I'm Sorry To Say This, But....

[DarkDynamo]

The Tungsten C IS a better product than the TG. The internal 32mg alone makes it a better purchase not to mention, WIFI and NO FLIP COVER!!!

[Reggie]

I would agree except for the flip cover and mono audio. I'd like something to protect the screen and the keys. Of course stereo output is a must even if they say that they are getting ready to do VoIP.

But then, how many months before Sony releases a better non-plastic model?

[hansschmucker]

I thought the TC had 64MB??? Anyway, I'm not going to buy either one, as I'm a proud NX owner =)

[jhoh]

Well, that may be your opinion, but it really is up to each to decide. For me, the added memory (of the Tungsten) is a definite plus, but (integrated) 802.11b networking is far less useful (and power hungry) than bluetooth.

Also, I find the jog-dial an indespensable feature - I can read, delete, and organize my email with one hand. Browsing the web with one hand is also possible. Admittedly, this uses a third-party app (OKey), but moving to a directional pad in what looks to be a very difficult place for one-handed use is out of the question.

I, personnally, like the flip screen. It is a great protector from loose change/keys, etc while in the pocket and it was not an "add-on", so it works and fits perfectly with the look/feel/function of the device.

My only problem with Sony devices is the proprietary Memory Stick and the Customer Service issues that may arise when OS updates come around (i.e. I don't think any Clie user will get a free upgrade to OS5.X).

[jwang0416]

only the built-in WIFI draws my attention~~

[diceboy]

Is there already, or will there soon be, a WiFi memory stick coming out?

[diceboy]

Originally posted by DarkDynamo
The Tungsten C IS a better product than the TG. The internal 32mg alone makes it a better purchase not to mention, WIFI and NO FLIP COVER!!!

Don't agree. I've got a 256MB MSPro which is plenty fast enough and gives me plenty of memory. I LOVE having the jog dial - IMHO one of the best possible features on a PDA and I don't know why Palm doesn't incorporate one. I think the flip cover is pretty nice and provides excellent protection, though I wish I could flip it all the way around to the back.

As for the built-in WiFi - that's a nice feature, but I'm willing to bet there will be a WiFi MS out soon enough (see previous message).

[jhoh]

Originally posted by diceboy

As for the built-in WiFi - that's a nice feature, but I'm willing to bet there will be a WiFi MS out soon enough (see previous message).

Ah, but therin lies the rub.  In order to use WiFi, one would need to ditch the MS.  If you ditch the MS, the ability to browse, sync, and otherwise use the WiFi greatly diminishes due to the limited capacity and functionality of the internal memory.

Sony needs to put in more memory and needs to remove the restrictions that some apps have on their data storage location (probably a bigger task).  This is all a moot point, though, because the TG50 does have bluetooth, which can be used via standalone access-points or piggy-backed off of a computer's connection.

Sony could release a model with 64MB in the TG50 form-factor with a MODULAR NETWORK bay.  This could be proprietary, but could also be CF, if they would just develop drivers for Prisim and Bluetooth cards.  One could be done with the keyboard and with VG (320x480).  They should sell for $299 with this feature set due to removal of the integrated network and a price wash on the larger screen/keyboard.  They definitely need to keep the thing rectagular instead of with a protruding wedge for the CF slot.

[diceboy]

Originally posted by jhoh


Ah, but therin lies the rub.  In order to use WiFi, one would need to ditch the MS.  If you ditch the MS, the ability to browse, sync, and otherwise use the WiFi greatly diminishes due to the limited capacity and functionality of the internal memory.


Couldn't a WiFi MS have some on-board memory for that very purpose?

[icruise]

The only really attractive thing about the new Tungsten is the greatly increased internal memory (I want it for my Clie!). The TG50 is better in that:

It has an integrated flip-cover. No stupid clip-on thing.

Has internal bluetooth.

Metal body vs plastic.

Light-up keyboard.

Oh, and stereo sound! (what was palm thinking with that?)

[ngwailung]

Palm has a nice move in handheld and overall I think Palm is pretty good in its Zire 71 and Tungsten C. To be sure, Palm seems to sabotage its 400MHz and 64MB RAM product with a mono stereo output, yet such a strong configuration is many PDA users' dream (just imagine how many programs you can fit into the 51MB usable RAM!).

Yet, I think Palm still has to learn some marketing strategy as customers may not be as impressed in the shop when comparing a Tungsten C and a CLIE. Just image when you compare a new Tungsten C and a CLIE TG50 in a shop. Tungsten C has no audio player, movie player or flash player in its ROM. They has to be installed from CD. And the huge RAM capacity and processor speed difference may not be noticeable when you do not have many programs installed. Unless the customers know well the more technical specifications, I still think CLIE will remain the customer choice for some time.

