DST (Daylight Saving Time) Update from Palm!

[wellsjs]

Here is the link to the long awaited DST tables update patch:

http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/dst.html

Details and questions answered in the article and link.

:)

[dante21]

Hope i am not thread jacking, but I downloaded this last week and when I went to install it on my treo it said it was done, but the icon didn't disappear. I then deleted it. I don't know if I actually did the update or not.

[blues]

I've been running mad all week trying to patch our workstations and servers here at work because of the daylight savings time changes.... I think I have everything all patched now, but there are allot of unhappy Microsoft customers because of the way they handled patching. Their refusal to support Windows 2000, their Exchange update tools error out half of the time, and they are constantly updating their white papers - even up to the last minute. They should have had this stuff ironed out months ago.

[_Em]

Indeed... I've been kind of frustrated with MS and Palm for legacy DST support; I had all my Unix servers updated months ago, and THOUGHT I had all my Windows worskations updated too... and then out come the new whitepapers. Meanwhile, I had to wait until last month to get the DST patch for PalmOS 5. Oh well... at least the OS X workstations updated smoothly. At this point, I'm figuring that it won't matter too much with the 2000 workstations, as it'll just take people back to the DST bug in Win95b, where the time randomly jumped around, and couldn't be trusted.

[Zano2004]

Seems like this new DST date was changed rather quickly and without much notice to the public.

[wellsjs]

Hope i am not thread jacking, but I downloaded this last week and when I went to install it on my treo it said it was done, but the icon didn't disappear. I then deleted it. I don't know if I actually did the update or not.One way to be sure is to install it again. It will either just overwrite, or it may even prompt you with an "are you sure you want to overwrite" message that will confirm it is installed. ;)

This DST change is interesting. It could cause more grief and disruption than Y2k!

http://news.com.com/Wake+up+to+the+daylight-saving+bug/2100-1011_3-6159840.html

[Zano2004]

The only reason I can figure for the quick change is that Bush and friends have found a way to profit from it and they are in a hurry so the rest of us won't figure it out and spoil his fun.......:rolleyes:

[phreakonaleash]

I had no clue about it... How the ... composure Phreak... How on earth does he get to change it? Why? Erg... More patches for my T|X (erm... i guess only 2 but still, this shouldn't happen so soon to the change)

And bout ms: what's new?

@zano: hahahaha! Your prolly right.

[headcronie]

What? Win 2k isn't being patched? G'damn.. I'm so sick of MS. I'll have to explain that to my relatives that have this OS. *mutter*

[wellsjs]

The only reason I can figure for the quick change is that Bush and friends have found a way to profit from it and they are in a hurry so the rest of us won't figure it out and spoil his fun.......:rolleyes:Yes, Bush is responsible for global warming and world hunger too . . . give me a break! :D :p

BTW, the decision for this shift of DST was made AND ANNOUNCED about a year ago! :)

[phreakonaleash]

And the computer world is just catching up... thtat'/s real responsibvle. NOT!

[Zano2004]

Yes, Bush is responsible for global warming and world hunger too . . . give me a break! :D :p

BTW, the decision for this shift of DST was made AND ANNOUNCED about a year ago! :)A year is not long enough....... and no one said a thing about it until March 1st... Yes Bush is responsible for a lot especially if it involves ignoring something. :D :eek:

[MleB]

Yes, well...if Bush didn't go about playing Armageddon with all the oil-producing nations, he probably wouldn't feel the need to have to 'stretch' daylight in order to save on oil. Of course, that will simple mean there will be now be more longer days in which some red state yahoos will bomb around in their SUVs burning up all the oil 'saved'. This time tweak failed during the last oil crisis in the '70s and only resulted in pissing off farmers and parents - this time around we can add computer users and those who do international travel and business - so its hard to see how this helps.

Incidentally, this time tweak was made law by the US (and the more craven Canadian Provinces followed suit) two years ago - so hardly a surprise?

Meanwhile, I'm more concerned with remembering to set all my clocks back on Saturday night then worry about whether my Palm Desktop can cope....

[Zano2004]

Well I don't remember hearing about it and I'm usually well brainwashed by the news....... Or perhaps I just ignored it as I must have done in the 70's......... don't remember that one either....... maybe just a very vague memory. I was in college then so maybe I was just stoned......:rolleyes: :D :cool:

[wellsjs]

Meanwhile, I'm more concerned with remembering to set all my clocks back on Saturday night then worry about whether my Palm Desktop can cope....Yeah, even in the fall when you gain an hour, you don't really because it takes about an hour to reset all the clocks! :eek: :D :p

[Ducky_Balut]

Yes, well...if Bush didn't go about playing Armageddon with all the oil-producing nations, he probably wouldn't feel the need to have to 'stretch' daylight in order to save on oil. Of course, that will simple mean there will be now be more longer days in which some red state yahoos will bomb around in their SUVs burning up all the oil 'saved'. This time tweak failed during the last oil crisis in the '70s and only resulted in pissing off farmers and parents - this time around we can add computer users and those who do international travel and business - so its hard to see how this helps.

Incidentally, this time tweak was made law by the US (and the more craven Canadian Provinces followed suit) two years ago - so hardly a surprise?

