Agendus - the Ultimate Solution

[Zano2004]

The solution to all those bugs and resets caused by the latest and "greatest" Agendus is to delete it from your device and use the built-in PIM applications. Boy, talk about fast reaction times. Who needs the trip feature and similar toys that were dreamed-up more as a cash cow than anything else? Memo will do a fine job of planning a trip. :D I saved myself $10 and was able to buy the SplashID upgrade, which actually worked without resetting my device.

[wellsjs]

Great! If that suites you, go for it. I personally like Agendus very much and find it a joy. It makes keeping up with appointments, tasks, and contacts very enjoyable. If I were only allowed to add one application to my Treo smartphone, Agendus would be the one, hands down. ;) :)

[Zano2004]

John;

So how are things over at censorship central, the iambic forum? They sure must be desparate to censor what I've been saying. They couldn't even do that right. They gave me access to all the fun stuff in the Lounge for several hours. Had I not spilled the beans, I'd still be looking around. Interesting reading. :eek: :eek:

p.s. Life just isn't as complicated as Agendus makes it. Agendus makes mountains out of molehills. Beware of the addiction of technology.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Zano2004, do you mean by your second post above that Agendus is a complicated app?

I have never thought of it as so, Always thought of DateBK as the complicated one of the two.

Have had the occasional hiccup with updating the weather and stuff and backgrounds in landscape are distorted but nothing to slam the app or the company.

Of course this is just my experience and in no way to diminish issues you and others have had.

I do think this thread is a waste of time and space as it is just another in what seams an endless amount of threads slamming Agendus and inflaming users on both sides of this argument.

As for issues with the forum at Iambic, if you behave, in what the mods deem inappropriate, I guess they ban you.

If you behave badly here, you get booted also or at a restaurant, they ask you to leave.

Sorry for going on here but this thread is really distasteful as it is just a cheap shot with no real reason other than you want to rant.

David

[bobbd]

I was a long time Action Names/Agendus user, and while I didn't like having to wait for two or more point releases to get something stable, I really liked the product. But after getting a Treo 680 and finding Agendus 10 and 11 way too slow, not only with loading but from screen to screen (seconds), I re-evaluated what I needed.

I ended up going to DateBk6 and after working through all the options, got it doing what I needed. And it's fast. Takes half the time to load as Agendus and screen to screen is almost instantaneous. Pimlico does point releases that have significant functionality that are free upgrades to existing customers. The service and responsiveness is great (and that's not a criticism or comparison to Iambic, just a statement about Pimlico).

IMHO, the two applications have diverged in their focus. Agendus is trying to do more and more in handling all four main functions and adding other capabailities such as weather, while DateBk is more tightly focused on events (appointments/calendar and tasks/todos). I do miss Agendus' contact management but I don't need it that badly or as much as Agendus provides. If you need Agendus' functionality and don't mind its performance, it's a great product. But I didn't and did.

Just my experience and needs of course.

Bob

[wellsjs]

Bob,

Your assessment is a fair one as you state, based on v10 and 11. Not trying to get you to change back from DateBk to Agendus, but v12 solves the performance issue that plagued the previous several releases. V12 removes the rant about performance!

[wellsjs]

Zano,

The only reason I can think of that would prompt you to continue to take these "cheap shots" is you somehow feel the need for vindication from your dismissal from the iFTM. Whether or not it was warranted is a moot point. It is such ancient history at this point that you really should get over it and find a new hobby! :p :D

[Zano2004]

As I said, I took the cure. I finally realized nothing is going to change and it sure isn't worth it. By the way, my shots weren't cheap. Iambic and Agendus are exactly as I have said and they earned each and every shot good or bad.

[Zano2004]

I was a long time Action Names/Agendus user, and while I didn't like having to wait for two or more point releases to get something stable, I really liked the product. But after getting a Treo 680 and finding Agendus 10 and 11 way too slow, not only with loading but from screen to screen (seconds), I re-evaluated what I needed.

I ended up going to DateBk6 and after working through all the options, got it doing what I needed. And it's fast. Takes half the time to load as Agendus and screen to screen is almost instantaneous. Pimlico does point releases that have significant functionality that are free upgrades to existing customers. The service and responsiveness is great (and that's not a criticism or comparison to Iambic, just a statement about Pimlico).

