Agendus 12.0 Premier, Pro, Standard!

[wellsjs]

Speed issues resolved! Many new features! Upgrade is the customary $9.95. See it here:

http://www.iambic.com/agenduspro/palmos/default.asp

Click on "What's New" for screenshots of all the wonderful new features.

[stevec]

I've used Agendus for years and will give v12 a go - pity the download from Handandgo is v11.

[wellsjs]

Just released by iambic in the middle of the night. I'm sure Handango / Palmgear will be updated very shortly.

[stevec]

Got v12 from myiambic and installed. Looks fine but hit one problem already - I ran a purge on completed tasks over a week old and calendar views no longer show any tasks; they're fine in the Task list - that works fine - but no longer on "Today" or "Split" views. Strangely, if in the Task view I instruct it to show completed items, those from last week (and not purged) show fine. I've been through all the settings I know and they all say to show tasks.

Not disastrous but needs to get on the fix list quick; I've posted it on the iambic forum.

[mcapehart]

Hi Steve,
As you know, but for the benefit of others at 1src, I've replied to your post on this matter on our forums.

[Creideiki]

Looks nice, a lot of cool features, but what I really wanted was the ability to make check lists in memos. This would replace two other apps I use. As of right now, I'm undecided about whether to upgrade.

Thanks for the heads up, though!

<C>

[Josser]

I hate the way they make you pay for bug fixes, I beleive they add the bugs to generate revenue.

I would love to run Agendus, but it is so buggy. Every time I try it I lose data.

[mcapehart]

Looks nice, a lot of cool features, but what I really wanted was the ability to make check lists in memos.<C> Hmm. :confused: You must have overlooked 'Agenda Walkthrough: extended it to Memos' in the Miscellaneous section. :D

[mcapehart]

I hate the way they make you pay for bug fixes, I beleive they add the bugs to generate revenue.

I would love to run Agendus, but it is so buggy. Every time I try it I lose data.I'm sorry you feel this way, but you're way off in your belief, and in general with regard to the "bugginess" as well, based on the many happy customers we hear from.

[Creideiki]

Hmm. :confused: You must have overlooked 'Agenda Walkthrough: extended it to Memos' in the Miscellaneous section. :D

Yes, I did! Excellent. Now to go dig out my cc!

Thanks!

<C>

[stevec]

For the benefit of those who may not be following the iambic forum thread, I've restored my task database from last night's backup and all is working as it should. It looks like purge does something unexpected to the task DB. Run purge and the problem reappears but I can avoid doing that until the issue is resolved.

As far as buggy - no software can ever be totally bug free, no matter how extensive it's tested as there are too many permutations of platform, software and actions to cover them all. Beta testing should iron out any "fatal" problems - the remaining ones should then get fixed as they arise. I've used Agendus from when it was ActionNames and have been part of some earlier test programs - haven't participated recently because I'm too busy nowadays. It's my most used program (Palm or PC).

[wellsjs]

I hate the way they make you pay for bug fixes, I beleive they add the bugs to generate revenue.That really does differ from our customer experience overall. I doubt you know didley about PDA software support based on your very poor choice of words, but hey, who's gonna stop you from making your unsubstantiated claims? Have fun! :D

Is AGP 12.0 without any bugs? Certainly not. No complex software in the multi-device, multi-OS version Palm software world ever will be, not to mention the unlimited mix of other 3rd party software combinations and their effects on one another.

I think time and experience will prove AGP 12.0 to be one of the least buggy "x.0" versions iambic has ever produced. Since 100% of bugs is virtually impossible to achieve, it becomes quite obvious that a few bugs are carried over to a new major version release. If we waited until ALL bugs were nailed, we'd still be on version 1.4857483. Any votes to return to Action Names 1.x with zero OTA functionality? Probably didn't even support color! :eek:

[Zano2004]

Is AGP 12.0 without any bugs? Certainly not. What new features have been added? Have they fixed the Release 11.1 bugs yet? When compared to previous X.0 releases, 12 sure isn't a new features release, which would make it easy not to have any NEW bugs.......... If it's not a new features release, what is it if not a bug fix release?

[braj]

I'm really liking the Journal view, it took a nice but not terribly useful feature and really made it useful. Now I can see all my journal entries easily.

One thing though: I had started testing the beta early on and then got very busy at work, so I only really looked at the first two builds. After installing the final release, I see there are a whole bunch of bugs that should be fixed before you declare FC. So it is the same old Iambic quality, buggy versions are released with inadequate testing. But if you are used to this and the features that do work are important to you, then you will probably be happy.

[mcapehart]

I'...I see there are a whole bunch of bugs that should be fixed before you declare FC. So it is the same old Iambic quality, buggy versions are released with inadequate testing. But if you are used to this and the features that do work are important to you, then you will probably be happy.Can yu be specific to the "whole bunch of bugs"?

[wellsjs]

What new features have been added?You're a big boy Zan, go to the "What's New?" page and read! There's even pictures if you're not in the mood to read! :p :D

[braj]

Can yu be specific to the "whole bunch of bugs"?

1) I had all my categories wiped out this morning after installing then syncoing to Agendus Windows for Palm. (don't know if that was the Palm or the Window version's fault though. PITA though as you can imagine).

