New NX at Best Buy Before June

[OcellNuri]

I know this is said over and over, but I just wanted to share. I just got done speaking with one of my buddies at Best Buy and I brought up the next NX handhelds. He said that he saw on the Retailer Weekly two new Clie's. One was the next NX70V and the other was the next NX60. So the two handhelds being put out are only in the NX line. I was dissapointed though, because this kills any chance of a Hires+ T-series, unless the NX60 replacement is non-clamshell, which I doubt.

He said that Best Buy will have them on the shelves before the end of May. I ram the rummored specs (300mhz, 32meg, 1megpixel, Bluetooth) by him and though he couldn't recall the listed specs he said that sounded about right. I forgot to ask about price, but I would expect the same prices that the NX70V and NX60 handhelds launched at.

[Clied]

Are you sure?

[Homie_S]

I ask the same question. This sounds a bit shenanigany to me.

[Unregistered]

please post the link! thanks! this rocks - a 400 mhz clie t series!

[n2ifp]

We all know new models are coming, so the end of May doesn't sound far fetched to me. Sony dropped the NX prices, so we always know that's a sign that new models are coming :)!

[jmg_NX21]

CF slot???

Cool, I may be tempted (esp) if measurements are kept the same...

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by jmg_NX21
CF slot???

Cool, I may be tempted (esp) if measurements are kept the same...

Yep, me too!

[Jeff146]

What's retailer weekly? Is that a magazine?

[aChistu]

basically

[Jeff146]

I see do they have a website where we could read the articles?

[sheik28]

Originally posted by Unregistered
please post the link! thanks! this rocks - a 400 mhz clie t series!

Maybe if you read a little closer you wuold see that he says ...this kills any chance of a Hires+ T-series, unless the NX60 replacement is non-clamshell, which I doubt.

[CopyCat]

Originally posted by Jeff146
I see do they have a website where we could read the articles?

retailer weekly is something that BestBuy employees can access through in store computers to see what kinda stock BB has on stuff and what new products they will be carrying soon. Im not sure if you can view them out of store, I only worked there a few months.

[Jeff146]

Oh ok thnx a lot

That clears things up!

[OcellNuri]

I am NOT SURE about the specs 100%, but I would put money on it. I AM sure that the NX70V and NX60 replacements will be on the shelves of Best Buy before the end of May.

Thanks to everyone for clearing up questions while I was out tonight.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by Homie_S
I ask the same question. This sounds a bit shenanigany to me.

I don't really see why. Actually, if Sony released that, it still wouldn't quite have all the specs as the Tungsten C. So, I hope that it was a possible underestimate on the specs, though I doubt it since those spec would see to be the next logical step up.

[clie4all]

I will check retail weekly tommorow (sat) at work and post if there is something new.

[Homie_S]

Originally posted by cbulock


I don't really see why. Actually, if Sony released that, it still wouldn't quite have all the specs as the Tungsten C. So, I hope that it was a possible underestimate on the specs, though I doubt it since those spec would see to be the next logical step up.

Fair enough. Yea, heaven forbid Sony gets logical for once.

DURRRR WE WONT BUY A CF LISCENSE BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE MOOORRE MONEY DURRRR

And they put a slot in their own devices. Shame on them.

By the way, I dig your site and your FAQ dude.

[Marudine]

I believe is very much depend on each individual. Asthetically, the main different between T/C and the possible nx replacement should be the display. The former has the smallest and the latter has the largest.

Though the specs (according to the nx replacement rumors) seem that the T/C is more superior, but it lags of two important issues that cause it to be more inferior as compare to SONY clie.

1) The made of the shell. According to some, T/C is very "plastic" and hence looks very "cheap".

2) The specs for T/C is not in favour of entertainment usage as it has inferior MP3 & movie quality/no digicam/unfriendly loaded programs etc.

[Marudine]

Clie4all, I believe many people here are waiting for some answers regarding the new clie. Thanks for your kind volunteer, and we are here waiting for your post.

[Homie_S]

But I thought the T/C was meant for the business type user, and that was what Palm's target was for that device. So I would imagine that people won't go for the T/C solely because it doesn't have the cool stuff they're looking for based on that alone (just as you said). The new NX might be a better seller even if the specs weren't as great just due to the fact it's more oriented on entertainment, as almost all of their devices are (Case in point=NZ).

There was a thread on PIC somewhere talking about how Sony is mostly a consumer based electronics company. Palm is usually targeting the business-like audience while sony is looking for the people who want the technology and have entertainment (me).

EDIT: I can't speel.

[Marudine]

Homie_S, me too. That's why I'm waiting for the new clie. I've previously fighting my own thoughts whether to go for a nx or nz, and soon I heard about the nx replacement, I've been excited about it till now ...

[OcellNuri]

Excellent post Homie_S. Those statements, in my opinion, are dead on and completely accurate.

[Homie_S]

Ah. Well here's to hoping sony gets smart. And keeps the CF card slot to use with the new CF driver :)

[ashVID]

Actually the biggest factor for most people will be the price. If we can sell our NX70s and add $100 it would be worth it BUUUT... The market for a used NX70 is about $300 - $350 right now (not bad for those of use who $359) If the new units are $599+ tax you can forget it... at least for me... if the high end one is $399 you will see a FLOOD of NX70s headed to eBay... I personally think Sony is moving too fast. I mean we are already talking OS6 devices by the end of the year... WHY!!?? Most of the software I love is still working on OS5 hi-rez updates... Another factor will be backward compatability, will all my accessories work with the new units???? Will the CF driver?


ash =o)

[Unregistered]

hey ocellNuri and clie4all....report to admin for your PCR!!! heheheh just messin!..i guess i'll find out too about these supposedly new clie's comming out in late May from the good ol weekly retail thingy....Come to think of it...it would be the first time reading this weekly thing at BB out of this whole entire 1 1/2 years of working there...especially at Cust. Service. :P.....yeah yeah...i'm a slacker!