IMHO, the two applications have diverged in their focus. Agendus is trying to do more and more in handling all four main functions and adding other capabailities such as weather, while DateBk is more tightly focused on events (appointments/calendar and tasks/todos). I do miss Agendus' contact management but I don't need it that badly or as much as Agendus provides. If you need Agendus' functionality and don't mind its performance, it's a great product. But I didn't and did.

Just my experience and needs of course.

BobNicely put Bob. I think I tried DateBk way back when and I may try it again.

Although you carefully said you were not criticizing iambic or Agendus, you were. But that is okay. It is okay to criticize. Iambic and their Team members just have thin skins and want to gloss over the truth about the performance of Agendus because it will help business.

[wellsjs]

Iambic and their Team members just have thin skins and want to gloss over the truth about the performance of Agendus because it will help business.This team member just happens to disagree with you Zano. When you or anyone else makes a statement that I have a strong opinion about and particularly if I feel that statement is in error, I will speak up. I guess you call that "thin skin?" :rolleyes:

FWIW, most iFTM volunteer to do what they do because they enjoy helping people with their Agendus issues. You "turned colors" on all of us when you were dismissed. So Zan got dismissed by management. Zan started bad-mouthing management and all of iFTM. Not exactly how to win friends and influence people. :eek: If you read some negative remarks about yourself in the team lounge, that would be the reason why! ;)

[Zano2004]

This team member just happens to disagree with you Zano. When you or anyone else makes a statement that I have a strong opinion about and particularly if I feel that statement is in error, I will speak up. I guess you call that "thin skin?" :rolleyes:

FWIW, most iFTM volunteer to do what they do because they enjoy helping people with their Agendus issues. You "turned colors" on all of us when you were dismissed. So Zan got dismissed by management. Zan started bad-mouthing management and all of iFTM. Not exactly how to win friends and influence people. :eek: If you read some negative remarks about yourself in the team lounge, that would be the reason why! ;)No, you guys do it for the money you are paid and the free software. And, you probably get paid more than most because of your working support. When I was a member of the team and on the payroll, I held my tounge too. I remember your hoping for a full time gig with them right after your becoming a Team member (with my recommendation, among others). I never had any such asperations..........

So your point of view is tainted.

[wellsjs]

No, you guys do it for the money you are paid and the free software. And, you probably get paid more than most because of your working support. When I was a member of the team and on the payroll, I held my tounge too. I remember your hoping for a full time gig with them right after your becoming a Team member (with my recommendation, among others). I never had any such asperations..........

So your point of view is tainted.Your knowledge of my "point of view" is what is tainted. I haven't been paid a dime from iambic in months. I was approached about a "full time gig" but never seriously considered it nor desired it. The money iFTMers are paid is not enough to "do it for the money!" Come on Zan, you know that full well! Between what iFTMers do get (software included), you cannot make a case for us/them "doing it for the money." I stand my ground . . . we do it because we like helping others. Maybe that wasn't the case with you, but don't try to make us out to be the bad guys.

[bdhu2001]

Wow!! You guys are going at it. I have Agendus and have never used it to it's potential. My job uses Groupwise, thus, Agendus is just for personal appointments and contacts. It's nice to go to one place for all of it.

However, I just purchase 2day so I'll pop over to the Agendus forum to determine if I can easily get additional use or purpose from Agendus. 2day opens up Agendus or any other contact app that you use. Agendus gives me the search feature for my contacts, but it takes up quite a bit of memory for that feature (if I don't use it for other benefits).

[Zano2004]

Your knowledge of my "point of view" is what is tainted. I haven't been paid a dime from iambic in months. I was approached about a "full time gig" but never seriously considered it nor desired it. The money iFTMers are paid is not enough to "do it for the money!" Come on Zan, you know that full well! Between what iFTMers do get (software included), you cannot make a case for us/them "doing it for the money." I stand my ground . . . we do it because we like helping others. Maybe that wasn't the case with you, but don't try to make us out to be the bad guys.You and your team are doing exactly what you accuse me of. So it's okay when you do it, but not when I do the same? $100.00 a month minimum is a lot of money to some people. Add in all the free software, that has value..... The only thing I've been after is for iambic to stop knowingly releasing buggy software. Big difference.

