1src Forums - Has anyone else tried TX Linux recently?

andwewillbether

07-04-2007, 11:52 PM

I decided to try out linux on my T|X since I've been using the treo and ipod for everything the T|X used to do. Well, I must say, I am very impressed with what I'm seeing now compared to when I tried it on the Tungsten E a long time ago. I'm bouncing between two releases, one that is fast but can't turn off, and another that is slower but works fine. The multitasking is actually kinda cool. I'm just messing around with them still but I'm defiantly leaning towards keeping the T|X a linux machine since I have the treo.

So has anyone else tried this recently?

dmitrygr

07-05-2007, 01:31 AM

keeping tx a linux machine is a foolish idea. palm linux port is extremely incomplete. No wifi, very flaky BT, no power management (read overcharge and explode lithium batteries possibly).

andwewillbether

07-05-2007, 01:42 AM

Ouch, yeah I'm very aware of the limitations. But MY tx was always laying around discharging slowly since I'd rather use a laptop or the treo/ipod. To me the T|X was always a device that didn't have a home/purpose. My favorite palm device to this date was my m100. I would love a modern V but it's just not going to happen. With that being said It's worth the novelty of having a Linux device that size. Plus I have my palm os fix on my treo which has always been more usefull to me than the TX ;-)

phreakonaleash

07-05-2007, 10:33 AM

I must agree with Dmitry. Palm Linux just isn't worth hastle and the sd-card-memory-take-up-space-ness... Heck last I tried it, it was impossible to so much as power down the device. If you want a more complete Linux the Zire72 and it's Linux, which, iirc is far far far farther along than T|X's...
Else, wait for 'PalmOS II'... At this point, it may just be easier to wait for OS II if you want a Linux palm. or get a zaurus...

andwewillbether

07-05-2007, 03:07 PM

...Heck last I tried it, it was impossible to so much as power down the device...
...If you want a more complete Linux the Zire72 and it's Linux, which, iirc is far far far farther along than T|X's...
Else, wait for 'PalmOS II'...
At this point, it may just be easier to wait for OS II if you want a Linux palm. or get a zaurus...

Ok, it does shut down. I don't wan't to spend more money on this. Why wait for palm to release more mediocre hardware with it's new software? (if it wasn't for the treo palm would be dead)

I also believe I said novelty up there somewhere.

Anyways, to me the TX has always been out of place. The m100 was big but I didn't have a phone at the time, the Tungsten E was small but when I got a bigger phone it seemed big too, now the TX was just an odd experience for me. I don't get the benefits about the screen, it just looks stretched out and I haven't found a suitable 3rd party launcher, I'm much more impressed after running Linux on it.

As far as completeness the battery management is almost done, but the wi-fi is still untouched and as dmitry also said spotty bluetooth. Now don't get me wrong guys, but in the first post I said I was happy with my ipod and treo 680 combo (as well as my 12.1 laptop for that matter). So the need for those 2 wireless features in a novelty device escape me.

So why would I want to wait for another device, or be afraid of playing with the one I have, if I have a good combo already going and this is a thread about a device I was letting collect dust in a drawer next to a giant gameboy from the 90's.

Basically I was asking for others experiences with this project and so far I've got a response that I'm sure was not meant to belittle and a response from someone who hasn't read the previous posts.

phreakonaleash

07-05-2007, 03:29 PM

Basically I was asking for others experiences with this project and so far I've got a response that I'm sure was not meant to belittle and a response from someone who hasn't read the previous posts.
whoa whoa whoa... wait.
You shouldn't ask for peoples opinions then try to start a flame war over it.

andwewillbether

07-05-2007, 03:57 PM

I'm sorry for that, but at the same time instantly saying go to other devices or wait for OS2 aren't exactly the most constructive opinions especially considering my previous post. Specifically that the TX was collecting dust before this endeavor. I know dmitry is a busy man and his posts are usually short and to the point which can come off as offensive if it was intended or not. I also realize you were giving an opinion, however it seemed directed at me and if it was then it was off base considering the previous posts. Once again, I'm sorry and have a good day :-)

iboar

07-06-2007, 12:39 PM

Perhaps the bottomline question should be:

What can I do with a TX running Linux?

If that answer is not much, then I have to ask why bother! If you cannot accomplish anything other than basically looking at a screen of Linux running on the TX display, then what good is it. You might as well be looking at a photo of the same--neither will let you do much.

It is your TX, and if you want to waste it that is your business. However, don't expect much sympathy from people in this forum if you trash it due to stupidity. Nor should you expect much enthusiasm toward useless experimentation. I think most of us will respond to your TX not being used much with the reply that you should place it on eBay rather than turn it into an expensive brick.

Miska

07-06-2007, 01:44 PM

Hi, I'm using Linux on my TX for about a month. Yes, there some bugs. But PalmOS has bugs too. Especially in memory management. PalmOS has buggy dbCache. On TX PalmOS is slow and unstable. Linux is also slow, but it's more stable ;-) You can run several applications at once. You can switch between applications and your mp3 player wouldn't stop playing (as pTunes do all the times). Irda works, BT works and you can even choose any BT MAC you want. You can use built-in PIM application in Linux which natively supports UTF-8. You can play games of course, mp3 or video using either xmms or mplayer. You can use great power of shell scripts. You can ssh to your palm. You can have several applications using same internet connection. Some thing are not so user-friendly yet, but work in progress ;-) And about the wifi. It doesn't work at the moment. Thats true. But work is in progress and we've got some clues about it and with some luck it can work soon. It's usable at the moment and in some aspects it's much better then PalmOS ;-)

_Em

07-06-2007, 06:07 PM

I just tried out TX Linux for the first time in around a year... and found that nothing much had changed. Screen is still fuzzy, power management is still really awful, still no WiFi/flaky BT as stated above.

If you want to use it so that you can demo Linux running on a PDA, it works. If you want to use it to accomplish tasks, the default Garnet, while buggy, is much more feature complete. As far as the UI goes, TX Linux needs predictive text and autocorrecting (using aSpell and a grammar lib?), or else a keypad redesign. Running Linux on a Treo or UX would be doable, but the TX version just isn't there yet, and development for it appears to have slowed to a crawl.

Miska

07-07-2007, 03:47 AM

Screen is fuzzy? Not on my TX. What is awful about power management? It's a little bit slow (suspend and wake up), I can admit that. As stated above, WiFi in progress and GUI for BT is nearly done ;-) Treo is now much more experimenting then TX. You can use handwriting, if you don't like keyboard... And can I ask you what features already in PalmOS do you miss in Linux? Not counting WiFi ;-)
http://www.pajda.cz/img/proc.png

dmitrygr

07-07-2007, 04:00 AM

And can I ask you what features already in PalmOS do you miss in Linux? Not counting WiFi ;-)

my games, and those other 600,000 applications that i can download and run, not bothering to setup gcc, make, and 100,000,000,000,000,000 other dependencies.