[muybweno]

oops thats was me up above!

[T1000X]

ashVID, you bring up a good point. I paid the full price for my NR70V when it came out, only to turn around and sell for almost a fourth of what I paid for it seven months later. Think of it this way. Sony is the GM (General Motors) of the PDA business. They don't really build them to last, or to excel in any particular area (although they do very well when it comes to multimedia). They try to crank out as many models as fast as possible - and make a wide selection so there is a model for everyone - so they can get more money. Knowing and realizing this when you buy a Sony is important, because I've seen it turn away some Clie users.

Now, I've mentioned that in the past I would upgrade if the price was right and the next unit had the features I wanted (32MB or more, faster CPU, better battery life, Bluetooth) but now after using the NX70V for a month straight it really fits my needs perfectly. I use it to watch animated shorts on, and do various other things. As for the MP3 aspect, I'm getting a hard drive based MP3 player for that. Bluetooth would be nice, but I feel confident that either EruWare or someone else will write a driver for one of the CF versions.

It's especially agravating for those that buy an "older" model and only find out it is discontinued a month or less later. I've had it happen to me, but then I realize the average life expectancy of a Sony model is 4 to 7 months.

[OcellNuri]

The way I look at it...

If you buy a unit for $600, use it for 8 months, and then can sell it for $350, you have paid $250 to use that unit for 8 months. Does that make sense? I know that isn't always financially possible to keep up with, when there are new units coming out every few months, but that is the way I justify it in my head.

I use the same logic when I buy anything when it first comes out (like a new mp3 player). I pay top dollar for it. The price may drop quite a bit later, but I don't get pissed for not waiting, because the difference in price I paid was worth the time I had been using the device so far.

[Palm Cow]

That, though, is precisely why it is best to skip a Sony generation or two. Or get the Best Buy extended warrenty. My SJ20 is going to hold me out until long after the SJ22 dies. BOOM! Then I might just upgrade, when I find something that fits my budget and fits my usage style better. That won't be hard, since they will all be color ;) .

[MikeD]

And if the T|C was for business, and it has that kind of power being packed in there... imagine what sony should put out for "entertainment" purposes.... Theoretically, it shouldn't be less than what the business people get!

Originally posted by Homie_S
But I thought the T/C was meant for the business type user, and that was what Palm's target was for that device. So I would imagine that people won't go for the T/C solely because it doesn't have the cool stuff they're looking for based on that alone (just as you said). The new NX might be a better seller even if the specs weren't as great just due to the fact it's more oriented on entertainment, as almost all of their devices are (Case in point=NZ).

There was a thread on PIC somewhere talking about how Sony is mostly a consumer based electronics company. Palm is usually targeting the business-like audience while sony is looking for the people who want the technology and have entertainment (me).

EDIT: I can't speel.

[Homie_S]

For us that don't have a lot of income (I'm 16 and have a lot of other things to pay for besides a PDA), It's pretty important to have a tight budget. I got my NX 3 weeks after their release because I found one cheap enough on the internet and an extended warranty and all that jazz. So the problem for people like me (I'd say there are quite a few of us) is trying to get what we want and having it trying to be low price. I pretty much agree with OcelNuri's statements on the financial issues of 'paying' for your NX and then selling it, but since Sony is releasing better high end devices all the time, we want to keep up. Assume Sony does release the new high end NX at the end of the month. I will only have about 6 months worth of usage out of my clie. Using Ocel's math, 2 months short = not getting it's worth.

SO! with this all in mind, I have to wait longer and wait for the high end device when I know I can sell my used NX for a decent price and then have the money to get another high end one from sony. But what about a new OS by then? or just new hardware in all. SOMETHING will change, and it will hard to get support for it. I just think this business gets way to crazy to try to keep up with sony and their antics.

I also agree with AshVID, I think they're strategy of just crankin these things out like a prostitute without birth control is good in the short run, because people feel like they have to update to keep up with the high end technology, but in the long run, people will lose support due to the change in technology. Kind of a crooked strategy, but Sony does these things thinking we fall for it like lemmings off a cliff.

apologies for grammar, I just woke up.

[MikeD]

Right!! I got my NR70V when it came out... then, the NX came out.. Then.. The NZ came out... You don't have to get each successive version.. Skip one or two and it'll be a good upgrade process. Imagine if we did this upgrading thing with cars!!

Mike

[Stumper]

Mike said it best skip a few versions before moving up. I just moved to the NZ90 from an old N760C and the only reason I moved at all was the fact my N760C was crushed by a fat lady on an airplane (it's a long story). Sure it's tempting to move from new to the latest and greatest but it's impossible unless you have more money than Bill Gates.

[cliejunkie]

Sorry about your clie death. It must have been hard. I loved the 760 and miss it still even though I moved to a nr. I'd go balistic if someone sat on it or broke it. It's always good having lawyers in the family :D . But now I am holding off for another week or so until the new models. Wait! Did I just say that! DOOH! :p

[muldermx]

I dont want that big CF thingie - for the size and bulk it adds i'd prefer to pay a bit more on MS cards - and the CD's take battery life anyway...

what do u ppl think?

