ShowBattery 1.00

[pruss]

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

ShowBattery replaces the attention icon (exclamation mark)
in the status bar of a T3/T5/TX or LifeDrive PDA with a
battery icon. But when there is an alert, the attention
icon comes back, so no functionality is lost.

http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1654

To use, install ShowBattery.prc. ShowBattery is
a preference panel, so it will show up in your Palm's
Prefs application.

ShowBattery does not update immediately, so you may need
to wait up to about half a minute for an update of the
battery status.

If you have mySkin 2.42+ or myKbd 1.42+, you can
merge battery skins onto regular skins. BatterySkin.prc
is the battery skin that is built-into ShowBattery,
and mySkin/myKbd can recolorize it.

If you want to compile this yourself, you need the
February 7, 2007 or later cvs version of pilrc from
www.sf.net/projects/pilrc . Earlier versions do not
work. You'll have to compile pilrc yourself.

[shsmith]

ShowBattery is
a preference panel, so it will show up in your Palm's
Prefs application.
Alex,

Thanks for the release version. One minor issue: the "done" button does not return to the main prefs menu. Otherwise looking good. Thanks!

[_Em]

Excellent! And kudos on making it a prefpane :) I hope more people follow your lead.

[Shrink]

FWIW, the "done" button doesn't work on my TX.(v 1.00)
alan

[RazrTX]

I have had had 0.05a on my production TX because I wanted it to reactivate on reset and have been testing all other versions on my testing TX. Now they are both at the same version again.

Other than the "Done" button issue, which I can currently live with of course, so far no problems.

And I agree with _Em, Prefs are the way to go for things such as this once they are stable.

Razr

[FerdFerd]

This is great to see ShowBattery reach the release stage. I've had fun with the earlier stages too.

I note, as have others, that the Done button does nothing. But for the number of times I'll actually need to access it, not much of a deal.

Is there a place to get mySkin 2.42+ yet?

[_Psyborg]

Thank you Alex for this great app!

I uploaded a version of V 1.00 with T3 style graphics:
http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1655

It incorporates graphics by beemgee's former mod of V 0.05, but I have inverted the colors. So here the energy is white and the empty background is blue.

Hope this is useful.

[pruss]

Thank you Alex for this great app!

I uploaded a version of V 1.00 with T3 style graphics:
http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1655

It incorporates graphics by beemgee's former mod of V 0.05, but I have inverted the colors. So here the energy is white and the empty background is blue.

Hope this is useful.

Thanks!
I think the energy should be checkered. Otherwise the icon is too bright.

The Done button is fixed for the next release.

[_Psyborg]

I think the energy should be checkered. Otherwise the icon is too bright.
Hm, I like it so clear. But i will test a checkered version tomorrow.

The Done button is fixed for the next release.
Everytime I press the Off button, the display direction alternates for a moment like a wink. ;)

[pruss]

Hm, I like it so clear. But i will test a checkered version tomorrow.


Everytime I press the Off button, the display direction alternates for a moment like a wink. ;)
Yes, that's deliberate, to refresh the DIA area as a whole, forcing a reload of all the image resources.

[_Psyborg]

Yes, that's deliberate, to refresh the DIA area as a whole, forcing a reload of all the image resources.
Ah, okay. It proves that I was not turning ShowBattery off before. ;)

[+Kardboard+]

I'm not entirely sure how to play with the battery icon in mySkin, as no new options show up for me. I have updated mySkin to 2.42 already.

[PinCushionQueen]

to change the icon you also need to install one or both of the BatterySkin.prc files. There's one included in the ShowBattery.zip and there's another couple in the Freeware section - you'll have to install one and go rename it in mySkin, then install the other if you want both because they have the same file name. You would then select the skin from the list -> select merge in the menu -> select statusbars -> Voila!

[kbecker]

I found a possible bug/quirk after installing the program. The icon showing my device storage amount in the brightness/volume/time menu disappeared. When I do a backup restore prior to the install of the showbatt, it is there.

[pruss]

I found a possible bug/quirk after installing the program. The icon showing my device storage amount in the brightness/volume/time menu disappeared. When I do a backup restore prior to the install of the showbatt, it is there.

It is necessary to remove this icon when installing a skin, due to a bug in the OS. If the icon is important to you, then you can use mySkin/myKbd to load a skin (any skin will do), and then turn ShowBattery on over the top of it.

[MetaView]

Alex,

thank you for this nice app. Actually I've looked into the 0.7(?) source and wonder what's the best way to detect taps in the icon area?

[pruss]

Alex,

thank you for this nice app. Actually I've looked into the 0.7(?) source and wonder what's the best way to detect taps in the icon area?

Have a look at resident.c in the partial myKbd source release at http://www.sf.net/projects/handypalmstuff

Specifically, look at how the home button is handled.

[FerdFerd]

I uploaded four battery skins (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1656) to use with ShowBattery. One is a modification of Church Punk's Mac graphics. For the others I started with the graphics in the application itself and redid the colors. For the latter, besides what you see in the attached image, the lightning bolt for charging is yellow. Three of the skins use blue tones that I intend to complement Velo's Grayhide skin. The fourth is red and is intended to complement Blackhide.

I've uploaded only BatterySkin.prc files, which will need to be merged into whatever DIA skin you are using.

Hope some of you enjoy them.

[Shrink]

Very nice job on the skins, FerdFerd.
Thanks a lot.
alan

[Church Punk]

I just uploaded two battery skins (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1656) to use with ShowBattery. One is a modification of Church Punk's Mac graphics. For the other I started with the graphics in the application itself and redid the colors. For the latter, besides what you see in the attached image, the lightning bolt for charging is yellow. Both skins use blue tones that I intend to complement Velo's Grayhide skin.

I've uploaded only BatterySkin.prc files, which will need to be merged into whatever DIA skin you are using.

Hope some of you enjoy them.

Congrats for your first skins =)


And THANKS Alex Pruss! :)

[_Psyborg]

I think the energy should be checkered. Otherwise the icon is too bright. I tested it, but it looked not good checkered. So I tested several other modifications for the T3 statbar, mainly with thinner batteries. There are also two versions with more decent light blue energy. I personally prefer #2.

http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1661

[FerdFerd]

There are now four versions of my ShowBattery skins in the Freeware section, here (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1656). I edited my earlier post in this thread to show what they look like.

[MetaView]

Have a look at resident.c in the partial myKbd source release at http://www.sf.net/projects/handypalmstuff

Specifically, look at how the home button is handled.

Ok, it's just pen down event and checking the coords. I thought it might give some special call-back which is called when the user taps the button area.

[pruss]

Found a bug that can cause a crash with statusbar hidden.

[_Em]

Funny... I hide the statusbar all the time and haven't experienced it... yet.

[pruss]

Uploaded 1.01 which should fix that problem--if it is a real problem. (I had a reset in palmpdf that I thought might be caused by this.) It also has a new white icon, one of the T3/T5 and one for the TX/LD.

[FerdFerd]

I'm not sure why, but I've really enjoyed following the development of this application. Perhaps it's that the small things are really important in affecting the experience. But I've also learned a lot about how my Palm works from the progress. Anyway, thanks for letting us in early!

[_Em]

Here's one for you:
I charge my TX with the charging cable at home, and with the USB cable at work. When at home, the charging icon comes on. However, ever since I installed this, it doesn't come on when plugged into USB only. However, the battery level moves on up still as the device charges. The charging battery doesn't come on in the launcher, either.

[FerdFerd]

The charging icon appears for me with the external charger or the USB-only cable. There is a delay with the USB-only cable.

[Ohappydaye]

Just installed this app, it rocks...thank you Pruss. And thank you FerdFerd for the skins!

[PinCushionQueen]

_Em could it be that the USB charger isn't powered and it's not getting enough juice to trigger the ''charging'' icon? I too see the icon from my USB cable & I know my hub is powered...

@ All of you guys making these skins - Thanx a bunch!! Now the toughest part is deciding which one to use :P

[FerdFerd]

@ All of you guys making these skins - Thanx a bunch!! Now the toughest part is deciding which one to use :PPick me, pick me! (Just kidding - the variety is really fun. Just wait until cyberdude's daugher makes the graphic for an eye that closes as the power drains. That will really be something.)

I've been fiddling some more, as seems to be my habit, and tomorrow I'll add two more blue skins to my collection. They reverse the highlight that makes the battery seem dimensional, so the highlight is brighter than the background, not darker as in the current versions. This makes the light look like it's coming from the opposite side and matches the direction that Velo simulates in Grayhide. The differences are subtle, so you can decide whether I'm nuts for trying it out or not.

[FerdFerd]

Uploaded 1.01 which should fix that problem--if it is a real problem. (I had a reset in palmpdf that I thought might be caused by this.) It also has a new white icon, one of the T3/T5 and one for the TX/LD.Thanks for the update, which also activates the Done button.

[PinCushionQueen]

Oh Yeah!! I would go crazy for a ''closing eye'' icon!! That's a brilliant idea! No pressure though of course...

[Zxanphorian]

I have an idea for a graphic: Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure type health display with the crocodile and Pitfall Harry, and if the device is on the charger, then it would display the golden 1up item. Dunno if this is feasable with a small amount of space though.

Edit: Other ideas of mine:

Smile - Frown emoticon with sunglasses as charging.
Rising - Seting sun, dunno about charging (maybe rays added to sun?)
Meadow - Desert, with rain as charging
Wilting - "Unwilting" Flower, with a watering can as charging

[pokeypda]

Rising sun, dunno about charging


How about different phases of an eclipse.