[wellsjs]

You and your team are doing exactly what you accuse me of. So it's okay when you do it, but not when I do the same?That doesn't make any sense . . . and what did I accuse you of? You're the one doing all the accusing. End of discussion on my part, Zan.

[Zano2004]

That doesn't make any sense . . . and what did I accuse you of? You're the one doing all the accusing. End of discussion on my part, Zan.Sure it does. Think about it John.

[starbuckk]

It appears from reading this thread that the originator is one with an axe to grind against iambic, rather than constructive input to offer about software. Seems to me this thread needs to be ended.

[Zano2004]

It appears from reading this thread that the originator is one with an axe to grind against iambic, rather than constructive input to offer about software. Seems to me this thread needs to be ended.Okay by me. But, the "ultimate solution" is a real answer to the Agendus problem that many others have. I can not be the only one who has no use for all the "features" of Agendus.

[bdhu2001]

Original posted by Zano2004:
Okay by me. But, the "ultimate solution" is a real answer to the Agendus problem that many others have. I can not be the only one who has no use for all the "features" of Agendus.

People don't disagree. I've never used ZLauncher, Agendus, Butler and who knows how many other programs to their full potential. However, I don't blame the program simply because I don't use, need, or figure out how to use the product to the fullest.

Someone wants the bells and whistles which is why the product rolled out the way it did. Overtime, I discover new things that I can do with my previously purchased programs: remote lock with Butler, watch TV on my Treo with Kinoma & Orb, Move Agendus to the card with Zlauncher. Whenever, I discover this new aspect, it's simply a pleasant surprise. I try to discover it before I buy another program for the new use.

I'm always tempted to dump Zlauncher, but I hang onto it.

[Zano2004]

People don't disagree. I've never used ZLauncher, Agendus, Butler and who knows how many other programs to their full potential. However, I don't blame the program simply because I don't use, need, or figure out how to use the product to the fullest.

Someone wants the bells and whistles which is why the product rolled out the way it did. Overtime, I discover new things that I can do with my previously purchased programs: remote lock with Butler, watch TV on my Treo with Kinoma & Orb, Move Agendus to the card with Zlauncher. Whenever, I discover this new aspect, it's simply a pleasant surprise. I try to discover it before I buy another program for the new use.

I'm always tempted to dump Zlauncher, but I hang onto it.For the longest time I used XLauncher, but finally dumped it. I must be getting old because I find myself trying to simplify my use of technology more and more. Software on PCs is also getting so bloated with stuff I don't need.

It has been so long since I have used the built-in apps of my Tx, I had forgotten how fast and simple they are.

[starbuckk]

For the longest time I used XLauncher, but finally dumped it. I must be getting old because I find myself trying to simplify my use of technology more and more. Software on PCs is also getting so bloated with stuff I don't need.

It has been so long since I have used the built-in apps of my Tx, I had forgotten how fast and simple they are.

Ah thats more like it :D

You make an interesting point..does the term "bloatware" mean anything to you? I've heard that most people tend to use something like less than half of the features of most given packages (I can't quote exact stats on this..to far back in the dead brain cells).

Of course, being a gadget freak myself, I gotta have every bell and whistle I can find. But then I like to make these computers "earn their keep". I work em to death.

The creator of the "Getting Things Done" method of personal organizing in fact agrees with you. He indicated in his book that he uses a Palm..and has NO extensions for the delivered applications. Just the basic calendar, to do, contacts and memos. Sorry I'm too much of a geek to be that simple :D :D

[Zano2004]

Ah thats more like it :D

You make an interesting point..does the term "bloatware" mean anything to you? I've heard that most people tend to use something like less than half of the features of most given packages (I can't quote exact stats on this..to far back in the dead brain cells).

Of course, being a gadget freak myself, I gotta have every bell and whistle I can find. But then I like to make these computers "earn their keep". I work em to death.