2) My photos attached to contacts aren't all showing. Adding new contacts doesn't necessarily mean they will be displayed (I'm over photos displaying correctly in Agendus so at this point I don't care).

3) When using custom fonts and scrolling all the way down in Journal view there the last line looks like a black bar of junk.

4) It still crashes when changing categories in Contacts edit or Memos when using a skinning app (your bug since NO other app I use crashes in this situation).

5) Trying to auto-update tells you there is a new version (12.00 is yours, new is 12.0) but it is the same version after you reinstall.

6) The radio status indicator isn't visible in Journal view.

These are just the ones I've ran into with very limited use today. If I spent a whole day testing I bet I could find 100 bugs.

Now, the primary issue is probably that if you don't get bugs from the beta testers, you don't know they exist. So the beta looks solid but there is no comprehensive testing from the beta program, just anecdotal testing from unpaid volunteers. How many paid QA engineers you have at Iambic working on Agendus, do you have test plans and test cases? Is there an internal paid staff to do this or is the volunteer staff generally it? It is commercial software after all. If you did improve quality it would be much easier to recommend your products without the caveats that you have some issues with quality.

[harpgliss]

I doubt you know didley about PDA software support based on your very poor choice of words, but hey, who's gonna stop you from making your unsubstantiated claims? Have fun! :D



Hi,

Are you making a flip and woefully insulting statement as a representative of Iambic or is this just your usual response when someone has a differing experience from yours regarding this particular software.

Feel free to offer up a flip response here also but I really find your comments in the past when people have responded with less than glowing comments about Agendus.

You are entitled to your opinion and your experiences but please do not insult others for theirs and expressing it here.

Either as a representative of Iambic or just a fan, I would have expected to see you conduct yourself in a matter that reflects positively on yourself and on the software you are touting the positive qualities of.


David

[Zano2004]

You're a big boy Zan, go to the "What's New?" page and read! There's even pictures if you're not in the mood to read! :p :DThat's just it John, there ain't much there.......... Where's the beef BIG John?

[Zano2004]

1) I had all my categories wiped out this morning after installing then syncoing to Agendus Windows for Palm. (don't know if that was the Palm or the Window version's fault though. PITA though as you can imagine).

2) My photos attached to contacts aren't all showing. Adding new contacts doesn't necessarily mean they will be displayed (I'm over photos displaying correctly in Agendus so at this point I don't care).

3) When using custom fonts and scrolling all the way down in Journal view there the last line looks like a black bar of junk.

4) It still crashes when changing categories in Contacts edit or Memos when using a skinning app (your bug since NO other app I use crashes in this situation).

5) Trying to auto-update tells you there is a new version (12.00 is yours, new is 12.0) but it is the same version after you reinstall.

6) The radio status indicator isn't visible in Journal view.

These are just the ones I've ran into with very limited use today. If I spent a whole day testing I bet I could find 100 bugs.

Now, the primary issue is probably that if you don't get bugs from the beta testers, you don't know they exist. So the beta looks solid but there is no comprehensive testing from the beta program, just anecdotal testing from unpaid volunteers. How many paid QA engineers you have at Iambic working on Agendus, do you have test plans and test cases? Is there an internal paid staff to do this or is the volunteer staff generally it? It is commercial software after all. If you did improve quality it would be much easier to recommend your products without the caveats that you have some issues with quality.Not to worry, this sort of thing is typical of Agendus when first released post beta. In 6 months, they'll have most of it fixed........ beta testing is in the eye of the beholder. Some might think it's still in Beta and will be for many more months.

[Zano2004]

Hi,

Are you making a flip and woefully insulting statement as a representative of Iambic or is this just your usual response when someone has a differing experience from yours regarding this particular software.

Feel free to offer up a flip response here also but I really find your comments in the past when people have responded with less than glowing comments about Agendus.

You are entitled to your opinion and your experiences but please do not insult others for theirs and expressing it here.

Either as a representative of Iambic or just a fan, I would have expected to see you conduct yourself in a matter that reflects positively on yourself and on the software you are touting the positive qualities of.


DavidJohn is a nice guy, but he has a job to do. He isn't doing his work for iambic for free...... As one who recommended him for team membership, I think he just needs to hone his attack skills a bit more....... :rolleyes:

[harpgliss]

I think he just needs to hone his attack skills a bit more....... :rolleyes:

Hi,

Why would he want to attack anyone who may have a differing opinion of a software program?

If he is working for Iambic and this is how he is representing Iambic, I, as Iambic would not be happy.

My thinking is you do not want to alienate a customer or potential customer by insulting them.

Just does not make good business sense.

My comments here are to hope that wellsjs does not continue to put himself and iambic in a bad light.

Attacking customers is not benefiting Iambic or wellsjs.

David

[wellsjs]

Hi,

Are you making a flip and woefully insulting statement as a representative of Iambic or is this just your usual response when someone has a differing experience from yours regarding this particular software.

Feel free to offer up a flip response here also but I really find your comments in the past when people have responded with less than glowing comments about Agendus.