[wid4008]

How do I uninstall this application completely using uninstall manager?
I can't seems to find it in the list of programs to uninstall.

[FerdFerd]

I've added alternative shadings to two of my skins. The updated file is here (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1656).

[filber]

How do I uninstall this application completely using uninstall manager?
I can't seems to find it in the list of programs to uninstall.

Your pending trip to Korea sounds very nice, Wid4008! I was there in the Spring last year for one month and took approximately 1200 pictures!

[pruss]

How do I uninstall this application completely using uninstall manager?
I can't seems to find it in the list of programs to uninstall.

Turn it off, delete in the launcher.

[pruss]

By the way, I had an unexplained crash in TCPMP yesterday.

[MetaView]

Well, I have crashes too from time to time, maybe since I've installed ShowBattery, but I'm not sure. I've disabled it today and will now check for some more days. I guess the code is quite stable, but question is how much memory is needed for the battery icons. Could it raise problems in low memory conditions (Blazer, 2PlayMe trying background playing, Video playing etc.)?

[Ohappydaye]

WOW! I hadn't even seen the other batt skins, thank you ChurchPunk and Cyberdude as well! Those ROCK! Thanks again to FerdFerd, I installed your additions today. This is so awesome! :D

[PinCushionQueen]

FerdFerd, I like the addition of the highlights. Gives them a more 3D look :D

@Alex I've had no resets so far with this new version with what might be considered memory hungry apps (PTunes background play & Docs2Go)... I will try some videos in TCPMP this afternoon and I'll let you know if I get any crashes there.

[pruss]

Well, I have crashes too from time to time, maybe since I've installed ShowBattery, but I'm not sure. I've disabled it today and will now check for some more days. I guess the code is quite stable, but question is how much memory is needed for the battery icons. Could it raise problems in low memory conditions (Blazer, 2PlayMe trying background playing, Video playing etc.)?

I doubt the memory used for the battery icons is a big deal. It's about 20K in total, and I am careful to ensure that each write replaces the previous resource so as not to invalidate any handles.

My one source of concern is the SysAppLaunch() call to send a fake rotate notification to the attention plugin to force it to redraw the icon after I switch it. The call is made from an armlet. Originally it was made from 68K, but at that time I had T3 crashes, and this may have been responsible (there may have been problems with structure translation, say).

The other way to do the refresh is to draw the icon directly on the sbar window. But then one has to get the coordinates right, and they're different on different devices. Another difficulty is that I don't know how to tell when the attention icon is in active mode and when it's not.

[FerdFerd]

I've added one more red battery skin to my collection and updated the other red skin to look a little better against a black background. They are all still here (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1656).

[tosbsas]

red ones are great now (:-))

Ruben

[pruss]

Posted ShowBattery 1.02, fixing a bug in the images. If you don't use the default images, no need to upgrade.

[drwho]

I have a green battery icon. I've noticed that if I switch to landscape mode, it changes to a black colour. Anyone else get this? This happens on my TX and T3

[FerdFerd]

One more red battery is now in my collection, for a total of eight variations.

[FerdFerd]

I have a green battery icon. I've noticed that if I switch to landscape mode, it changes to a black colour. Anyone else get this? This happens on my TX and T3Is this a battery someone else made? Is it generally available to disassemble to inspect all the bitmaps?

[drwho]

Is this a battery someone else made? Is it generally available to disassemble to inspect all the bitmaps?
I got it from one of the links in this discussion, but I can't seem to find it now. It shows as BatterySkin6 in myKbd.

[FerdFerd]

I got it from one of the links in this discussion, but I can't seem to find it now. It shows as BatterySkin6 in myKbd.There are three complete sets of battery icons in each skin. I just wondered if the landscape ones weren't made correctly.

[drwho]

There are three complete sets of battery icons in each skin. I just wondered if the landscape ones weren't made correctly.
Yours seem fine. I'll use one of them. Thanks

[_Em]

Here's a request; I've been trying to get a battery icon that's white when full, and grey when empty, a la BurnN's Plastic DIA skin. The quick and dirty methods I've tried so far seem to always give me the inverse... anyone up for the challenge?

[pruss]

By the way, due to crashes in TCPMP (turn on device in TCPMP with ShowBattery running; not always, but occasionally, it crashes), I've temporarily given up on using ShowBattery myself.

[Shrink]

By the way, due to crashes in TCPMP (turn on device in TCPMP with ShowBattery running; not always, but occasionally, it crashes), I've temporarily given up on using ShowBattery myself.
Well, he said, probably jinxing himself, as I've never had a crash I'll continue to use it.
alan

[FerdFerd]

By the way, due to crashes in TCPMP (turn on device in TCPMP with ShowBattery running; not always, but occasionally, it crashes), I've temporarily given up on using ShowBattery myself.I hope that "temporarily" is the most important word in your post!

[Church Punk]

yeh, lets hope :)

[pruss]

Don't hold your breath. I'm out of easy ideas at the moment. Dmitry's way of doing it is the right way.

[FerdFerd]

I don't think I want a wholesale reconstruction of the status bar, which I gather is what Dmitry is working on. His proof of concept also uses way more real estate for the battery icon than I'd like. But perhaps all of this will be possible to customize in his final app.

I like the simplicity of ShowBattery. I wouldn't have invested the time to make the battery skins if I didn't.

Anyway, thanks for the adventure, even if this is the end of it.

[pokeypda]

I was using CP's OSX DIA skin and DG's statbatt and getting a big blue batt icon, then I found the icon in CP's skin. IWonder if I modded CP's icon would statbatt use it? Hey, I'm no skinner. :-)

[pokeypda]

TCPMP crashes, how so? With showbattery installed my TX turns off at the 'auto off' time when playing mp3s. Movies (.avi) play without problem.

[MikeB]

I haven't received any crashes on my T3, in TCPMP or otherwise. Not sure what is difft in your configure. I've been running Showbattery since 1.0.

[pruss]

The crash scenario seems to be this. Turn off PDA in TCPMP, with OffFlush activating. Turn back on some time later. Crash.

[FerdFerd]

I guess I'm puzzled about OffFlush. Do you mean ShowBattery? I already know you don't recommend and don't use OffFlush (or didn't used to).

[minimalposter]

I am also puzzled. Is it just the TCPMP resets or is it something else you have noticed? I really like having show battery and now I am worried I am missing some problem by using it :(

[pruss]

I guess I'm puzzled about OffFlush. Do you mean ShowBattery? I already know you don't recommend and don't use OffFlush (or didn't used to).

The current version of OffFlush is reliable enough for me to use. :-)

The only other app in which I had an unexplained crash with ShowBattery is PalmPDF.

[MikeB]

I'm totally confused on how to change the battery image.

When I had 1.00, I was able to change to the Mac one.

But now I just can't seem to change it, no matter what I do. I've loaded several images, deleted all but one (tried them all), renamed each one to batteryskin. No matter what I do, I only get the same initial default skin.

I do have Mykbd which I use just to get the ATOMIC keyboard, and I thought I followed the instructions to merge, but I'm not having any luck at all.

[FerdFerd]

In myKbd, highlight the file name for the skin you like. (There is no need to rename it.) Then go to the Merge menu and tap Whole skin. That's the way it works for me, and believe me, I've merged lots of battery skins!

My usual forgetfulness when merges fail has me neglecting to highlight the file name before starting the merge. Could that be the deal for you?

[MikeB]

When you say skin, you mean like ATOMIK keyboard right? That's what I have loaded.

Then I highlight BatterySkinMacBlue and Merge, Whole Skin, and nothing changes.

I've tried with Showbattery On and Off. No change either.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[FerdFerd]

I use mySkin, not myKbd, so I don't have the same main skin loaded. But say I have Velo's Grayhide DIA skin loaded. I then highlight the name of the battery skin file. Then on to the Merge menu. No?

If ShowBattery is off, the battery skin merges, but the status bar won't show the new graphics until ShowBattery is turned on. Turn SB back off, and the battery graphic disappears again, to be replaced by the normal attention manager exclamation mark.

[Nekkutta]

have you upgraded MyKbd to the latestone, the one that has support for the battery skins?

Nekkutta

[MikeB]

I can see how that would work with mySkin since that has the statusbar icon changes. However I use myKbd only for changing the keyboard, not any of the statusbar icons.

When I got it to work to change to the Mac icon when I first loaded 1.00, I didn't do anything with myKbd, so that's why I'm confused. I thought I just deleted the original batteryskin file and renamed the batteryskinmacblue to batteryskin. That seemed to work. However I can't make that work anymore, for whatever reason.

[FerdFerd]

Well, I've reproduced the crash and soft reset with the OffFlush-TCPMP-ShowBattery combination. I set OffFlush to flush on power off and at a threshold that would guarantee a flush at the next power-off. Then I started TCPMP and began to play an mp3 file. While the file was playing, I pressed the power button to turn the unit off. Some minutes later when I turned it back on, the unit crashed and reset.

I don't know how often it will happen, but I now see the issue.

I'm still hanging on to ShowBattery, hoping there isn't another conflict that I would care more about. I'll be watchful.

[FerdFerd]

have you upgraded MyKbd to the latestone, the one that has support for the battery skins?

NekkuttaGood point, which I should have remembered too.

Another relevant point is that Church Punk did put out a verison of ShowBattery with his graphics incorporated directly into ShowBattery. If you were using that and then updated to the latest version of ShowBattery, you would have lost the Mac graphics. This is a reason for loading BatterySkin files as overlays. Then updates of the main application (if any more ever come) wouldn't result in changing the graphics.

