AddIt Reuters vs Resco Neeews

[vovka1965]

The one thing I really like about AddIt is that it gives you these full articles from Reuter's news.. Otherwise, it is a very annoying program..

On the other hand, Resco Neeews looks very nice, but I just get these RSS feeds which are one or two sentences.. Is there a way to automatically download full article text through Neeews reader. Are there feeds which contain more text than three sentences?

I guess I don't understand the purpose of RSS feeds if you cannot pre-fetch full text..

Or maybe there is yet another program out there that will download for me full text articles?

[FerdFerd]

I monitor Reuter's news with Addit too, but I am never bothered by anything else it does. I've set its hotsync conduit permanently to do nothing. I update over Wi-Fi only when I want to, by tapping the world icon that appears at the right edge of the main screen near the top of the page. All it does is update the news and nothing else. That's all I ever use if for, and for this, it's useful.

I use Avango also, the same way. Hotsync conduits off; update over Wi-Fi when I want. Never a bother.

I can't offer advice on Resco Neeews.

[BrentDC]

@FerdFerd

Why would you keep Addit on your device, when you can just easily add the Reuters feed to AvantGo? It is just extra MB's on your device for no reason.

[FerdFerd]

Why would you keep Addit on your device, when you can just easily add the Reuters feed to AvantGo?Good question. I'll have to add the Reuters Avantgo feed and see how they compare. I have a vague recollection it doesn't cover the same areas, but it's been awhile since I checked.

Edit: Now I see that the Avantgo Reuters feed doesn't include science news, which Addit does.

[BrentDC]

Is Science really worth 2-3MB, plus the the added time of refreshing?

[FerdFerd]

Is Science really worth 2-3MB, plus the the added time of refreshing?It can be if you are especially interested in science news. :)

The Addit Reuters feed has more extensive news coverage in other dimensions also. Both Avantgo and Addit provide Top Stories. Addit has separate sections for World coverage and for Politics, which Avantgo's version lack.

It all depends on what you want, as always.

The added time to refresh is trivial to me, given that I only allow it to refresh when I tell it to.

[vovka1965]

@FerdFerd

Why would you keep Addit on your device, when you can just easily add the Reuters feed to AvantGo? It is just extra MB's on your device for no reason.
Before I try AvantGo, can you confirm one thing:
With AvantGo, do you get full stories or just the first paragraph of an article?

I would stick with Addit for the time being, but it started crashing on me when I do a wireless update. It seems to crash when there is no new update. It says "connecting to Treo Server", and then: Soft Reset!

[FerdFerd]

Yes, with Avantgo you get full stories. There are a substantial number of channels you can subscribe to, depending on your interests, so in that regard it is better than Addit. You get advertising too, the price of free service, but you can ignore it if you wish.

I also occasionally get a crash in Addit when trying to update wirelessly. I've never figured out exactly when it happens, but I've suspected a full cache as being related. I always am able to update immediately after the resulting soft reset. It's never caused a problem other than the wait for the reset.

[PinCushionQueen]

So Addit & Avantgo both give full articles? That's great!! I tried out Resco Neeews, but gave it up because just only have a couple of sentences was driving me crazy - I would want to know more but wasn't near a WiFi hot spot.

Can you recommend some good science sites for these other services FerdFerd? That's all I ever wanted to read using Neeews.

[vovka1965]

So Addit & Avantgo both give full articles? That's great!! I tried out Resco Neeews, but gave it up because just only have a couple of sentences was driving me crazy

Exactly why I also gave up on Neeews.... It looks cute and easy, but not useful...

[BrentDC]

Personally, I hated AvantGo. It was to sluggish, crashed constantly, and takes forever to update. I use a program called NewsCopier, it's free, and runs on Java, but doesn't fetch the full story either :( I'll talk to Jan at Resco, and see if a "link depth" option could be added to Neeews.

[FerdFerd]

Can you recommend some good science sites for these other services FerdFerd?With Addit, you have no choices. It's Reuters or nothing.

For Avantgo, it depends on what you want for science. The New York Times Avantgo feed has just been revised to allow you a choice of what you want, including an option for science. The Washington Post has a technology section in its feed. Otherwise, cruise the many channels on the Avantgo site to see if something is appealing to you.

[PinCushionQueen]

Personally, I hated AvantGo. It was to sluggish, crashed constantly, and takes forever to update. I use a program called NewsCopier, it's free, and runs on Java, but doesn't fetch the full story either :( I'll talk to Jan at Resco, and see if a "link depth" option could be added to Neeews.

I asked Jan about adding full length option to Neeews back when it was first released in beta testing. He in short said "No". But please feel free to try - maybe if he gets enough requests for it - he'll add it. :)

[BrentDC]

I asked Jan about adding full length option to Neeews back when it was first released in beta testing. He in short said "No". But please feel free to try - maybe if he gets enough requests for it - he'll add it. :)

I see you've been asking for this for a long time (http://www.1src.com/forums/showpost.php?p=965501&postcount=5) , but it doesn't hurt to be persistent :D

[MikeB]

I agree that the 1-2 sentence mini-summary is not very efficient even when I'm near a hotspot.