PalmOS just works... Linux on the desktop took a LOOONG time to get to where it is today (which is somewhat close to "just works") and on PDAs it will take longer yet. Don't get me wrong I'm as much for linux as the next guy, but I have a more realistic view of it (and also I don't think rosy glasses look good on me)

Miska

07-07-2007, 11:13 AM

You can use a lot of games right now ;-) Some programs are ready as an ipkg sou you can just download binary and install it, but you know, binaries has their problems and now it's mostly in testing state, but most important things (PIM, multimedia, games, ...) are included in every image ;-) If you miss something you can port it as usual. I'm not saying that it's finished, but it's very usable now and work in progress ;-) If you are average user, you can use it(PIM works, games and multimedia too). If you want to try something more advance, you can use it too, cause it's linux. If you just want to install thousands of applications, then it's not for you right now ;-)

andwewillbether

07-07-2007, 12:12 PM

Different strokes for different folks right?

However it is very usable for someone who wants to use it.

Hey, it might even convince me to buy a Palm OS2 device when they come out if it's not too closed off. Up until now I was almost dead set on going to Nokia. However I don't believe I'm the average user on this site.

Marex

07-08-2007, 05:29 PM

keeping tx a linux machine is a foolish idea. palm linux port is extremely incomplete. No wifi, very flaky BT, no power management (read overcharge and explode lithium batteries possibly).

Do you really believe what you wrote here? Ever since lithium batteries have electronics built into them that prevent overcharging and exploding so stop spreading FUD. BT works better than in palmos, it can go at higher speed, you can set custom mac address, set bluetooth piconet over it etc. Powermanagement is complete so what are you blabbing about? WiFi is nearly done.

my games, and those other 600,000 applications that i can download and run, not bothering to setup gcc, make, and 100,000,000,000,000,000 other dependencies.

And do YOU use 600,000 applications on your device? Moreover every modern linux distro has package management system - probably you didnt noticed that yet - and it is quite easy to use. There is nice gui for lame users in opie called aqpkg ... just mark packages you want to install and tap INSTALL, they are automatically downloaded and installed with all dependencies etc. If you really miss compilation that much, you can install gcc, make, etc right on your device too and you will get full development station with support for all those C, C++, Fortran, Ada and whatever languages you want ... can you do that in palmos? I really doubt so.

PalmOS just works... Linux on the desktop took a LOOONG time to get to where it is today (which is somewhat close to "just works") and on PDAs it will take longer yet. Don't get me wrong I'm as much for linux as the next guy, but I have a more realistic view of it (and also I don't think rosy glasses look good on me)

Quality software takes LOOONG time to be developed. I understand Hack&Dev linux4palm is quite a menace for you since you make quite some money on your palmos tools (which are overexpensive and can never ever surpass gnu tools running on linux powered handheld anyway)

Please check handhelds.org and hackndev.com for the device status before you start saying some nonsenses. Thanks

Some images follow ... if palmos can do this, show me how ...
http://builds.hackndev.com/builds/Marex/sc_Wed_Jul_4_08.56.48_2007.png
Some PIM ... sorry, I cant draw and my hands are shaky ...
http://builds.hackndev.com/builds/Marex/sc_Wed_Jul_4_09.00.42_2007.png
Preinstalled game called glider ... I like it ...
http://builds.hackndev.com/builds/Marex/sc_Wed_Jul_4_09.02.06_2007.png
Another bunch of preinstalled games I like ...

Best regards - Marex - Palm LifeDrive, Tungsten T, T2, T5 and Zire71 linux port developer/maintainer.

BrentDC

07-08-2007, 05:45 PM

Marex, keep up the good work porting Linux to Palm handhelds. I at least appreciate the effort that is being done to get Linux running. I don't understand why everybody here at 1SRC is so down on Linux? It's a win win situation for handheld users, if they can't get it to work then you won't be using it, but then again you weren't using it before, and they can, then won't all these pessimists be eating there hats.

andwewillbether

07-08-2007, 06:19 PM

There's a lot more positive comments now which I must say reminds me of why I liked this board. It's not that I wanted comments of praise for Linux, just constructive thought. I think Palm OS is great, I wouldn't change my Treo to Linux even if it was 100%. However this is a great option to turn the TX into a more useful device for many people. I find that I just like palm OS devices better with smaller screens, I am well aware I am the minority here.

With that being said, I was getting a drink after a run with a friend today I grabbed the TX and pulled up a text file with the directions to a get together later tonight and I was able to draw a simple map and have both right next to each other at the same time without it being too cramped. It was a nice experience considering my laptop was sitting upstairs with no battery left (using it at work and forgot the charger, bad me). Now granted that text file was on my SD card that I've been using from my 680 but now I'm convinced that the TX is staying a Linux machine and even if I stuck with Nokia and didn't get the 680 I would keep it a Linux machine.

Now to go mess around with Linux :-)

crazyman

07-08-2007, 07:30 PM

I tried linux on the BE like 4 months ago and there was still much to do. Since then I checked the linux pages for something new and found out little has been updated it nothing.

I used to be a BE-300 (Windows CE kinda like pocket) and some guys around the world changed everything on it (software) to make it better. After like 8 years the new customized OS still rocks a lot better than the original. They changed the GUI, some drivers and it is amazing. So, I hope the TX - Palm in general goes for something like this too.

dmitrygr

07-08-2007, 08:00 PM

no need for any insults. it is not a menace for me. since may i work for vmware, and my palmos work is now a small percentage of my income.

i use a lot of apps that palmos only has, most of them games. Palmos, has piconets as well, look in the docs. Setting mac address is also quite possible, just not documented.

and last time i checked packagemanagement was NOT in palm linux.

Marex

07-09-2007, 06:57 AM

This wasnt meant as insult, but anyway ...
i use a lot of apps that palmos only has, most of them games.
PDA is not a gaming device, go buy gameboy or something.

Setting mac address is also quite possible, just not documented.
It is pretty simple in linux, just write it and restart bluetooth ... everything is well documented. So here linux wins.

and last time i checked packagemanagement was NOT in palm linux.
Opie AQPKG exists since "Sat Sep 28 23:22:41 2002 UTC (4 years, 9 months ago)", see here yourself http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/noncore/settings/aqpkg/ and ipkg is even older. Packagemanagement in palmlinux was ever since so what you state here is not true.