[corrado85]

if sony keeps doing this thing (bringin out new pda every 5-6months) sony will not have my support 90% of the people are middle class and i sure hope so that they arent stupid to keep upgrading and let sony rip u off. so if sony keeps doin this this yr, i am going back to ipaq!

[cliejunkie]

I am in total agreement on the cf slot. rumors have been floating that sony's coming out with a retractable cf slot but I have not heard such from reliable sources. I am hoping this is an option and not a standard but I doubt it.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by corrado85
if sony keeps doing this thing (bringin out new pda every 5-6months) sony will not have my support 90% of the people are middle class and i sure hope so that they arent stupid to keep upgrading and let sony rip u off. so if sony keeps doin this this yr, i am going back to ipaq!

See, this doesn't make sense. You don't have to upgrade with each model as the others have pointed out. Seems like the best idea is to wait a couple of models before doing an upgrade. At least Sony updates enough so that there are always up to date models out. Palm is just now FINALLY catching up. Sony doesn't rip me off. I only give them money when I want something new. I don't just hand them money every time a model comes out. They can't force you to upgrade.

[muldermx]

well I have a t615c and want to upgrade and am thinking between the NR70v the NX70 and the NXTNG (the next generation)

Anyone know of great prices apart from the overstock.com site (they dont take international mastercards)

[abosco]

I'm tapping my foot waiting for these new Clies.

I know it's been said and said again, but I'll just list a few specs I really want out of an updated NX70v.

-300-400 MHz PXA255
-32-64 MB RAM (Take out all the dynamic heap you want, just give me more than 11 MB usable, damn it!)
-Built-in Bluetooth
-Fully supported CF slot and MSPro slot
-OS 5.2.1
-Same beautiful 320x480 screen
-1.3 MP camera, 320x240 video capture (PLEASE!)
-Enhanced and backlit keyboard (exact opposite of TG's keyboard)
-Some real buttons on the black piece of plastic when in tablet
-D-Pad for better online experience
-Larger battery
-Same exact design, maybe even something crazy like the CF slot slides in when not in use
-I want this all for the same price of $600 as my NX70v. I've got a Best Buy warranty with your name on it.

Nothing would be able to compete with such a unit.

[muldermx]

"Sony doesn't rip me off. I only give them money when I want something new. I don't just hand them money every time a model comes out. They can't force you to upgrade."

Oh yes they can - with their mind controlling HypnoPlaystation2 ;)
dont u loveim...

[cliejunkie]

Originally posted by corrado85
if sony keeps doing this thing (bringin out new pda every 5-6months) sony will not have my support 90% of the people are middle class and i sure hope so that they arent stupid to keep upgrading and let sony rip u off. so if sony keeps doin this this yr, i am going back to ipaq!

Although I hear your point... You gotta realize that technology nowadays grows so fast that Sony needs to do this to be competitive. HP/Compaq does this as well. If they didn't, it would really hamper progress. Imagine if an automaker came out with a new model every seven years. I imagine someday technology will evolve on a month to month basis. Hopefully, it will be biodegradable then to reduce polution.

[muldermx]

how about a smaller NX : MiniNX

[jklfafa]

spekaing of waiting...way back in 98,....i started with sgarp organizers.....then....after a few, i got the palm professional.....way back..........it was cool...had the hard case..like a calculator........went ce for a while....i must say...ipaq 3600 was the newest rave in 2000....it actually stayed on top for a long timeeeee...but now nx is my first sony.........man, i didnt know there were so many issues.....bad support an pricy for repairs?

[clie4all]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but neither this weeks retail weekly or next weeks issue have anything about new clies. The only new thing added to the Best Buy DB today was the Tungsten C. I will check everyday at work for the new clies. Keep you posted!

[OcellNuri]

Is there any way you can check last week's? He said they wern't in the system yet, but there was just information about them.

[clie4all]

When I go in next week, I'll try to get a hold of the past retail weekly's. I'll have the info Monday night, if there is any.

[muldermx]

usually they first show them ogg in Japan....

[yOyOYoo]

I like the mini NX idea...

Imagine a Gameboy Advance SP type NX/TG type device.

A 320x 320 screen on one side, and a full sized keyboard on the other side... This device could open up the hindge 180 degrees, then close to form a tiny square, about half the size of the TG50. Now THIS would be a pocketable CLIE!

Tungsten T pocketable? please...

[ashVID]

I cant imagine the news of a new, much anticipated device being broken in a Best Buy ad... makes no sense really. I am willing to bet you will see a release in asia a couple months in advance of a release here. I suspect there will be nothing US-wise until the fourth quarter. Sony likes to build up anticipation, plug their devices at CES, NOT sneak them into the market thru BB ads. SOny is hemorraging for $$$ right now and they need a big opening week on any new technology to help morale and stock prices. The more I think if it, the LESS likely a new device in the near future is...



ash =o)

[muldermx]

yeah - exactly

japan first....

say what does the U stand for - NX70V U? in some online shops - is it a different model?

[Unregistered]

I don't believe he is referring to a public ad.

[ashVID]

Originally posted by Unregistered \
I don't believe he is referring to a public ad.

I know this...but it is a retail mag accessible by BB and other retail employees... sounds like BS to me.



ash =o)

[Palm Cow]

Originally posted by muldermx
yeah - exactly

japan first....

say what does the U stand for - NX70V U? in some online shops - is it a different model?

The "U" stands for USA; in Japan they're NX70V J, in Europe (I think) they're NX70V E (letter might be different). It's mostly about language...

