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quasar
01-19-2007, 09:45 PM
As you may or may not have seen, today Brighthand reported on an Engadget Mobile story detailing a leaked product road-map for Sprint/Nextel for the first half of the year. The list ends with the Palm Sherlock in June. Engadget thinks it's just a new Treo, but I'm convinced it's more.

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12749
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/18/hands-on-with-sprints-1h-07-roadmap/

At first, one might dismiss it as a codename. However, if you look at the list, you'll see that all of the phones have real model numbers, not simply codenames. Yes, it is possible that the Sherlock isn't named yet, but if it were a Treo, wouldn't Sprint put "Treo" on the list? So, assuming that it is, indeed, a new device, let's look at what clues to it's characteristics the name gives us.


Palm Inc. named their devices strictly by letters and numbers between the time of the 3com buyout and the release of Palm OS 5.0- no words. Afterwards, beginning with the Tungsten T, Palm named it's devices with names that represented something about the device. The "T" stood for Travel, the T|W stood for Wireless, the "E" stood for Economic, etc. The only time since the Pilot that Palm named the device itself, and not a series, with a real word is the LifeDrive, using the slogan, "What drives your life?". The name and slogan reflected how Palm wanted the LifeDrive to be a center for your life, with a list of things it could do posted prominently on the packaging (music, movies, docs, email, etc.). Partially from the the single-word name, I contend that the Sherlock is an extension of the Mobile Manager category. Since the experimental LifeDrive has recently been EOL'd, it's plausible that a device is going to replace it soon. Palm may be focused on Treo smartphones, but as Alan said in the podcast, they are a mobile computing company, not a smartphone company. The LifeDrive was as much a mobile computer as any Palm, perhaps even more so because of it's HDD.

So, what could the name "Sherlock" mean? The only Sherlock of real reputation is Sherlock Holmes, the famous fictional detective. What characteristics did he have? He was very clever, and could learn things from facts his peers were oblivious to, because he had trained himself to do so. He could figure out how information was relevant to whatever he was researching, regardless of whether or not it seemed to even matter. He was very intelligent. Now, compare these traits with Jeff Hawkins' description of his pet project:

I always think of mobile computing as personal computing. This long-term vision has led us through everything -- first the organizers and now through the smart phone space. It's like everything a personal computer is. Continue down that path. What are the implications of a world where everyone has a super high-speed Internet connection in their pocket and many gigabytes of storage, super-fast processors, audio, visual and multimedia? What are the consequences of that? How will that change computing when you have all that stuff available to you all the time? I try to think into the future. That's how we come up with new products. So I'm not going to tell you what it is, but it's following the consequences of mobile computing.This device has super-fast processors- the chief piece of hardware that allows computers to be (almost) genuinely intelligent. It has access to A/V input and the Internet all the time. Yes, the Treo falls into the category, but it's far from revolutionary. It's apparent that Jeff is leaving things out of his description of the so-called Hawk, or he'd just say it's a Treo. So, let's pair things that we know about Jeff Hawkins and the Hawk together with the characteristics of the name Sherlock.

First, Jeff's hobby is brain research. He studies how the brain interacts with the world around it, and it's been assumed for some time now that that research will play a significant role in the development of the Hawk.

Second, the thing that keeps the Treo, with it's A/V input and Internet connection, from being as smart as Sherlock is the lack of knowledge of how the brain works. Sherlock Holmes understood human nature and was able to use that to solve mysteries.
The Hawk will also be able to do this, by learning from it's surroundings and your use habits what you want to do.

Now, the Hawk could still be a long ways off, right? Well, the thing that makes me think that the Sherlock is it is the timing. We know that Palm has been hard at work on both Palm OS II and the Hawk for a long time, and the two surely go together- what's a next-generation device without a next-generation operating system?. We also know that Palm is going to be a sinking ship if they don't get a new OS out this year, preferably before the middle of the year. Palm can't compete with other Windows Mobile devices or the iPhone with an OS that hasn't been updated in two years, and what's a next-gen OS without a next-gen device to take advantage of it? So, I reason that the two must be paired, and Sherlock is a name I would give only to a super-smart next-generation device.

So, that's my take on the Palm Sherlock. What do you think?