You are entitled to your opinion and your experiences but please do not insult others for theirs and expressing it here.

Either as a representative of Iambic or just a fan, I would have expected to see you conduct yourself in a matter that reflects positively on yourself and on the software you are touting the positive qualities of.


DavidI see neither an attack or an insult in my response. You are certainly free to have a different opinion. Compare what I said to:
I hate the way they make you pay for bug fixes, I beleive they add the bugs to generate revenue.Now there's an attack and an insult, both unsubstantiated. iambic doesn't MAKE anyone pay for anything first of all. Second, how would adding bugs generate revenue? That makes no sense at all. The statement indicates a lack of knowledge of the process in generating successive builds that fix problems in a prioritized fashion, and at some point introducing new features you've been working on and making the next build a major version change. That's the way iambic and most other developers/companies do it. There's always going to be someone unhappy because their bug (that only they and two other people have experienced) didn't get fixed. I don't want new features delayed for those kind of bugs . . . sorry!

I went on to explain some of that a little differently in my response you call an attack and insult. If anyone has done a knee-jerk attack it is you, David. There have been many legitimate grips about Agendus/iambic that I have either not responded to or responded to positively, because there was truth and fact in the complaint, unlike the "flame" above.

BTW, I have seen the most positive, pleased, complimentary group (overall) of beta testers of 12.0 beta that I've ever seen in 5+ years of association with iambic. I guess there will always be the detractors however. :(

[braj]

Unfortunately my perception is that Iambic is more interested in getting a new version out than fixing existing issues, and they do release bug-filled versions that would not make it out the door from most reasonable developers. I wouldn't even seriously consider that they introduce bugs to drive revenue, but I would say they release before they are ready either because a) they want to make some new sales and upgrades or b) they don't test properly so therefore don't know what needs fixing.

I upgraded fast (first one I think ;) ) because I wanted the projects and journal functionality, but not for a moment did I think it would be an improvement in stability over the buggy, buggy, shameful disgrace in lack of quality that is V11.

When someone says you have to pay for bug fixes, it's is because once a release is done very little is done to support it in the way of maintenance releases. And you aren't guaranteed the old bug will even be fixed after upgrade.

I paid the upgrade fee, so I have every right to be critical. If Iambic cared they would listen to people like me.

[braj]

It sure would be nice to have the 'Check for updates' to be a really meaningful feature instead of wishful thinking :(

[Zano2004]

Hi,

Why would he want to attack anyone who may have a differing opinion of a software program?

If he is working for Iambic and this is how he is representing Iambic, I, as Iambic would not be happy.

My thinking is you do not want to alienate a customer or potential customer by insulting them.

Just does not make good business sense.

My comments here are to hope that wellsjs does not continue to put himself and iambic in a bad light.

Attacking customers is not benefiting Iambic or wellsjs.

DavidI was being sarcastic..... I can understanding them hunting us down if we were being critical on the iambic forum........... but over here too?

They seek to hush us up because what we say has more truth than what they say about Agendus being so great. As they say: "Kill the messenger'.

I actually can relate to what they are doing. In fact I got fired from the iambic team after taking on a detracter. They get wound up when customers get ticked off from trying to deal with a messed-up program (Agendus). Lots of people are unhappy with the bug fix releases that they have to pay for.

The solution to everyone's problem is changing the attitude of iambic's management. The iambic team isn't going to do anything about it because they work for iambic.......... or want to.

[wellsjs]

Unfortunately my perception is that Iambic is more interested in getting a new version out than fixing existing issues, and they do release bug-filled versions that would not make it out the door from most reasonable developers. I wouldn't even seriously consider that they introduce bugs to drive revenue, but I would say they release before they are ready either because a) they want to make some new sales and upgrades or b) they don't test properly so therefore don't know what needs fixing.

I upgraded fast (first one I think ;) ) because I wanted the projects and journal functionality, but not for a moment did I think it would be an improvement in stability over the buggy, buggy, shameful disgrace in lack of quality that is V11.

When someone says you have to pay for bug fixes, it's is because once a release is done very little is done to support it in the way of maintenance releases. And you aren't guaranteed the old bug will even be fixed after upgrade.

I paid the upgrade fee, so I have every right to be critical. If Iambic cared they would listen to people like me.Now here's an example of a fair statement that I may not agree with, but wouldn't think of "attacking" as I'm told I just did (but don't agree that it was an attack)l. Having been on the inside of iambic support, let me just say that there are far more exuberantly "happy campers" with the Agendus application than there are unsatisfied ones. Mileage varies based on many things: conflicting applications, left-over uninstalled application fragments, corrupt PIM databases, etc. It is impossible for iambic to address every single hickup experienced with Agendus, especially when it cannot be reproduced and/or only a very few people experience it.

The focus after a new release is to go after reproducible bugs affecting many people. Then it's a matter of continuing to go after the next level of severity/broad impacting bugs and so on down the line. As stated before, with Palm/Sony different OS's, unlimited combinations of potentially conflicting applications, DAs, hacks, overclocking, etc. etc, it's an extremely tough job to eliminate all bugs that everyone experiences and make everyone happy. I run a pretty clean machine and have very, very few glitches, with Agendus or any applications.

