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Joel

06-04-2007, 02:09 AM

Paper (Letter size), CD case, iPhone, and Treo 680 sizes were used in Sizeasy to come up with this 3D size comparison. [details (http://www.1src.com/?m=show&id=1910)]

ballistic

06-04-2007, 05:16 AM

Here's another one with a DVD case.

permalink (http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/2122)

Brian

JAmerican

06-04-2007, 06:12 AM

Here's another one with a DVD case.

permalink (http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/2122)

Brian

In my opinion, if it did more, a size comparison would mean something. Being that its for email only, its a bulky device. While I don't like where the first one is heading, I do look forward to the second and third models.

JAmerican

Joel

06-04-2007, 07:31 AM

LanMan

06-04-2007, 08:45 AM

The size kinda reminds me of the LandWare GoType.

JAmerican

06-04-2007, 09:07 AM

Thanks Brian!

JA, email only? I'm planning to use the Foleo also for web browsing, spreadsheets, and word processing plus probably also presentations (PowerPoint and Opera's slideshow capability)... which is already the core applications I use with my MacBook Pro. The Foleo's size is a welcome "downgrade."

Sizeasy MBP vs. Foleo (http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/2123)

I don't have the money for a device thats capable of only doing email, office, and web browsing. It has to do multimedia as well as remote desktoping. Not to forget support Palm OS Garnet applications.

As I've said before I got my PowerBook 15" for $600.

JAmerican

tonyreynolds

06-04-2007, 10:47 AM

Wow, Joel, quick change on the ol' avatar there...

I think the size comparison is a good thing. It's not the SIZE of the Foleo that is putting me off, but the perceived lack of stand-alone functionality. If I get one, I want it to be a PDA replacement on its own. I already own three laptops; I don't need a laptop replacement...

Tony

archangel

06-04-2007, 10:52 AM

I love the size of the Foleo, I just want more programs on it.

tonyreynolds

06-04-2007, 11:03 AM

http://bp2.blogger.com/_ZKlSQm2j7TI/Rl4EbsDAiyI/AAAAAAAAAfE/sm8J9Wp4N2I/s400/foleovsshift.jpg

tonyreynolds

06-04-2007, 11:19 AM

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/2127

http://lh4.google.com/image/images.treynolds/RmQ8jJeb7vI/AAAAAAAAACE/sDPlfIFJClY/Foleo%20Size%20Comp.jpg

Foleo --> HTC Shift --> HTC Advantage --> TH55

:)

Tony

Joel

06-04-2007, 04:24 PM

Thanks Tony. The only concern I have with UMPC's is battery life. For the Shift for example, Vista+3G=battery slurper in my opinion. :)

If I really need full laptop capabilities, then I'd always turn to my MacBook Pro. The Foleo is the device that's in between my MBP and Treo.

I just saw the iPhone commercials and it made me ask. What ultramobile device will Apple come up next? They have to announce something "different" this January at Macworld. :)

Joel

06-04-2007, 04:26 PM

Wow, Joel, quick change on the ol' avatar there...
For the record, my main PDA is still a TH55/E :) If I find a good enough avatar, I'll change that Foleo one. I just loved that picture when I saw it...

tonyreynolds

06-04-2007, 05:15 PM

If I get the gumption, I'll take a picture of the top of my Conair hair clipper case. It's black and rippled just like the Foleo... (and two years old). Maybe Jeff was staring at his clippers every morning in the bathroom like me and thought, "That's it! That's the perfect industrial design for my new product!"

:D

Tony

Modnar

06-05-2007, 03:12 AM

ballistic

06-05-2007, 05:17 AM

Yeah the lack of what it cna do at the moment is worrying.. But at has some potential

Except when compared to this ...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-intros-nanobook-ultra-mobile-device-600-ultraportable-lap/

That still runs Windows, the biggest thing going against it. The Foleo was designed from the "ground up" as an ultra-portable that *doesn't* run Windows with it's baggage (power requirements, malware, complexity, etc). Vista was not designed for low power devices, and that's the OS Microsoft is cramming down OEM's throats.

If you read this interview with Jeff Hawkins (http://news.com.com/The+best+idea+Jeff+Hawkins+ever+had/2008-1041_3-6188188.html?tag=news.2), he believes that merely shrinking down a Windows-based PC into an ultra-portable is the wrong solution to mobile (and personal) computing.

Brian

Gazpacho

06-05-2007, 02:28 PM

And it's thin, don't forget that. Since it has to accomodate a full keyboard and a 10" screen, size is just sizable.