+Kardboard+
01-19-2007, 10:02 PM
Interesting. Way to read into all of this! Could well be...only time will tell...that and the Boy Genius. :D

JAmerican
01-19-2007, 10:06 PM
As you may or may not have seen, today Brighthand reported on an Engadget Mobile story detailing a leaked product road-map for Sprint/Nextel for the first half of the year. The list ends with the Palm Sherlock in June. Engadget thinks it's just a new Treo, but I'm convinced it's more.

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12749
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/18/hands-on-with-sprints-1h-07-roadmap/

At first, one might dismiss it as a codename. However, if you look at the list, you'll see that all of the phones have real model numbers, not simply codenames. Yes, it is possible that the Sherlock isn't named yet, but if it were a Treo, wouldn't Sprint put "Treo" on the list? So, assuming that it is, indeed, a new device, let's look at what clues to it's characteristics the name gives us.


Palm Inc. named their devices strictly by letters and numbers between the time of the 3com buyout and the release of Palm OS 5.0- no words. Afterwards, beginning with the Tungsten T, Palm named it's devices with names that represented something about the device. The "T" stood for Travel, the T|W stood for Wireless, the "E" stood for Economic, etc. The only time since the Pilot that Palm named the device itself, and not a series, with a real word is the LifeDrive, using the slogan, "What drives your life?". The name and slogan reflected how Palm wanted the LifeDrive to be a center for your life, with a list of things it could do posted prominently on the packaging (music, movies, docs, email, etc.). Partially from the the single-word name, I contend that the Sherlock is an extension of the Mobile Manager category. Since the experimental LifeDrive has recently been EOL'd, it's plausible that a device is going to replace it soon. Palm may be focused on Treo smartphones, but as Alan said in the podcast, they are a mobile computing company, not a smartphone company. The LifeDrive was as much a mobile computer as any Palm, perhaps even more so because of it's HDD.

So, what could the name "Sherlock" mean? The only Sherlock of real reputation is Sherlock Holmes, the famous fictional detective. What characteristics did he have? He was very clever, and could learn things from facts his peers were oblivious to, because he had trained himself to do so. He could figure out how information was relevant to whatever he was researching, regardless of whether or not it seemed to even matter. He was very intelligent. Now, compare these traits with Jeff Hawkins' description of his pet project:

This device has super-fast processors- the chief piece of hardware that allows computers to be (almost) genuinely intelligent. It has access to A/V input and the Internet all the time. Yes, the Treo falls into the category, but it's far from revolutionary. It's apparent that Jeff is leaving things out of his description of the so-called Hawk, or he'd just say it's a Treo. So, let's pair things that we know about Jeff Hawkins and the Hawk together with the characteristics of the name Sherlock.

First, Jeff's hobby is brain research. He studies how the brain interacts with the world around it, and it's been assumed for some time now that that research will play a significant role in the development of the Hawk.

Second, the thing that keeps the Treo, with it's A/V input and Internet connection, from being as smart as Sherlock is the lack of knowledge of how the brain works. Sherlock Holmes understood human nature and was able to use that to solve mysteries.
The Hawk will also be able to do this, by learning from it's surroundings and your use habits what you want to do.

Now, the Hawk could still be a long ways off, right? Well, the thing that makes me thing that the Sherlock is it is the timing. We know that Palm has been hard at work on both Palm OS II and the Hawk for a long time, and the two surely go together- what's a next-generation device without a next-generation operating system. We also know that Palm is going to be a sinking ship if they don't get a new OS out this year, preferably before the middle of the year. Palm can't compete with other Windows Mobile devices or the iPhone with an OS that hasn't been updated in two years, and what's a next-gen OS without a next-gen device to take advantage of it? So, I reason that the two must be paired, and Sherlock is a name I would give only to a super-smart next-generation device.

So, that's my take on the Palm Sherlock. What do you think?