[Zano2004]

Unfortunately my perception is that Iambic is more interested in getting a new version out than fixing existing issues, and they do release bug-filled versions that would not make it out the door from most reasonable developers. I wouldn't even seriously consider that they introduce bugs to drive revenue, but I would say they release before they are ready either because a) they want to make some new sales and upgrades or b) they don't test properly so therefore don't know what needs fixing.

I upgraded fast (first one I think ;) ) because I wanted the projects and journal functionality, but not for a moment did I think it would be an improvement in stability over the buggy, buggy, shameful disgrace in lack of quality that is V11.

When someone says you have to pay for bug fixes, it's is because once a release is done very little is done to support it in the way of maintenance releases. And you aren't guaranteed the old bug will even be fixed after upgrade.

I paid the upgrade fee, so I have every right to be critical. If Iambic cared they would listen to people like me.
It's all about cash flow. It's a business. Some businesses, as you observed, would never do as iambic does. As long as customers keep paying for upgrades such as they are, iambiic will continue doing as they please. If all customers stopped paying for bug fixes, apparently iambic would go under. Lots of us have tried to wake them up because we liked Agendus (at least at one time) or see potential. iambic is more about gimmicks than substance. Add a few quickie new features that are easier than finding and fixxing bugs is the order of the day it seems.

I think things are getting worse, not better, which means that our trying to wake therm up is having no positive effect.

[BrentDC]

While an Iambic representative is viewing, will Iambic be willing to purchase my hand drawn icons from me? (Icons in exchange for your software?) PM me if Iambic is interested :)

[braj]

People don't use clean systems, they use dirty systems. You test with both and fix bugs you find in both.

Iambic HAS a quality problem, denying it does a disservice to us all. This is why companies hire consultants from outside their organization to tell them what's wrong and who should be fired because they won't be honest with themselves.

I shouldn't find a half-dozen bugs in a half hour of use after installing a new release.

[braj]

I just wanted to say that I really like Agendus and therefore I spend some energy trying to make it better by doing what beta testing I can, participating in their forums, and yes, complaining when necessary. The truth is people have a right to gripe at Iambic for quality issues. Wellsjs, sometimes it really seems you are a bit too in the camp of the company and not the consumer. Do they pay you?

[braj]

I actually meant to point out that the whole purpose companies *should use* public beta programs is to test on dirty systems. Not to do their functional testing (that is very bad for quality!). A secondary reason is for marketing, so you an get some buzz in the market and build anticipation. But it should be primarily to find those random scenarios that happen in the wild.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

WOW! wellsjs, I am just amazed at your statements above in response to my first post in this thread.

Clearly you and I are very different in how we choose to deal with people who have differing opinions than our own.

On the "knee-jerk attack" comment in your post,, I think my post was both well thought out and exactly on point not attacking you but your handling of how you deal with detractors of Agendus.

Did I think my post would change how you deal with others in this area? No but I was sincerely hoping it would give you pause before you repeat the same type of posts that I quoted in my post above.

To Zano2004, my aplogies for not picking up the sarcastic tone in your post.

Also apologies for taking this thread offtopic but sometimes things need to be said.

I think I have said my piece here and hope this thread gets back on track with constructive posts and no more "knee-jerk attacks".

David

[wellsjs]

Do they pay you?Not in the last several months due to mutual agreement . . . my job/life became too busy! :)

Believe me, I complained internally as well about processes and procedures and overall, I think they are making progress. Beta testing is good and necessary, but typically you get customers who are advanced users and it's just a sub-set of the overall market. Also typically, many bugs are ID'd and eliminated, so the beta versions are running pretty smooth with that subset. So what's left to do but go public. And EVERY TIME the first month or so is chaotic because the larger base has a much more diverse environment of 3rd party apps, DAs, devices, OS versions, and they are less savy as a whole than the beta group. So how do you become pro-active to bugs that are the result of some wild combination of the above variables, unless you go public? ;)
Clearly you and I are very different in how we choose to deal with people who have differing opinions than our own.
harpgliss - yes, I guess we are just wired differently and have to agree to disagree on this one. For the most part I have appreciated your input in this forum over the years. My point is I don't react to legitimate complaints negatively, but I do SOMETIMES react to ad nauseam attacks with ad nauseam replys ( :D ), such as the case in point.

[stevec]

I'll not repeat previous posts in this thread that give clear reasons why any software will never be totally bug free. Iambic haven't always been squeaky clean in their customer relations - not through any deliberate policy, I suspect, but through their software being so widely used that they didn't have the resources to cope; they've learned from that and are now very responsive - especially on their own support forums (where bugs should be reported - and a temporary fix for my particular problem was posted there yesterday).

I just have to ask some of those who complain about Agendus releases always being bug-ridden and getting charged for each update - why do you still use it? If you think the program is unstable, buggy and feel iambic doesn't treat its customers properly, don't pay for the privilege of being treated so badly. And, as far as the charge goes, I look upon the $9.95 as a license fee - which is a lot less than I pay for other apps that get used far less.

[bulls96]

has it been really that buggy?

havent tried it yet. I have a LD so i am very careful now with regards to apps...