[benixau]

please hold off - no new device yet: for at least 3-4 months. Why? Cause i want a NX70 and i can not afford a new release price. EOS. I want the NX70 and at AUD1050 (vs AUD1395 @ sonyStyle) i think it is the right time to buy. Just have to get my dad to plonk down some cash ......

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by ashVID
I cant imagine the news of a new, much anticipated device being broken in a Best Buy ad... makes no sense really.

The Retail Weekly is not the Sunday Best Buy ad. I am sure an employee can explain it better, but this is something that goes out to the stores showing them what they can expect to be carrying in the next few weeks.

BTW: Didn't the NZ90 come out in the US first? Was the TG50 Japan first or was it both US and Japan at the same time. I honestly can't remember.

[Unregistered]

In the past this is how we usually got our information. Someone (I think it was nevardeath) had access to the computer system or retail weekly at BB and would announce that there was a new clie in the system. It would show a release date, sku number, and price (I think) but didn't give any specs. So it's not like Sony is breaking it through BB or anything, just some info on release dates and such.

[pdagal]

Far as I remember, the TG50 was announced in Japan first.

Originally posted by OcellNuri


BTW: Didn't the NZ90 come out in the US first? Was the TG50 Japan first or was it both US and Japan at the same time. I honestly can't remember.

[abosco]

The U is USA, J is Japan, and H is Hong Kong.

Remember guys, we're going to find out about this new NX at the absolute last minute. That leaked PDF of the NX70v did wonders, but it'll never happen again. Remember the NZ90's release? That was an absolute shock. The same thing can happen here.

[oneeyesquare]

Agreed... The NZ came out of nowhere..... No rumors, nothing. BAM!!!! Funny we haven't seen a FCC leak like the TG yet...

[muldermx]

hope they make it slim and CFless

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by muldermx
hope they make it slim and CFless

DIE BLASPHEMER DIE!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED CHEAP AND ABUNDANT STORAGE!!!!!! *goes into fetal position*

[Jeffry]

I'm just wondering if the megapixel camera comes with FLASH...

[ashVID]

I KNOW it is not the Sunday ad... it is a retailer info publication... The NZ was shown at a MAJOR electonics show before it's release. It just makes no sense to release a new product with no promotion, lackluster sales could deal a HUGE blow to the Sony PDA division. They MAY do it but it seems like a poor and desperate move.

Another thing about the potential product will be battery life. My friend with an NZ RARELY makes it through an entire day without a recharge. He says it is because he uses the camera/flash a lot. According to him he can take 20 or so hi-rez pics with the flash before he gets a low battery warning. I just wish they would solve all the issues with their current machines before releasing new ones.



ash =o)

[Marudine]

Well, let's not discuss about how those sources come about and whether they are reliable. Of course you can choose to believe it or not. A very good example - just like Ayasin initiately prompted on the CF drive thing, look how many people believe him .. he also had a hard time trying to get people to pay for the beta.

So let's look forward and give some forsight to the coming clie. I believe most of us will be delighted tohear from those working in the BB to tell us what they can find on the retailer weekly regarding the new clie. Thanks.

[Mary j.]

Is the rumor about the next NX 1 megapixel also include flash (I know its just a rumor, but just asking)

[Marudine]

yes.

[OcellNuri]

I seriously hope it doesn't have a flash.

My reason: if it does, I feel like they will have to make the camera fixed. I dont' think there is room in the NX form factor for a flash to be added to the camera and be able to have the "lens" and the flash rotate together. I love my rotating lens!

[Marudine]

OcellNuri, by any chance can you get your BB friend to show you the retailer weekly on the new clie ? I believe you would love to see them yourself.

[OcellNuri]

Yea, I asked. He looked for it, but said the department manager took it home. He says the guy always puts all of them in his brief case and takes them home. We were both dissapointed.

But yes, I sure did ask to see it! :D

[Marudine]

O well, seems like we have to wait for those who are working for BB to get back to us regarding this new clie.

[ashVID]

I just remembered that I had a friend who works at BB..DUH! Just emailed him and he said he would check it out for me but he added that most the time the products may be listed a week, not a month in advance and that he has heard or seen nothing about a new Clie. He will check it out tomorrow though...


ash =o)

[Marudine]

sounds great ! At least now we have a number of sources checking concurrently at BB's retailer list. Hope to hear some good news in the coming posts.

[muldermx]

Well under 512 the CF's arnt that much cheaper and they are bulky and energy consuming....

Lets slim our clies

[ashVID]

But what about other devices mulder? You want to be stuck buying the MS version of EVERYTHING? If there was no CF they would need 2 MS slots. FYI, a 256 CF can be had for $35, a 256MB MS is more than THREE TIMES that price...


ash =o)

[muldermx]

ahh i didnt know that it was that cheap - i surfed some ash and found more expensive CF cards.

The thing is that with the dumb Sony decisions we will always need special drivers for all the great CF options... and sony made sure not to make the CF a standard CF interface...

[benixau]

the interface is standard - just no drivers to use it with. Now we have some. Brilliant. If sony did not want CF drivers at all it would have removed the capability from the low level OS consequently making it unable to do this at all.
They knew it would happen, just a matter of how soon.

[CosmicBlend]

Originally posted by muldermx
Well under 512 the CF's arnt that much cheaper and they are bulky and energy consuming....

Lets slim our clies

The CF Slot doesnt consume lots of power when using CF cards.

[muldermx]

how about space is it big and bulky or really nothing..?

[-MV-]

i dont really mind the bulge of my NX due to the CF slot...