[MikeB]

have you upgraded MyKbd to the latestone, the one that has support for the battery skins?

Nekkutta

That did it! I was on v1.41, and it now works on the latest 1.42.

Wow, those new batteryskins look great!!

Thanks Nekkutta and Ferdferd for your help.

[RazrTX]

I haven't been able to reproduce the TCPMP crash with movies. Am now trying with music. How long did you wait? I waited progressively longer until my auto locking finally kicked in with no crash.

Razr

[pruss]

I haven't been able to reproduce the TCPMP crash with movies. Am now trying with music. How long did you wait? I waited progressively longer until my auto locking finally kicked in with no crash.

I was using ogg files, about an hour long each. I'd play a file for about half an hour, then turn off the TX, and I think OffFlush would kick in. Then some time later, maybe 15 minutes later, I'd get a reset when turning on.

I suspect that the amount of time one needs to wait is sufficient for a change in battery state. But I could be wrong.

[FerdFerd]

Alex, what do you think about Resco Locker? And would locking ShowBattery solve this? Sounds off hand like it might.

[RazrTX]

I was using ogg files, about an hour long each. I'd play a file for about half an hour, then turn off the TX, and I think OffFlush would kick in. Then some time later, maybe 15 minutes later, I'd get a reset when turning on.

I suspect that the amount of time one needs to wait is sufficient for a change in battery state. But I could be wrong.

I've been accelerating battery state change by turning off while plugged in and it does cause a delay in some situations but I don't think that they're related to ShowBattery.

I will have to encode some files to ogg to see if perhaps that's the culprit, as I don't even have the codec loaded in TCPMP.

Razr

[MikeB]

I've added one more red battery skin to my collection and updated the other red skin to look a little better against a black background. They are all still here (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1656).

The MacBlue image is the only one that doesn't look like the image you have posted on my T3.

Attached is what it looks like on my PDA. Note the four corners with some type of tiny lines on them.

EDIT: I can't get the whole image to show up correctly, however you still can see in the image what's going on. Look at the corner white "tick" marks in the top left & right. These also appear on the bottom corners in the whole image.

[FerdFerd]

Look at the corner white "tick" marks in the top left & right. These also appear on the bottom corners in the whole image.The corner ticks are in Church Punk's graphics. Because his skin uses a white background, you don't see them. They disappear on the gray background too in my attached images with the files in the Freeware section. But if you put it on a dark background, you'll see them.

The only thing I did to his graphics was change the color of the internal part of the graphic that shows the fractional charge. I didn't modify anything else at all.

If you want to start editing graphics, CP posted the name of the tool (PFCD, link (http://festus440.happypalm.com/pfcd.php)) to extract the graphics and recompile them after modification. It works pretty easily, but do be aware that you will need to change roughly 50 different graphics files to make the set work as you wish.

It's actually kind of fun, in a perverse sort of way. But I'm using one of the other blue ones I made, so my own level of motivation to further edit the Mac version is pretty low.

Edit to add: Here is another option. I have a DIA skin on my TX called Standard Clean Blue DIA. It uses white instead of blue as its status bar background. If that appeals to you, it wouldn't require altering the battery skin (I checked). Unfortunately, a quick search hasn't reminded me of where I found that skin. If it turns up, I'll post back. Edit again: No luck. Sorry.

Edit 3: Well, this (http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&prodID=53480) is close. It's a T3 skin at Palmgear. You'll need to use Pruss's FixUpSkin on it. Be sure you do this before you put it on a TX! That converter comes with mySkin or myKbd. Then load the skin, and use mySkin's ability to colorize individual elements to recolor the WiFi icon. At that point I'd save it. Then merge the battery skin into it.

[pokeypda]

FerdFerd:

Sounds famaliar, was it palmgear?

[FerdFerd]

FerdFerd:

Sounds famaliar, was it palmgear?If so, I didn't turn it up with a quick look. But it could be embedded in a file of several others. I might be able to figure it out when I'm home and can rummage around the hard drive.

It looks like this, complete with the BlueMac battery:

[_Em]

Just a note about attaching pictures:
I've found that while 1src mangles jpegs, pngs upload just fine. I think it has something to do with the 1src watermarking code.

[FerdFerd]

Just a note about attaching pictures:
I've found that while 1src mangles jpegs, pngs upload just fine. I think it has something to do with the 1src watermarking code.I've taken to pasting my images into a white background and then cropping closely, but leaving enough border at the bottom so that the watermark won't appear in the main graphic. You can see the approach in the image in my last post. That works for me with jpegs. I'll try png next time.

[FerdFerd]

Alex, what do you think about Resco Locker? And would locking ShowBattery solve this? Sounds off hand like it might.I know that for an intermittent issue, the absence of evidence isn't the same as evidence of absence, but I did lock ShowBattery with Resco Locker and I've tried several times to repeat the conflict with TCPMP-OffFlush. No more so far.

Is Resco Locker helping? I don't guess I really know. :confused:

[pokeypda]

MikeB and all:

your icon attachment is cut off when using Firefox on an iBook, but Blazer on my TX shows it just fine. Humh?

[FerdFerd]

If the blue skin with the white status bar background interests you, see Edit 3 in my post above, #83 in this thread. I found what I must have started with at Palmgear, and it is free. If someone who has the knowledge and authority to say so says it's OK, I'm willing to post it with the blue version of the WiFi icon (which I must have recolorized at some point) here in the Freeware section. It is freeware, but there is nothing in the distribution that says it's in the public domain or talks about redistribution.

[MikeB]

Edit 3: Well, this (http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&prodID=53480) is close. It's a T3 skin at Palmgear. You'll need to use Pruss's FixUpSkin on it. Be sure you do this before you put it on a TX! That converter comes with mySkin or myKbd. Then load the skin, and use mySkin's ability to colorize individual elements to recolor the WiFi icon. At that point I'd save it. Then merge the battery skin into it.

I did this by getting the clean T3 skin, fixupskin, & loaded onto my T3. I then kept my ATOMIC keyboard and merged only the statusbar of the T3 skin with the ATOMIC keyboard. Finally I merged your Mac battery skin, and all looks well now.

Thanks for spelling out all of the options to me.

[yitzle]

I love these threads. I read them to get an insight as to how and what the developers think and how the Palm OS works, etc :)

[dkarale]

it's a very good application...thank you very much.

[pruss]

I know that for an intermittent issue, the absence of evidence isn't the same as evidence of absence, but I did lock ShowBattery with Resco Locker and I've tried several times to repeat the conflict with TCPMP-OffFlush. No more so far.

Is Resco Locker helping? I don't guess I really know. :confused:

Resco Locker is pointless here. ShowBattery copies its code to heap anyway.

[FerdFerd]

Resco Locker is pointless here. ShowBattery copies its code to heap anyway.Thanks, I'm glad to have this answer. I don't have any other use for RLock, so I'll ditch it for now.

[MikeB]

Just FYI, I still have not experienced resets, lockups, or other issues associated with ShowBattery. I am using it on a T3, and have modified the icons to match the other standard T3 apps better. I really like this app, and am thankful Pruss made it free.

[pruss]

On second thought, RLock could make a difference if you're using the built-in battery icons. Are you?

[FerdFerd]

I'm using a separate BatterySkin.prc merged into the rest of the statusbar. In fact, I made and posted a collection of battery skins in the freeware section here.

Under this circumstance, then, I take it from your comment that RLock isn't of use. Correct me if that's not right.

[tosbsas]

well Dimitry has made his idea free too (:-)) Shows percentage and is very precise - but you loose atentionmanager

http://www.palmpowerups.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=14

Ruben

[palmjob]

Who cares?

[dmitrygr]

well...technically I do...

[MetaView]

Ok, besides from OpenSource/ClosedSource, what are the differences? Dmitry, any insides?

[cyberdude]

Personally, although I like the fact that Dmitry's is larger and shows the percentage, I prefer having the attention manager. I also like the fact that I can skin showbattery to match my launcher's skin.

[dmitrygr]

differences?
pruss changes a bitmap, and resends screen rotated notification...this is somewhat nasty way to do this. I use the statusbar api

[FerdFerd]

If you have a moment, I at least would be interested to know what it means that Alex Pruss's method is nasty. Honest question; I really don't know.

And Alex must agree with you, because he's no longer developing ShowBattery.

I prefer the less intrusive invasion of status bar real estate in ShowBattery, but if I remember, your eventual goal was to make an application that would allow the user to make his/her own configuration. Still true?

[MikeB]

dmitrygr's is pretty good, and seems to do things the more accurate way. However the battery is so big on my T3, it wipes out 3 of my statusbar icons. I can't live without my graffitti button since I use it several times a day.

[dmitrygr]

nasty in programming sence...
yes, later...

[phreakonaleash]

Something Id liike to see: a click on the slip displays percent.

[dump71]

Something Id liike to see: a click on the slip displays percent.

I second that :)

[cyberdude]

Something Id liike to see: a click on the slip displays percent.
I'd love to see that as well. But I have a feeling it would intefere with the change of focus to the attention manager. :(

[FerdFerd]

If someone really wants percent charge in ShowBattery, if the right font could be found, it wouldn't be much of a challenge to make a battery skin that shows percent charge in lieu of a graphic indication of the same. I don't think there is room to sensibly try to do both. There are 16 battery images for each of the three orientations (plus one for each orientation to show that the unit is charging). Each image therefore is 6.66 more than the previous one. You'd need to round to the nearest integer and probably omit the percent sign. The series I'd use would be 0, 7, 13, 20, 27, 33, 40, 47, 53, 60, 67, 73, 80, 87, 93, 100.

