1src Forums - iPhone-Will you buy it when released?

JAmerican

01-11-2007, 02:52 AM

Its too hot but from what I am hearing feature wise, sounds like an iffy device. I mean no Third-party apps? Not to forget that its basically Mac OS X Mobile but Apple won't admit that. Don't forget that the KEYBOARD SUCKS!!! Look how long it took even Jobs to write something. He was accessing stored contacts all the time. He called a keypad "legacy". I guess he bluetooths the number of someone he just meets from their brain to his phone. WTF Jobs. I hate the subliminal crap. It looks like I sick device but knowing Apple and their iPod battery life, I have to wait and see. BTW, my TX has a 4GB SD in it and has a 480x320 screen at 3.8" I think my device owns the iPhone. It may not have an active phone connection but when I get my new phone, hook up BT and I am good to go on EDGE speed for $6/month. My phone cost around 150 and will get a rebate of $50 to bring it to 100. My TX cost me $200 off ebay :). So $300 for my PDA/phone combo and if my PDA dies which never happens due to the TX amazing battery life, I still have my phone and vice versa.

I bet by June, the hype will have subsided. People who get the device will have a hard time typing because the keys are too small for your finger tips. People will complain about cramping and my tone it iCramp from press the screen and straining your finger joints.

Did we all forget about expansion??? Even the LD had an SD slot. I may be a little too harsh but for a product that cost the same as a PS3, cost the same as a Xbox 360 Premium + HD-DVD drive, same as a Treo unlocked, same as my laptop I got off of eBay, I think its still a bit too much.

I agree that it has a lot of technology in one device but all of its features has been done before, except the sensors. Well the sidekick had an ambiant light sensor.

What most pisses me off is the fact that its not for T-Mobile. Cingular data plans suck period. There phone plans are expensive.

I bet an unlocked version of this device would go into the 800+ range. CLIE anyone?? lol

JAmerican

JackAxe

01-11-2007, 06:23 AM

This thing runs widgets JAmerican. :)
http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/

There are already a booglegillion for OS X. And if Apple doesn't become stingy bastards, it's something we can make, we're the 3rd party support. :D

There's nothing that says it can't run Flash 8. Finally a portable that isn't gimped on its software support. :D OS X will run on a G3 with 256 megs of ram, so I don't see what would stop Apple from puting it on a portable. The only thing lite, would be what was and wasn't installed. OS X only gets huge when installing the language packs.

TX, bleh, bleh, bleh. Sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow compared to the iPhone.. :p

No other PDA has this amount of power. Its GPU is a beast in comparison to what we've all been used to using.

Apple's getting the smartphone right. It's about time someone figured it out. This is the first jack-of-all-trade device that doesn't look like it will suck. I already know I can trust the video and audio capabilities as not being gimped, nor second to none. Nokia is the only other company I have fate in. Palm dropped the ball a few years back.

I would rather have real buttons, but I'm sure I would get used to the keyboard, just like I have with my Nokia N70's tiny keys. But at least it's the first to use that new uber tracking system that I saw on some MIT video the other year.

How much did you pay for you UX and doezens of other PDA? My NR70 was $600. :p Small uber tech always comes with a price. This thing has sooo much potentional. For a first rev device, it certainly makes all other PDAs combined look like turds. :)

I despise Cingular, so I won't bet gettin an iPhone, but I voted yes. :o When it's unlocked, and rev 2, I'll be all over it like spam in an unfiltered in-box. I'm hoping for an updated iPod this summer, that's this without the phone and thicker to accomadate a HDD, or expansion. And if I get an iPhone, it better have a removeable battery. :) Don't dissapoint my dreams Apple. :mad: :(

Behold this quote;

No other slim phone has every gotten good battery life. That is the tradeoff for slimness, and one of the primary reasons the Treo is so thick. While Apple's engineering is incredible, it seems hard to believe that they have solved this one industry-wide problem in a device that looks more power-hungry then any other.

And check out his thoughts;
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/1047-1.htm

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JackAxe

01-11-2007, 06:27 AM

Hopefully this is is the kind of shock Palm needs to get its arse in gear!!!

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Joel

01-11-2007, 06:30 AM

My toy bugdet is limited and anything from apple beginning with "i" is generally conformist, overpriced, overhyped, and toy-like, so NO.

Ok. I wish all the best developing for Palm. :)

khertan

01-11-2007, 06:46 AM

I mean no Third-party apps? Haha ... do really believe that no third party app will couldn't be installed ...