[benixau]

Only bad thing about that bulge is that it prevents some freedom of the camera - not to much though so i don't really care. BTW - isnt it better to have a little bulge in the device than the whole device being that thick (PPC anyone?)

[patryn121]

Originally posted by OcellNuri


The Retail Weekly is not the Sunday Best Buy ad. I am sure an employee can explain it better, but this is something that goes out to the stores showing them what they can expect to be carrying in the next few weeks.


As a BB employee in the Wireless section maybe I can help. The Retail Weekly does sometimes show new products coming out but it's used mainly to inform salespeople about existing products and how to sell them.

The NZ was announced in the Merch section when it said the NZ-90 couldn't be put on display until a new holder came for it. The size was too large.

If I got switched over to say Home Theatre I could look at the Retail Weekly and in a few pages get the gist of the products enough to get the buzz words and get me started. That's what it's usually for.

Serena the Best Buy Chick

[Baker1369]

Originally posted by ashVID
But what about other devices mulder? You want to be stuck buying the MS version of EVERYTHING? If there was no CF they would need 2 MS slots.

If they integrate wifi or bluetooth on the next one, you won't necessarily need two ms slots.

[Rick 098]

i LIKE the bulge.

[muldermx]

... the battle for the bulge....

[dphar]

PANIC!!!!!!!!
I guess that I waited long enough! I just dropped my ever faithful T615 and cracked the screen. I can't go another month without a PDA, I would FREAK! And now I'm having problems with my lan connection on my laptop and getting here to do more research.

Haven't I read here that BestBuy had a 30 day policy on returns? Well the folks I spoke with said 15 days and if it is not defective there is a 15% restoking fee! Jeez that's $75 on a $499 NX70! Please advise with any help!

[aChistu]

Originally posted by dphar
Haven't I read here that BestBuy had a 30 day policy on returns? Well the folks I spoke with said 15 days and if it is not defective there is a 15% restoking fee! Jeez that's $75 on a $499 NX70! Please advise with any help!

Whoever you spoke to was wrong, its 30 days, no restocking fee.

[dphar]

Is there any way to find this in writing? Their website mentions 15 days and restocking for computers, printers, peripherals, etc but not specifically PDA's. But I spoke with a sales person and a manager and both were emphatic re 15 and restocking.

[patryn121]

aChistu is correct but there has been a change in the Service Plan BB Offers. Now if you bring a PDA back in for exchange, outside the original 30 days, you use up the Service Plan and you need to buy a new one.

Serena the Best Buy Chick

[Mr. and Mrs. Clie]

Hoax - the only new Clie that has any meat to it is the medium rare spare ribs.

But you gotta luv the new Hitachi.

[dphar]

Thanks to all for the prompt responses. I called BB HQ and they called the local store to make sure that they knew the real story! I am now in possession of my new NX70V! and it even looks like all the accessories (car adapter, cradle, laptop charger) will work with it!

Now there was brief mention as I purchased the warranty of a trade-n clause. Is this good only for the 30 days or does it extend through the length of the warranty?

Although sooner than I anticipated, I am pleased...Can't wait for this thing to charge so I can play!:D :D :D

Oh and by the way, I caught a glimpse of this "Retail Weekly" in a notebook they keep behind the counter and asked if there were mention of a new release. I'm pretty good at reading upside down and saw nothing...

[OcellNuri]

Maybe I need to reassess the credibility of my source eh? ;)

Well.. I got a job at Circuit City tonight, so from now my info should be first hand. :D

[dphar]

No, I figure that it may have been in a previous week's edition (so see if you can check out the archives). Just keep us all in the loop, Ocell...;)

[MikeD]

Congrats on the job btw.. Let us know if their extended warranty is actually a good deal as my cousin made me get one for my cell phone.. I wanna make sure that I can come in and exchange it if I have to in a year or two.

[clie4all]

I checked a month's worth of Retail Weekly's and didn't see anything about a new clie. I had an intresting thing come up though when I searched for nx's. I came across two entries for the NX70, one at 600 dollars and the other at 500. Weird, huh? Best Buy is doing some funny things with their pricing system. When the Zire 71 came out, it was listed at 649.99. The Tungsten C is now listed at 899.99. Next update - Saturday.

[Jeff146]

Thanks for the update clie4all
Keep checking there's bound to be something!

[muybweno]

man...i didn't find jack squat on these new NX versions coming out from the weekly retail dating from way back to december. I did an SISU lookup on the green screen and found no model # different other than the NX60 and NX70V. if you guys are saying that BB should have a new clie NX series comming out, the sku # should have already been posted on greenscreen @ BB, especially when you say by the end of June...i can lookup things on the green screen from at least 2 months in advance, (granted that it is comming out for sure)...
the only newest things that sony has added on their lists of models are the 3 memory sticks that are comming out...and i do believe that they are out already at the BB that i'm working at..

FYI on the price of MemStick PRO's...
Sony 1GB.....$639.99
Sony 512.....$319.99
Sony 256.....$149.99

and thats about it....but as always i'll keep you guys posted.

[Marudine]

Thanks muybweno for your update. I think this community is superb. Everyone is trying to chip in their contribution to keep most of us updated, especially those who are not sited in the US will appreciate more. Please keep your post coming.

OcellNuri, from some of the posts here, it seems like your friend might have a mistake regarding the new nx. I was so delighted to see your initial post, but now I think we still have to wait for a few more weeks. BTW, thanks for your update and congrats on your new job.

[T1000X]

If the MS Pros' were cheaper, I'd get a couple of the 1GB sticks. But, for me I spent $300 on a 20GB Hard Drive based MP3 player. Sorry, but I'll wait until Flash memory drops in price more.

