Memory Stick Pro Horror Restore

[Btraub]

I've just had to do a hard reset, with my backup software and all my files, on my new 256MB Memory Stick Pro. Guess What? The Pro is not recognized, until you go through the upgrade process again. That means you have to be near your computer, or you can not restore your DB files from an automated backup Program that writes to the pro, because it can not be seen.

Does anyone know how to avoid this, other than keeping an emergency b/u on a standard Memory Stick? If you upgrade, be prepared to loose as much as 800k of RAM.

[*YellowRose*]

Could you move the MemStick pro files to Flash?

[Alistar]

To be honest, and I am not trying to be mean or arrogant here, but you should have seen that coming. I mean the patch was needed to use the MS Pro in the first, why would you expect it to work without them just because you needed to restore from it?
Your only other option would be to format the MS Pro so that it is readable without the patch, there were several threads about this when the MS Pro's were out, but the patch wasn't out yet.

[JackAxe]

If you can format the MS pro so no patch is needed, then maybe it will work on older devices?

<]=)

[stronggeek]

Pack one of the older memory sticks with the updated files that you can restore in emergency situations. I rarely use the mine older ones now anyway. i think all the updates will even fit on 4m stick. I keep one in the car and one at work. Just store it somewhere until you need it.

Originally posted by Btraub
I've just had to do a hard reset, with my backup software and all my files, on my new 256MB Memory Stick Pro. Guess What? The Pro is not recognized, until you go through the upgrade process again. That means you have to be near your computer, or you can not restore your DB files from an automated backup Program that writes to the pro, because it can not be seen.

Does anyone know how to avoid this, other than keeping an emergency b/u on a standard Memory Stick? If you upgrade, be prepared to loose as much as 800k of RAM.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Could you move the MemStick pro files to Flash?

Yes, but you need to use jackflash or flashenable to see it. So the same problem exists. I have been part of other threads about this and the only solution is to keep a regular memory stick with you with all the CF driver info, patches such as MSPro and for me, clie viewer as well as flashenable... Sucks, I know:(

[Alistar]

Originally posted by JackAxe
If you can format the MS pro so no patch is needed, then maybe it will work on older devices?

<]=)

No its been tried and it doens't work.
From what I remember if you format right you can get it to read and write from the clie, but somethings don't work without actually have the patch, I believe MS Import is one. But I think you could format it so that it can be recognized without the patch in order to restore and store the Sony updates and CF driver and whatnot the you can put the patch back on and it will work normally.

[stronggeek]

Even if you reformat. the nx&nbsp;update is neccessary on an nx.&nbsp; otherwise ms import and everything works fine on the nx after reformatting. I think nz users still had the ms import problem thogh. But we don't if he's dealing with an nx, nz or tg.

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Originally posted by Alistar


No its been tried and it doens't work.
From what I remember if you format right you can get it to read and write from the clie, but somethings don't work without actually have the patch, I believe MS Import is one. But I think you could format it so that it can be recognized without the patch in order to restore and store the Sony updates and CF driver and whatnot the you can put the patch back on and it will work normally.

[JackAxe]

Oh well, I was reading the other thread where the last post mentioned that the MS Pro had been reformated as Fat 32 again.

Can you reformat the MS Pro from an NX as Fat 16?

<]=)

[timw_de]

Even if you reformat. the nx update is neccessary on an nx.

I'm running a 256Mb MSPro on my NX70 without the patch and
I haven't noticed anything not working

MSimport certainly works fine

It could be that something I'm not using doesn't work, I don't know

[stronggeek]

Yours is working without the nx update, ms pro patch and no reformat? I had to have at least the nx update and reformat or use the ms pro update. I thought it was impossible to use the ms pro without at laeast the nx update and even then I thought it would be limited. Interesting.

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Originally posted by timw_de


I'm running a 256Mb MSPro on my NX70 without the patch and
I haven't noticed anything not working

MSimport certainly works fine

It could be that something I'm not using doesn't work, I don't know

[timw_de]

format to FAT yes
but no patches or updates
(therefore nothing to restore)

[n2ifp]

Yes, I keep an extra stick with all the goodies on it. The install files for the WL100, NetFront, System Update Patch, MS Pro driver, CF Driver, Flash enable, MS Backup, and BackupMan.

[xakep666]

I am ready to purchase a pro version for my Clie NZ90. those of you that have memory stick pro, can you tell a difference between regular and pro versions? For example when you view images from your stick, can you tell the difference in speed?
Thanks,
XAKEP

[stronggeek]

My ms pro is still formatted fat with the nx update and the ms pro patch installed. I'm very tempted to try it your way.&nbsp;That was the only thing I didn't try (nx formatted fat without the update). The only reason i installed the pro patch in the first place was because&nbsp;it appeared that I couldn't get my cf to "masquerading"&nbsp;properly without it&nbsp;&nbsp;Anyone else getting there nx to recognize the ms pro(fat formatted)&nbsp;without the "nx" and ms pro updates?