[wellsjs]

has it been really that buggy?

havent tried it yet. I have a LD so i am very careful now with regards to apps...Yes, the LD and TX are the most difficult devices I've dealt with in tech support. I feel for you owners of those. It's a good practice to do a full backup prior to trying any new software. Having done that, you could trial Agendus with the ability to revert back to prior to installation condition if you did run into problems. ;)

[Zano2004]

I'll not repeat previous posts in this thread that give clear reasons why any software will never be totally bug free. Iambic haven't always been squeaky clean in their customer relations - not through any deliberate policy, I suspect, but through their software being so widely used that they didn't have the resources to cope; they've learned from that and are now very responsive - especially on their own support forums (where bugs should be reported - and a temporary fix for my particular problem was posted there yesterday).

I just have to ask some of those who complain about Agendus releases always being bug-ridden and getting charged for each update - why do you still use it? If you think the program is unstable, buggy and feel iambic doesn't treat its customers properly, don't pay for the privilege of being treated so badly. And, as far as the charge goes, I look upon the $9.95 as a license fee - which is a lot less than I pay for other apps that get used far less.Clearly, people complain in an attempt to get iambic to change their ways. People can complain and still like the product. Myself, I'll not load it for a few more months when it is more stable than it is now. And I'll pay the $9.95 for the bug fix.

Remaining silent about problems is what some like to do, but with silence, iambic would never know...... and thus change would NEVER have even a chance...... Some also need to blow off steam. Better to do that to whomsoever is causing the steam than some innocent bystander.....

[wellsjs]

Some also need to blow off steam. Better to do that to whomsoever is causing the steam than some innocent bystander.....You mean . . . like . . . me? :p :D

[Zano2004]

You mean . . . like . . . me? :p :DMy friend, I am a FIRM believer in steaming those who steam me. It is totally unfair to steam anyone but the steaming idiot who started it....... so don't bark at the wife for me steaming you.......... turn it around. This is something Bush can't comprehend........

So it is only fair that we naysayers who get p.o.ed about paying for bug fixes to turn the steam onto iambic..........:D :p :p and you iFTM types should want to steam iambic too.......... they started it.

[wellsjs]

My friend, I am a FIRM believer in steaming those who steam me. It is totally unfair to steam anyone but the steaming idiot who started it....... so don't bark at the wife for me steaming you.......... turn it around. This is something Bush can't comprehend........

So it is only fair that we naysayers who get p.o.ed about paying for bug fixes to turn the steam onto iambic..........:D :p :p and you iFTM types should want to steam iambic too.......... they started it.I guess that was a compliment . . . taking out all the words except "friend," FIRM believer," I'll take it as one anyway! :)

[Zano2004]

I guess that was a compliment . . . taking out all the words except "friend," FIRM believer," I'll take it as one anyway! :)Is everything going well in your world?

[wellsjs]

Absolutely blessed! God is good . . . all the time. All the time . . . God is good! BTW, knowing you are a VT alum and my son attended VT for his first semester, my heart was heavy with sorrow and still is for the victims of that senseless tragedy. I sat in a room in that very building (Engineering) with my son at orientation and he had classes there. Chilling!!!!

[Zano2004]

Absolutely blessed! God is good . . . all the time. All the time . . . God is good! BTW, knowing you are a VT alum and my son attended VT for his first semester, my heart was heavy with sorrow and still is for the victims of that senseless tragedy. I sat in a room in that very building (Engineering) with my son at orientation and he had classes there. Chilling!!!!I had statics and strengths of materials in one of the class rooms in Norris where so many were killed. I walked past or through that building a couple of times every day the entire time I was there. I think the administration is white washing the whole thing....... something could and should have been done about that kid long before he did his thing.

The firm I'm with is almost entirely VT grads. It was a sad few days. One of our new interns graduated from there last month. He knew a couple of those killed. There's really not a lot to be said about it. Everyone is sick about it.

[kennyd]

Will the new journal views and features be available on the windows desktop versions. I have been wanting these features for some time now and am excited about seeing movement in that direction.

[braj]

Will the new journal views and features be available on the windows versions. I have been wanting these features for some time now and am excited about seeing movement in that direction.

I'm just hoping they make it into the button rotation options, right now Journal, Trips and Projects have to me are nice but you have to launch Agendus and click and navigate through the views, and the highlighting to do this isn't so prominent either. It's kind of a pain and makes using a stylus the easy way to do it on a Treo :(

[braj]

Yep, alarm goes off, Treo crashes, TraceCrash says StringMgr.c, Line:68, MULL string passed. Nice!

[Zano2004]

What? Agendus has a bug? But, it's out of beta testing, how could that be? :rolleyes: :eek:

[StuGib]

Will the new journal views and features be available on the windows desktop versions. I have been wanting these features for some time now and am excited about seeing movement in that direction.

This has overtaken the bugs etc as my pet peeve with Agendus now. I understand they're primarily a mobile software company and resources are limited, especially when they start branching out to new platforms and apps, but when I bought Agendus (at v8 IIRC) the Windows/Palm apps were pretty much in sync feature-wise. I specifically bought it, and moved from Datebk5, as a package because I wanted the same features on desktop as Palm. But the Windows desktop app has hardly moved (apart from improving the look and things like contact history window) for the life of a couple of Palm releases now.