[aChistu]

Originally posted by patryn121
aChistu is correct but there has been a change in the Service Plan BB Offers. Now if you bring a PDA back in for exchange, outside the original 30 days, you use up the Service Plan and you need to buy a new one.

Serena the Best Buy Chick

I just quit BB earlier this month... when did that PSP change begin? (I've two PDAs on PSP @ BB)... PDA PSP BB.. wee


Matt the former Best Buy..uhh.. Guy

[ashVID]

My friend confimed the above, no mention ANYWHERE of any new model Clie. I think maybe Ocean's friend mistaked the Tungsten and Zire which were prominently featured recently...

ash =o)

[OcellNuri]

Maybe he was just BS'n me. Drat... I'll have to have a chat with him and straighten this out.

"Ocean"... is that your new nick name for me ash? ;)

[dphar]

I am amazed at the excellent information that all have provided. Thanks, all...

[benixau]

so no new clies imminent. 'breath of relief' I hope that sony can hold back its product cycles until after august.

[Marudine]

Well, this is your personal view point. However I believe there are many people holding on to their wallet and patiently waiting for the new clie. I hope it will be out soon, maybe May/June time frame.

[MikeD]

Originally posted by Marudine
Well, this is your personal view point. However I believe there are many people holding on to their wallet and patiently waiting for the new clie. I hope it will be out soon, maybe May/June time frame.

Right.. But if a lot of people are waiting, Sony better do better than the palm. Equal or better processor, equal or more built in memory... If we need to wait till June, wouldn't you think that people would be upset if it only came with 32mb?

[legion]

I'm going to go insane if something isn't announced soon! Do you think I could sue Sony for mental anguish? Maybe the'll pay my medical bills if I have to be put in a rubber room.

[rened]

They could take some extra time to 'refurbish' the upcoming models right from the factory :D

[sralmas]

Looks like I'll be holding onto this Zire71 for a bit longer than expected

[patryn121]

Achistu, the new Service Plan waiver is for new buyers only. If you have one more than two months old then don't worry about it.

I found out about it when a customer came in to ask why her daughter, who had a PSP, and had to get a new palm also had to buy another plan. I didn't know other than maybe someone on the weekend crew was going for air-cheese. So I went to Customer Service with her and the Ops Manager said it was a change they've made.

Oh well, I think I'll be checking out the PSP plans at Circuit, CompUSA, and a few other places. Yeah I get the discount for the PSP but my customers don't and that's not fair if we're selling a Service Plan and not a Replacement Plan--which means the PRP should be cheaper.

Serena the Best Buy Chick

[rnh7372]

The wait for a new Clie is killing me!!!! 

I thought about just getting an NX70V, but with the T|C out there I'll definately wait for the next Clie.  I have a N710C that I flashed to a N760C and I've used that to it's fullest extent.  I constantly have memory problems (yes I use PowerRun and PiDirect II) and really want VG.  I also have a friend that works at BestBuy in the mobile department and he couldn't find the rumored new Clie either.  Bummer.  I guess I have to keep on waiting...

Help me Sony... you're my only hope! ;)

[Marudine]

O no .. someone just posted the thread saying that SONY might not be coming out new clie due to the slow moving market ... that's a bad bad news .. (but of course you can take it as a rumor too)

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=183655#post183655

[n2ifp]

Hopefully there won't be dark days ahead for Sony PDA's...

[JwY]

nooo!!!
i've been waiting for an nx replacement!!
otherwise i might get an nx....

[dphar]

Well, I couldn't wait after dropping my T615. The screen cracked and I could only manuvuer using jog dial and the back button...not fun!

It's not the easiest transition as I could not just hot sync. I am still finding the programs I really want to use and reinstalling. It's forcing me to delete many of the things I installed and didn't really use...spring cleaning. But it is slick! You might not be able to wait...and that's not a bad thing:p

[Unregistered]

I work at bestbuy, and I looked up any info on any new clies. It's not true. I mean we all know that something will come out but bestbuy has nothing on it. And if Sony was thinking of releasing something they might hold back and wait for that new palm to come out. It makes no sense to release Sony's high-end handheld if it's not going to be as powerfull as the palms new pda.

[ashVID]

Originally posted by legion
I'm going to go insane if something isn't announced soon! Do you think I could sue Sony for mental anguish? Maybe the'll pay my medical bills if I have to be put in a rubber room.


Did you get your shoelaces back after the CF incident? Glad to see you alive and kicking...

Like I said earlier, with SONY hurting they can't afford to release a device without a major push to get some impressive first week sales. I would suspect any new device would debut at some public show and be available for pre-ordering for at least 6 weeks prior to release...



ash =o)

[kikoman]

And for those of you who would like to change to something now, Outpost.com has refurbished NX-70V's for $399...

http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=220332

[kikoman]

Ok... Overstock instead of Outpost... It's all the same to me... :rolleyes:

[Marudine]

Seems like after the confirmation by some regarding BB's retailer weekly does not publish the new clie, this thread has been slow down ... Sigh !! Really hope that someone can start posting genuine news on the new clie ...

[ncoday]

Originally posted by sralmas
Looks like I'll be holding onto this Zire71 for a bit longer than expected

I just took a look at the Zire 71 at Office depot and it is way to thick for me. It's almost as thick as my NX!

[n2ifp]

If we haven't heard anything by now, any new releases will be in June or later now. Sony's financial condition may have put a hold on things too. Wasn't in late last August when Sony first announced the new NX series was coming?

