Battery removed= soft or hard reset?

[legohead]

When the NIMH batteries in my Clie die (or if I remove them), is that equivalent to a soft reset or a hard reset?

Also, at what voltage is it recommended to charge them up again?

[vansouza]

Which one... I can remove the batteries on my NZ very easily and I think on the NX units also. So which one do you have?

[legohead]

I have a Clie SL10. As far as I know, if the batteries are removed for a minute or longer, all information would be lost. so i want to know if that is the same as doing a hard reset or a soft reset or neither?

and i also wanted to know what voltage is recommended to change my NIMH batts in the Clie SL10. thanks.

[vansouza]

If the data is lost ... then in the world of the Palm OS the is the same as a hard reset... we also have a warm reset... and a vanilla reset.. Your manual will tell you how to do each... remember to sync and backup often... if it would kill you to loose all of your data, then backup and sync VERY often...

[legohead]

Unfortunately, I think th eguy on Ebay from whom i bought my Clie didn't send me the operations manual. i didn't suspect it since i got the other manuals. will have to use internet- sony's website.

[GANZ]

If you take the batt out for to long you will loose all your info. In other words a Hard Reset :(

[Roni]

Most of devices that i've had have a special small back-up battery, to make sure battery removal (for a reasonable time) won't kill the memory, i'm not sure about clie, but even if it doesn't have one, removing batteries will kill all things in it's memory without having to wait for the few minutes... unless it has a small back-up capacitor...

the above in shortened form: I have no idea... ;)

[Don M]

Originally posted by Roni
Most of devices that i've had have a special small back-up battery, to make sure battery removal (for a reasonable time) won't kill the memory, i'm not sure about clie, but even if it doesn't have one, removing batteries will kill all things in it's memory without having to wait for the few minutes... unless it has a small back-up capacitor...

the above in shortened form: I have no idea... ;)

I'm quite sure it is a backup capacitor. That's what was always used in the Palm units with removable batteries.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by legohead
I have a Clie SL10. As far as I know, if the batteries are removed for a minute or longer, all information would be lost. so i want to know if that is the same as doing a hard reset or a soft reset or neither?

and i also wanted to know what voltage is recommended to change my NIMH batts in the Clie SL10. thanks.

A hard reset will result after power has been removed.

The battery voltage in the unit is 4.2 volts. Charging voltage is 5.2 volts.

[kp*]

I've had to unplug the battery on my NR once when it crashed so badly that it wouldn't respond to a hard reset. It erased the memory just like a hard reset, but as my Clie was already screwed up, I can't say for sure if the erasing was a result of the battery or the crash. I suspect taking out the battery wipes the memory, but I'm not going to be the one to try it out ;)

[legohead]

Yup. It's been a while since posting this thread and I can positively say that removing the batteries, at least in my SL10, does erase the memory. HOWEVER, it is only erased after a minute or so without power. It says this on the battery compartment cover... how else could you change the battery without losing everything?

Why bother with unscrewing the stylus, pressing the reset button, and pushing the power button simultaneously. All I've gotta do is remove the batteries for a minute, maybe less. Well, at least it's easy on the SL10- I don't have to unscrew anything to remove the batteries.

I REALLY do not understand why a hard reset is such a big deal. All you have to do is backup on the computer- that usually takes me around 30 seconds or less. Do some 3rd party programs lack hotsyncing ability?

[Don M]

Originally posted by legohead
I REALLY do not understand why a hard reset is such a big deal. All you have to do is backup on the computer- that usually takes me around 30 seconds or less. Do some 3rd party programs lack hotsyncing ability?

Some of the earlier versions of the Palm Desktop/hotsync software did not backup everything, but I believe that the current version does. To be safe though, I use BackupBuddy for the PC to make sure that I get a complete backup. I also use BackupBuddyVFS to backup to the Memory Stick and that is generally the way I do a full restore (from the Memory Stick) and so far, cross fingers, it has worked flawlessly each time. BackupBuddy for the PC also has an option to backup the Memory Stick, so I have a safety margin there as well. ;)

[kp*]

Originally posted by legohead
I REALLY do not understand why a hard reset is such a big deal. All you have to do is backup on the computer- that usually takes me around 30 seconds or less. Do some 3rd party programs lack hotsyncing ability?
For me it's always PDA Defense that gives me trouble after a reinstall. A couple other apps, too, that I wind up redownloading from scratch (my Audio Player skin, for one thing). MSBackup seems to be more reliable for putting everything back in place, but I don't always have a very recent backup.

[Ni+Mh]

On a NZ90 it wouldn't hard reset.But on the old Clie's?I suppose so if the unit was faulty.I mean it would give one ample time of 2 minutes before it hard resets