Only Apple (and Linux) give is IDE freely to get more and more developper... Do you believe that a dashboard based navigator will not be extensible ? Why Apple add a deploy function on DashCode (An IDE for writing widget with wizard) for iPhone ...

Even the LD had an SD slot ... Look at the iPhone specs on Apple.com ... there is a SD Slot ...

I think my device owns the iPhone I don't think ... iPhone is able to read 640*480 h264 movies without frame skipping. Does your TX can do the same thing ? no ... why ? Because iPhone use the new mobile processor generation ... I think it's a Marvel PXA 320 or a CoreSolo U Series ...

JackAxe

01-11-2007, 07:13 AM

I finally started watching the keynote and saw the keyboard typing fror myself. That keyboard doesn't suck one bit. Jobs type his message very quickly. :p

Jobs states that they'll release 3G phones in the future. T-Mobile is bringing 3G here in the states this coming year if I recall. If anything, it means more carrier support. :)

There's a sim slot at the top, so Apple must be offering an unlocked phone in June. I can only hope.

And since this is a full versin of OS X, it already has 7 years of software support. :eek:

Browsing the web on it reminds me of the Wii. :o

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blues

01-11-2007, 07:57 AM

I really like the iPhone concept. I receintly got an 80Gig iPod for Xmas, and I really love it. But can I ween my way away from Plucker, eReader, SplashID, Astraware, and Docs to Go? I don't think so.

I really like the full-size screen though

dmitrygr

01-11-2007, 08:22 AM

Ok. I wish all the best developing for Palm. :)

:eek: :mad:

"palm programmer" > "widget-makin' script kiddie"

And since this is a full versin of OS X...

uh-huh,and windows mobile 5 is a full version of desktop windows...

Mark29

01-11-2007, 09:34 AM

No, not clear enough what usefulness it has as an actual PDA. Apple is hyping internet, phone, music, & movie abilities - too toy-like IMHO. I'll wait and see.

Mark

Church Punk

01-11-2007, 09:43 AM

where is the "not now, but later (to expensive, can change my mind, etc...)" option?

_Em

01-11-2007, 12:32 PM

I won't buy an iPhone until G3; that's when Apple usually gets it right. Plus, that's when the prices tend to drop ;)

JAmerican

01-11-2007, 12:41 PM

:eek: :mad:

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uh-huh,and windows mobile 5 is a full version of desktop windows...

This is my point exactly. They can say it runs Mac OS X when its really running Mac OS X Mobile.

As for the SD slot, please show me where the SD slot is, because I can't find it. He didn't even state SD slot in his presentation.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html

This site says nothing about SD.

All I know is that it will be like the iPod, DRM ridden, iTunes-only, with restrictions. I don't want that. I can watch videos just fine on my TX with my 4GB SD card. I don't even watch movies on my TX because I find doing that just dumb. It takes a long time to convert and you only enjoy it for about 2 hours seeing as thats how long a movie is.

I have a feeling that one day I will come on this site and see we have joined with iLounge and now we are iSRC.

One thing I find funny is that in the Breakthrough Internet section of the demo, they Google iPod and you see a listing for iPod Linux hack. LOL!!

I have nothing against Apple, I mean I'm using a PowerBook G4 to type this but I see the iPhone as a device that will take people who know nothing of PDAs and somewhat force them to adapt to smartphones. I thank Apple for that because now smatphones will be forced to match what Apple has brought to the table whether it be spec wise or design wise. Here that Palm & HTC. I've always seen Sony and Apple as like the same type of company when it comes to innovation. They push the limit. Since Sony stopped, I am glad Apple is now taking their place. But now they will have to compete. So as you can see I have nothing against the release of it, I just don't like it personally and Cingular makes me hate it even more.

JAmerican

LupeValenz

01-11-2007, 12:49 PM

Well I tried that typing keyboard with the TH55 just to imagine what it would be like. Its not too bad, lil diffrent but made a lot of mistakes, then again the keys are soooo small with the vg keyboard. As for that 3rd option, well only wanted 2, like it said will you buy it when released.:)

Tomohawk

01-11-2007, 12:50 PM

My toy bugdet is limited and anything from apple beginning with "i" is generally conformist, overpriced, overhyped, and toy-like, so NO.Me too. I have a phone that I can use to make & receive phone calls, so I have no use for something so totally useless & blingy.