I use Neews, but tend to only use RSS feeds that have more content like Infoworld or LA Times.

The main newspaper I'd love to see is my local Austin American Statesman, however it's implementation of RSS is very poor. A little while ago I tried to use Sunrise/Plucker to download and convert the content. But the newspaper is so filled with banner and other junk that it was painful. For these reasons I don't read it anymore, although I wish I could.

[PinCushionQueen]

So does AvantGo require hotsync to update? The only install available from the website is an .exe. Anybody have the prc/pdb available - (my WINE doesn't do so well with palm executables)

[dump71]

Avantgo can update via wifi too.

[BrentDC]

Download it with Blazer, and you'll get the PalmSource installer. I talked to Jan at Resco, and the reason full stories aren't displayed is because of "Terms of Use" issues. If you read the Terms of Use for most (if not all) RSS feeds you'll see that it is understood that the End User will go to the website it read the full story. The RSS feed is just meant for the person to read the Headline and maybe a short summery of the article.

[FerdFerd]

Avantgo can update via wifi too.That's the only way I ever update it. I have the hotsync conduit set to do nothing.

[FerdFerd]

So does AvantGo require hotsync to update? The only install available from the website is an .exe. Anybody have the prc/pdb available - (my WINE doesn't do so well with palm executables)There are several files that get installed, so just having the Avantgo.prc alone probably won't do the trick for you.

[PinCushionQueen]

Download it with Blazer, and you'll get the PalmSource installer. I talked to Jan at Resco, and the reason full stories aren't displayed is because of "Terms of Use" issues. If you read the Terms of Use for most (if not all) RSS feeds you'll see that it is understood that the End User will go to the website it read the full story. The RSS feed is just meant for the person to read the Headline and maybe a short summery of the article.

Thanks for the download tip Brent - I don't know why I always forget to try downloading directly to my TX.

As for why RescoNews won't allow full pages - well the only thing I can say is then how does AvantGo get away with it?

Granted some of the RSS feeds that I have tried require a subscription (eg: Cell) because the articles are part of a professional journal, but I have 5 pages set up to give me full page articles. And the download time is not really any different from what I experienced with RN...

Anyways, Thanks for pointing out AvantGo guys!! I'm a very happy girl! :D

[BrentDC]

As for why RescoNews won't allow full pages - well the only thing I can say is then how does AvantGo get away with it?

1) They have some agreement with the news provider (money, advertising, ect., especially possible with there recommended feeds).

2)They don't care, and violate the terms of use, and hope nobody else cares.

3) You get routed to the original site anyways, that formats very much like AvantGo and never notice (I found this happens often when I'm not connected to Wifi), because it is also a web browser.

4)They don't have to obey the Terms of Use, because they qualify as an off-line web browser.

These are just some guesses, and may totally be wrong.

[thenrik]

Hi:

I'm been using Avantgo for years and all-in-all have been quite happy. Subscribing to the BBC and New York Times should give you the most science news.

The New York Times on Avantgo used to be divided into Front Page, Book Review, International and many other categories but now it's just one channel. You get World, US, Business and Technology by default but have to add other sections like Science or Arts.

In its new format, the NYT has much more content than before, always not stingy. When the obituary of the last pope appeared the NYT put a 20 page article on the Palm, really an excellent article and I thought my thumb was going to fall off paging though from the beginning to the end.

I subscribe to the paid subscription which just gives you more bandwidth but I read it every day on the way to work. My alarm goes off, I reach over and wirelessly sync Avantgo and lie down stupefied listening to National Public Radio as I try to summon the courage to get out of bed. By the time I do, I turn off my Palm and the news is waiting for my commute.

Avantgo depends on the good will of all of the media giants and has lost the Christian Science Monitor, Computerworld and others.

Palminfocenter has a channel as well, which will often pick up comments posted to articles--let's just say that they don't pull any punches when it comes to PALM inc.

You also might want to try Metacritic, movie reviews from critics in major newspapers, NYT, LA Times, Chicago Sun Times etc.

Tom

[Modnar]

Can you recommend some good science sites for these other services FerdFerd? That's all I ever wanted to read using Neeews.
Here is the bbc news science RSS feed

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/sci/tech/rss.xml

OR check out other bbc news feeds..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/3223484.stm

[new2palm]

I think Addit is officially dead for news now. I was holding off on Avantgo because I'm lazy but now I have no choice!! HAHA!

[vovka1965]

I think Addit is officially dead for news now. I was holding off on Avantgo because I'm lazy but now I have no choice!! HAHA!
Just started using AvantGo myself and it is not bad at all as long as you keep the number of channels small.. Looks like AddIt a lot , but does update all the time! yeah!