable keyboard KB11. If not, I will certainly register :-)
Cheers

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by rururu

Even in original setting, instead of push Shift/Blue bar/Red bar and normal keys at the same time, you can push Shift/Blue bar/Red bar and normal keys one by one. also, if you push Blue bar twice, it become "Num Lock" mode, and also you can back to normal state with any one push of shift keys.


I just can't achieve that...No way to have this "stick mode" ??? Arggghhh

[Pablo Picasso]

I'm having such a problem with this app!
It seems really neat, but I'm kinda lost. (
Few questions....
How do I make the letter L actually be a keystroke of CTRL + L.
Also, why do the audio remote buttons not respond.
I'm using a TG50...
Thanks~

[rururu]

>How do I make the letter L actually be a keystroke of CTRL + L.

Check "Priority is Ctrl out of the field"

>Also, why do the audio remote buttons not respond.

You mean "REC" button? If so, use Flexbutton.

[Pablo Picasso]

Hey rururu,
Actually the player buttons themselves, play, stop, etc..
It doesn't respond when I use it from the sidebar.
Thanks for your help though

[orol]

rururu: actually it's possible to use keyquick in the same way as keyboard driver i.e. if I press ctrl+[first letter of a button] the button is actually pressed ?
that is what I'm actually missing on OKey

[enderenya]

I prefer QLaunch for the 4 main hard keys... and for everything else I use KeyQuick

[mvfrancisco]

Originally posted by Pablo Picasso
Hey rururu,
Actually the player buttons themselves, play, stop, etc..
It doesn't respond when I use it from the sidebar.
Thanks for your help though

You have to load keyquick in a particular sequence, I'm not sure if all these steps are necessary, but if KQ is already installed, this always works for me.

Try
1) Unchecking "Audio remote control support" from the KQ System Settings
2) Disabe KQ
3) Uncheck "Enable Background Play" in Audioplayer
4) Check "Audio remote control support" from KQ
5) Enable KQ
6) Check "Enable Background Play" in Audioplayer

i think supposedly it should work now, but it usually doesn't for me, so what I do is...

7) Once more uncheck "Audio remote control support" from KQ

And then it works. Don't ask me why, but it just does. I hope this helps you out.

[Pablo Picasso]

and you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around.....

Thats funny sdhiut!

[mvfrancisco]

Originally posted by Pablo Picasso
and you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around.....

Thats funny sdhiut!

yeah :) i think it has something to do with a resource file the key quick autogenerates and then audioplayer has to load it. Usually in the middle of this process, if you check the filesystem, there's a new file called KeyQuickaudioremote something or another... and usually when it's not working, that file is gone.

[rururu]

Originally posted by orol
rururu: actually it's possible to use keyquick in the same way as keyboard driver i.e. if I press ctrl+[first letter of a button] the button is actually pressed ?
that is what I'm actually missing on OKey

orol, sorry I don't get what you mean.

[mvfrancisco]

Originally posted by rururu
In the "KeyPref" screen, you can see "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" at the bottom. This means when you are not at the imput area, for example, push lower arrow means push a combination of "Ctrl+lower arrow", as the same function as rolling jog dial.

and when you click the arrow next to "Assign", you will see several commands.
If you assign "Ctrl+BS" to "Ctrl direct tap" and enter words like "Back:Cancel:Close:Delete:End" and also assign "Ctrl+Space" to "Ctrl direct tap" and enter words like "OK:Done:View" or something, then you can just push "BS" or "Space" instead of clicking these common buttons.

Thanks for the help ruru, i just want to make sure I understand correctly what the "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" option is. Does this mean that the Ctrl Key is automatically added to the hard key if the cursor is not in a text field?

ie. if I configure "Ctrl+a" to open audio player, and enable "Priority is Ctrl out of the field", then pressing the "a" key in memo pad will work normally, but if I press the "a" key while in the launcher window or Mapopolis, then it will launch audioplayer, right? Is that all the "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" option does?

Is there anyway, that you can use this to enhance the Remote Control app?

As for orol's question, I think he may want to use Ctrl+O to select OK, or Ctrl + D to select Done, for any arbitrary button, just by using CTRL + the first letter of the button. For instance if some programmer has a Button called "Video", then pressing Ctrl+V will select that button.

[orol]

rururu: e.g. if you have buttons like [ New ] [Send & check]
if you click on ctrl+N the button [New] is pressed
and if you press ctrl+S the button [Send & Check] is activated ..

[mvfrancisco]

Have you guys mapped the AudioPlayer functions to any hard keys? I want to map the Play, Stop, FWD, RWD, Vol up and Vol down buttons, but i'm having trouble deciding which keys to map them to.

I was thinking

Space: PLAY
V: STOP
C: RWD
B: FWD
G: VOL UP
;, : VOL DOWN

So the space button is for "Play" and the other buttons are kind of like a cross centered on the V. Then when I get my sticky keys, I'll use the yellow pads for the specially mapped buttons and use the clear ones for all the rest. Does anyone else have another way of mapping them?