Meanwhile, I'm more concerned with remembering to set all my clocks back on Saturday night then worry about whether my Palm Desktop can cope....

I wouldn't do that if I were you.. That'll make you two hours late :confused: :eek: :mad: :p

[MleB]

I wouldn't do that if I were you.. That'll make you two hours late :confused: :eek: :mad: :p

Yeah, well - if you've got to screw around with time, you might as well do it in a big way.

;)

Yeah, forward. I meant that....

[potter]

The only reason I can figure for the quick change is that Bush and friends have found a way to profit from it and they are in a hurry so the rest of us won't figure it out and spoil his fun.......:rolleyes:
Oh please. Several other countries are also changing their DST rules this year also. Thus it is not Bush, but the Tri-lateral Commission exercising their power show to all the world governments how much power then can exert. ordo per chaos :D

A year is not long enough....... and no one said a thing about it until March 1st... Yes Bush is responsible for a lot especially if it involves ignoring something. :D :eek:
A year would have been long enough, if people had realized the issue and started worked on it. I would more blame the press for not playing it up when this bill was being debated, and then finally passed. Also I would not directly blame Bush for this. Remember congress writes laws, not the president; and the president does not have a line item veto.

If we wish to continue the blame game, let us lay some on Microsoft for having such a poor way of representing DST rules, and for taking so long to get the patch out.

"Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes."

The DST rules have changed before. During the Energy Crisis of the Carter years there was one year that we did not shift to standard time, using daylight saving time the entire year.* UNIX providers had to scramble to release a patch to their systems for the DST rules were hard coded into the kernel. They are now typically in a table that can be edited by the administrator.

* Question: Was that by law or by executive order? I do not recall.

[MleB]

"Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes."

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.

- Economist John Kenneth Galbraith

Take your pick as to who best reflects that quote.



Meanwhile, wasn't that a Republican-controlled Congress that pushed this current mess into Law? Like Bush would veto them...


Frankly, I blame WWI for this whole Daylight Savings Time mess. People, livestock, machinery and electronics have been playing catch-up ever since.

[Zano2004]

Oh please. Several other countries are also changing their DST rules this year also. Thus it is not Bush, but the Tri-lateral Commission exercising their power show to all the world governments how much power then can exert. ordo per chaos :D


A year would have been long enough, if people had realized the issue and started worked on it. I would more blame the press for not playing it up when this bill was being debated, and then finally passed. Also I would not directly blame Bush for this. Remember congress writes laws, not the president; and the president does not have a line item veto.

If we wish to continue the blame game, let us lay some on Microsoft for having such a poor way of representing DST rules, and for taking so long to get the patch out.

"Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes."

The DST rules have changed before. During the Energy Crisis of the Carter years there was one year that we did not shift to standard time, using daylight saving time the entire year.* UNIX providers had to scramble to release a patch to their systems for the DST rules were hard coded into the kernel. They are now typically in a table that can be edited by the administrator.

* Question: Was that by law or by executive order? I do not recall.Lighten-up.........

[n0m0n]

You really dont need a patch...
I changed my DST this way:
Click on Prefs, Date&Time, Location, scroll down to the bottom of the list and select Edit List. Find your location, and change the START to Second Sunday of March and change the END to First Sunday of November. Click OK.

[Dick Tracy]

You really dont need a patch...
I changed my DST this way:
Click on Prefs, Date&Time, Location, scroll down to the bottom of the list and select Edit List. Find your location, and change the START to Second Sunday of March and change the END to First Sunday of November. Click OK.
Won't World Clock display incorrect information for other locations than where you are? What happens it you travel?

[Zano2004]

You really dont need a patch...
I changed my DST this way:
Click on Prefs, Date&Time, Location, scroll down to the bottom of the list and select Edit List. Find your location, and change the START to Second Sunday of March and change the END to First Sunday of November. Click OK.My 680 is set to take its time from the Cingular web site automatically, but, I tried your way and found that the DST Patch had already changed the DST switch to the second Sunday in March and first Sunday in November. So you must be right.

I updated my wife's Zire 71 manually using this method........ we all could have done the same thing without a patch........ I guess we ain't smart enough.....:eek:

[wellsjs]

"The patch" updates a Palm OS DB table of several hundred cities and when they observe (switch) DST. Whether you update this makes no difference for simple operation, but if you use programs like world clocks and such, it makes . . . well, about an hour difference! :D :p

[johnj2803]

i have been having problems using the network time here in the philippines. its one hour late!!

any idea how i can revert back to the orig setting?

[MleB]

Well, if you installed the DST Update, its not permanent - a Hard Reset will clear it out of the 680 and restore to the original config.

I'm guessing you'd want to clear any reference of the DST in your backup/archive files in the Palm Folder so its not put back n via a HotSync.

Mind you, the Hard Reset, it seems, will also uninstall the Camera patch (for power consumption) and the Exchange Active Sync if you've installed them - so those will need to be added back.

[johnj2803]

i just did a selective restore from my recent back up... which solved my problems :D

thanks for the tip :D

fyi... my treo already came with the camera patch and i dont use the active sync too :D hehe good for me right? :D

so another lesson to newbies :D back up before installing new updates or software... you never know what it will do to your settings.