Bionic Antboy

06-05-2007, 03:02 PM

That still runs Windows, the biggest thing going against it. The Foleo was designed from the "ground up" as an ultra-portable that *doesn't* run Windows with it's baggage (power requirements, malware, complexity, etc). Vista was not designed for low power devices, and that's the OS Microsoft is cramming down OEM's throats.

If you read this interview with Jeff Hawkins (http://news.com.com/The+best+idea+Jeff+Hawkins+ever+had/2008-1041_3-6188188.html?tag=news.2), he believes that merely shrinking down a Windows-based PC into an ultra-portable is the wrong solution to mobile (and personal) computing.

Brian
Windows in an ultra-portable MAY be the wrong idea, but that doesn't mean that Hawkins' Foleo is the RIGHT one, esp at $600.

Also announced on Engadget today is something remarkably similar to the VIA ultraportable coming out from Asus, with a starting price point of $200 (512Mb RAM, 4 GB flash storage model?). Included WiFi (b/g) and ethernet. You can choose to put full Windows/Linux on it (don't know what the options at purchase are) as well as a stripped down OS for net connectivity.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/

And since sizing is all the rage...
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/2165

Of course, Asus has to deliver it, but they're teamed up with Intel, and their aiming this directly at the consumers. No word on what else comes in the ridiculously expensive $300 model. The only thing it's missing is Bluetooth, but maybe an ad-hoc WiFi network with a phone would work.

ballistic

06-05-2007, 04:19 PM

Windows in an ultra-portable MAY be the wrong idea, but that doesn't mean that Hawkins' Foleo is the RIGHT one, esp at $600.

Also announced on Engadget today is something remarkably similar to the VIA ultraportable coming out from Asus, with a starting price point of $200 (512Mb RAM, 4 GB flash storage model?). Included WiFi (b/g) and ethernet. You can choose to put full Windows/Linux on it (don't know what the options at purchase are) as well as a stripped down OS for net connectivity.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/

And since sizing is all the rage...
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/2165

Of course, Asus has to deliver it, but they're teamed up with Intel, and their aiming this directly at the consumers. No word on what else comes in the ridiculously expensive $300 model. The only thing it's missing is Bluetooth, but maybe an ad-hoc WiFi network with a phone would work.

And if it came with Ubuntu and bluetooth with apps that integrated/synced seamlessly with your smartphone, it would be getting even more praise. How is that much different than Palm's long-term goals for the Foleo?

Mobile computing is evolving towards low power, instant-on ultraportables, however the software and application integration and usability are becoming increasingly important differentiators. Those who can built these things into the right hardware/software package will succeed. That's why Apple has been so successful. That's what Palm is trying to do with the Foleo. Palm can't do it well enough to be successful if Windows is their base OS.

Here's a quote from Alan Kay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay#Famous_quotes) that Steve Jobs like to use when talking about Apple, and I strongly believe Palm is taking the same approach:

"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

Brian

tonyreynolds

06-05-2007, 04:20 PM

Also announced on Engadget today is something remarkably similar to the VIA ultraportable coming out from Asus, with a starting price point of $200 (512Mb RAM, 4 GB flash storage model?). Included WiFi (b/g) and ethernet. You can choose to put full Windows/Linux on it (don't know what the options at purchase are) as well as a stripped down OS for net connectivity.

Yes, I saw this as well and sent a link to Joel...

I have no doubt that Asus can deliver. They're a good company.

Even IF it ended up costing the same as the Foleo, it *might* be better for my needs when traveling. I could then leave my 17" HP at home. :D

Configured with either OS and 16GB of SSHD would mean that I could use the Asus Eee as a *companion* for my digital camera, something the Foleo (as currently envisioned) might be hard-pressed to do...

Tony

Furball

06-08-2007, 08:14 AM

tonyreynolds

06-08-2007, 09:35 AM

Consider this: the Foleo is wireless internet/LAN-capable... surely you can access your windows PC either by Terminal Services or VNC... and you don't need that much computing power to do that... think thin-client here...

Ciao!

While a thin-client approach might work *most* of the time, I would never want to rely on a LAN connection for a critical presentation. I'd always want it "canned" on my device. For many people I'm sure that the Foleo, properly connected, will meet their needs, but I can see all kinds of situations where a connection, either via a paired phone or by WiFi would not be possible, and hence, no web-based apps.

Tony