I can live with a time lag between Palm/Windows releases, but the desktop version always seems to take a back seat to a new Palm release or two. The Palm version, ironically, becomes less useful/appealing to me, the more features they add to it, when I can't use those features on the desktop, where I'm working for 90% of my work day.

[Zano2004]

It seems to me that Mobile Windows devices have become the favorite child at iambic and everything else seems to be taking a back seat. Not only was Palm OS Agendus 12 given a very short beta, but the new features seem slim in comparison to previous releases. I have thought they were having a cash flow problem in the past. Recent events may mena that it isn't getting any better.

[starbuckk]

As a developer myself, I can attest to the fact that bug free software is a myth. Agendus has done a great job and it is my most used software on my Palm. And it impresses the heck out of me that they are actually here following the discussion groups. You won't find many vendors doing that.

[Zano2004]

There are more bugs in a new post beta Agendus than in all the other software on my 680 and my PC.

[bulls96]

My LifeDrive has been working pretty well with the new update. Its noticably quicker to launch now. The problem i had was with the Agendus Mail SSL. Which is a diff story :)

Sorry to hear about the Treo 680 problems. I have been thinking of getting one... this is definitely a point against that.

[Zano2004]

My LifeDrive has been working pretty well with the new update. Its noticably quicker to launch now. The problem i had was with the Agendus Mail SSL. Which is a diff story :)

Sorry to hear about the Treo 680 problems. I have been thinking of getting one... this is definitely a point against that.Please don't interpret my comments as meaning a 680 is having problems with 12. I haven't even loaded it yet. I am glad to hear that the speed has improved for you. I'm also having some trouble with SSL, but I need to get the carrier settings right first.

[Zano2004]

My previous post was # 666....... I can't leave that stand too long as it might attract unwanted attention.

[starbuckk]

Since Iambic is apparently listening here, let me echo the fact that the desktop application really needs a major update. The new project featues and even the trip wizard that has been around awhile in the Palm version do not carry over. They need to.
Projects, Trips etc, should work in the Desktop. It is after all the main reason for purchasing it..to coordinate with the PDA.

[anniebluesky]

I'm still a die hard Agendus user! :D One of those apps that I can't do without. Right now I just got Version 12 and am trying to figure out some of the features. Does Iambic have an online manual anywhere? That would be a great help. One feature that has me baffled is the walkthrough. What is it exactly and how do you use it?

BTW, I still have my NX80. Put a new battery in it last week. What an ordeal. Hard resets, tears. I thought I lost her. :eek: But, she is up and running like a champ again due to some fancy maneuvering with BackupMan, JackFlash and my MS card.

So, back to the question...walkthrough infomation anyone???

[braj]

Walkthru: this is to create a checklist for a meeting. You create it in the meeting nore by using a hyphen and space before the item, as if it were a ordered list. Then when you look at the meeting card view the hyphen will be interpreted by Agendus as a checkbox, which you can mark off. This is really handy for making meeting agendas. I also use it for mini shopping lists. Pretty cool and useful.

[wellsjs]

Actually, Walkthrough (as braj briefly outlined) is covered in the current downloadable manual on page 35. The manual has not been updated with the V12 new features yet however.

I don't think you need a space, so if in a new note you typed:

-Check mail
-Buy milk
-Kick the dog

you would create a checklist with checkboxes in front of the text instead of the "-" in the card view.

[braj]

Kick the dog? C'mon, that just ain't Christian :D

[Zano2004]

John kicks his dog? :eek: :eek:

[wellsjs]

Kick the dog? C'mon, that just ain't Christian :DJust checking to see who's awake! :D I don't even have a dog at this time. My beloved pup died a couple of years ago and haven't found another I want. :(

[braj]

Just checking to see who's awake! :D I don't even have a dog at this time. My beloved pup died a couple of years ago and haven't found another I want. :(

And we all know how he died too!

[BrentDC]

LOL braj, that was funny, I was going to post the same thing.

[anniebluesky]

Thanks for the walkthrough information. I'll play around with that feature.

Another question. It seems that agendus now makes automatic journal entries from meetings and todos. Correct? I would like to assign an icon to the journal entry. Is that possible?

I don't know if that is a new feature or not. It had been awhile since I updated agendus, so it could be older features that I'm just now discovering.

The online manual...from the iambic site?

[Zano2004]

And we all know how he died too!The same thing came to mind, but I didn't want to pick on John........:D

[braj]

Journal entries all show up under one untimed meeting called 'Daily Journal <date>. It has an icon already (though you can change this icon in the Vivid Agenda settings, it is the first item).

I really like the journal list view BTW though I wish you could set it to launch from a key or have it be part of the cycle during key presses.

[braj]

The same thing came to mind, but I didn't want to pick on John........:D

Hey man, he asked for it, kicking his dog and all. John, you, you.... dog kicker!