I tried putting 100 on one battery image, but I couldn't find a font that looked good. One might have to make the numbers by hand, one pixel at a time.

(I don't want a percent skin myself. ;) )

[MetaView]

99 would be enough :-)

[cyberdude]

If someone really wants percent charge in ShowBattery, if the right font could be found, it wouldn't be much of a challenge to make a battery skin that shows percent charge in lieu of a graphic indication of the same. I don't think there is room to sensibly try to do both. There are 16 battery images for each of the three orientations (plus one for each orientation to show that the unit is charging). Each image therefore is 6.66 more than the previous one. You'd need to round to the nearest integer and probably omit the percent sign. The series I'd use would be 0, 7, 13, 20, 27, 33, 40, 47, 53, 60, 67, 73, 80, 87, 93, 100.

I tried putting 100 on one battery image, but I couldn't find a font that looked good. One might have to make the numbers by hand, one pixel at a time.

(I don't want a percent skin myself. ;) )
I would think verdana would do the trick - I will test it out. :)

[cyberdude]

I know Henk said 99 would be enough, but I figured I'd try 100 anyway. Here is what it looks like over FerdFerd's red skin at 100% (verdana 5 point).
http://slug.ca.aecom.yu.edu/screenshots/showbattpercent.jpg

[FerdFerd]

I know Henk said 99 would be enough, but I figured I'd try 100 anyway. Here is what it looks like over FerdFerd's red skin at 100% (verdana 5 point).
Can't read it for lack of contrast. I think you'll need to make the background a ligher color, pale gray or white. Or make the font white.

[tosbsas]

whow competition is pushing this one again - I love it (:-))

Ruben

[pokeypda]

I use the skin by Church Punk but changed the black interior bar to various colors depending on charge level. Green - 73-100%, Yellow - 50-72%, Orange - 20-49% and Red is less than 20%.

[FerdFerd]

pokeypda, to my way of thinking, yours is a better way to communicate different charge states than numbers. The resolution of 16 charge states isn't perfect anyway, and this way shows difference without a false sense of precision. Visual cues work for me. Would you share your skin? I'm interested to see it in action. PM sent.

[MikeB]

I did something similar to pokeypda, except mine is only 2 colors (since I'm slightly color-blind on green/yellow/orange it would be hard to distinguish them). I have a red stripe on below around 25%, and solid red for the last bars (around 0-15%).

[pokeypda]

FerdFerd, I'm using my TX now so I can't see your PM but as soon as I'm at a computer I'll send my mod.

[pruss]

It's nice to see that an app that I'm too scared to use myself, even though I wrote it, is getting some use. :-)

[PinCushionQueen]

LOL! Why are you too scared to use it? I've been using it since beta testing and it's solid. Is there something I/we should know?

[dump71]

Pruss, I have never had a problem with this program. I think it's terrific and useful--thanks for putting it out there :)

[cyberdude]

Not only do I find this app very useful, but it has taught me more about skinning than I ever thought I would know, although I'm still a novice.

On another note I agree with FerdFerd about the colors being a better indicator. I have a couple of Showbattery skins that use red and green to indicate battery status (they're in the freeware section). I would also like to see pokeypda's multi color skin in action - could you post to the freeware section?

[FerdFerd]

It's nice to see that an app that I'm too scared to use myself, even though I wrote it, is getting some use. :-)Add me to those who would like to know why you are scared to use it. What is the danger?

[pruss]

Add me to those who would like to know why you are scared to use it. What is the danger?

I've had crashes on exiting TCPMP.

[FerdFerd]

I remember your reporting that when you said you had stopped using ShowBattery. Is the crash dangerous? I know it's inconvenient.

[PinCushionQueen]

I've had crashes on exiting TCPMP.

Ah, yes I remember you having problems with that as well... I tried briefly to get my TX to crash after using TCPMP but couldn't. Perhaps I just didn't use TCPMP long enough to cause the crash. However, I did notice that ShowBattery doesn't refresh while in TCPMP though. I hardly use TCPMP (I don't really watch many videos) & PocketTunes is my primary music player.

Here's a thought... I remember your adding the function to myKbd macros to switch skins on the fly - Have you tried just loading a regular statbar skin just prior to starting TCPMP, then you could use myKbd macro to switch back after you're done.

Sorry you're too scared to use this app - but I totally understand. If it was responsible for crashing an app that I used often - I'd quit using it too. Lucky for me - it doesn't :) Thanks for writing it!! It's really a very useful little app!

[pokeypda]

The color modded ShowBattery battery skin I mention earilier is in the freeware section.

http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1693

[pokeypda]

The color modded ShowBattery battery skin I mentioned earlier is in the freeware section.

http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1693

[MetaView]

I've tried to add a popup with the battery percent on a shorter tap (very short is still for attention manager) and the command bar on a longer tap, but I wonder what will be the best way to draw on the DIA? The popup works if the DIA is collapsed but not when visible.

[juggernaut#2]

I tried briefly to get my TX to crash after using TCPMP but couldn't. Perhaps I just didn't use TCPMP long enough to cause the crash.
pruss, add me to those that use your program since early betas and have never experienced crashes with TCPMP (0.72rc2), which I - unlike PCQ - use quite heavily (watching whole "Troy" and the like).

[userwaldo]

Add another user to the list.

[phreakonaleash]

Meta, do you have the modded version availiable anywhere?

[_Em]

Speaking of this... I'd love to be able to launch the command bar via tap and hold on one of the DIA buttons... menu, battery, or GA come to mind.

[pruss]

pruss, add me to those that use your program since early betas and have never experienced crashes with TCPMP (0.72rc2), which I - unlike PCQ - use quite heavily (watching whole "Troy" and the like).

I only had the problem with the interaction of ShowBattery, TCPMP, OffFlush and turning off the TX in the middle of the audio.

I'm giving ShowBattery another try.

[MetaView]

Meta, do you have the modded version availiable anywhere?
Well, it's still not correct, but maybe Alex will fix it :-) The percent popup should be popup window and go away when you lift up the stylus. And it propable only works in Portrait...

http://www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip

I'm too busy...
Henk

[PinCushionQueen]

That's a great idea MetaView!! Only downside is that the % doesn't go away when I lift my stylus... I need to change the screen to force it to refresh before it disappears.

I also love the command bar workings of the long tap and hold.

Thanks!! :-)

[cyberdude]

That's a great idea MetaView!! Only downside is that the % doesn't go away when I lift my stylus... I need to change the screen to force it to refresh before it disappears.

I also love the command bar workings of the long tap and hold.

Thanks!! :-)
Yeah I have the same screen change prob here. I do love the percentage! I noticed that if I move my stylus slightly to the left or right on the battery icon while the percentage is up, the percentage also moves slightly to the left or right - interesting. :p

[cyberdude]

Not sure if this is Showbattery (metaview version) or not. But all my HK assignments in mykbd stopped working, the popup on tap and hold of the home icon in the statusbar stopped working. The only things I've changed have been the new ShowBattery and backoff! beta from .03 to .04 (I'll post this in that thread as well). :eek:

BTW I noticed that metaview fixed the done button in the showbattery pref panel (or did I miss that in one of Alex's updates).

[cyberdude]

I had to do a full restore (NVB) in order to recover the functionality I lost. Reverting to earlier versions of showbattery and backoff! did no good, there must have been changes in other files. Needless to say, I'll wait a little on installing this version of SB, since it is the one that fiddles with the statusbar, I suspect it first. If I have the time I'll install one at a time and see if the problem reoccurs.

[Church Punk]

me is happy :)

good to know about the after-development for this app. will be trying the final version this time tho... wanna give my tx a rest =)

yes...

[MetaView]

Ok, I'll added a new version which brings a real popup window also when the DIA is open (still only in portrait). It's 1 sec until the popup appears and 3 sec until the popup goes away and the command bar comes:
http://www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip
Next will be the connection between ShowBattery and Asseccory, either with a call to the launcher (well, this looks like sub-launcher) or just a list of apps on your device.

Alex, thank you very much for these cool software gadgets :-)

[pruss]

Have you ensured that the tap function only works when the attention icon isn't active?

[MetaView]

no, but when you only press it short, it will not captured...

[PinCushionQueen]

Ok, I'll added a new version which brings a real popup window also when the DIA is open (still only in portrait). It's 1 sec until the popup appears and 3 sec until the popup goes away and the command bar comes:
http://www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip
Next will be the connection between ShowBattery and Asseccory, either with a call to the launcher (well, this looks like sub-launcher) or just a list of apps on your device.

Alex, thank you very much for these cool software gadgets :-)

Swwweeettt!! :D This is great Henk! Works well on my TX. Pop-up closes appropriately too. Also tested with an alarm and no problems during the switch to alert - as you said the battery % pop-up just doesn't show up when the alert is active. Also works if DIA is up or down! Thanks for making this even better!

[palmjob]

MetaView,
this is great but how do I install it? Do all the bmp's have to be installed? Maybe a README would be helpful.

[PinCushionQueen]

MetaView,
this is great but how do I install it? Do all the bmp's have to be installed? Maybe a README would be helpful.

If you already have ShowBattery installed with skins, just install MetaView's version over the original as you normally would install any program (ie: hotsync or from SD card). There are 2 prc files choose the one right for your machine.