[rururu]

mvfrancisco,
In my understanding, "Priority is Ctrl out of the field" means exactly what you said.
I'm sorry I'm not using remote control, so I don't know this feature. As for audio player, I think using Jog Dial (Sony's default)is the best way for it.

orol,
it's not automatically assigned like that, but you can assign any key to any function using "Screen tap". However, KQ does no feature to assign different functions between different applications on the same key. (I hope Imazeki add this function like his Flexbutton)

[orol]

rururu: I know that is not automaticaly assigned in that way .. but I would love to see such a utility
heck when the palm portable keyboard can do it it must be a way for it :-)

[orol]

I was playing with keyquick but couldn't find a way how to make it like in okey => ctrl+p/n jumps from pressable key to pressable key
furthermore what does "Other combination cancel ON/OFF" in "UI Settings" do ?
I've tried set it up as On as well as On and no difference

then Scroll on PgUP/Dn => Save X pos / cursor mode ?

when defininf key: what is the CarSet ?

maybe a bi tmore Qs but I'm totaly confused with keyquick .. still stickinf with OKey

[s360clie]

furthermore what does "Other combination cancel ON/OFF" in "UI Settings" do ?

After setting this, the combination will be released/cancelled (like Ctrl) If you press another one(like Alt)............
Without this, if you have pressed ctrl and press alt later, it will directly changed to Alt , but not released

[orol]

s360clie: okey thanks

to the rest: how to simulate the OKey ability with ctrl+p / ctrl+n adn ctrl+j to select any available key on the screen ?
that is what I'm missing a lot with keyquick .. if this is in this utility I'll buy it, if not => will stick with OKey

[s360clie]

how to simulate the OKey ability with ctrl+p / ctrl+n adn ctrl+j to select any available key on the screen ?

I'm not using Okey..........but I think It can be replaced by the Control Tap function..............

[Protonus]

I have my hard buttons now mapped for use with audioplayer, thanks to the instructions found in this thread, mainly by rururu.. thanks very much, you are the man ;-)

I used the "blue function key" modifier and made my space, enter, and all arrow keys, assigned to KeyQuicks built in support for the "virtual audio support" I simply mapped each key to the function I wanted and specidifed the blue modifier... Now in any program I can hold down the blue button and hit the audio command I want and start it up :-D Works like a dream.

[s360clie]

i'm using ctrl+ p and ctrl + o for play and stop respectively
and ctrl + up/down for volume up/down
plus ctrl + left/right for fast forward/backward................
i also use alt+ tab to return to previous program......(just like that of windows), shift + tab for resent application...........tab for control tap.................

[mvfrancisco]

orol. map a key to control tap. I have CTRL + Caps Lock mapped for that. When there are selectable buttons, use the control tap and a UI element will be selected. Then you can use the arrow keys (or CTRL + Arrow keys) or the jog dial to move from button to button.

[orol]

mvfrancisco: thanks I finally got the idea how it works :-) looks promissing, I guess I don't need OKey any longer :-)

[orol]

so it works fine .. one thing I still don't understand is how to make the arrows make act as jog dial..
like on the second and third picture on the first line of this page is http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/%7Eimazeki/palm/KEYq/index-e.html
btw. in UI settings I have "scroll on PgUp/Dn => cursor move" ..
if I can simulate this "jog assistant" I don't need okey any longer
keyquick is really great app!

[orol]

btw. is there a way how to make any combination to act as "home" / "end" ? :-)

[orol]

hm found another flaw.. at least to me .. the sticky keys feature isn't good configured .. I wish there was an option like on OKey is .. the funtion key (ctrl,fn,alt ..) is "sticky" only for one press and not "4ever" ..
come to think of it, it would be nice a feature like you tap the funtion key once => the "stickyness" will be like I described above .. but if you press the funtion key twice it'll be like "caps lock" to shift is ..
if I solve how to make this 2 things working my TG50 will be a perfect pda :-) well except I wish I had a 1GB MS instead of "only" 512MB ..

[orol]

ah just found out that the "stickyness" stuff is already incoporated when I turn combination mode "stick" and other combination cancel "on"
btw. I hope that by commenting my progress in "discovering" keyquick will help someone solve problems I had :-)
now I only have to figure out how to simulate "jog dial assistant" .. but If I understand the pix on authors page right It should somehow work :-)

[mvfrancisco]

Ok... the by default when you first buy the TG-50, CTRL + K brings up a Keyboard help list. It shows the default commands built-in to the TG-50.

One of these built in commands is
CTRL + Up/Down = Same as Jog Dial Up and Down

So all you have to do to enable the up and down arrow keys is to select "CTRL out of field" for the up and down keys in KeyQuick.