[sheik28]

Well I stopped in at JandR today (big electronics store here in NYC, also great online retailer) and talked to a couple of the salesmen. They said they hadn't heard anything and if it was coming within 2 months or so they would have heard by now.

[Gabo]

so sad, I'm going to wait another week, and if nothing... NX70V :)

[eyesee]

I hate to sound sort of negative, but I would imagine that the release of the CF driver was in no small part detrimental to the release of a new NX.  First of all, Sony *must* be aware of its presence.  If they have any business sense about them at all, they would wait and see what impact the new driver will have on the current sales of the NX70 and 60.  If sales noticably increase, you can expect a delayed release of a new model, and possibly the implementation of new features or changes to the devices currently in development.  If sales are seemingly unaffected or decline, who knows?  Please understand that this is my unprofessional opinion only, but I would think it in Sony's best interests to play a waiting game of sorts.

What do you guys think?

[JwY]

i'm in the same circumstance gabo...

[Marudine]

if SONY doesn't mind about the CF driver and see an increase in nx units, that should be the best time to showcase their new clie, cos (I suppose the new clie will provide better spec as compare to the current) with better specs and possible CF slot, people will rush for the new clie instead of the current one. However, by dropping the current nx slightly will also give consumer a choice of cheaper unit as compare to the new ones.

[NIKT]

Originally posted by sheik28
Well I stopped in at JandR today (big electronics store here in NYC, also great online retailer) and talked to a couple of the salesmen. They said they hadn't heard anything and if it was coming within 2 months or so they would have heard by now.

Do You remember how Sony pulled a fast one with TG-50?
That might be just what they are planning on doing this time too!
I can't wait anymore...:(

[clie4all]

I think we will see the new clie(s) at E3 in mid may. Just 2 more weeks!

[Marudine]

Great thinking !

[cbulock]

Originally posted by clie4all
I think we will see the new clie(s) at E3 in mid may. Just 2 more weeks!

Ohh.. I didn't realize that E3 was coming up. Your probably right, they will probably announce something there! I can't wait!

[Homie_S]

Holy crap. E3 snuck up. Thanks for the reminder!

[dicenter]

What is the E3 ?

I need more information about E3 ..

[Marudine]

Electronic Entertainment Expo, in short E3.
- Los Angeles Conventionla centre
- from 14-16 May 2003

http://www.e3expo.com/show_highlights/

[Unregistered]

No palm release has ever been tied to E3, which is (hello? hello? anybody home?) a video game industry convention. Really fun to attend though if you can make it.

Is it sinking in yet that Sony has no new products until August?
That Sony will simply be markedly inferior this product cycle? Why is everyone in denial? Not even Sony screens are superior anymore. This is just embarassing.
The first new Sony model will probably be some unwieldly huge thing like the NZ-90, once again with ultra crappy battery life and an insane price tag. Great for people who get excited by those pathetic built in cameras though, I am sure. I so wish they'd give that up.

All sony can compete with in the meantime is price, hope that someone will want a $350 Tg-50 instead of a $500 Tungsten C. At least the TG-50 has stereo and a good small form factor.

[SwissDan]

>The first new Sony model will probably be some unwieldly huge
>thing like the NZ-90, once again with ultra crappy battery life
>and an insane price tag. Great for people who get excited by
>hose pathetic built in cameras though, I am sure. I so wish
>they'd give that up.


sorry, sorry dude.... this is a LIE !!!!!!!! sony offered a new patch for the battery of your NZ90...

i guess you have NO IDEA about the NZ90 battery... if you have no idea, just switch to another forum...

tnx,

[benixau]

SwissDan - what is the battery life of the NZ90 like? I am looking at either the NX70 or NZ90 and can not decide.
Here are the pros and cons i see (over either the other model or a TG50)-

NX70:
+lighter
+CF slot
+VG (320x480 screen)
+Camera built-in w/300 degree freedom
+DataViz DTG included
-Low res camera
-No BT
-Reaching EOL

NZ90:
-heavier
+CF Slot
+VG (320x480)
+Camera w/flash
-No DataViz DTG
+Hi-res camera
+BT (i have a BT USB key for my mac)
+Early on in model life

Any idea on battery life. Thanx.

[SwissDan]

well, my nz90 is under repair... i guess i dropped the unit last week, so i will try to post some "battery" infos as soon i have the repaired unit... ;-)

i also bought the tg50, so i have two units to play with ... hehehe!

the interesting thing is the eruware CF driver.... i bought a APACER 512 2x CF Card, no problem so far. during the repair, i have found new interesting programs for the TG50 (and also work with the NZ90), like

- BTToggle
- CIC JOT
and
- AutoDimmer 2.0

here in switzerland, the hotspot thing is quite new, so i can surf the internet using GPRS. i will check as soon as i have the nz90...

YOU NEED a program like AUTODIMMER!!! this will safe your battery about 2-3 hours!

dan




SwissDan - what is the battery life of the NZ90 like? I am looking at either the NX70 or NZ90 and can not decide.
Here are the pros and cons i see (over either the other model or a TG50)-

NX70:
+lighter
+CF slot
+VG (320x480 screen)
+Camera built-in w/300 degree freedom
+DataViz DTG included
-Low res camera
-No BT
-Reaching EOL

NZ90:
-heavier
+CF Slot
+VG (320x480)
+Camera w/flash
-No DataViz DTG
+Hi-res camera
+BT (i have a BT USB key for my mac)
+Early on in model life

Any idea on battery life. Thanx.