The creator of the "Getting Things Done" method of personal organizing in fact agrees with you. He indicated in his book that he uses a Palm..and has NO extensions for the delivered applications. Just the basic calendar, to do, contacts and memos. Sorry I'm too much of a geek to be that simple :D :DI've been "computing" since 1979. I was a very early adopter of AutoCAD, which has become the standard in my profession. AutoCAD used to be sweet. One could customize the hell out of it. Then the "bloatware" thing happened and it grew way too big when it became a "Desktop". And, talk about new harware..... boy I've spent a fortune on PCs, printers, plotters scanners and such.

Getting things done is where I'm at. Actual productivity, not dreamed productivity. Not that this is you, but some people use dreamed productivity as an excuse to buy the latest toy. I used to do that very thing. I got something out of it, but not as much as I spent on the new toys.

I saw somewhere recently that head shrinkers are actually thinking that tech toys is a psychological disorder, an addiction. I think they are right. If one isn't careful, technology will victomize people. Technology is a tool not a sex partner....... :D

[bobbd]

Bob,

Your assessment is a fair one as you state, based on v10 and 11. Not trying to get you to change back from DateBk to Agendus, but v12 solves the performance issue that plagued the previous several releases. V12 removes the rant about performance!
Boy, had to read through a whole bunch of stuff before the thread went back to the technical issues.

I may try V12 at some point, but having switched once, I don't know that I want to switch again unless there's another compelling reason. And of course that's what happens with software, or any consumer product, once you have an issue and switch, you're loath to try it again if you're happy with the replacement.

Bob

[Eeitti-Ooitti]

Hi All,

Actaully, I was reluctant to post here as I felt this thread is going nowhere and after all, this is my first post here.

Eventually, however, I felt like sharing some of my thoughts here.

I guess the discussion about "bloated" software versus simple, small software titles that offer only basic functionality is as old as Computer software itself.
Everyone has to decide which is right for him.
If I went back to the basic PIM apps, I would desparately miss Icons, Drag-And-Drop functionality, Small fonts, the Week Grid View, Power Search, day colors, Templates, Beam View Capability...that's just to name a few.
I for one find the PalmOS Calendar quite cumbersome to use while others are happy with it. If you're among the latters, that's ok for you, for me and for everyone, so everybody's happy... :D

But I just *have* to agree with John about the performance improvement: v12 IS considerably faster than 10 & 11 were.
I really don't feel the need to convince you to use Agendus again but I think it had to be said (or rather: confirmed as it already has been said... :D).

But most important, I want to clarify what being an iFTM is all about for me: It's a lot of fun, it's because I enjoy helping others with their issues (and I feel I CAN help), it's because it feels good to be part of a team and to be able to contribute and last but not least it's very rewanding to have an impact on how the product looks/works.
If it had been for the money and / or free software...well, there are easier ways to earn $100,- per month.
As for the free software...well, let me see...I am using Agendus For Palm OS and Agendus For Windows...so my iFTM status earns me $19,90 about every YEAR (which would make about $1,66 per month...depending on the release intervals :D:D:D).
The statement we'd be doing it for the money is simply ridiculous to say the least (sorry for the offending tone but I can't think of any other word).
I can definitely say this about myself and am quite convinced about the other iFTM's.
In fact, due to some personal changes, I haven't been able to contribute enough to qualify for the money, so I've been doing it for free (at least money-wise) for at least half a year now.
I have considered to leave the team more than once over the past year because I felt I didn't contribute enough but then again I decided to stay because I like doing it and because of the fun.
I can remember the fun we had together with you, Zan, when you were still part of the team and the way things developed made me quite sad but we all have to put up with it.

Well, I think that's all for now. I don't want this discussion to go on forever but there were a few things I felt had to be said which is what I did.
I feel better now... :D

Cheers.