Cyker

01-11-2007, 12:57 PM

It sounded cool, but I'm now thinking it's just a load of hype.
For starters it's far too expensive (I thought the price was the Unlocked price, but it's the Contract-Subsidised price!! The Unlocked price must be right up there with an OQO!), and then there's Apple's choice of provider...

dragonsgames

01-11-2007, 02:52 PM

I would if I could... :(
Don't have the money... nor the provider... might be able to switch later on so I can get the iPhone 2... ;)

Church Punk

01-11-2007, 02:57 PM

I would if I could... :(
Don't have the money... nor the provider... might be able to switch later on so I can get the iPhone 2... ;)

yeah, thats why i am asking for that kind of option for the poll ;)

Pdaman

01-11-2007, 03:21 PM

wow, here are just amazing talk about iPhone.. True "fight" is iPhone THAT good to buy. Btw, I would also want to know is there really such as memory card place as someone told. If it has SD this would be very good and big plus but still if you need pay extra money for unlocked one, no way! It is still missing buttons and flip cover for screen. Also, there has been "rumour" that there will not be 3th party software for iPhone but I don't personally believe this one. But could be true?

LupeValenz

01-11-2007, 03:36 PM

Nah, theres no expansion card, only a slot for the SIM card. Also the iPhone is only 1st party software.

JAmerican

01-11-2007, 06:44 PM

Sidekick anyone. I used to have one and it was all 1st Party apps, which meant pricey. $10 for a crappy game. I think a crappy version of Snake cost $6~10. I beta-tested and got it free. A paint program cost $6 as well as made pictures like this...

http://www.jamerican.net/OldStuff/SidekickPics/hippaint.png

I remember the days with my sidekick that something like this would make me crap my pants...

http://www.jamerican.net/OldStuff/SidekickPics/player1.png

and games like this where fun to play...

http://www.jamerican.net/OldStuff/SidekickPics/8.png

Yep, the connected days were fun but at the price of no entertainment due to their was not enough memory in it for music. Now today in 2007, we have the iPhone. Basically its like my dream phone but then again its not.

My old Sidekick website...

http://members.fortunecity.com/smart3/Sidekick/

JAmerican

dragonsgames

01-11-2007, 06:46 PM

Nah, theres no expansion card, only a slot for the SIM card. Also the iPhone is only 1st party software.
Why would you need an expansion card!? It has up to 8GB!
I saw the keynote and don't remember anything about it only 1st party software.

JAmerican

01-11-2007, 06:49 PM

Why would you need an expansion card!? It has up to 8GB!
I saw the keynote and don't remember anything about it only 1st party software.

I don't think they would mention anything that would be hurtful to their product. Vague Battery life specs.

Here's another Sidekick game...

http://members.fortunecity.com/smart3/Sidekick/led_DCE.jpg

JAmerican

Tomohawk

01-11-2007, 07:11 PM

What if MOTOROLA ( who invented the modern cell phone, BTW) had come out with this phone instead?

dag3

01-11-2007, 08:10 PM

When I first watched the keynote address (Tuesday night I think) I was totally set to go out and buy it (good thing it's not out till June). After sleeping on it a bit I do have some concerns. First off, will it replace my current pda. Jobs emphasized certain aspects of the iphone but never said that it was meant to function as a pda. Perhaps really it is, as he advertises: a phone, a internet communicator, and a ipod. If that is true then I would not buy this phone. On the other hand, if we have access to terminal and I can ssh into my home computer or server at work then I will be the first in line to buy it.

Regarding lack of keyboad. I'll admit I love having a keyboard (preferrable clamshell: currently own a ux50 and Zaurus c3200) but I think I see why they decided to not go with a keyboard. First off, as other have mentioned in these forums, talking into a pda like the clie ux50 type can be awkard. Heck I had a windows mobile pda that had a slide out ekyboard and it was as awkward as hell. Second it adds thickness and perhaps can be a bit cumberson. Consider how that average person is going to use this. Apple is marketing this to ipod and cell phone users - people on the go who don't really have time or perhpas the desire to sit down and do much written input. If you are a user who wants your tunes/videos with you and the ablity to quickly jot off a text message or send a quick email this phone is really geared to you. On the other hand if you spend hours a day inputting info into your palm or need other major pda fuctions then this device may be limmiting.

A reader who responded to the New York Times articel in regards to this particular phone, claims to be a apple developer (third party) and also insists that you will be able to install third pary apps. Not knowing who this person is I don't put much stock in his knowledge but it does seem hard to imagine apple limiting outside software develorers.

Again, I am still of the fense. We will see what June brings.

Oh and yeah - Cingular "what the hell man".