Great analysis. Wow. That's deep. I never thought of it that way but it would seem that June is the perfect time if not earlier to release the device. Palm now facing competition from both Apple and Microsoft ODM's, they may actually start coming out with stable, usable products, or face defeat. I think Colligan is very arrogant. You could see it in his comment about Apple coming out with a phone. Now that he sees that Apple don't play, he's getting worried. During the time where basically Palm was on their own due to the end of the Zodiac and CLIE, Palm relaxed way too much IMO. They should have been gunhoe and been making decisions that would allow them to be ready for such a thing as the iPhone. While I don't think the iPhone will get as many people as the iPod did due to its cost, there is talk about the price possibly being lowered. If that happens, people will definately be jumping for it. It will be like gas prices going from $3 to $2.13. People run out to the pumps. Just the difference makes it more favorable and affordable.

We will see. I already got another feature phone. I don't have the money to be spending on EVDO or EDGE, although I will possibly be able to use $5 EDGE through T-Mobile on my TX. Right now, I am waiting for another PDA. In 2009, I may be looking for a smartphone.

dpc
01-20-2007, 11:52 AM
That was deep, and would be really cool. I'm crossing my fingers.

I think maybe a few weeks ago michael mace discussed how colligan's comments were actually taken out of context, check out his blog 'mobile opportunity' for the detail.

Joel
01-20-2007, 04:53 PM
quasar made me think...

The Palm Sherlock could be a device that gets information from the web, reformats it for the Palm for mobile viewing and syncs with the TV at home. A user interface lets you view your calendar, tasks, weather, and news all in one page. Navigating around the screen with your Palm lets you zoom in on the content. Everything would be a new channel on your TV. Of course this would suck on an analog TV but would look great on LCD and Plasma.

There are currently two devices that are similar in nature: the Apple TV and the Wii. The Wii has channels for content that syncs to the web but it offers gaming. The Apple TV syncs content with the Mac and offers video and music. I believe the Palm Sherlock will be using a little of both devices' features and would add its own: sync to a portable device.

I think there's a market for the "living room" that Nintendo and Apple (Microsoft and Sony too) are slowly fighting space for. Palm could get a share of the space by offering information and portability. Imagine waking up to the Palm channel: check who emailed, who's celebrating their birthdays, what news happened when you were asleep, and what's the weather like outside in one glance. While going around doing your buisness, the phone rings and up pops the picture of the caller on your TV. You know who it is but you can't answer it yet, so Palm Sherlock records a message, and sends an SMS to the caller and notes this in your Memos. Before going out, you sync the devices to bring your RSS and podcast feeds with you.

LOL, I'm already laughing at my post. Forgive the rant of a caffeine-deprived person :) Time to grind and brew!

Colormeweb
01-20-2007, 08:25 PM
I have lost faith in Palm. I'm sure it will be underwhelming.
Long live my T3.

JAmerican
01-21-2007, 10:04 AM
I have lost faith in Palm. I'm sure it will be underwhelming.
Long live my T3.

Yea I feel the same in regards to NVFS and 5.4 period. Seems like all 5.4 devices have just been ridden with bugs and crashing. I wish I could get a Widescreen Palm OS 5.2 device with WiFi and BT. I know the TH has this but only the expensive European does and I don't want to go back to 2GB MS.

JAmerican

HzR
01-21-2007, 10:40 AM
Interesting theory! It might explain their cool reaction to the iPhone.
A Palm device with a new OS that takes knowledge from brain research (he's written a very interesting book about it by the way) could be another eye opener this year. I still see the iPhone as a media player with a phone built in, and Palm as a buisiness tool though.
Maybe it will learn what information you're looking at, and what other info you need with it. So you get all relevent information to a certain theme presented on the screen (adresses, notes, news) The way the brain wrks with predictions...

That's just hoping for now, it might just be an updated Treo. But I agree that they do need a new OS and new devices soon to keep up!

BaDZeD
01-21-2007, 11:54 AM
Well, according to Dave Beers(http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/), Palm has stepped up its practices in hiring people in the Linux, Wifi, and VOIP fields (and the number of job postings has significantly increased after the purchase of Garnet license). I think a new OS is coming soon(keeping my fingers crossed).

On the off topic, i ran into a web site of a chinese smartphone manufacturer e28. http://www.e28.com/ Their phones look awesome and the lists of features and specs are amazing but there is no pricing or buying info and google search comes up with nothing. Has anyone seen any of these around (especially e2881 and e2862)?