Marex, keep up the good work porting Linux to Palm handhelds.
Thank you, but it isnt only my effort at all, there is a whole team of people behind hackndev. Feel free to visit us on our irc channel if you need some help with palm/linux ... it is on irc.freenode.net #hackndev.

dmitrygr

07-09-2007, 10:05 AM

one more thing.....why do you keep bringing up the poor BT mac address? I mean yes, sure when that once in a lifetime need to do that comes, you will do it 20 minutes faster, but I do believe my original point was about real-world usability.

Marex

07-09-2007, 10:46 AM

and so what do you miss about read-world usability?

Miska

07-09-2007, 10:52 AM

and so what do you miss about read-world usability?

His favorite games, but he didn't mention which one :rolleyes:

dmitrygr

07-09-2007, 11:17 AM

to name a few: working fast snes emulator, web browsing from my couch, remote control of my tv and laptop using IR, legacy + expansions, strong chess program, TreoWeather for my weather to be updated every morning, etc.

andwewillbether

07-09-2007, 02:30 PM

If you're at your couch do you really enjoy web browsing on the TX over a laptop/desktop?

dmitrygr

07-09-2007, 02:32 PM

it works for reading my email, or checking out the channel guide online

Marex

07-09-2007, 02:53 PM

to name a few: working fast snes emulator
snes9x ... http://www.snes9x.com/ ... already packaged as ipk
web browsing from my couch
konqueror embedded ... http://www.basyskom.de/index.pl/konqe - already packaged as ipk
remote control of my tv and laptop using IR
opie-remote ... http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/cgi-bin/document.pl?document=opie-remote ... already packaged as ipk
legacy + expansions
legacy ... what? I think you are missing a word there ...
strong chess program
knights ... http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=261 ... already packaged as ipk
TreoWeather for my weather to be updated every morning
opie-today-weatherplugin ... http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php/v/opie12/today.png.html ... already packaged as ipk

btw. you are mixing two different things here - this thread is about TX...
etc.
so?

btw. some screenshots of opie 1.2.x series are here http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php/v/opie12/
morever if someone is missing palmos so much, then there is palmos emulator here http://www.climov.com/zaurus/qpose/

dmitrygr

07-09-2007, 03:08 PM

treoweather runs on my tx since i have the source
and konqueror is awfully cool...without wifi

legacy is a game for palm

Marex

07-09-2007, 09:57 PM

whatever ... there is that weatherplugin.
and about wifi ... Im personally working on it and it is pretty near. about konqueror ... have you ever heard about connecting to internet over bluetooth/irda/usb?

_Em

07-10-2007, 11:33 AM

dmitrygr

07-10-2007, 03:20 PM

B
ALso, about the fuzzy screen... screenshots always come out crisp, but the screen itself whines and is jittery (blurry) when I use Linux. The only time it does this for me under PalmOS is when it has locked up.

its a bad screen refresh speed...somebody didn't read the PXA LCD controller manual...

Marex

07-10-2007, 05:21 PM

its a bad screen refresh speed...somebody didn't read the PXA LCD controller manual...

There isnt any "PXA LCD controller manual" ... this is all in pxa developer manual, but whatever ... this issue is fixed and if you feel like it still whines, you can change it on runtime.

Marex

07-10-2007, 05:54 PM

Bluetooth/IrDA: I have no machine with a bluetooth PPP gateway, and no phone with Bluetooth. I have no devices other than handhelds and remote controls that use IrDA. USB kinda defeats the purpose, as you have to be tethered to a machine that has a 1280x1024 screen and a full web browser already, and isn't crippled by a USB 1.1 connection. I think you and dmitry are talking at cross purposes -- Dmitry is saying he wants something that works the way he does, and you are saying TX Linux matches PalmOS almost feature for feature.
Embedded Linux surpasses any other embedded platform, there is no doubt about it. If it comes to handhelds, linux already surpassed both WM and PalmOS in both performance and usability. Why should you use zillions of mutually incompatible platforms on zillions devices when you can use one that runs everywhere the same way?

To put it another way: there's a reason (beyond marketing) that people choose the iPod over Creative products.

That being said, I look forward to your WiFi driver :)
Thanks ...

ALso, about the fuzzy screen... screenshots always come out crisp, but the screen itself whines and is jittery (blurry) when I use Linux. The only time it does this for me under PalmOS is when it has locked up.
This is already fixed and LCCR3 can be even set on runtime. The screenshots were made from normal usage, I just added some fake contacts since I dont want to share mine ;]

One more thing: are there newer binaries than the ones from last August? I've read about issues being fixed and features being added on the discussion boards, but I can't seem to find recent builds that incorporate that stuff.

You can download TESTING releases here http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska - but they are really testing, we are preparing new official release with many new features soon.

Feel free to visit us on irc channel - irc.freenode.net #hackndev

phreakonaleash

07-10-2007, 05:58 PM

If it counts for anything, my analysis of Linux on Palm was the sourceforge build so it is, imho outdated. I will try to download that T|X build from miskas place tongiht.

_Em

07-11-2007, 11:06 AM

Embedded Linux surpasses any other embedded platform, there is no doubt about it. If it comes to handhelds, linux already surpassed both WM and PalmOS in both performance and usability. Why should you use zillions of mutually incompatible platforms on zillions devices when you can use one that runs everywhere the same way?
That's a pretty broad statement. There are many embedded systems that surpass Linux in their own niche; for one thing, Linux isn't a RTOS. However, as far as consumer embedded devices go, you're probably correct.

This is already fixed and LCCR3 can be even set on runtime. The screenshots were made from normal usage, I just added some fake contacts since I dont want to share mine ;]

You can download TESTING releases here http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska - but they are really testing, we are preparing new official release with many new features soon.

Feel free to visit us on irc channel - irc.freenode.net #hackndev

Sounds good; however, when booting the image on your site, I get "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,2)." The screen's no longer fuzzy though; just the screen whine and a very slight refresh flicker.

By the way: is there some specific reason for the bootloader to fail when the USB cable is plugged in?

phreakonaleash

07-11-2007, 11:46 AM

I get a kernal panic too...

alt236

07-11-2007, 01:06 PM

There has been a problem with specific mmc/sd cards... You might wan't to try another one.

The latest linux kernel is real-time btw. It's just a matter of time before everything else catches up. But I agree that mainstream distros (even embedded) won't easily beat systems that are designed bottom-up to be real time...

Marex

07-11-2007, 08:33 PM

I get a kernal panic too...

it is unofficial and testing, you have been warned ... I already contacted Miska to fix it asap

Marex

07-11-2007, 08:36 PM

I get "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,2)." The screen's no longer fuzzy though; just the screen whine and a very slight refresh flicker.