I wonder: does Sony have any more creativity in CLIE after these bells and whistles? What feature(s) can Sony add after the HiRes+, built-in camera and virtual Graffiti? It maybe that the expectation we place on Sony is too high.

Well, remember that PalmOS 5.2.1 can support a maximum of 128MB RAM and Tungsten C will not stay long as your dream handheld. I think this is good as there's still room for competition. I don't want Sony or Palm be a monopolized giant in PDA like Microsoft.

[Sneezy]

How much does the Tungsten C cost? I'll bet it's gonna go for alot more than the TG50. And how about voice recording on the Tungsten? I heard it wasn't included on the C.

I don't think I'll be yearning for a C anytime soon.

[timw_de]

a mono stereo output ?

[Toomer]

I'd actually agree with you - to a point ....... the point when I'm mobile and need to get my email. For me, Bluetooth is the key - my TG50 makes a connection to my T68i whenever it wants/need access to the 'net. If I had to drive around hunting for an 802.11 hotspot anytime I wanted access, that would drive me batty (and probably drive up my Starbucks tab).

[George M]

Went last night to check out the TC as I read an excellent mini review on brighthand. Reading the review I thought I was going to see a fast replacement of my tg50 since I still have time to return it. To make this short I will agree with "what was palm thinking."

Looks and feels so cheap, I tried the game zap (which did run fast) and the firing was PIP PIP PIP :-). Yes I know it's not for games...... but the Tg50 does this and also does everthng else. It's good you like it that's what counts.

[Jeffry]

Of course the Tungsten C is better. The TG50 and the Tungsten have different prices and feature set.

[ngwailung]

You want to return your TG50 - with flip cover cut into half??
:)

[George M]

"You want to return your TG50 - with flip cover cut into half??"

When I show my modified cover to people all I get is "where can I get one of those?"

Just so you know you can return things within 14-30 days depending on the store. If you return with missing cover, stylus or whatever they will charge you a small amount.

It will take a Clie with bigger screen, more memory, backlight keyboard, and a screen cover that be removed and it not looking UGLY to get me to switch.

[kdn102]

I think the two new Palm PDA's are a HUGE step in the right direction for Palm and the PDA community in general. These are both very attractive devices with very attractive price tags. The zire 71 is only $299! Sony better get their r&d deptartment moving to come out with something better than the $399 TG-50.

And look at the TC. It's only $499! I remember everyone whining when the NX70 came out wondering why they didn't just integrate wifi into it. If it weren't for the hideous thumboard that thing would be awesome. 400mhz with 64MB Ram! Wasn't there someone on here designing their dream pda and giving almost the exact specs of the TC?

No flip cover built in??? From what I have read on this board it seems like everyone is buying cases for their CLIE's anyway, so what does it matter if it's not built in?

You have to realize what is going on here. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Sony came along and starting spewing out new stuff. Palm saw this and realized they needed to do something. Now they are putting out some awesome products at incredible prices. Yeah, everyone out there will find at least one thing they don't like about every PDA model.

The point is we are light years ahead of where we were less than two years ago. We have more than 4 models to choose from! Imagine that! We now even have the option to get the latest and greatest or one model year behind which can still run all of the new software! Who would have thought 2 years ago we would be able to buy a 320x320 144mhz device for only $299? In fact less! The Handspring Prism with it's then new 16 bit color started out costing $399 (or was it $499?).

Start celebrating diversity and selection instead of being afraid your handheld will be ousted by a new model. Think of the progress over the last year alone! Enjoy all of the incredible features you have and the new ones to come!

That's my $.02

[Sneezy]

Well said, kdn102,

I don't really think we can compare the Zire 71 with the TC or the TG, it's just not the same type of PDA.

The TC and the TG, however, both have different strengths and weaknesses, neither being the perfect PDA. Well, after thinking about that statement, what is perfect for one may be imperfect for another. I guess these companies will keep getting my $$ until they get it right. But I agree, props now need to go to Palm as well; Sony may have to start sharing the hill with another king.

As far as the TC being the "dream machine," umm, I think that's a bit incorrect. There are countless threads on this website where people want "a 320x480 screen in a T series form-factor." It's getting tiring hearing people pining for this type of device. If I could build a PDA, I'd make a killin' off this design.

[Jun]

If you want to compare the T | C against the Clie TG50, that's fine but wait until Sony comes out with the next sequel to TG50 and am sure we will be back again comparing the T | C against it or this thread will be revisited. Was there a comparison made between T | W and TG50??? I am sure, TG50 is way ahead of T | W.

So Sony, better hurry with releasing the next Clies!


Cheers!
Jun

[orol]

well since i almost don't have any use for wifi, the TG50 is definitely a better choice then a T|C...
but i wish there was an TG50 version with a new px255 cpu and let's say 32mb internal ram .. that would be a perfect pda for me ..
untill that i'll stick with my sj30 which does a decent job for me ..