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Originally posted by timw_de
format to FAT yes
but no patches or updates
(therefore nothing to restore)

[berliner]

I just had to do a hard reset last week and it went very smoothly. The only thing I didn't realize was that Backupman would not restore my WLAN100 driver. I had the MSPro driver on an extra MS. Once I transferred that file over using ClieFiles I was able to read the MSPro fine and do a complete restore. Like I said, the only file that did not restore correctly was the WLAN100 driver.

[berliner]

Originally posted by xakep666
I am ready to purchase a pro version for my Clie NZ90. those of you that have memory stick pro, can you tell a difference between regular and pro versions? For example when you view images from your stick, can you tell the difference in speed?
Thanks,
XAKEP

I'm not too sure what your question has to do with this thread, but I'll answer you anyways:

I have a Lexar 512 MB MSPro and the speed difference for me is not noticeable. I don't know how much faith you can put in benchmarking with VFSMark, but here are my results in case you are interested:

Lexar 512 MB MSPro 177
Sony Magic Gate 64 MB MS 140
Viking 256 MB CF Card 247

Keep in mind also that the CF card may have better results, but does not work flawlessly with the Movie Player, the MS cards do.

[kp*]

Originally posted by Tixx


Yes, but you need to use jackflash or flashenable to see it. So the same problem exists.
I don't have an NX, so maybe it's different, but if you use JackFlash with JackSafe, isn't the idea that you can still access your flash after a hard reset without having to restore anything?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by kp*

I don't have an NX, so maybe it's different, but if you use JackFlash with JackSafe, isn't the idea that you can still access your flash after a hard reset without having to restore anything?

You have to use Jack Enable on the NX/NZ. You can't put the MS Pro patch in Flash anyway.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Could you move the MemStick pro files to Flash?

Bad idea! Any system update that mirrors any file in ROM can't be put into flash, as it won't work. Same thing applies to the Clie Files and Clie Viewer updates.

[vansouza]

I have had to hard reset my NZ and the restore worked just fine from a 256meg mstick pro... what did I do right? Because I do not want to undo it...

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by vansouza
I have had to hard reset my NZ and the restore worked just fine from a 256meg mstick pro... what did I do right? Because I do not want to undo it...

I'd sure like to know what you did right also.

Like how'd you get it to recognize the ms pro without the nx update installed&nbsp;and that's without even mentioning the ms pro update.

Are these updates stored on flash and did yor palm somehow able to read them even though after a hard reset you shouldn't be able to until jackflash or jackenable is applied.

Perhaps you have come upon a setup that no one else has tried!

I hope it's true and find out how.

[UZI4U182]

Are the system updates restored by Hotsync?

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by UZI4U182
Are the system updates restored by Hotsync?

Not sure, but vansouza restored his unit from a 256 ms pro which is suppose to be impossible, but I hope he's stumbled upon a way to do it.

[vansouza]

Perhaps I did do the hot sync first... then restore from the stick... My reson for the hard reset was to clean out files that seem to get left behind as we delete unwanted programs... I remember being surprised that I did not have to do anything about jackflash.. and that the mstick pro worked I restored with a BBuddy program... so the hotsync might have been the key... I also backup to a regular stick in case something happens when I am not at home...

[Btraub]

Hi Guys:

It was my message that got this string going, just after the "Pro" was introduced. After my 1st hard reset, I found that none of the "Pro"related upgrades from Sony, resulted in a hard-reset-NX70, being able to recover from a "Pro." As all of you know by now, it can read a "Pro" without the driver that, it appears, gets deleted on the reset.

Regardless, I now travel with a 128MB "Emergency Restore" disc, that I intermittently do a full MS Backup to. In that way, I can first recover using the 128MB Memory Stick and then get last night's B/U, from the now readable "Pro."

The question now is, when will Sony do a Flash upgrade that makes the ability to read a "Pro" permanent.

Barry

[berliner]

You don't really need to do a full restore from the 128MB MS. All you need to do is transfer the MSPro drivers plus other updates to RAM using ClieFiles. Then do a restore from the MSPro. Worked for me.

[n2ifp]

All you need is a small stick. I keep a couple of 32MB sticks in my case.

[vansouza]

My NZ90 saw my 256 stickpro without any updated files... I needed the update for MSExport to work... but the stick was fine on its own... that has to be why the restore worked... two cents and wondering...:confused:

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by vansouza
My NZ90 saw my 256 stickpro without any updated files... I needed the update for MSExport to work... but the stick was fine on its own... that has to be why the restore worked... two cents and wondering...:confused:

Yes, on the NZ90, some were able to see the Pro Stick, but not be able to use MS Import. The question is, can it be relied upon... :cool:

[vansouza]

I have in the month of June alone done two restores from a hard reset. I was so busy being impressed that Jackflash worked flawlessly at restore that I never thought about the ProStick issue... but it did work. If it matters I am using a Lexar mem pro stick...