By the way: is there some specific reason for the bootloader to fail when the USB cable is plugged in?

-try dropping the root= option from kernel commandline
-no, there isnt any such reason ... it should boot no matter in what state the usb is

Miska

07-11-2007, 09:07 PM

My mistake :-( I accidentally deleted my Cocoboot and replaced it with another version. Bug fixed and there is new version on the web where Cocoboot doesn't have root=blabla by default...

phreakonaleash

07-11-2007, 10:08 PM

heehee, I would love to test my but my T|X is now a fancy paperweight. Going off to Palm Repair Center for replacement tomorrow. (not a Linux related bricking)

I will hope that opie works when i get it back! :-D I'm kinda excited now: my digi won't have a dead spot (hopefully)

andwewillbether

07-12-2007, 02:02 AM

Sorry to hear that, best of luck on the new/new to you/fixed device :-)

phreakonaleash

07-12-2007, 08:43 AM

meh, but lets keep on topic. Does Opie have Firefox or Minimo ipkg'd?

drwho

07-12-2007, 12:56 PM

_Em

07-12-2007, 03:58 PM

Hmm... with today's update I get the following (loader works with USB plugged in):

* Loading modules... FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.21-hnd2/modules.dep: No such file or directory
* Running preinit function...
Nothing to do...
[OK]
* Init runlevel 5...init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(254,2)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,2)

Marex

07-14-2007, 12:15 AM

Wow :eek: Progress is amazing compared to last time I tried it.

Are there any plans to improve the digitiser calibration? Like many others with a TX, mine is out quite considerably, and as a result I couldn't use the keyboard very easily. Five points just aren't enough to align it properly. We need PowerDigi for Linux!

there is tool called "ts_calibrate" ... just run it, it can calibrate ... well ... everything I got in contact so far. Even tslib surpassed palmos touchscreen handling long time ago.

Hmm... with today's update I get the following (loader works with USB plugged in):

* Loading modules... FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.21-hnd2/modules.dep: No such file or directory
* Running preinit function...
Nothing to do...
[OK]
* Init runlevel 5...init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(254,2)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,2)

You need different cocoboot (or drop the root= option from the current one)
http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/cocoboot.prc this one should be just fine

joeags

07-14-2007, 01:05 AM

OK, I feel really stupid, and probably shouldn't even be messing with this thing, but curiosity has the best of me. I went to the testing site and downloaded TX Linux (all) and unpacked it onto my SD card on my TX. I have a linux folder, a zimage and initrd.gz on the SD card, as well as cocoboot in launcher (since moved onto main memory).

On the loader page I show:
885 Palm TX
/zimage xxx bytes
/initrd.gz: xxx bytes
command line: init=/linuxrc

I click Boot!, and all I get is a snowy screen. I tried a 2nd SD card, and I get a snowy screen. Am I doing something wrong, missing something, etc, or should I just let the grown-ups (youngsters probably in this case!) play with their own toys???

drwho

07-14-2007, 03:20 AM

You do get a 'snowy' screen at first, and then it clears. How long did you leave it before resetting?

alt236

07-14-2007, 04:59 AM

Just a thing I noticed is that when I went back to POS, my auto-off timer had a ridiculus long value (it was up and running in my pocket for 10-15 minutes).
Just go into the power prefs and select a morec conservative one :)

joeags

07-14-2007, 07:31 AM

Edit: It's been running for 3 hours, so something tells me it's still not working for myself. Maybe I'll try the "official" version to see if that starts up with my SD cards, as that could be the problem.

You do get a 'snowy' screen at first, and then it clears. How long did you leave it before resetting?

Miska

07-15-2007, 02:37 AM

Try to remove card and insert it again and power off and on your Palm in PalmOS before taping on boot.

dmitrygr

07-15-2007, 02:42 AM

well, to play devil's advocate [and annoy you a bit]...palmos boots fine with any sort of usb cable and sd card state :)

_Em

07-15-2007, 01:19 PM

Well, I had an interesting experience last night... I removed the rootfs flag from the boot app, and it ran through the init sequence and then started to boot... and then locked up when the graphical boot screen had just started.

When I tried again, cocoboot immediately reset the TX on launch -- the only way I found it would work was launching it from Resco Explorer instead of from standard launchers; even after a warm reset.

HOWEVER, at least one of the files appears to have become corrupted as a result of that crash. Everything fails to load, and the kernel eventually panics.

drwho

07-16-2007, 02:22 PM

there is tool called "ts_calibrate" ... just run it, it can calibrate ... well ... everything I got in contact so far. Even tslib surpassed palmos touchscreen handling long time ago.
Thanks. That is better, but it's not as good as PowerDigi. Screen taps are still a little bit out in a few places

carlusius

07-16-2007, 03:39 PM

hello all, i have some problems on my tx when i try to boot the angstrom opie version, so, i discovered the problem: the zImage file was wrong/corrupt. on the internet, i found the correct file and uploaded a pack with all the files to boot correctly on T|X.

Please, before testing, DO A BACKUP FIRST, probably you'll lost all your data on RAM and CARD.

Download Here: http://www.4shared.com/file/17762311/ce10e78/Angstrom_Opie_PALM_TX.html

in this version, suspend/resume works safely.

the readme file was in portuguese (my 1st language, english is my 2nd language), but just unpack the cocoboot.prc to palm/launcher folder, and all the other files to the root directory. on the cocoboot, don't change anything, just tap boot.

and again, DO A BACKUP FIRST, RAM to card and card to PC.

Sorry for my english (it's my 2nd language, so take it easy)

_Em

07-16-2007, 05:18 PM

Thanks! That looks like the ticket to fix the problems I was having.

Oh, and Miska: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz appears to have stopped accepting outside connections sometime in the last week.

Miska

07-17-2007, 03:45 AM

Some hosting problems :-( It's back online now ;-)

juggernaut#2

07-17-2007, 09:17 AM

the readme file was in portuguese (my 1st language, english is my 2nd language), but just unpack the cocoboot.prc to palm/launcher folder, and all the other files to the root directory. on the cocoboot, don't change anything, just tap boot.
This does only give me an endless white screen after booting.

lemmyslender

07-17-2007, 06:37 PM

Miska-

I downloaded from your site. Boots no problem. Runs pretty well. I'm still playing with it. Couple of questions though:

1) I always have to reset the time/date any time I boot it. Any way to avoid this?
2) I can't seem to get bluetooth to work. It will not enable?
3) Still trying to get sound to work?

Other than that very impressed.

gahenton

07-18-2007, 12:26 AM

I managed to get it installed and running on my TX, I can not get it to run a 1 gig SD card, but my 512meg will. So there is something strange there. I also notice that date/time is messed up. I have not tried BlueTooth. I am having fun. Runs very good and seems stable once it does get booted.