Christian

[Zano2004]

most iFTM volunteer to do what they do because they enjoy helping people with their Agendus issues. Christian;
"Volunteer" implies doing it purely out of the goodness of one's heart. This is a false picture. Team members are paid, which is different. John accused me of bad mouthing iambic because I was dismissed, which is false. I speak out now because I am no longer a team member. Being a paid member made me feel that I shouldn't speak out publicly. You should remember that I was saying the same things about software being released when bugs where known to exist while I was still a team member. Search the Lounge posts, if they haven't been censored already. I seem to remember other team members saying the same thing in the Lounge, but they are publicly silent about that issue.

The fact is that I was on my way out before Adriano fired me. Why? Because of my disgust with him and iambic for deliberately releasing software with bugs. That was and is wrong in my opinion, but I guess it's okay in your opinion as well as John and the other team members. This is where we follow different paths. It may be one thing for this to be done as a one time mistake, but it is entirely different when it is a habit that is alive and well to this day. I tired to change things from inside the team and I've tried to change things from the outside.

It's interesting that when I speak out over here, the iambic team finds it necessary to come over here to personally attack me and make false claims about why I am saying what I say. iambic and the team sure must be desparate to even respond to anything I say. Why? Is the truth hurting?

[pixelpainter]

Everyone has their idea of what is the ideal application. I , like Zano, have found my productivity hampered by larger, do everything apps. I used Agendus/Datebk both. I don't use either now. I painfully upgraded Agendus up to V10 when all the performance problems started and gave up. (Not my fault the software was sluggish). Now that 12 is out and they seem to have "fixed" the speed problem I am intrigued again. BUT!! Since, I've skipped two releases, my upgrade fee is 19.99. I was going to upgrade, just for the fact that I could and have always upgraded worthy products. But not this time.

[Zano2004]

Everyone has their idea of what is the ideal application. I , like Zano, have found my productivity hampered by larger, do everything apps. I used Agendus/Datebk both. I don't use either now. I painfully upgraded Agendus up to V10 when all the performance problems started and gave up. (Not my fault the software was sluggish). Now that 12 is out and they seem to have "fixed" the speed problem I am intrigued again. BUT!! Since, I've skipped two releases, my upgrade fee is 19.99. I was going to upgrade, just for the fact that I could and have always upgraded worthy products. But not this time.Ah, the original thought behind my starting this thread. Iambic types keep trying to hijack the thread to silence the "traitor"......:rolleyes:

Thanks Pixelpainter. I haven't tried 12. In fact all imabic product has been removed from my devices and PC. The bloat and bugs for new nonsense features just isn't worth it. Some folks love the pain and some folks don't.

[pixelpainter]

Here is an interesting sidebar. Topstory and Splashnews are essentially the same RSS program. However, when I install TopStory, my PDA resets, When I install SplashNews, it doesn't. hmmm Since both are free, which one would you buy?

[Zano2004]

Here is an interesting sidebar. Topstory and Splashnews are essentially the same RSS program. However, when I install TopStory, my PDA resets, When I install SplashNews, it doesn't. hmmm Since both are free, which one would you buy?Neither of course......:D Life was not intended to be split second break neck speed. Nothing is that important. So go low stress. There are already enough things in life causing stress, why add insult to injury?

[BrentDC]

SplashNews and TopStory are Smaato News with there own advertisements, and GUI. They are essentially the same thing, and if one resets your device, it's a 99.99% chance of it being the Smaato core, so I don't really think it's an Iambic problem IMO.

[Zano2004]

SplashNews and TopStory are Smaato News with there own advertisements, and GUI. They are essentially the same thing, and if one resets your device, it's a 99.99% chance of it being the Smaato core, so I don't really think it's an Iambic problem IMO.I wasn't aware anyone was blaiming Agendus....... certainly not me since I don't have any of them. :D

[BrentDC]

The only reason somebody would point this out in this thread is to somehow say that the crashes are Iambic's fault. I was just pointing out it's probable a Smaato problem. BTW I also like the Builtin PIM's, and I've tried Agendus and DBK6 ect. but after a few days of use, went back to the good ole PIM's :D

[Zano2004]