[Eddy]

what version of the NX70 are you using exactly? I mean like U.S. or the European version. (but you should be using the U.S. ver. since your location stated USA)
reason I bring this up is because I read about the European version of the NX70 is natively MS Pro Compatible, similiar to the case of NZ where the unit can still read off the MS Pro after a hard-reset. (the MS Pro update patch for the Euro. Ver. of NX70 were to fix things like the MSImport. etc..)
any insights? perhaps check the model extension, you know like the /V /U /J stuff... thanks! :p
I too wish to go MS Pro native, but unfortunately not, so I always carry a regular MS with me for instant recovery.

[hansschmucker]

This is one of those cases I'm glad about having invested in CF. I have a standard MS with a complete backup in my drive all the time. If I have to do a hardreset, all I have to do is restore from MS and my CF with all my data is accessible again instantly, even without HotSync.

But that's off topic. What I really wanted to say is that I don't see why sometimes people are afraid to reformat their sticks as FAT16. Remember, FAT32 was meant for 2GB+ drives (Just like NTFS). For smaller drives, ther is little to no benefit. All you might lose is MagicGate, which you can't use with the Clié anyway.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
I don't see why sometimes people are afraid to reformat their sticks as FAT16. All you might lose is MagicGate, which you can't use with the CliE anyway.
True point, actually that's what I am also trying to do, which is to format my MS Pro to one big chuck of 256MB regular Memory Stick.
It shows as FAT under WinXP & DOS, but when I inserted into my Clie it still reads as a Pro stick. & I've a Sony notebook with an MS Slot, it won't recognize the MS Pro (because my Vaio isn't MS Pro compatible), then prompts me to format, I click OK but then it says invalid media, can't perform format.
This is really funny, the reason I say this is because I was the same guy who posted the MS Pro w/o update Patch which has proven to work for many others... & now I find myself trapped. :D

[hansschmucker]

If the drive isn't compatible (as with your Vaio), all formating in the world won't help you. However with the OS5 Cilés we have working drives, just no DRIVERS for the non-standard file system.
Eddy, can you explain a little more detailed what you think is wrong?
I mean. Your MSPro works on a MSPro reader. check. Your MSPro works on the Clié with driver. check. Your MSPro works on the Clié w/o driver. check. It doesn't work on a standard (non-MSPro) MS slot. check.

What's strange about it?

P.S. About your Clié reporting MSPro. That's correct. But that's not a problem as all OS5 Cliés are MSPro compatible. They just don't have any support for this strange new MSPro file system.
The filesystem has nothing to do with the device itself. You can format a harddisk FAT16 and you can format a MS FAT16... does this means a HD and a MS are identical? I think not!

[Eddy]

- MSPro works on a MSPro reader OK
- MSPro works on the Clie with driver. OK
- MSPro works on the Clie w/o driver. NO
(*eg. after a hard-reset, then the MS Pro is not recognized)
- It doesn't work on a standard (non-MSPro) MS slot. correct

That's why I find it strange. I tried formatting it FAT32 under WinXP (using the cradle with MSImport) then my NX doesn't see the MS Pro & ask for format. When I format it with WinXP (using the cradle again) as FAT then it works with the NX (with update patch for MS Pro) but then the MS Slot on the notebook can't read it one way or the other. strange eh?
but thanks for your help. as for now, I'll just have to carry an extra MS for backup, which doesn't hurt at all. so... :p

by the way, I really like the bobble game! just tried it! :D

[hansschmucker]

Now you got me confused... I stick with CF. more predictable.

And I like pBobble too =)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Eddy
- MSPro works on a MSPro reader OK
- MSPro works on the Clie with driver. OK
- MSPro works on the Clie w/o driver. NO
(*eg. after a hard-reset, then the MS Pro is not recognized)
- It doesn't work on a standard (non-MSPro) MS slot. correct

That's why I find it strange. I tried formatting it FAT32 under WinXP (using the cradle with MSImport) then my NX doesn't see the MS Pro &amp; ask for format. When I format it with WinXP (using the cradle again) as FAT then it works with the NX (with update patch for MS Pro) but then the MS Slot on the notebook can't read it one way or the other. strange eh?
but thanks for your help. as for now, I'll just have to carry an extra MS for backup, which doesn't hurt at all. so... :p

by the way, I really like the bobble game! just tried it! :D

Easy fix for formatting, get a new Sony camera :) Seriously though, it does work, so I don't&nbsp;care&nbsp;how FATTY it is, but it works :D&nbsp;I updated both of&nbsp;my VAIO MS Pro challenged desktop and laptop by downloading the new&nbsp;drivers from Sony.

Remember, speak softly and carry a big memory stick...