GerryH

Miska

07-18-2007, 02:58 AM

1) I always have to reset the time/date any time I boot it. Any way to avoid this?
Currently, there is no way to avoid it.
2) I can't seem to get bluetooth to work. It will not enable?
Currently, it has to be run manualy. Using console:
/etc/init.d/bluetooth start
to start and
/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
to stop it. You have also to turn it off manually before suspend.
It will be corrected in new rootfs, but I don't know when.
3) Still trying to get sound to work?
You have to adjust volume in console using for example aumix. If you want to use your speaker and not just the earphones, you should play with balance too.

lemmyslender

07-18-2007, 07:19 AM

Miska-

Thanks for the replies. Bummer about the date/time.

After I posted last night I did figure out how to get bluetooth working. I'm a linux novice, so it took me a little while to find the bluetooth file in the init.d folder and realize I could start/stop it using that file. I don't use bluetooth that much, but without wireless, I can use that to connect to the internet at home.

I was playing with aumix a little last night, still need to figure that out.

Overall I like playing with this, not quite ready for daily use, but getting close. The speed is a little slow, but not bad compared to having the cache flushed regularly in pos. Wireless would be nice (you said that is coming). The date/time wouldn't be a big issue as it seems more stable than pos and shouldn't require frequent rebooting.

Still can't quite watch movies like I can using tcpmp. Don't know if that is a matter of codec/size or what.

Looking forward to more updates. Thanks for the hard work.

Tam Hanna

07-18-2007, 05:24 PM

Hi,
pouring some salt out...

On the h4150 HP sent me, Linux works quite well =).

OK, no WiFi/BT with the packages i've got...but it works pretty well otherwise!

dmitrygr

07-18-2007, 06:00 PM

Currently, there is no way to avoid it.

Currently, it has to be run manualy...

You have also to turn it off manually before suspend.
too.

You have to adjust volume in console using for example aumix. If you want to use your speaker and not just the earphones, you should play with balance too.

And YOU were complaining about PalmOs usability?

vbrother

07-19-2007, 02:03 AM

Man, it's AWESOME! Have done it via http://hackndev.com/ or by other means? Moreover, it's possible/feasible to make it work on a Clié UX 50?

vbrother

07-19-2007, 02:07 AM

alegra

07-19-2007, 04:08 AM

my games, and those other 600,000 applications that i can download and run, not bothering to setup gcc, make, and 100,000,000,000,000,000 other dependencies.

Isn't there a Palm OS API emulator (or something like that) for Zaurus? Wouldn't it be possible to run it on a Palm (while running Linux)?

CLIE UX50: There seems to be a project ( http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SonyClieUX50 ), but I think there is no progress.

Alex

_Em

07-19-2007, 01:02 PM

The PalmOS 4 emulator (POSE) should run on Palm Linux; PalmOS 5 only has a windows-based simulator though. :\

POSE requires a ROM from a PalmOS 4 device in order to function.

javispedro

07-19-2007, 01:41 PM

linux already surpassed both WM and PalmOS in both performance and usability. Doubt it surpasses PalmOS' usability & performace (usually because no one that wants performance uses the PalmOS API anymore :) ).

How does GNU/Linux feel with only 32Mb of RAM? By the time I tried it, it sucked, but I used X (and that GTK Gnome-like suite whose name I don't remember). I remember Opie was faster, but it was not much faster anyway.

Maybe Janembo might work as a PalmOS 5 "emulator" on GNU/Linux. It will be very slow....

alegra

07-19-2007, 03:56 PM

carlusius

07-22-2007, 09:49 PM

Cocoboot v0.4 released!!!!!

download it here: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=155828&package_id=236521&release_id=523966

Original URL (not for download): http://hackndev.com/node/853

Marex

07-25-2007, 06:06 PM

And YOU were complaining about PalmOs usability?
Yea ... and I seriously doubt about palmos usability too. Palmos simply is dead, get to live on with it.
1) As for time issue - thats because your beloved palmos doesnt even have correct implementation of PXA RTC, it rather has some obscure hacky thing.
2) bluetooth - bluetoothapplet already works perfectly well ... and it goes up to 921600Bd (which is 8x more than palmos can ever go) ;-)
3) Have you ever seen datasheet of WM9712 ? I recommend studying it since its like little HiFi in PDA. It really has pretty rich feature set. Palmos cant obviously make any use of it with its stupid "volume control" oposing to linux with alsamixer where you can set the chip precisely and the output is then what I call sound quality (pretty clean sound, nice bass and treble, no noise etc.) I never saw even simple bass/treble settings in palmos :-/

btw. lack of quality webbrowser in palmos is something horrible (as for linux see my blog - http://marex-hnd.blogspot.com and this http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/KonquerorEmbedded2007 for konqueror embedded screenshots ... yea, it uses full blown KHTML 3.5.7, the same rendering engine desktop konqueror in newest KDE uses)

BR
Marex

dmitrygr

07-25-2007, 06:12 PM

Marex

07-25-2007, 06:13 PM

GREAT! Would it be possible on Sony Clié UX 50? Did you try http://hackndev.com/?
yea, Im core hackndev developer since the whole begining of that project ... as for ux50 it uses some proprietary sony cpu, so it wont be possible without sony's intervention ...

Marex

07-25-2007, 06:16 PM

Doubt it surpasses PalmOS' usability & performace (usually because no one that wants performance uses the PalmOS API anymore :) ).

How does GNU/Linux feel with only 32Mb of RAM? By the time I tried it, it sucked, but I used X (and that GTK Gnome-like suite whose name I don't remember). I remember Opie was faster, but it was not much faster anyway.

Maybe Janembo might work as a PalmOS 5 "emulator" on GNU/Linux. It will be very slow....

Im quite fine with its speed. I obviously use opie because I like qt more. As for this emulation ... we are developing qemu support for palm roms. Its still early stage, but its more than enough to make me vomit from palmos. Even stupid palmos bootloader does so many incorrect hardware calls .. sheesh. This is simply proof that palmos is such a bloated piece of crap ... I dont even have words :-E~~~

And as for janeiro ... they use arm emulator with jffs2 image and linux kernel. Someone from our team even managed to run in on hackndev kernel to some stage. It was just out of interest though.

About the X issue, X are quite hardcore stuff for 32megs of ram indeed.