[SwissDan]

ps: about the DataViz DTG... there are other programms which work better.. like QuickOffice (480x320) !!

dan

[benixau]

the battery info will be appreciated, thanx

[ashVID]

Battery life is the same on both the NX and NZ if you are NOT using the camera. My buddy with an NZ and I went head to head snapping pics, he had the flash on, and after about 30 or so he was getting a battery warning while I had 85%+ left. His pics are way better though! Kind of an interesting problem, the main reason I see to buy an NZ is the camera, but if you use it a lot, you wont have much battery left to do anything else...


ash =o)

[benixau]

lol, what a perplexing problem. The other thing is i have a BT phone (T68i) and a BT adapter on my mac. So BT would be useful but the only question i have is how useful - is it worth AUD700 to me??
BTW - other than the camera and BT the NZ90 has nothing else over the NX70, correct?

[OcellNuri]

Other two things that could be argued as being better are the keyboard and the changeable battery.

[oneeyesquare]

Battry life is very similiar to the NX until you start popping flash pictures, but what would you expect? I can surf longer with my NZ. And if I do run out of battery during the day, I have the option to put the spare in... :D

[ashVID]

I suspect this is one of the things Sony is working on, battery life. They have already had a patch to help the NZ and any new unit will have to show improvement because this is a major factor in a Palm device...


ash =o)

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Hopefully there won't be dark days ahead for Sony PDA's... You're hoping for the next camera-equipped one to have a flash? :D

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by ncoday I just took a look at the Zire 71 at Office depot and it is way to thick for me. It's almost as thick as my NX! Only in the general sense. The Z71 is thinner than the NX series, but because it's so small in other dimensions, it may seem thicker than it is because relative to it's height it's chunky.

Keep in mind that the Z71 is about 8.8 cubic inches, the NX60 is about 14.7 cubic inches. That means the Z71 is less than 60% the bulk of the NX60. And about 2/3 the mass (weight.)

Of course how you perceive it is more critical than actual measurements. Perception is 9/10ths of reality, and if you don't like it, you certainly should avoid it.

[muldermx]

THATS IT
i decided not to wait any longer
I ordered my clie NX70 with a screen protector and a 256 MS pro... from etronics. I like that shop
with shipping it all cost me 560 bucks.
cant wait till it gets here

[jaydisc]

Originally posted by benixau
lol, what a perplexing problem. The other thing is i have a BT phone (T68i) and a BT adapter on my mac. So BT would be useful but the only question i have is how useful - is it worth AUD700 to me??
BTW - other than the camera and BT the NZ90 has nothing else over the NX70, correct?
As a Mac (BT), Sony T39 (BT) and TG50 (BT) owner, I must say that having Bluetooth across the board is great. I just drop files onto Bluetooth File Exchange on the Mac to quickly install them on the Clie without HotSyncing. I used to carry a charing/HotSync cable with me but no longer feel the need with the ability to do Bluetooth HotSync's anywhere without any additional cables/cradles. Also, with Bluetooth, it's easy to surf the web/check email, etc. on the Clie through your Mac... suh-weet!

Lastly, being able to SMS and do internet browsing via GPRS through the phone without having to line it up for IR is also a pleasure.

[OcellNuri]

jaydisc, I'm jealous. All of those uses you stated are why I'm so hopeful that there actually is a NX coming out soon with built in Bluetooth. I'm soooo jealous. ;)

[palmos67]

come on the Zire 71 is very pocketable compare to NX70v, actually I am in a dilmena right now worndering if I should stick with Zire 71 or go back to NX70v, any suggestions guys and gals?

[MikeD]

Now I keep wondering if any of this stuff will reveal it's ugly head by tues 5/13...

[dphar]

OK, so what's happening on 5/13?

 :confused:

[MikeD]

According to some rumor, FCC is supposed to post something about some new sony device. Usually, when things get posted by the FCC, something is up in the air regarding a new device coming out within a month or so. Oh yeah, reason FCC would post it is because if the new device has either bluetooth or wifi...

[TechnoCat]

Originally posted by MikeD
Oh yeah, reason FCC would post it is because if the new device has either bluetooth or wifi... Or some other RF output... such as DSL-compatible remote-control capability (most DSL remotes use RF), or X10 remote support, or it has a built-in cell or cordless phone, or it can send the current temperature to a wireless weather station or can not only play MP3 but can send it to your car radio via FM modulation...

Okay, so none of those is likely.... :rolleyes:

[DoubleL]

Originally posted by MikeD
According to some rumor, FCC is supposed to post something about some new sony device. Usually, when things get posted by the FCC, something is up in the air regarding a new device coming out within a month or so. Oh yeah, reason FCC would post it is because if the new device has either bluetooth or wifi...

So were there postings on the FCC site before the new Palms (Tungsten and Zire) came out? I don't remember...

LL

[OcellNuri]

Nothing was posted about the Zire, because it does not have anything in it that needs FFC approval. I didn't see anything about the TungstenC personally, but I know there was plenty of information about the TungstenW posted on the FCC website.

[dkostas]

Hey Palmos67-- I'd be interested to hear your take on the Zire71. I just bought the NX70V but went back and forth between it and the 71. To me the 71 looked more like a toy (plastic case, etc) and didn't have a keyboard/thumbboard. Thus far, I love my NX...but am getting used to the thumbboard. The screen's size is impressive and the movie capabilities are impressive. Also, having a CF slot may come in handy down the road. Your thoughts?

Dino

[Unregistered]

I keep checking this thread for anything new, but nothing so far!

[Jeff146]

yes, nothing so far!

[OcellNuri]

Hey... I wasn't too far off. :D

[n2ifp]

Very True ;)