If you don't already have ShowBattery install, again just choose the correct prc for your machine and then Show Battery will appear in your preference panel. Go there to activate. Then if you have mySkin or myKbd for skinning your statusbar you can find some awesome battery skins here on 1src in the freeware section. You would use "Merge Statusbar" option to get the battery skin of your choosing to show up in your current choice of statusbar skin.

[juggernaut#2]

But all my HK assignments in mykbd stopped working, the popup on tap and hold of the home icon in the statusbar stopped working.
that must´ve been something else because it works flawlessly for me, (still) having mykbd assignments and homebuttonfix running on my TX as well.

did you disable showbattery before install?

[MetaView]

Btw: the Applist for a sublaunch with Accessory should come up when one presses the Launcher-Icon longer. What do you think? Could still be handled inside ShowBattery...

[_Psyborg]

Btw: the Applist for a sublaunch with Accessory should come up when one presses the Launcher-Icon longer. What do you think? Sounds good!

[PinCushionQueen]

<Btw: the Applist for a sublaunch with Accessory should come up when one presses the Launcher-Icon longer. What do you think? Could still be handled inside ShowBattery. > Quote

I agree sounds great! I personally would be willing to sacrifice the command bar on tap and hold. I was wanting the command bar to launch MetaDA and/or ApplicationsDA anyways. Or perhaps the ultimate greatness would be the ability to choose what one would want to be launched on a tap and hold - so someone could do command or a DA laucher or AppList as they choose :-D

[cyberdude]

excellent addition to SB! It is working fine on my TX (whatever problems I had before seem to be gone - I didn't try reinstlling the former version)

edit: I take it back. after reset my statusbar home icon stopped working and my HK macros were gone again. I tried a restore and everything worked, I then reinstalled SB - everything worked - I then did a reset and I'm back to not working. :confused:

I'm going to revert to Alex's version.

[PinCushionQueen]

That's really a bummer CD! I know we use a lot of the same apps that control skins and statusbars & this version of ShowBatt works for me. What app are you opening the pop-up over? Perhaps you're using a different skin? I'm currently using Mac Black.

Another thought... I remember I did go into ShowBatt in prefs to make sure the install worked and I switched off-> on first before I triedtit for the first time.

Also - I installed from my card with R.Explorer if that might make any difference? although I don't think it should.

[userwaldo]

Hmm, I think I would prefer a to just have the command bar, or a selectable app. I use the clock to get the battery percentage, so I don't see this being an advantage.

[PinCushionQueen]

I have found a couple of strange screen behaviors with this newest "% pop-up" of ShowBattery. I'm attaching a screen shot of one that appeared when I was calibrating my digitizer in myKbd - notice the black box at the bottom of the screen where the battery for the status bar usually is found. The other appears when playing the game Quest - anytime I tap on the upper part of the screen in Quest a small red square shows in the middle of the screen. Quest is an exception to most applications because it takes over the entire screen while playing (no status bars are seen). As soon as I revert back to the original ShowBattery, both problems go away. It appears to be an issue only with applications that show full screen (without statusbar)

I still don't get any crashes though :) I find I do like the little pop-up a lot better than using the clock to get battery percentage because the pop-up doesn't require a second tap to go away and it's much less obtrusive.

[MetaView]

Well, this is debug stuff. I will later reload a version without it and then also based on the latest ShowBattery from Alex. Btw: Alex, seems until now I don't get the correct way to call the SublaunchApp. Look into this example, is it wrong? It seems so, it crashes :-)

db = DmOpenDatabaseByTypeCreator('appl', 'Acce', dmModeReadOnly);
if (db)
{
UInt16 idx = DmFindResourceType(db, 'CODE', 0);
if (idx != 0xffff)
{
MemHandle hdl = DmGetResourceIndex(db, idx);
if (hdl)
{
MemPtr ptr = MemHandleLock(hdl);
if (ptr)
{
UInt32 (*SublaunchApp)( UInt32 type, UInt32 creator, UInt16 launchCode, void* cmdPBP ) = NULL;
SublaunchApp = ptr;
SublaunchApp('appl', 'lnch', sysAppLaunchCmdNormalLaunch, NULL);
MemHandleUnlock(hdl);
}
DmReleaseResource(hdl);
}
}
DmCloseDatabase(db);
}

[Church Punk]

may God bless you all programers! i have no idea of what the last post is about ^^

hard developers :D

[MetaView]

ok, update without this debug spot is online.

[FerdFerd]

I've been away for a couple of days. I see the MetaView revision shows that is is a modification of ShowBattery 1.03. The latest unmodified version here says it's v1.02. Where is 1.03 living? Is it hidden inside the zip I'll get if I download 1.02 in the Freeware section here?

A report on the modified version: If I run an Accessorizer DA and return to the underlying application and then tap and hold the battery icon, I get a blank oblong popup window, rather than the square one with the percent charge displayed.

[Shrink]

ok, update without this debug spot is online.
Whew, I thought I was sliding into a dementia of some kind.
alan

[MetaView]

FerdFerd: it's called 1.03 to differentiate from the latest 1.02 from Alex. It's based on the same source.

[FerdFerd]

Thanks! Sorry to be confused.

Incidentally, the oblong blank popup window I described in my last post returns to normal once another application is run. The window seems to be as wide as the normal one would be, but flattened because the percent is not displayed.

[PinCushionQueen]

Ok MetaView, the latest version fixes the strange screen behavior that was caused by the debug. However, I am now having similar problems to CyberDude - with the latest version installed I loose ALL of my macros that are made by myKbd. This includes both keyboard and hard button macros. The rest of the keyboard & buttons still work, only those assigned to macros are broken.

I do not have any crashes though. So that's good! :-D

[FerdFerd]

My hard key macros in mySkin work fine with the modified version of ShowBattery.

[Shrink]

Why are all the bmp images included in the download?
alan

[FerdFerd]

I'm not a programmer, but I am reasonably confident that the bmp images are there as part of providing the source code. You'd need them to compile your own version. They are embedded in the executable application.

[Shrink]

I'm not a programmer, but I am reasonably confident that the bmp images are there as part of providing the source code. You'd need them to compile your own version.
Thanks FerdFerd, kinda what I thought.
Another question/issue. I installed MetaViews version but can't seem to get the battery icon to show up i MyKbd, altho it is installed and shows up in my file manager. I'm using a TX
?
alan

[FerdFerd]

Random thoughts: Did you go to the preferences panel and turn ShowBattery on? If you do that, you should see the default battery icon. If you are looking to add another skin than the built-in one, you need to merge the appropriate BatterySkin.prc into your myKbd skin. Hope none of that is insulting. If you've been using the original successfully, then none of this makes any sense, I'm sure. I've had no trouble going back and forth between the versions. I turn the installed version off before installing the other, but I don't know that to be necessary.

It's also worth remembering that you need the latest verisons of mySkin/myKbd to be able to merge external skins.

[PinCushionQueen]

My hard key macros in mySkin work fine with the modified version of ShowBattery.
Really? :confused: Ok... I'll try again.

[FerdFerd]

Could this be a difference between mySkin and myKbd?

[MetaView]

For me it's enough to disable/enable ShowBattery after sending the new version by BT to my TX.

[FerdFerd]

For me it's enough to disable/enable ShowBattery after sending the new version by BT to my TX.Maybe the reason I've had no troubles is that I have been turning it off before switching versions. Once installed, I then have to turn it back on.

[Shrink]

Random thoughts: Did you go to the preferences panel and turn ShowBattery on? If you do that, you should see the default battery icon. If you are looking to add another skin than the built-in one, you need to merge the appropriate BatterySkin.prc into your myKbd skin. Hope none of that is insulting. If you've been using the original successfully, then none of this makes any sense, I'm sure. I've had no trouble going back and forth between the versions. I turn the installed version off before installing the other, but I don't know that to be necessary.

It's also worth remembering that you need the latest verisons of mySkin/myKbd to be able to merge external skins.
My error. I was looking for something in the list. How do you get the pop up to work?
alan

[MetaView]

Longer press on the battery icon.

[Shrink]

Longer press on the battery icon.
Doh! Works perfectly. Thanks a lot.
alan

[Ohappydaye]

Well, it's still not correct, but maybe Alex will fix it :-) The percent popup should be popup window and go away when you lift up the stylus. And it propable only works in Portrait...

http://www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip

I'm too busy...
Henk

Thanks for this, but I'm having a problem and I'm not sure why. In my preferences panel it shows your enhanced version 1.03 but when I tap and hold my battery icon nothing happens. I installed both prc's. Can anyone tell me why this is not working for me? Thanks in advance.

[MetaView]

The position is hardcoded and is not aware of screen rotation, HW-slider changes etc. Look here for the position on a T3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Z_Um25suk
You can try to find the same position on your Palm, but it may not work. It works fine for me on my TX, only the sublaunch always crashs. Oh well...

[Ohappydaye]

I'm not really sure what you mean. I have it in portrait and when I tap on the batt icon I never see the percentage pop up window. I just noticed that my home home icon in my statbar as defined in myKbd no longer works either. ?

EDIT: Ahh, guess I wasn't pressing it long enough. I see the percentage. Thanks Henk...but my home button doesn't work in my statbar. Can that be fixed? Or did I do something wrong in my installation?

[Ohappydaye]

I see that Cyberdude had a similar, if not the same problem. I just reverted back to Showbattery 1.02 in conjuction with BatteryDA...it works for me.