Marex

07-25-2007, 06:24 PM

1. I care not how they use the RTC, as far as I am concerned it works...rememebr we're talking of usability, not terms that 1 in 10000 people know about
2. Great....making it the only device around that can use it....how amazingly useful indeed
3. I have read the spec sheet, and more then once. Surprisingly enough for music i have 20 inch SPEAKERS, and a REAL AMP
4. Picsel Browser works for me just fine, its fast and useable, let's see konqueror do that kind of full-page view and zoom....

1. Then you should not also care about the time distortion since its NOT bug of linux, but bug of palmos.
2. Are you really so concerned about it? Every stupid usb bluetooth dongle can run that fast and sets the speed according the speed of device it communicates with. So sending few megs to my palm doesnt take ages anymore.
3. Cool ... and the conclusion is? (dont tell me the conclusion is you have to take your "real amp" and "20inch speakers" with you :-B )
4. Do you see that magnifying glass icon there? Thats for zoom from 25% to 400% ;-) In my blog it is set to 100%.

dmitrygr

07-25-2007, 06:28 PM

Even stupid palmos bootloader does so many incorrect hardware calls .. sheesh.

Find 10, show them, on a PXA270 device please. I'm somewhat curious about this, seems like You're just pulling this fact out of ******

Marex

07-25-2007, 06:57 PM

Find 10, show them, on a PXA270 device please. I'm somewhat curious about this, seems like You're just pulling this fact out of ******

Feel free to run palmld rom in qemu and see yourself ... qemu is in hackndev svn. As for what I recall now there are some out-of-bounds writes, writes to non-existent adresses, incorrect CP15 coprocessor writes etc. Im planing to analyse the palmos bootloader more toroughly soon so I will tell you details later.

dmitrygr

07-25-2007, 07:01 PM

no no. You do it, burden of proof is on you.
As far as i know, qemu is just horribly inexact

Marex

07-25-2007, 07:20 PM

no no. You do it, burden of proof is on you.
As far as i know, qemu is just horribly inexact

You want a proof, I shown you a way already
If you want to go that way, please do so, if not, lets just drop this topic.

As for qemu exactness, the pxa emulation is done exatly according intel pxa27x specs.

JAmerican

07-25-2007, 09:58 PM

OMG thanks for posting this. I think I can make my TX useful now. Question, how well does Linux for TX and Ubuntu work together? You would think that two Linux based OS would work together but I've seen other OSes (cough Windows) not work so well together.

I'll try this out :).

JAmerican

Marex

07-26-2007, 05:59 AM

it will obviously work as if you had two linux pcs ;)

_Em

07-26-2007, 12:19 PM

In other words, forget about syncing, but you can transfer files between SD card and HD just fine.

Also, the TX only has client-mode USB and BT 1.2, which limits it somewhat.

Does Opie have a drive-mode driver yet?

_Em

07-26-2007, 12:38 PM

As an update, I still haven't got Miska's testing release to work on my TX -- the first time I run it, it begins to boot and then locks up. Upon forcing a reset, the images then fail to load, and I need to reinstall them to get it to the "partial boot" stage again. Complicating the issue further, the partial boot sequence appears to not only corrupt the images, but the FAT table on my SD card; I need to format and re-copy all my data after running Cocoboot. I use a SanDisk 1.0GB card.

_Em

07-26-2007, 05:07 PM

Finally got it to install after a hard reset and SD card format :) It's definitely looking much improved, albeit still too slow to use reliably on the Palm TX. Is there an overclocking tool I'm unaware of that makes it more useable?

dmitrygr

07-26-2007, 05:13 PM

yes, but linux on PDA is so usable and user-friendly, you need to compile 100000 lines of code, type 30 lines of commands on command prompt to get it to over-clock.

:)

_Em

07-26-2007, 05:49 PM

Tut Tut! Minesweeper and Solitaire work just fine... what more could anyone want in usability and user friendliness? ;)

Another thing on my wishlist: a library that lets Opie use the Palm epoch date so I can keep an accurate date/time when switching between OSes.

Marex

07-27-2007, 03:59 PM

yes, but linux on PDA is so usable and user-friendly, you need to compile 100000 lines of code, type 30 lines of commands on command prompt to get it to over-clock.

:)

And how many lines of code does palmos have?

As for cpufreq, read through this http://hackndev.com/comment/reply/852 and see the section cpufreq ... one line is just fine. You can write a cpufreq gui for opie instead of useless blahing.

Marex

07-27-2007, 04:01 PM

alt236

07-27-2007, 04:16 PM

Bother palmone to update RTC implementation on your device. Time problem is NOT issue of Linux.

Indeed, but the switch from PalmOS to Linux should be as smooth as possible. Which means that the weight of the work falls to us.

Acting elitistic about whose fault it is won't solve the problem and really will NOT help converting people to Linux.
This is the same issue would-be adopters have with the gnome team.

_Em

07-27-2007, 06:02 PM

Indeed... if you followed that logic to its conclusion, you'd say, "Bother palmone to update their bootloader so it can boot Linux. Not having a usable bootloader is NOT issue of Linux." The truth is, when porting software to new architectures, you have to work around the limitations the device came with before you can move onward and gain acceptance. I'd do it myself, but I don't have time to work on this project... so I just sit in the balcony and heckle, and do some bug testing from time to time :)

If it never works, I've lost nothing. If some of my suggestions are picked up by developers with free time, great! I'll be happy to give the OS my seal of approval and recommend it to others.

goneblank

07-27-2007, 10:19 PM

I've been testing this out a bit and so far I'm pretty happy with the results. The only problem I've had is that often when coming out of standby the digitizer goes dead and I have to reset to get it working again.

One question. Is there (or will there) be support for high capacity SD cards?

Marex

07-28-2007, 05:22 AM

One question. Is there (or will there) be support for high capacity SD cards?
There probably is some patch already flying around, but noone from hackndev has sdhc to test it ;)

Indeed, but the switch from PalmOS to Linux should be as smooth as possible. Which means that the weight of the work falls to us.
I dont really care about palmos bugs, thats why I am working on replacing palmos with linux. Moreover if you were really desperate, you can reflash palmos bootloader with uboot and say palmos final goodbye. I think there was some way to work this time issue around.

alt236

07-28-2007, 07:24 AM

Most people will initialy dual boot between the two to makes sure that Linux will do what they need (same process with dektop adoption). As a result they will want the switching to be as smooth as possible. I personaly don't care much (its not a big deal setting the clock) but think how amateurish this will look for someone who is not tech savy.

Also there will be a great deal of people who will dual boot on purpose since the wan't the best of the two worlds. They will be using Palm as a fast PIM manager and Linux for actual work. This is especially true for NVFS devices which do not erase the NVRAM. Even if it is decided to erase it I'm sure that there will be demand for a branch which desesn't.