TeeJay1969
01-21-2007, 03:41 PM
In line with Joels post yesterday.

If PALM is putting together a product like Joel mentions in his post - then put me in line to purchase it the day it debuts. If logic were to dictate how and what PALM has been, and is to be, then this is exactly what the next OS should do for us.

If we were to think of it as our personal Major Domo, or guy friday type of gizmo, this is exactly what it should be. It must keep us connected on such a level, that if it were to go missing, we would be lost, without it.

Get my mail, check the news, let someone know I'll get back to them, and let me know whats going on when I turn it on in the morning, and put all that in my hand, without breaking my bank account doing it??? HELL YEAH! Thats for me baby!! Keep the iPhone, and bring me the SHERLOCK whatever you want to call it. I need this and I needed it yesterday!

burtba
01-21-2007, 06:51 PM
Mmmm, I guess I'd agree with many points, especially one poster who believes it will retreive info from the web. This is THE most plausable advance of utilisation of current technologies.

New technologies, take a long time to take off, integrate and be accepted by developers and end users.
Where as new ideaologies with existing current technology get accepted almost immediately, especially if they are ground breaking, they can really take off.
The ipod has used currently existing technologies all the way, and they have taken the world by storm. Sure massive advertising helps, but you get what I mean?

Yep info from the web I reckon.

BUT ABOVE ALL, It is still well know that Palm, heavily talk up their new products and they are often old idea's and dissapointing.

Maybe with the 680 and the quick response for the battery issue, we are seeing a NEW palm inc. Fingers crossed.

Excellent food for thought quasar!

JAmerican
01-21-2007, 11:02 PM
Mmmm, I guess I'd agree with many points, especially one poster who believes it will retreive info from the web. This is THE most plausable advance of utilisation of current technologies.

New technologies, take a long time to take off, integrate and be accepted by developers and end users.
Where as new ideaologies with existing current technology get accepted almost immediately, especially if they are ground breaking, they can really take off.
The ipod has used currently existing technologies all the way, and they have taken the world by storm. Sure massive advertising helps, but you get what I mean?

Yep info from the web I reckon.

BUT ABOVE ALL, It is still well know that Palm, heavily talk up their new products and they are often old idea's and dissapointing.

Maybe with the 680 and the quick response for the battery issue, we are seeing a NEW palm inc. Fingers crossed.

Excellent food for thought quasar!

Not new, just worried by competition now lol...

JAmerican

Modnar
01-23-2007, 12:43 AM
Not new, just worried by competition now lol...

JAmerican

Yeah I do tend to agree with this as Palm did need a bit of a kick up the rear end esp now that loads of site have to iphone listed in there top phones/pdas list and it hasn't even come out yet (eg brighthand with eh iphone at no3) so we may see a new palm co. *please please please*

BaDZeD
01-29-2007, 03:00 PM
Check this out:
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=Palm.AS.&OS=AN/Palm&RS=AN/Palm

It a patent application made by palm a few days ago about a communication method between TWO devices ONE of which is connected to the net.

which makes me wonder if sherlock is one device or two (sherlock/watson???)???

Maybe were talking about a slingbox type setup, where you would connect to the machine with the server and it would actually do all the processing ?? :confused:

keithwwalker
01-29-2007, 03:30 PM
Phone
Widescreen, landscape or portrait
Bluetooth, stereo
Wifi
Solid state hard drive, no disk drive
NO ATTACHED KEYBOARD!!!!
New OS
Skype capability

Basically an updated LifeDrive or TH55 with phone

+Kardboard+
01-29-2007, 10:08 PM
Check this out:
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=Palm.AS.&OS=AN/Palm&RS=AN/Palm

It a patent application made by palm a few days ago about a communication method between TWO devices ONE of which is connected to the net.

which makes me wonder if sherlock is one device or two (sherlock/watson???)???

Maybe were talking about a slingbox type setup, where you would connect to the machine with the server and it would actually do all the processing ?? :confused:

HAHAHAH Watson!?!? I can see it now, a Palm Sherlock which is the spiritual successor to the LifeDrive, has Hawkins-related learning computer tech built-in, and its companion is the Palm Treo Watson. :D:D