[Zano2004]

Hey man, he asked for it, kicking his dog and all. John, you, you.... dog kicker!I would have never figured John to be a dog kicker........... :rolleyes: :eek:

[braj]

I would have never figured John to be a dog kicker........... :rolleyes: :eek:

"He was quiet and kept to himself. Who would have ever thought it, he seemed like such a nice boy."

[Zano2004]

"He was quiet and kept to himself. Who would have ever thought it, he seemed like such a nice boy."He fooled us all........:rolleyes: :D

[wellsjs]

Yippie, I've succeeded in diverting your bashing iambic to bashing me! All in a day's work! :D :p

[braj]

Yippie, I've succeeded in diverting your bashing iambic to bashing me! All in a day's work! :D :p

Who was bashing Iambic? I have valid gripes:) Now you, we were definitely bashing you :p

[Zano2004]

Yippie, I've succeeded in diverting your bashing iambic to bashing me! All in a day's work! :D :pBashing Agendus? Not me! Have you stopped beating your dog?.......:rolleyes:

[Zano2004]

Who was bashing Iambic? I have valid gripes:) Now you, we were definitely bashing you :pDon't you know valid gripes are not allowed, thus it is called bashing. They even censor their forum for such things............. a mark of a good product............:rolleyes: :eek:

[Zano2004]

Journal entries all show up under one untimed meeting called 'Daily Journal <date>. It has an icon already (though you can change this icon in the Vivid Agenda settings, it is the first item).

I really like the journal list view BTW though I wish you could set it to launch from a key or have it be part of the cycle during key presses.How in the world can this be called "bashing"?

[wellsjs]

How in the world can this be called "bashing"?Keep yankin' the chain Zan! :( In your famous words . . . blah blah blah . . . blah blah blah! :D

[Zano2004]

Keep yankin' the chain Zan! :( In your famous words . . . blah blah blah . . . blah blah blah! :DGood answer to a fair question John.

[wellsjs]

Good answer to a fair question John.Ditto to your same treatment of harpgliss's questions to you, Zan. And I clearly recognize useful, intelligent dialog like the quoted response by braj vs. much of the ranting, bashing. I suspect you can distinguish the two as well but since you are party to the ranting/bashing at times, you prefer not to! :p :)

[harpgliss]

Hi,

Wellsjs, yes, when I got that response I decided it was time to bow out of that thread.

My time is more important than to deal with responses like that.

As for using or not using Agendus or to upgrade or not, I do not remember Iambic reaching into anyones wallet and forcing anyone to buy it.

If it is buggy, do not use it and do what Zano2004 states he has done, uninstall it.

They do have a trial version and you should be able to tell if it works for you in the trial period.

If they do not fix bugs, do not upgrade, do not support them, very simple solution.

But to rant here and the many other threads here instead of taking these issues to Iambic is counter productive and I would assume very frustrating when issues are not fixed.

I am not part of Iambic and do not agree with some of their policies but if I feel the need to address these, I would take them to Iambic, not some forum where my issue may get addressed or not.

David

[Zano2004]

Ditto to your same treatment of harpgliss's questions to you, Zan. And I clearly recognize useful, intelligent dialog like the quoted response by braj vs. much of the ranting, bashing. I suspect you can distinguish the two as well but since you are party to the ranting/bashing at times, you prefer not to! :p :)He wasn't bashing Agendus...... maybe you playfully....... you should lighten-up.

[Zano2004]

My time is more important than to deal with responses like that.
Exactly......

[braj]

Personally I find addressing Iambic and other developer's issues both in their forums and in the world in general is a better strategy because they don't want bad PR. If you only do it in their forum, guess what, they can delete your posts. I rather have control over the message.

[Zano2004]

Personally I find addressing Iambic and other developer's issues both in their forums and in the world in general is a better strategy because they don't want bad PR. If you only do it in their forum, guess what, they can delete your posts. I rather have control over the message.Exactly......... I can't say about all forums since I participate in only two or three now. But, you have the correct picture about the iambic forum. They have and do delete posts that may reflect negatively on iambic or their products. One can understand doing that with the really, really hostile posts, but they have recently taken to censoring posts that are only negative. Even if they hadn't done this, posting to general forums like 1Scr is a good idea, if for no other reason than to get the views of people who no longer participate in the iambic forum but have experience with iambic products.

[wellsjs]

they have recently taken to censoring posts that are only negative.It only takes a casual "stroll" through the iambic forums to completely refudiate this egregious claim, Zan. At least try to make plausable statements. :p :D

He wasn't bashing Agendus...... maybe you playfully....... you should lighten-up.I was planning to until you fueled the fire with . . .

How in the world can this be called "bashing"?I don't have a problem with braj. I don't have a problem with "playfully" "bashing" me. I do have a problem with some of your egregious, unsubstantiable claims against iambic, fueled by your being offended because they let you go, because you refused a meeting request by "the boss" to try to resolve an issue. Maybe it was because you've been self-employed and don't do "the boss" thing real well, but when the boss says, "we need to talk" in a crisis situation, and you respond with "no," well . . . most people wouldn't think of doing that! I can't think of any place I've worked where such action would not result in the same reaction by managment!