Did ever dual boot a Windows/Linux box a few years back?
The system clock would eventually get out of whack since Linux and Windows implement DST in a different way. Eventualy after a lot of screaming a work around was found and it was adopted by a number of distros. This is similar to this.

Similar to _EM I don't have the time to look for a solution (I'm getting close to my Viva :) ), but since the error seems consintent in all POS units then completly patching the routines that set and read the RTC in order to accomodate Palm's blunder would be easy and eventually A-Good-Thing (tm).

Tam Hanna

07-28-2007, 12:06 PM

Guys, if you ask me, FIX IT ASAP!

This is one of the things that make Linux difficult.

I have an article on that somewhere on an old memory card...my host forbade me to run it two years ago...too well =). Looking for it...

_Em

07-28-2007, 02:30 PM

The fix is actually really simple, since all you have to do is create a special zoneinfo file with the timeshift calculated in. You could then ask the user which zoneinfo file they wanted to use (Palm compatible or Traditional Linux) as part of the initial setup routine.

psharmor

07-29-2007, 02:02 PM

At this point, can anybody refer me to the MOST UP-TO-DATE distro for T|X? I've been playing with several, but still have not gotten BT up and running... Even from console...

alt236

07-29-2007, 02:10 PM

It should be here (13/07/07): http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/

The last "official" build is from 09/07/2006.

psharmor

07-29-2007, 02:57 PM

Tried that one just a few hours ago... NO working bluetooth, from console or applet. Am, now, loaded up with the Angstrom distro mentioned in earlier post, boots unreliably, and get different errors on console, trying to start bt, but still err's out.

papitopaul

07-30-2007, 01:12 PM

Ran across this thread, and gave it a try. Downloaded and put on a 512 SD card.
Fonts are too small for my old, tired eyes so changed to 12 point from 9 point.
I am on Fedora 7 with my laptop, and almost got USB networking running per instructions at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbNet
I have to go back and look at all the networks I have for ethernet, wireless, vmware, and tunneling for Hercules emulator. Have not tried IR or Bluetooth. I may just wait until wireless gets working.
Kind of difficult typing in a console without a real keyboard.
Fun to play with.

alt236

07-30-2007, 04:52 PM

I'm not sure If they are still inside the build but at a point the PalmWirelessKeyboard was supported (while sacrificing true IR capabilities though). On the other hand, it might have been on the LD build only (its been a while since I used my PWK:))...

_Em

07-30-2007, 05:03 PM

Where would be the appropriate place to submit the IR keycodes for my wireless keyboard (it's a generic keyboard, not a Palm/Belkin one)?

alt236

07-30-2007, 05:04 PM

Hmmm... probably the hackndev forums (http://hackndev.com).

Marex

07-30-2007, 07:34 PM

This keyboard-thingamie is just a matter of adding support in "irK" ... I dont have the keyboard myself, but I will try to get it somewhere ;-)

alt236

07-30-2007, 07:42 PM

@Marex
I thought Alex had it done for the LD build (or I remember something similar in the forums)?

Marex

07-31-2007, 11:22 AM

He made some nasty hack in kernel irda driver. Using irK is much better since its userspace tool and doesnt need any hacks.

alt236

07-31-2007, 11:26 AM

Ah, so thats what it was.
Then yes, using irK is much better :)

Mith

07-31-2007, 02:41 PM

Hello all. Just want to post a thank you to everyone working to get Linux running on Palm devices. I have a TX and would love to ditch the PalmOS on this unit for Linux. I don't know Linux well enough to do programming, but my unit is available to help in beta-testing anytime. I just need to find a distro that will run on this unit first without crashing unless there's one that's recommended more than others.

I've downloaded the version that's here (http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/), and going to try it very shortly.

lemmyslender

08-01-2007, 09:16 AM

downloaded the latest from miska (see above post) dated 7/30/07. Looks like they added a few things:

Working bluetooth applet (although I haven't got it to connect to anything, it starts/stops the bluetooth fine).

CPU speed adjustment (overclocking) although the little I played with it last night, didn't seem to make much difference on speed opening applications.

Brightness control - doesn't work anymore, stays with whatever level was set in POS. Slider only has on/off from applet, power/light application will let you set it anywhere, but doesn't change it.

Removed quite a few of the games and applications that were there previously.

Added Konquerer web browser. Takes a little time to load. Similar to blazer times. Couldn't use it though, no network setup.

I would like to see some of the games/applications added back in, although these aren't important. The backlight does need fixed (should be easy as it was working previously).

_Em

08-01-2007, 12:31 PM

Looking good... I might start doing more than just testing it (actually using it!) when working WiFi and brightness control is added :)

Of course, adding in the zoneinfo hack would also help :)

goneblank

08-01-2007, 09:23 PM

Power management seems to be broken in this version. Screen doesn't go blank when idle (set it to 10 seconds but nothing ever happens). Standby just fades to a white screen.

Some of the changes look nice but some very basic functionality has been lost.

teret

08-02-2007, 12:03 AM

you must stop tapping the screen :) :) :)

lemmyslender

08-02-2007, 08:06 AM

there is something funny about the power management. it doesn't suspend and resume nicely like the previous version did. it seems to get stuck frequently.

bluetooth can see my computer and the computer can see the palm, however they can not pair, either authentication fails or no response from the palm.

looking forward to the next release.

Technoid

08-18-2007, 04:16 PM

Wonderfull, this just bricked my T|X :-\

Technoid

08-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Wonderfull, this just bricked my T|X :-\

No, it just hardlocked the CPU :o

the battery ran out and after connecting the powercable it came to life after a soft reset :D

jays333

08-18-2007, 06:11 PM

thats why u stick with palm os u want something diffrent buy another device...

-jays333

Technoid

08-18-2007, 06:30 PM

thats why u stick with palm os u want something diffrent buy another device...

-jays333

heh, palm OS is superior when it comes to hang in weird ways :p

IonTruO2

08-23-2007, 08:26 AM

If I may offer my two cents worth.
I use a Treo650 daily. I am an intermediate Zlauncher user and find it is the key for me, that is keeping Palm alive for now.
I have a Palm Tx here that a friend rejected. So here I sit tweaking it, and enjoying the notably bigger screen, but I must the say the browser is mediocre and unable to manage Blogger comment pages, as well as fussy responses to examples like Facebook.

Recently bought the Nokia N800 internet tablet which runs Linux, with a unique desktop. It has been an excellent experience and the product it is at the beginning of its curve. Wicked memory capability right out of the box 2x8gig sdhc cards and seamless downloads and installs(most opensource).

Thus my interest here, with regards to the option of Linux for the Tx. I love my Zlauncher/Zlink and the general speed of Palm is very fast, but Linux on the N800 as I have seen it, is inspiring.