The only reason somebody would point this out in this thread is to somehow say that the crashes are Iambic's fault. I was just pointing out it's probable a Smaato problem. BTW I also like the Builtin PIM's, and I've tried Agendus and DBK6 ect. but after a few days of use, went back to the good ole PIM's :DI had tried DBK5 I guess it was and didn't like it. I liked Agendus back then, but there are other contacts management apps that work better than Agendus does. Once upon a time I blaimed Agendus for mystery resets, but it turned out to be ClipPro. The only resets I'm aware of being casued by Agendus is Agendus itself, but that is hearsay now........ :D I wasn't having reset problems with Agendus 11.1 when I deleted it. I was having bloat problems and I got tied of waiting for iambic to grow-up. I am still amazed with how fast Contacts pops up. After all the abuse by Agendus, I had forgotten. Live and learn. :D

[BrentDC]

ClipPro ClipPro, you'll love the functionality, but it will reset your device constantly, where you won't expect it to, so you'll be scratching your head till you figure that ClipPro's the problem.

[Zano2004]

ClipPro ClipPro, you'll love the functionality, but it will reset your device constantly, where you won't expect it to, so you'll be scratching your head till you figure that ClipPro's the problem.Yep, I wish they would fix that one. It took a long process of elimination to pin that one down. I reported it but never heard a word and haven't seen an update.
:(

[BrentDC]

Are you familiar with Spell5? I wish there was an application that had ClipPro's startup trigger (selecting text), and functionality, on top of a Spell5 like spellcheck. All you would have to do is drag your stylus to select some text, a popup would appear to copy/paste/cut/spellcheck/Delete/capitalize first word/capitalize/lowercase. Would that not be awesome?

[Zano2004]

Are you familiar with Spell5? I wish there was an application that had ClipPro's startup trigger (selecting text), and functionality, on top of a Spell5 like spellcheck. All you would have to do is drag your stylus to select some text, a popup would appear to copy/paste/cut/spellcheck/Delete/capitalize first word/capitalize/lowercase. Would that not be awesome?I'm not familar with Spell 5, but there used to be a spell check app that worked like that. OS5 I guess it was killed that one. I haven't seen anything since. I do use MSDict that has a copy look-up feature, but I usually just fire-up MSDict to check a word.

[BrentDC]

Accessorizer+Spell5 is really great, as I don't have to exit the app to check the spelling. Spell5 is a little-known application that will automatically paste from the clipboad on startup, and copy to the clipboard on exit. Between those two events, you can check the spelling of the copied material, create private word lists, and even backup the clipboad to a database so if your device resets you won't lose your work. Best of all it's 100% free :D

[Zano2004]

Accessorizer+Spell5 is really great, as I don't have to exit the app to check the spelling. Spell5 is a little-known application that will automatically paste from the clipboad on startup, and copy to the clipboard on exit. Between those two events, you can check the spelling of the copied material, create private word lists, and even backup the clipboad to a database so if your device resets you won't lose your work. Best of all it's 100% free :DHey, that sounds sweet. Thanks! both can be had at PalmGear?

[BrentDC]

You can't download Spell5 from PalmGear anymore, but you can here http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Word-Processing-Text-Tools/Spell5-40338.shtml

Also Accessorizer can be found in the "Freeware Section" on this site. If you find the Builtin PalmOS clipboard to small, Spell5 is also compatible with CutPaste5 (made by the same developer).

[Zano2004]

You can't download Spell5 from PalmGear anymore, but you can here http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Word-Processing-Text-Tools/Spell5-40338.shtml

Also Accessorizer can be found in the "Freeware Section" on this site. If you find the Builtin PalmOS clipboard to small, Spell5 is also compatible with CutPaste5 (made by the same developer).Many thanks, I'll check them out. :D

[antoinepierre]

... All you would have to do is drag your stylus to select some text, a popup would appear to copy/paste/cut/Delete/. Would that not be awesome?FDAL is made for you. You can, even, launch some DAs.

http://www.muchy.com/review/fdal.html

[bdhu2001]

Originally posted by antoinepierre:
FDAL is made for you. You can, even, launch some DAs.

What does Lclip do? It's one of the ones that I got from your original DA page. Are there new ones that you'd recommend now. Some of the ones on your previous page are no longer available. Is there a DA like spell5 is turning Spell5 into a DA the only thing we can do? I already have a DA dictionary so I haven't made the leap to Spell5 yet.