If what you were trying to do was access the Menu, you'll need to assign a key to Function->System Def->Menu in Key Quick.

As far as Home/End in text fields is concerned, i think the closest thing they have is the built in CTRL + Left and CTRL + Right which selects text one word at a time.

[orol]

you can simulate it also after you hit the combination for "control tap" and then you press "m", extended mode is activated .. what was exactly what I was looking for .. it even works in the built-in SMS application, what was not the case for OKey and also original JOG dial wasn't able to move over messages
keyqyuck is great program, a really true must for every TG50 user
btw I recommand also mapping to a certain key to Function->KeyQuickExt->"recent apliacation" => it will make your clie kinda multitasking => you get list of 8 most recent used apps (like if you hit alt+tab under windows)
and also in the same menu "last appl launched" (i mapped it to shift+BS) to switch betweed too recent apps it's great function

gee I'm sooo happy I have TG50 and thanks this forum I made it my perfect PDA!

[mvfrancisco]

alright... now you've got me at a loss.

What exactly is extended mode? I see it going to extended mode, but i'm not exactly sure what the difference is.

[orol]

well: the extended mode actually compromise "browsing" across buttons and also acrros all "tapable" fields and entries .. like combining jog dial with control tap .. try e.g. activate extended mode while you are e.g. in the sms app or memo
you can jump over the entries and buttons as well

[kusumo]

Tried KeyQuick for few days. But still a bit lost with its functions.
Can anyone provide a clear explanation on its basic functionality?
Thanks.

Read thru all this thread...still a bit lost. :(

[mvfrancisco]

Kusumo, there are a couple of more threads on KeyQuick... you can also try this one:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20312

if there's anything that needs specific clarification, I'd be happy to help you out if you can describe what you want to do, or don't understand.

[kusumo]

Basically, I still bit lost with all the 4 buttons: ControlPref, MenuOpe, LauncherPref, Sidemenu. :(

I'm particularly interested to map my favorite apps to the keyboard (or the side buttons if possible), such as activating AudioPlayer, adjusting volume, fast fwd, rewind...

I could somehow succeed to map the audioplayer to Spacebar. But then, I could no more use the space bar in other apps such as Memopad,.. :(
Is there any way to set the Space bar mapped to Audio player ONLY when it is in (Z)launcher screen?

May be someone could also suggest what would be the best key mapping for TG50? (Of course first I gotta spend more time trying to understand that unfriendly interface of KeyQuick.) :(

[mvfrancisco]

The audioplayer functions are a little weird. You have to enable them in Keyquick while Background Play is disabled in Audioplayer. Then after you've enabled audioplayer support in KeyQuick you have to go and re-enable background play in Audioplayer.

Also, if you want to retain regular textfield functionality, map the extended functionality (i.e. Audioplayer functions) to the CTRL + (Key) mapping, then check on the box (CTRL out of field).

The ControlPref screen allows you to map keys to navigate UI elements using hard keyswhen Control Tap is enabled. It tells you what keys you can press to get from one button on the screen to another. The init label field is a list of Button names that will grab the focus when you first start Control Tap.

Similarly the MenuOpe Pref screen allows you to map the navigation keys for traversing menu bars. I'm not exactly sure what the CoomandBars are though :p

I'm not exactly sure what the LauncherPrefs are.

Sidemenu is pretty self-explanatory.
-Pref1 is a list of navigation options, Sidebutton is the key you use to launch the side menu. Softbold is a font preference for how you'd like to have the application names in the side menu displayed.
-Pref2 shows the mappings to launch a menu-item with a single keypress, once the side menu has been launched. The numbers are the list order from the top to bottom of the sidemenu, so if you have control tap listed at the top, pressing the key mapped to [1] would launch the control tap once you've opened the side menu.
-PgmList is the list of applications and functions to display in the sidemenu. There's a maximum number of applications that you can add, and it's dependent on the size of your screen. hires+ users can of course see more applications than regular hires users.

Hope that helped...

[snaku]

My first reply on this forum, but I've got Keyquick pretty well figured out.

Anybody still wanting to map a "home" and "end" key can do so by specifying a key and choosing function->field->field top for "home" or field bottom for "end". There are also choices for line bottom and line top for moving to the beginning or end of a single line. Since I don't really use the CapsLock anymore with KeyQuick, I've mapped single CapsLock to "end" and shift CapsLock to home. Very convenient inside WordtoGo or a long memo. Doesn't seem to work with SheettoGo, though, except for inside the current cell.

On another note, for those still using McPhling with KeyQuick (me for one), I have the Keyquick side menu mapped to a single click of the record button and the McPhling menu mapped to a long click of the record button. This basically gives you 26 menu choices with one button. Warning: this doesn't work the other way around. The Keyquick menu cannot go on top of the McPhling menu. It doesn't hurt anything you just can't access any of the Keyquick buttons.