So I am teetering in between, but yet I lean,
towards something a little more comprehensive and growing.

palmgeek5394

08-25-2007, 12:54 PM

A few questions -
1) Does it rewrite ROM or reside in memory?
2) If it crashes horribly can you reformat and go back to garnet?
3) Is there any syncing s/w or a way to transfer contacts?
4) If the answers to all above are yes, where do I get it?
5) Is there a startup time 45 sec. +?
6) Can it power off? :confused:
I could see how it could run better on a T|T5 than a TX - no wifi, double the RAM, +104MHZ. I'd think multitasking would be cool. :)

carlusius

08-25-2007, 06:43 PM

1) it's NOT a replacement for palmOS, so it will NOT overwrite your ROM
1)to go back to GARNET, simply do a soft reset
3)NO
5) the boot time is about 2 minutes.
6)yes, but only on angstrom opie.

at time, it run very slow, u cannot use this as your default OS, and it's very unstable, it is for test only.
it don't support wi-fi yet, and bluetooth don't work well...

Sorry for my english, i'm brazillian...

palmgeek5394

08-25-2007, 09:59 PM

Cool. Where do I download it? ;)

carlusius

08-25-2007, 11:42 PM

download it here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/

:-)

phreakonaleash

08-26-2007, 03:07 AM

3)NO
5) the boot time is about 2 minutes.

3)ipkg-install <pkg location> get ipks from handhelds.org, store on sd card
5)I clock it at around 1 minute even.

Palmisok

09-01-2007, 09:11 PM

This might be a bold request, but what are the chances that you would have something like TomTom running on the Linux OS?

I'm wondering is it possible that when Dmitry was talking about the usability he meant that it wasn't so complete to a point where it's a push button to open an app? Kind of like having to open BT and turn it on by using a command as opposed to Palm's push on button. By chance is that what you mean when you were talking about it?

C.P.

09-02-2007, 07:04 PM

Hi, i was looking for informations about linux in TX, i visited a lot of places (h&d, handhelds, your blogs, etc) and here in this fight Marex vs Dmitry i found a lot of informations. Guys, Linux is not enimy of palm os, is more like 2 brothers living in same house, if u want play lagacy with all upgrades u use palm os, if u want use internet listen music and writing informations u are looking in notepad, u boot linux. But is not about it im posting here, everyday i visit Miska and Marex blog waiting for informations, and i bealive a lot of people like me thinking u 2 are our jesus, so now maybe is the time to u write the bible. The informations about linux in tx are floating in web, i sugest, Miska and Marex, to u do a blog, site or i dont know what with informations in simple language where u 2 can post articles , tutorials, FAQs to us.

Thanks a lot to read this (if u read), and i dont know if this can do difference, but i say Plz, plz, plz

Miska

09-03-2007, 02:39 AM

I'm wondering is it possible that when Dmitry was talking about the usability he meant that it wasn't so complete to a point where it's a push button to open an app? Kind of like having to open BT and turn it on by using a command as opposed to Palm's push on button. By chance is that what you mean when you were talking about it?

In Opie, there is fixed BT applet now, so you don't have to use commands. There is also CPUFreq applet for overclocking and border applet to disable white border ;-)

The informations about linux in tx are floating in web, i sugest, Miska and Marex, to u do a blog, site or i dont know what with informations in simple language where u 2 can post articles , tutorials, FAQs to us.

If you want to know latest informations, you can visit http://planet.hackndev.com where you can found messages from every blog concerning Hacking & Development and also commit messages from kernel.

Latest status is, that Marex has my TX and he fixed PCMCIA driver and he's got early NAND driver. Next step is filesystem driver. Once we finish this, we can try booting linux from internal memory ;-)

C.P.

09-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Miska, do u have a new realise with this modifications? if yes, where i find it?
And, do u know where i find a noob guide, I'm noob ^^.

Miska i want boot from my rom, but i dont want leave palm os, i want palm os and linux in my pda, i think a lot of people think like me.

Ty Miska.

Miska

09-24-2007, 03:53 PM

Filesystem driver is not ready yet. You can get some version from my web, but I'm going to update it during next month. Currently you have to have Linux on your card. This means, that every soft reset will return you to PalmOS ;-)

_Em

11-28-2007, 03:50 PM

Any updates, Miska? The files on your website (http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/) are still from July and the files on Hacndev (http://hackndev.com/releases) are from October 17.

aerotux

12-13-2007, 03:39 PM

Hello guys. Hackndev seems to be down for several days now.

I'm trying to have Linux on the TX work. How do you install it? I can't find any article about that. I just uncompress the tx-all.tgz on the root of a FAT32 memory card and boot from coconoot? That's it? am I missing something?

Thanks!

_Em

12-13-2007, 05:01 PM

That's it -- the current offering for the TX at hackndev is much more recent than the stuff in this thread -- it actually works for me! Now if only they'd relent and use the PalmOS epoch so I can switch back and forth between OSes....

Palmisok

12-13-2007, 09:24 PM

Did you actually try it already _Em? It actually looks good and possibly better than Palm, but anything that I should watch out for?

since the site is still down does anyone know if there was ever a Wifi addon? Also, I downloaded all the files for the TX, but I think I got something corrupt with Konqueror, unless it didn't really work to begin with (I keep getting this SIGSEGV error).

indigenous

12-14-2007, 12:14 AM

I tried it a few months ago and it worked, but with no WiFi I went back to the regular Palm OS. Not ready for prime time, but with some more work it could be great.

Indi

rasebo

02-11-2008, 05:37 PM

I was using the opie release for TX from hackndev.com for about 2 days, and decided to go back to PalmOS. I entered Settings/Shutdown/reset (or reboot don't remember exactly - the one on the left), it showed me a progress bar, the screen shut down as usual and...it remained that way. I could see a hackndev logo on the unlit screen which faded away in time ('bout 5 minutes). I tried reseting, warm reseting, hard reseting, all to no results. It now basically looks like a door stopper with a flip cover and a 320x480 screen. :)) Actually, from what i have read on the net, it's behaving exactly like the bricking that occurs when over-overclocking the pda.

After the initial surge of panic (omg wtf help s**t :)) ), I searched on google for some info on this. I found a thread on hackndev.com forums where somebody else had this problem with opie too on his tx, and he said that he had to open the palm up, unsolder one of the battery wires, solder it back and then it was all OK.

Now, I don't wanna do this because my palm is still under warranty. I know that i could just wait for the battery to drain, but i don't really know how much would this all take. I know it was somewhere around 35-40%, and this happened about 6 hours ago. So... how long until I will know if i can revive the device or not?