But I sincerely thank you for the hard work Henk. :)

[MetaView]

Well, I don't use the myKbd home button. Sorry, I have no clue why it doesn't work. But now I have another version 1.04 ready:

Battery-Icon
long tap:percent

Menu-Icon
short tap: menu
long tap: command bar
longer tap: find

Home (Find) -Icon
short tap: home (find)
long tap: sublaunch the original launcher (using Accessorizer), you can now launch a second app

You will miss: the favorite list from a long tap at Home (when you use one of the Home-btn patches)

Enjoy
Henk

[FerdFerd]

Is 1.04 there now? I downloaded (your web address)/ShowBattery.zip a minute ago and got a version showing 1.03. And it doesn't behave as you describe.

[Shrink]

Yikes Tried to uninstall but the little battery icon won't uninstall.
Advice?
alan

[FerdFerd]

Did you turn it off before you uninstalled? Or a soft reset after you uninstalled?

[Ohappydaye]

Well, I don't use the myKbd home button. Sorry, I have no clue why it doesn't work. But now I have another version 1.04 ready:

Battery-Icon
long tap:percent

Menu-Icon
short tap: menu
long tap: command bar
longer tap: find

Home (Find) -Icon
short tap: home (find)
long tap: sublaunch the original launcher (using Accessorizer), you can now launch a second app

You will miss: the favorite list from a long tap at Home (when you use one of the Home-btn patches)

Enjoy
Henk

Hmm, I'm willing to give this a try. I have QuickLaunch (Zlauncher) mapped to my first hard button so I could lose the fav list and be ok. Only I can't find this version.

[MetaView]

Sorry, I'm already afk, means it's midnight here and I'm going to bed now. Please check if it might be a browser cache issue. If not I will go and fix it in around 8 or 9 hours :-)
g'night

[Ohappydaye]

Ok...nite nite and sweet dreams! :D I look forward to this new version. Thank you!

[FerdFerd]

I cleared my browser cache and tried again. This time I did get v1.04.

Sleep well, and thanks for your efforts!

Edit: So far, so good. Nice additions. Somewhere along the way, I see you fixed the blank percent window I reported seeing after using an Accessorizer DA.

[Ohappydaye]

Same here FerdFerd! This ROCKS Henk! Thanks a million. For now my favs are still working...may be because I don't have Accessorizer. I plan to install it though, so I'm excited about the possibilities. Again, I thank you most sincerely! Wishing you more sweet dreams! :) :)

[FerdFerd]

Ok...nite nite and sweet dreams! :D I look forward to this new version. Thank you!Did you find this version? It's at on the MetaView site, here (http://www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip).

[Ohappydaye]

Thank you FerdFerd <<hugs>>, I had to clear my cache and then I was able to download it. I kept getting the 1.03 version. But I've got it now and it ROCKS! I'm feeling adventurous tonight so I'm about to installl Accessorizer as well! Woo Hoo!! Now all I need is for my Heels to pull through in this game and tonight will be the best ever!!!! :D

Edit: So much for the "greatest night ever" ....my Heels lost ::cries::, BUT I'm still in love with this Henk...and I just installed Accessorizer and created my first DA!! Woo Hoo! Thanks again!

[FerdFerd]

I've found that the option to display the command bar with a tap and hold of the menu icon does not survive a soft reset if the Menu option only is checked. If the Home option is also selected, it seems to be fine after a soft reset. The correct behavior can be restored by turning the Menu option off and back on.

[cyberdude]

That's really a bummer CD! I know we use a lot of the same apps that control skins and statusbars & this version of ShowBatt works for me. What app are you opening the pop-up over? Perhaps you're using a different skin? I'm currently using Mac Black.
I shouldn't think the skin would matter. I'm currently using FerdFerd's red skin. I'm opening the popup over LauncherX.

Another thought... I remember I did go into ShowBatt in prefs to make sure the install worked and I switched off-> on first before I triedtit for the first time.
I didn't do this the first time, but I did the second and third time I tried installing.

Also - I installed from my card with R.Explorer if that might make any difference? although I don't think it should.
I installed with PInstall (simulates a hotsync, but only installs apps) and by using MyInstall (which would be the equivalent of using RE). I didn't uninstall first though - did you?

[MetaView]

I also have LauncherX in the background and one of FerdFerd's skin. And all stuff seems to work here. Makes it any difference if you disable Home or Menu?
FerdFerd: about the on/off after a Reset, I'll check this.

Thx
Henk

[cyberdude]

Ok MetaView, the latest version fixes the strange screen behavior that was caused by the debug. However, I am now having similar problems to CyberDude - with the latest version installed I loose ALL of my macros that are made by myKbd. This includes both keyboard and hard button macros. The rest of the keyboard & buttons still work, only those assigned to macros are broken.

I do not have any crashes though. So that's good! :-D
Sorry to hear that my problems are more prevalent. But maybe this is a good thing, it may be easier to figure out what is wrong with more people reporting the bug. I really can't live without my macros - I use them all the time - so I'll only install this version if Metaview wants me to, to help debug.

[cyberdude]

I also have LauncherX in the background and one of FerdFerd's skin. And all stuff seems to work here. Makes it any difference if you disable Home or Menu?
FerdFerd: about the on/off after a Reset, I'll check this.

Thx
Henk
If I disable it how will I know if it's not working? Or do you mean will the macros work if I disable home?

[FerdFerd]

FerdFerd: about the on/off after a Reset, I'll check this.Note that I edited my report. Turning the Menu option off and back on restores function. It doesn't work to turn ShowBattery itself off and on.

[MetaView]

cyberdude: yes, is working of the macros related to one of Home or Menu on/off? At least the Hardbutton-Macro for Button 1, works here with everything enabled in ShowBattery.

[PinCushionQueen]

Ok... It appears that I was wrong about my macros not working with v1.03 - I guess I didn't follow my own advice and turn ShowBatt off->on when I upgraded (Sorry CyberDude). Sorry for the confusion. v1.03 works like a charm on my TX and all my macros work too from the keyboard and hard buttons work too.

I'm going to try v1.04 today and will report back later.

[cyberdude]

I just tried 1.04. I turned showbattery off, turned the home statusbar key in mykbd off and installed SB 1.04. I turned SB back on, turned home and menu on in SB (not sure what they do). SB worked fine, but all my macros stopped working, both Hard Key and macros assigned to a mykbd macro tap. What is more when I tried uninstalling batteryskin using uninstall manager, mykbd disappeared from my device. I've reverted to SB 1.00.

[_Em]

I've found some problems with the Home feature in 1.04; Home puts a home menu on the DIA and moves Find to the Menu button on tap and hold. The Menu option puts the cmdbar on the menu button on tap and hold.

The vanishing app behaviour you speak of has only happened to me when my NVRAM has become corrupted; you might want to try a hard reset and restore at this point.

[cyberdude]

I've found some problems with the Home feature in 1.04; Home puts a home menu on the DIA and moves Find to the Menu button on tap and hold. The Menu option puts the cmdbar on the menu button on tap and hold.

The vanishing app behaviour you speak of has only happened to me when my NVRAM has become corrupted; you might want to try a hard reset and restore at this point.
I wouldn't use home that way since I usemykbd and don't normally see anything but the keyboard. The find sounds okay, so does the menu option.

I have taken your suggestion and reset my device, it is now restoring. Not something I like to do, but every once in a while ...

[MetaView]

I wouldn't use home that way since I usemykbd and don't normally see anything but the keyboard. The find sounds okay, so does the menu option.

Well, we speak about the very left icon in the statusbar, it's Find in the plain TX but most people I guess, use a Home-Patch to have the home button here too. Means it is visible also when having the keyboard.

EDIT: I will make another Video soon, to show the capabilities of the recent version of ShowBattery.

[cyberdude]

Well, we speak about the very left icon in the statusbar, it's Find in the plain TX but most people I guess, use a Home-Patch to have the home button here too. Means it is visible also when having the keyboard.

EDIT: I will make another Video soon, to show the capabilities of the recent version of ShowBattery.
Oh! I used to use homewithfind to patch that, but I now use mykbd to do it slightly better. It sounded like _Em was talking about the home in the DIA area not the statusbar. At any rate when I enabled v1.04 and enabled the home, I didn't get the home icon in the status bar.

[MetaView]

1.05 is online. It works on T3 with slider and in landscape. On T3 is still a bit next to the battery icon and it doesn't work in left-hand landscape with DIA open:

try www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip

See here the Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec7RSSVuU-4

[tosbsas]

ok, version 1.05 actually works on t3 - although focus is moved about 1 1/2 cm to the left, or in other words to get % I need to press the clock on the minutes. To get commandbar I need to press between menu and find, but I cannot use home, cause there is not enough space till I get to the border of digitizer.

Any hope to get a version that reacts on the spot it should??

Thanks Henk for all your work

Ruben

[_Em]

Hmm... on my TX, 1.04 worked great, but I've lost command-bar functionality with 1.05. Also, I experienced one lock up while trying to get it to work (I was in RLock at the time).

[edit]hmm again... after a soft reset, it's working fine.

[FerdFerd]

1.05 is online.I don't know if you intended to correct this in this version, but if I select the Menu option only and clear the Home option, the configuration still does not survive a soft reset. I have to deselect and reselect Menu to reactivate it. If both Home and Menu are selected, both options do survive a soft reset.

[MetaView]

Weird, I just tried it: I had On, Home and Menu selected, deselect Home and did a reset. I went to Prefs->ShowBattery and it shows: On and Menu selected.
Ah wait, you mean it is selected, but isn't enabled, oh well, I check it.
EDIT: you're right, it's fixed and uploaded as 1.06:
http://www.metaviewsoft.de/ShowBattery.zip

[FerdFerd]

Ah wait, you mean it is selected, but isn't enabled, oh well, I check it.Yes, that's what I mean. It appears to be selected, but a tap and hold to the Menu icon does not produce the command bar.