LupeValenz

01-11-2007, 09:26 PM

Its either Cingular or wait till 2009, sorry but I don't have that kind of patience. I'm jumping ship from Sprint and swimming over to Cingular.

dmitrygr

01-11-2007, 09:31 PM

I'm jumping ship from Sprint and swimming over to Cingular.

you'll regret this...their network is worthless and EVERY NIGHT at 2:00, 2:02, 2:04 and 2:08 your call will drop if you're in a call.

Pdaman

01-12-2007, 04:38 AM

Why would you need an expansion card!? It has up to 8GB!
I saw the keynote and don't remember anything about it only 1st party software.Well, I have mentioned this before. Memory card is for backup. There is always nowdays risk that device will crash and bumb! All data gone. However I don't think that iPhone is that unstabile but better just backup than regret.

Btw, it might were quite smart to build two 4gb cards to the iPhone, which are separate from others but still work like normal cards. That way if it might crash and when you do "hard reset" it just formats the another 4gb but don't format both cards. Or even better, build one big card like 8gb and then another smaller like 1gb or 2gb for backup databases. All music, movies is it usually possible to transferr again but if there are much important databases gone that its. Just my thoughs how I would build the device.

you'll regret this...their network is worthless and EVERY NIGHT at 2:00, 2:02, 2:04 and 2:08 your call will drop if you're in a call.Oh nice :D Btw, if they don't offer iPhone that is unlocked I couldn't bought it anyway, because here are other operators than there. I haven't ever heard anything like spring than just here in 1src. It is too bad that Apple will lose some amount of customers in Europe because of this.

Church Punk

01-12-2007, 05:28 AM

Oh nice :D Btw, if they don't offer iPhone that is unlocked I couldn't bought it anyway, because here are other operators than there. I haven't ever heard anything like spring than just here in 1src. It is too bad that Apple will lose some amount of customers in Europe because of this.

true. :rolleyes:

JAmerican

01-12-2007, 08:20 AM

Cingular is in Europe? As for Europe in general, they will loose customers because of the lack of 3G. Of course, they want you to have a reason to upgrade to v2, which will be 3G, bigger HDD, better screen res or sharpness, expansion. It always works this way.

JAmerican

Pdaman

01-12-2007, 08:36 AM

I don't think that screen sharpness or hard drive will be problem on the iPhone, lol. But 3G might quite important to many guys. At least what I have saw, many people get some kind of data plan and pay even over 30 euros monthly because of their phone. I can't believe that crap myself. For what you REALLY need 3G? I don't think that internet is nesessary in everywhere. Also, when Nokia have still very small screens for browsing and lacking on the touch screens. It is like using computer without a mouse and just use keyboard, yak! Let me say.

However 3g phone and bluetooth is still maybe the best combination that you can get Real pdas have usually big screen and are more specialed to other things than just phone stuff and do don't need worry when battery will run out because they have separate battery. But I would still leave the browsing through phone to Aliens, heh...

Reggie

01-12-2007, 12:57 PM

Here's my take on the iPhone:

Come to think of it, if Apple can make the iPhone stable enough with all the current features mentioned, they can take their time. Music, video, SMS, calendar, email, web browsing, Google maps, stocks, weather, camera, and photos are plenty for an average user. While this is a bit counter-developer, it gives challenge to developers to create good looking apps that use iPhone's multi-touch features, and penetrate the iPhone market. I'm sure that makers of the the top 100 mobile apps are already thinking about how their apps will look like on the iPhone.

As for the method of delivery of apps, I doubt if Apple will do OTA. It makes sense that they will still use iTunes to sync everything including apps, as well as push new firmware when needed. It has worked on the iPod and I think it will work on the iPhone too. As for the firmware upgrade, the masses have been upgrading iPod firmware easily with minimal problems via iTunes. Contrast that with say upgrading the firmware of a Treo or a Nokia device which lets say, not everyone can do.

As for the multi-touch screen with an accelerometer, I wish I can see it used other devices. I'm not sure how much is patented since Synaptics is still selling a similar technology. I thought apple was quite smart filing separate items at FCC with misleading images. They somehow knew that those images will get leaked. The public however didn't puzzle it together that all of them will be for the same device. :)

As for the price, I guess iPods (video iPods especially) will be at eBay and Craigslist soon. AT&T (Cingular) on the other hand, I think hit the jackpot. Six months from now, guess which phone the AT&T salespeople will be demoing and pushing in the stores. ;)

Pdaman

01-12-2007, 01:19 PM

Here's my take on the iPhone:

Come to think of it, if Apple can make the iPhone stable enough with all the current features mentioned, they can take their time. Music, video, SMS, calendar, email, web browsing, Google maps, stocks, weather, camera, and photos are plenty for an average user. While this is a bit counter-developer, it gives challenge to developers to create good looking apps that use iPhone's multi-touch features, and penetrate the iPhone market. I'm sure that makers of the the top 100 mobile apps are already thinking about how their apps will look like on the iPhone.