[Zano2004]

It only takes a casual "stroll" through the iambic forums to completely refudiate this egregious claim, Zan. At least try to make plausable statements. :p :D
I have a copy of Adriano's post of a few days ago about this very subject that was in the "Team Lounge", which is not available to the public, which you are well aware. Your statement tells me a lot about you John.............

[wellsjs]

I guess I just can't read then, 'cause I just cruised around the forums and saw plenty of negative stuff. Adriano's post was addressing cleaning up useless, non-valuable bashing type posts . . . like this entire thread! :p :D

[braj]

We will not be silenced! :p

[Zano2004]

I guess I just can't read then, 'cause I just cruised around the forums and saw plenty of negative stuff. Adriano's post was addressing cleaning up useless, non-valuable bashing type posts . . . like this entire thread! :p :DWhat a load of "stuff".
Perhaps you're right John, you just can't read. That would explain a lot.

[Zano2004]

We will not be silenced! :pJohn must be desperate.

[braj]

John must be desperate.

It isn't nice to talk about his lovelife like that :p

[Zano2004]

It isn't nice to talk about his lovelife like that :p:rolleyes: :eek: :D Now, now....... I would never do that.:D

[Ou_Boet]

A quick question for those that have tried the new version. Is it faster than the last?

I'm a big fan of Agendus (not necessarily iambic though). However, each version seems to run slower than the last - understandable as the program involves and does so much more each time. But when I upgraded to v11, I decided that I'd got about as slow as I'd accept. I reached this point once before with my HE, stopped at v6 (should have stopped at v5 as v6 was really just to slow). It was only after I got a TX that I upgraded again.

Regards

OB

[braj]

It is (relatively) a lot faster, I would say v12 is a good upgrade. Of course, the speed issues should have been addressed when they surfaced as usability bugs, waiting 10 seconds for your datebook to launch isn't acceptable at all. You shouldn't have had to wait two or three paid upgrade cycles to have them addressed.

[Zano2004]

I've gotten real happy with the built in PIM applications...... it's hard to beat INSTANT (780+ Contacts database)....... and without crashes......... :D (I never tried 12. I just dumped Agendus.

If stating the FACTS is bashing......... BASH BASH BASH :eek: :eek: :eek:

p.s. BASH BASH BASH

[WeirdHero]

I purchased agendus 11 in the past and was horrified with the amount of bugs.
There were many critical issues in repeating tasks/appointments between the desktop component and the palm OS software that werent being addressed.
I gave up and returned to datebk.
I dont see why i should give them another chance, especially when they will charge 10$ for it.
:mad:

[braj]

I purchased agendus 11 in the past and was horrified with the amount of bugs.
There were many critical issues in repeating tasks/appointments between the desktop component and the palm OS software that werent being addressed.
I gave up and returned to datebk.
I dont see why i should give them another chance, especially when they will charge 10$ for it.
:mad:

It's hard to argue with that.

[braj]

I've gotten real happy with the built in PIM applications...... it's hard to beat INSTANT (780+ Contacts database)....... and without crashes......... :D (I never tried 12. I just dumped Agendus.

If stating the FACTS is bashing......... BASH BASH BASH :eek: :eek: :eek:

p.s. BASH BASH BASH

If only I wasn't addicted to pretty icons, backgrounds and color coding... but seriously there is lots to like in Agendus, just the bugs aren't one of them.

[Zano2004]

If only I wasn't addicted to pretty icons, backgrounds and color coding... but seriously there is lots to like in Agendus, just the bugs aren't one of them.Yes, there ARE some good things about Agendus. I wouldn't have used it or participated in the forums for so long if there weren't. But, as I've said, all the new features and the bugs that come with them have ruined a good thing. To my way of thinking, technology (Agendus, etc.) should make life better (as in easier), not worse (as in complicated, frustraiting and time consuming). iambic's attitude is that customers should "love" Agendus at ALL costs. I'm a big techno-freak, but there is a limit. Agendus and iambic just aren't worth it for me ANYMORE.

BASH.... BASH..... BASH....... :D

p.s. BASH ... BASH ... BASH :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[Shrink]

Wow, you guys have a lot of stamina.
alan

[braj]

Wow, you guys have a lot of stamina.
alan

I wish my wife would say that :D

[Zano2004]

I wish my wife would say that :DMe too....... I can identify with it....... LOL :D :D :eek:

[wellsjs]

I'm starting to worry about you Zan. Don't you have anything going on in life at the moment? Obsessive / compulsive comes to mind! :p :D

[Zano2004]

I'm starting to worry about you Zan. Don't you have anything going on in life at the moment? Obsessive / compulsive comes to mind! :p :DI'm not the one who is obsessed with Agendus........ Have you stopped kicking your dog? :eek:

[LupeValenz]

Have they done away with the misc writing in the notes area when you add icons? I just HATE that!

[braj]

Have they done away with the misc writing in the notes area when you add icons? I just HATE that!

Nope, definitely haven't. I only hate it if I try and leave Iambic's evil grip. Damn you Iambic, and your dark heart!
:rolleyes:

[LupeValenz]

Nope, definitely haven't. I only hate it if I try and leave Iambic's evil grip. Damn you Iambic, and your dark heart!
:rolleyes:

Curses! (errrr have to make longer message....this long enough? :D)