[antoinepierre]

LclipDA gives you 10 clipboards.

FDAL gives you 8 clipboards + cut/copy/paste, launch some DAs, go to top, go to end, etc ...
FDAL is NOT a DA.

Which DA do you miss ?

If you want to turn Spell5 into a DA, you can try accessorizer.

My favorite DAs ? Well, I don't know. May be, teikeiDA, callookupDA, weekDA, coolDAs, localfindDA and FindtagDA.
DAs are more than just a pseudo multi-tasking.

[BrentDC]

@antoinepierre

Thanks for the heads up, I just DL it and will check it out later, what would I do without Google Translate...:D

[braj]

I really wish Agendus would take care of their stability issues, I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum the Zano. While I agree they have quality issues, I really find the integration of all the PIM stuff very helpful and use most of the features. I want all my info on my device to be integrated and accessible from the same location. But Agendus just stalled on my after editing a meeting, like it hadn't frozen but slowed to a crawl. I had to reset the device regardless. In a business setting even if it doesn't fail that often, it is still a big question mark whether I'll be able to enter an appointment successfully. I've learned to avoid doing any editing in Contacts and use the phone app on my Treo to create and edit contacts. Last thing I want to do is explain to a client that I need to have them wait a minute while my Treo reboots so I can get their number again. Often things go on paper first before they make it into Agendus.

[starbuckk]

The biggest missing link in Agendus is the serious lag behind of the desktop application. The PDA side is great. But the desktop side continues to lag behind in the features. When they add new bells and whistles to the PDA, the same ones need to be added in the desktop. Like the trip wizard for example.
The desktop app remains hopelessly stuck in outmoded interface styles and lacks features such as dynamic toolbars that are becoming common on modern Windows applications. Come on guys/gals..its time for an overhaul!

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Question here.

There are a LOT of threads here with lots of complaints about agendus, how many of these issues are brought up on the Iambic forums?

Not saying this should not be discussed here but issues also need to be addressed to Iambic thru the forum or email.

To expect issues to be resolved here instead of direct contact with Iambic is not very productive.

Zano2004, you come off as rather bitter with an axe to grind with Iambic for issues that are probably better left private, I would think.

As for Iambic trying to silence you here, The only representative I remember seeing in this thread was Wellsjs and I have always seen his posts as reflections of his opinions and not as a corporate shill of iambic.

I would say that you need to let go of this but you seem to be feeding on your anger and appear to thrive on it.

Apologies for being blunt and offtopic.

David

Btw, Lots of users here are happy users of Agendus also.

[braj]

Hi,

Question here.

There are a LOT of threads here with lots of complaints about agendus, how many of these issues are brought up on the Iambic forums?



Zano is/was a regular poster on Iambic's forums.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

My point was that other users, with issues, should take a more direct way with Iambic to get these resolved.

Now, discussing issues here is good to see if things are user related or has more to do with the app but expecting things to be resolved here is not reasonable.

The issues with the Agendus app discussed in this thread are not new and have been discussed many times here but how many times have users taken these issues to the Iambic forum or emailed them to address these problems.

I know Zano2004 was or is a regular poster at Iambic, he has made sure to let people know he was part of the team.

Many times so.

David

[Zano2004]

Zano is/was a regular poster on Iambic's forums."Was" is more appropriate at this point.

Anyone interested in the Agendus problems should spend some time exploring the iambic forum. I think you will find that there are many who share my views on Agendus.

p.s. I guess I should add that iambic has taken to censorship of negative comments recently. So who knows what you'll find over there.

[Zano2004]

Hi,

My point was that other users, with issues, should take a more direct way with Iambic to get these resolved.

Now, discussing issues here is good to see if things are user related or has more to do with the app but expecting things to be resolved here is not reasonable.

The issues with the Agendus app discussed in this thread are not new and have been discussed many times here but how many times have users taken these issues to the Iambic forum or emailed them to address these problems.

I know Zano2004 was or is a regular poster at Iambic, he has made sure to let people know he was part of the team.

Many times so.

Davidblah, blah, blah....

p.s. blah, blah, blah.........