[cyberdude]

1.06 is working on my TX - before reset. after reset atap and hold of the home key or menu key does nothing whether I turn SB on or off.

I disabled SB 1.00
hotsynced SB 1.06
turned it on/off/on
turned home/menu on
tapped end
tested fine
My one surprise is that a tap and hold on home now goes to applications instead of the mykbd mcphling behavior. I turned off home and I'm back to the behavior I like.
reset device
home and menu tap and hold do nothing - macros both soft and hard ley don't work.

reverting again to 1.00

[FerdFerd]

Yes, v1.06 now preserves the setting for Menu after a soft reset when Home is deselected.

[FerdFerd]

My one surprise is that a tap and hold on home now goes to applications instead of the mykbd mcphling behavior.That's what this version is supposed to do. It's actually going to ApplicationsDA. You loose the favorites and recently used list if you select Home in v1.06 of ShowBattery. That's why I've been wanting to select Menu alone. It 's worth noting, though, that a hold on H1 still brings up the McPhling-like menu, even if the tap-and-hold on the home button on the status bar no longer does.

[I love my mom]

If I tap and hold the home to pull up the launcher, launch any app, then tap my silkscreen home button to return to the app I was in, I cannot pull up the launcher again to launch a 'DA' app without a crash.

[cyberdude]

That's what this version is supposed to do. It's actually going to ApplicationsDA. You loose the favorites and recently used list if you select Home in v1.06 of ShowBattery. That's why I've been wanting to select Menu alone. It 's worth noting, though, that a hold on H1 still brings up the McPhling-like menu, even if the tap-and-hold on the home button on the status bar no longer does.
all my hard keys are disabled in 1.06 probably has something to do with the fact that they all have mykbd macros assigned to them in one way or another. :(

[Ohappydaye]

If I tap and hold the home to pull up the launcher, launch any app, then tap my silkscreen home button to return to the app I was in, I cannot pull up the launcher again to launch a 'DA' app without a crash.

This happened to me the first time I tried, but now after repeated attempts I can not recreate the crash.

[PinCushionQueen]

all my hard keys are disabled in 1.06 probably has something to do with the fact that they all have mykbd macros assigned to them in one way or another. :(

So you've never been able to get this new version to work then? :confused: I'm currently using v1.03 (I need the Favorites list on "Home" and I've got the Command Bar key in my keyboard) and I don't loose any functionality of my macros. I've got 9 macros in my keyboard and 1 HB has 2 macros programmed to it - they all work. What version of myKbd are you using? I'm using v1.43

Forgive me if I'm prying too much - just curious why this is working for me and not you since I know we use a lot of the same apps. And the tap & hold battery percentage is nicer than the built in one because once you let go it disappears (the built in one takes a second tap to go away).

[cyberdude]

So you've never been able to get this new version to work then? :confused: I'm currently using v1.03 (I need the Favorites list on "Home" and I've got the Command Bar key in my keyboard) and I don't loose any functionality of my macros. I've got 9 macros in my keyboard and 1 HB has 2 macros programmed to it - they all work. What version of myKbd are you using? I'm using v1.43

Forgive me if I'm prying too much - just curious why this is working for me and not you since I know we use a lot of the same apps. And the tap & hold battery percentage is nicer than the built in one because once you let go it disappears (the built in one takes a second tap to go away).
So far I've never gotten any of Henk's versions to work :( . I like the percentage much better, but once I reset nothing works, no matter what I do. I'm using the same version of mykbd as you are. Maybe I'll try 1.03 again - I think I still have it somewhere ... (he goes searching his hard drive)

[MetaView]

Well, here it works: Recent App list is replaced by sub-launched launcher for launching a second app. I can do it also several times in a row, always returning to the first app.

[cyberdude]

Couldn't find 1.03. Found one date 3/23 not sure what version it is, and v1.04, v1.06. I would really like to use this, but I need my macros more. I'll stick with v1.00 until I figure out what's going on. I already hard reset and reinstalled from backup (nice and clean returned me to my previous setup) to no avail. :(

[FerdFerd]

I've noticed recently that the bottom application in the favorites list (via mySkin) is Find. I never noticed that before. Is this coming from the modified version of ShowBattery? Or have I just been sleeping for all this time?

[MetaView]

It's not me :-) But I guess it's very common for Find-button-replacing patches on TX. How would you else call find? That's also the reason I've put it on Menu with a longer tap.

[FerdFerd]

It's not me :-) But I guess it's very common for Find-button-replacing patches on TX. How would you else call find? That's also the reason I've put it on Menu with a longer tap.When you choose the mySkin option to replace the Find button on the TX with the Home button, it shifts the Find function to a press-and-hold of the Menu button. This is the same behavior as you provide.

I had never noticed that the Find function was appearing on the recently used and favorite applications list that mySkin also supplies.

[MetaView]

I made a 1.07 which has the correct layout for Tungsten T3. Next question is, what is the stuff with the Macros? They work fine on my TX. maybe everyone with problems (connected with SB) could post: device and macro key, which doesn't work. Also please test if: a) it works when SB is disabled, b) works with Home or Menu disabled, or c) works after a softreset.

thx
Henk

[MetaView]

FerdFerd: ok, didn't know it. I use Home_with_find or such, which puts Find to the very bottom in the recent app list.

[FerdFerd]

FerdFerd: ok, didn't know it. I use Home_with_find or such, which puts Find to the very bottom in the recent app list.I guess mySkin does the same.

Edit: Well, now I'm not so sure. I just put v1.02 (Alex's last version, the one here in the Freeware section) back on and the Find entry at the bottom of the recently use applications disappeared. So even if you didn't do it on purpose, perhaps there is something that results in it finding its way there?

[cyberdude]

I've noticed recently that the bottom application in the favorites list (via mySkin) is Find. I never noticed that before. Is this coming from the modified version of ShowBattery? Or have I just been sleeping for all this time?
Sleeping :p . If so it is not only the modified version of SB as it is that way using SB 1.00.

[cyberdude]

I made a 1.07 which has the correct layout for Tungsten T3. Next question is, what is the stuff with the Macros? They work fine on my TX. maybe everyone with problems (connected with SB) could post: device and macro key, which doesn't work. Also please test if: a) it works when SB is disabled, b) works with Home or Menu disabled, or c) works after a softreset.

thx
Henk
I haven't tried 1.07 yet, but here are my results with previous versions.
Device: TX
Macro Keys: all, including macro keys in mykbd keyboard
Before reset everything works fine, after reset nothing works whether I disable or enable SB. This includes the popup when I tap and hold home in the statusbar.

It just occured to me do I have to readd SB to my UC list even though it's already there. Has the creator ID changed (this happened to me with backoff! - even though the filename was the same the creator id changed so it wouldn't work correctly until I deleted it and readded it to the UC list)?????? :confused: :eek:

[thierry2064]

Hello,

As I see that Metaview and Pruss (thank them for all their software!) can use the status bar to launch applis, why not use swiping instead of hold, and even better swipe to launch any application of the user's choice ? Maybe I am asking too much ?
I have been searching something like SharkSwipe (http://www.ludustech.com/sharkswipe/) (this one is not stable on the TX, otherwise I would have bought it for the requested $8) for months, one can launch more applis (36) than one can remember. Swipe is faster than hold, is it harder to implement ?

Thierry

[MetaView]

no, not harder, I'll think about...

[juggernaut#2]

I've noticed recently that the bottom application in the favorites list (via mySkin) is Find.
i´ve never connected this to using myskin/mykbd, because this is what mobilestream´s "HomeWithFind" patch does, which i have been using since the beginning of my TX (the version without the hardconnected weblink). it´s not mentioned in the myskin/mykbd´s docs, also.

isn´t this the very first patch that everybody installs after finding out that the original TX is missing the very useful "Home" button? i thought so, that´s why it tends to be forgotten :)

[juggernaut#2]

I made a 1.07 ...
wow, it is hard to keep up with those new versions that keep spilling out of this thread... any chance you put a regular downlaod link on your website?

with 1.06, i have the following behaviour:
1. "Menu" enabled:
- tap-and-hold an "menu" gives command bar, ok
- long tap-and-hold gives nothing
2. "Home" enabled:
- tap-and-hold gives nothing, which is funny because it should: either showbatt´s behaviour or HomeWithFind´s behaviour, but showbatt seems to disable HomeWithFind without installing it´s own functionality.

i have "HomeWithFind" (like 90% of all TX users i guess) installed and myKbd, the latter with macros, but none of them dealing with those buttons.

let´s try 1.07...

[MetaView]

juggernaut#2:
* Long on Menu (3 secs) should bring the Find dialog
* Long on Home (1 secs) should bring the build-in application launcher but sub-launched. You need Accessorizer for this or nothing will happen.

I will add the regular download link on the start page.

[Church Punk]

hmmm... so you actually need accessorizer to make showbattery work? or is it just for the behavior above mentioned?

[Ohappydaye]

hmmm... so you actually need accessorizer to make showbattery work? or is it just for the behavior above mentioned?


Only to enable the sub-launch feature in Henk's enhanced version of Showbattery. Otherwise, no you don't need Accessorizer.


Also, I played around with the macros last night and finally got the second one I was attempting to work (user error, not related to this version of Showbattery) and I'm not having any conflicts with this app and my macros. Sorry cyberdude. I hope this gets worked out for you real soon.