[braj]

Bottom line: you have to pay to get issues fixed with Agendus. New versions introduce new quality issues and don't necessarily fix old ones. If you can live with that and really want to use Agendus' features (as opposed to just having a fancier UI), then be prepared for the bugs. But don't let anyone tell you it is stable or that its stability is just like every other software product out there, because from my experience Agendus has had and appears to still have more quality issues than average, and not marginally but by far. To Agendus' credit I use it despite these issues. Most other software I immediately uninstall after the second crash. I just wish Iambic could get most of the quality issues out of the way so we could stop having these sorts of discussions, and instead be discussing features instead of stability. That would be really nice.

[Zano2004]

Bottom line: you have to pay to get issues fixed with Agendus. New versions introduce new quality issues and don't necessarily fix old ones. If you can live with that and really want to use Agendus' features (as opposed to just having a fancier UI), then be prepared for the bugs. But don't let anyone tell you it is stable or that its stability is just like every other software product out there, because from my experience Agendus has had and appears to still have more quality issues than average, and not marginally but by far. To Agendus' credit I use it despite these issues. Most other software I immediately uninstall after the second crash. I just wish Iambic could get most of the quality issues out of the way so we could stop having these sorts of discussions, and instead be discussing features instead of stability. That would be really nice.I think you have presented a accurate picture of the way it is. Myself, I'm just tired of the entire mess. In my opinion, all the new features they have and continue to add have ruined a good thing. The new features are worthless and only add more bugs. I had hoped they would change for the better, but it is clear that the needed changes will never happen.

[braj]

I think you have presented a accurate picture of the way it is. Myself, I'm just tired of the entire mess. In my opinion, all the new features they have and continue to add have ruined a good thing. The new features are worthless and only add more bugs. I had hoped they would change for the better, but it is clear that the needed changes will never happen.

Yeah, if they fixed the major bugs in existing versions before releasing new ones, then this would be much better and people would buy new versions (or not) based on features, not fixes. They would have good reputation from this sort of policy. That subscription model they moved to a while back I think really poisoned the waters and made it a must that they release new versions regularly. I would rather they made Agendus rock solid and create new apps for me to buy instead. I'd much rather give them $20 a year for a new app than $10 for a bug fix and a couple marginally good new features. The Trips and Projects for example could have been made as a much more complete separate app that integrated with Agendus, and then Agendus could have been made as solid as you can do on the Palm platform. There are also lots of things they could do to modernize the app like get rid of their image handling in favor of the Palm OS one, then Contacts could share the same DB instead of having to have them in Iambic's buggy format (which is incompatible with the native PIM DB, breaking part of Agendus' main reason for existing IMO)

[Zano2004]

Yeah, if they fixed the major bugs in existing versions before releasing new ones, then this would be much better and people would buy new versions (or not) based on features, not fixes. They would have good reputation from this sort of policy. That subscription model they moved to a while back I think really poisoned the waters and made it a must that they release new versions regularly. I would rather they made Agendus rock solid and create new apps for me to buy instead. I'd much rather give them $20 a year for a new app than $10 for a bug fix and a couple marginally good new features. The Trips and Projects for example could have been made as a much more complete separate app that integrated with Agendus, and then Agendus could have been made as solid as you can do on the Palm platform. There are also lots of things they could do to modernize the app like get rid of their image handling in favor of the Palm OS one, then Contacts could share the same DB instead of having to have them in Iambic's buggy format (which is incompatible with the native PIM DB, breaking part of Agendus' main reason for existing IMO)They should have a core that is Agendus and then all these new features should be add-on apps that are paid for separately. The management of iambic does not listen to good ideas. They are locked into the cash flow thing and they take the simplest path thay can find to release something new and charge a upgrade fee.

[juggernaut#2]

They are locked into the cash flow thing and they take the simplest path thay can find to release something new and charge a upgrade fee.
This is - together with the lack of stability, the lack of promised features and the feeling that you pay mainly for bugfixes - the very reason I decided to stay away from iambic. Esp. because whatever is announced to be new does not even work in the first two, three versions.

Come on, who has ever seen an app being at V.12 within a few years?