[cyberdude]

Only to enable the sub-launch feature in Henk's enhanced version of Showbattery. Otherwise, no you don't need Accessorizer.


Also, I played around with the macros last night and finally got the second one I was attempting to work (user error, not related to this version of Showbattery) and I'm not having any conflicts with this app and my macros. Sorry cyberdude. I hope this gets worked out for you real soon.
Thanks for trying. I'm a litttle bummed that I can't get any of the latest versions to work, but I'm dealing ...

Edit: I just retried 1.03 and had the same problems. back to 1.00 ...

[cyberdude]

I haven't tried 1.07 yet, but here are my results with previous versions.
Device: TX
Macro Keys: all, including macro keys in mykbd keyboard
Before reset everything works fine, after reset nothing works whether I disable or enable SB. This includes the popup when I tap and hold home in the statusbar.

It just occured to me do I have to readd SB to my UC list even though it's already there. Has the creator ID changed (this happened to me with backoff! - even though the filename was the same the creator id changed so it wouldn't work correctly until I deleted it and readded it to the UC list)?????? :confused: :eek:
Bump ...

Has anybody had to re add SB to their UC list in order to make it work?

[pokeypda]

last night I was using Resco Photo Viewer and the icons (zoom in, zoom out, rotate....) wouldn't work until I disabled ShowBattery v.1.06.

[FerdFerd]

Bump ...

Has anybody had to re add SB to their UC list in order to make it work?ShowBattery isn't available to me in the UnCache list any longer. It disappeared when it became a preferences panel. And it does survive a soft reset for me.

None of the preference panel applications on my TX show up in UnCache.

[tosbsas]

same here - on t3 (:-)) I know doesn't need uncache, but makes resets and whole palm faster and crisper

Ruben

[cyberdude]

I will add the regular download link on the start page.
I couldn't find a link on your website, did I miss something?

[PinCushionQueen]

ShowBattery isn't available to me in the UnCache list any longer. It disappeared when it became a preferences panel. And it does survive a soft reset for me.

None of the preference panel applications on my TX show up in UnCache.

Interesting... You are correct I don't find any of the prefs panel apps available for addition to my unCache list. However, ShowBattery is in my unCache list - must be left over from a long time ago.

Also regarding the "Find" in the Recents/Favorites list - I don't get "Find" in my list even after using it to search for something. Wonder why you guys are seeing it in the list? I'm using myKbd v1.43 and ShowBattery v1.03. Do you by chance still have HomeWithFind installed? IIRC even if you install and activate mySkin/myKbd's home button feature - HomeWithFind will override it. I had to completely delete HWF before myKbd's feature would work (and I remember needing to change attributes in Filez to be able to delete it)- but I could be way off base, this was a very long time ago :o

@Cyberdude - I'm sorry that this is still not working for you :( I can't figure out why it's not... All of my macros still work. Do you install the new version of ShowBattery then turn it off->on then reset? Or are you resetting immediately? I turn it off/on first and then only reset way later between backups. Why are you needing to reset right away? or are you using reset to activate the new version?

[cyberdude]

Interesting... You are correct I don't find any of the prefs panel apps available for addition to my unCache list. However, ShowBattery is in my unCache list - must be left over from a long time ago.
Mine is also probably from a while ago. I need to vlean out my list - it is way too long.

Also regarding the "Find" in the Recents/Favorites list - I don't get "Find" in my list even after using it to search for something. Wonder why you guys are seeing it in the list? I'm using myKbd v1.43 and ShowBattery v1.03. Do you by chance still have HomeWithFind installed? IIRC even if you install and activate mySkin/myKbd's home button feature - HomeWithFind will override it. I had to completely delete HWF before myKbd's feature would work (and I remember needing to change attributes in Filez to be able to delete it)- but I could be way off base, this was a very long time ago :o
I originally had HWF installed before myKbd, but I too found I had to delete it by setting the recyclable bit and resetting in order for the mykbd function to work.

@Cyberdude - I'm sorry that this is still not working for you :( I can't figure out why it's not... All of my macros still work. Do you install the new version of ShowBattery then turn it off->on then reset? Or are you resetting immediately? I turn it off/on first and then only reset way later between backups. Why are you needing to reset right away? or are you using reset to activate the new version?
I turn showbattery off, install the new version, turn SB back on and everything works fine (this also works if I don't initially turn off SB, but then turn it off/on a couple of times). I perform a reset at this point to test if it survives a reset and it is at this point my HK and macros and home popup stop working. Turning SB off or deleting it and resetting does no good. To get functionality back I have to do a complete restore from backup. :(

[Ohappydaye]

Ahhh Cyberdude, I was incorrect. It turns out that I AM having the same problem as you with SOME macros not working with Henk's enhanced version of Showbattery.

For the "simple things" such as setting a macro for command bar(yea, it's not neccessary but it works), to hotsync or a date stamp. But when I try to set a macro for an app such as 2PlayMe or D2G, it won't work.

I was just beating my head against a wall last night and this morning over on BH about it when it just dawned on me what the problem might be. So I reverted back to Pruss' 1.02 and voila it began working. I'm going to go do a little trial and error work with each version Henk has released and see if any of them will allow me to set a macro to launch an app. I was working under 1.06 prior to reverting back to Pruss' 1.02 so I've got a few trials to undergo...but I'll report back.

See...you're not alone, doesn't that feel better? Misery always loves company! :p But I'm bummed b/c I really liked that sublauncher feature. Just when I figured out how to use it sufficiently I can't...or maybe I can, gotta run these trials.

I'll be back in a bit! :)

[cyberdude]

Ahhh Cyberdude, I was incorrect. It turns out that I AM having the same problem as you with SOME macros not working with Henk's enhanced version of Showbattery.

For the "simple things" such as setting a macro for command bar(yea, it's not neccessary but it works), to hotsync or a date stamp. But when I try to set a macro for an app such as 2PlayMe or D2G, it won't work.

I was just beating my head against a wall last night and this morning over on BH about it when it just dawned on me what the problem might be. So I reverted back to Pruss' 1.02 and voila it began working. I'm going to go do a little trial and error work with each version Henk has released and see if any of them will allow me to set a macro to launch an app. I was working under 1.06 prior to reverting back to Pruss' 1.02 so I've got a few trials to undergo...but I'll report back.

See...you're not alone, doesn't that feel better? Misery always loves company! :p But I'm bummed b/c I really liked that sublauncher feature. Just when I figured out how to use it sufficiently I can't...or maybe I can, gotta run these trials.

I'll be back in a bit! :)
How about an exchange of app lists?

[FerdFerd]

Also regarding the "Find" in the Recents/Favorites list - I don't get "Find" in my list even after using it to search for something.I don't get it anymore either. I had no clear idea why, but I reinstalled ShowBattery 1.02, Alex Pruss's latest version, and after that the Find at the bottom of the mySkin recently used list disappeared.

I think I have tracked down the cause though. Remember that MetaView's modifications of ShowBattery take over the functions provided by mySkin/myKbd. Without his modified version, if you go the the preferences menu in mySkin and uncheck the option to "Search by holding menu," but leave checked the option to place a "Home icon in TX status bar," the Find function appears at the bottom of the list that comes up when you tap-and-hold the home icon. Recheck the box to search from the menu button, and Find disappears from the recently used applications list.

I had never noticed this before, but it means that you do have access to the Find function, even if you don't use the option to do it through the Menu icon. That, in principle, would release the tap-and-hold function on the menu button for another use. In MetaView's case, it's to bring up the Command Bar.

I haven't been very much interested myself in using MetaView's reassignment of the Home icon to bring up ApplicationsDA. I prefer to have the recently used/favorites list. In my case, the hold-for-a-long-time feature for the Menu button in MetaView's modifications of ShowBattery is redundant, since Find is available at the bottom of the recently used applications list.

Sorry to go on like that. Hope I'm clear and that the information is useful to someone.

Edit: I just put v1.07 back and found that whether the Find application appears at the bottom of the recently used applications list has nothing to do with the ShowBattery options. It's all controlled by whether search from the menu is enabled in mySkin.

Edit 2: It does pay to reread instructions once in a while. There was no mystery to be solved at all. From Alex Pruss's own documentation, "You can choose whether you want the search function to work by holding down the statusbar menu button. If not, you will get a search option in the popup list of last applications instead."

[juggernaut#2]

juggernaut#2:
* Long on Menu (3 secs) should bring the Find dialog
it doesn´t. i can hold as long as i like, whenever i lift the pen it gives me the command bar.
i´m using findhack, though.

(home button is answered, i forgot - nexave, ich werde alt :)

[Ohappydaye]

How about an exchange of app lists?

I'd be happy to, but is there an easier way to do this rather than simply type out everything I have on my TX?

[FerdFerd]

I don't know what use this is, but I can run ShowBattery 1.07 and my hard key macros in mySkin all work perfectly normally. One activates a normal application (H4 = Calculator). The others involve press and holds to activate Accessorizer DAs. H2 = CalendarDA, H3 = ContactsDA, and H4 = CalcDA.

[juggernaut#2]

IIRC even if you install and activate mySkin/myKbd's home button feature - HomeWithFind will override it. I had to completely delete HWF before myKbd's feature would work
i kept on using HWF because whenever i turned on mykbd´s function, it wouldn´t let me skin the home button !?

(i did not investigate this further, i am, just like FerdFerd, only interested in the functionality of HWF, i.e. having a recent-app list and a find command, so it really didn´t matter to me if this was provided by HWF or mykbd).

@FerdFerd: i second that. no loss of macros here. maybe it´s an uncache issue?