As for the method of delivery of apps, I doubt if Apple will do OTA. It makes sense that they will still use iTunes to sync everything including apps, as well as push new firmware when needed. It has worked on the iPod and I think it will work on the iPhone too.
Sounds good. But will they ever release unlocked version about iPhone? Or documents software for word and excel? I must say that writing on my pda is very critical demand and if they will not work on this app they will loose me. And even they would get such as app, there is still missing keyboard for serious writing. Not talking about unlocked version.

However for the syncing apps. Something like iTunes sounds just not-good. I hope they work better and own solution for iPhone.

Kinda, I must admit that iPhone sounds very great. After these iPhone conversations I must admit that I would really want a new device with better screen than on the th55 and new technology but it isn't just possible because of my money situation and th55 is still very good for all my tasks.

However on the other hand I'm bit of angry for Apple as they don't mention anything about document app or accesories. And as iPhone is lacking on 3G and so on. Even Nokia N800 has crossed my mind. There is coming keyboard to N800 and N800 has screen what I have wanted. But in other mind, I wouldn't want Linux or Symbian os device. Rather WM or OS X. Though Palm os is best. But I would want to try something new and feel new technology!

phxchristian

01-12-2007, 04:15 PM

Did we all forget about expansion??? Even the LD had an SD slot.

JAmerican

The iPhone does have a SIM card slot at the top...

LupeValenz

01-12-2007, 04:22 PM

Why even ask for expansions cards? I mean look at the Treo, they have around 64MB memory and people like that but Apple comes with 4 or 8GB and people complain. The Treo can't go up to 8GB (unless hack it out but majority of users don't know how so they will never have that much memory) so the most Treo users will get is 4GB. Hmm, though I'm going to be new with the SIM cards I don't know if SIM cards are for expansions? Just have some program info on them cards?

firedog341

01-12-2007, 04:59 PM

Heck, I'm in. My contract with Verizon is up in May. The iPhone looks sick. I pay too much for Verizon, so Cingular should love me as their customer. My new hobby will be collecting GSM phones. Pop-in a SIM card and my phone will match my shoes...woot.

Pdaman

01-12-2007, 05:11 PM

Mark29

01-12-2007, 10:24 PM

At least according to this article:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/10/apple-vps-confirm-no-3rd-party-iphone-apps/

That kills any interest I had in it. Regardless of the resident software, I know w/o 3rd party support it won't do everything I currently do with my TH55. Hopefully Palm has it in them to combine their LifeDrive or TX with a Treo.

Mark

Joel

01-12-2007, 11:05 PM

pelaez-1

01-13-2007, 01:29 AM

When i voted, i voted the "heck yea" option, after reading all the posts, u got me thinking... it looks really cool, touchscreen, wifi, music, movies, bluetooth, etc, besides, i really like the model, it's thin, and the screen looks awesome.

Bads are:
No 3d party apps?
I live in México, no cingular here...
Price

I guess i'll wait a year and a half to see if prices drop and if it gets here to Mexico with prices around $30usd/month plan + an extra of $100-$200 usd for the phone...

Pdaman

01-13-2007, 02:28 AM

Ouch! I thought that they will screw this way or another. They always success screwing all up.

JAmerican

01-13-2007, 02:53 AM

I remember having a device with all first-party apps. It was called the Sidekick. I was only able to buy $6 and $10 programs that were way overpriced and not worth it. Good luck typing on the keyboard lol. Jobs took some time getting out a sentence. I can even type faster than that on my TX mini-keyboard app :).

JAmerican

Pdaman

01-13-2007, 03:05 AM

Good luck typing on the keyboard lol. Jobs took some time getting out a sentence. I can even type faster than that on my TX mini-keyboard app :).

JAmericanErr, who are you talking to?

Joel

01-13-2007, 07:40 AM

The closest onscreen keyboard I've seen is the one for the Nokia N-series Internet tablets. It's slow typing at first but I got used to it after a while. I'm sure the iPhone is no different.

http://www.internettablettalk.com/images/nokia770/newkb.jpg
from Internet Tablet Talk (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2006/05/16/the-new-full-screen-finger-keyboard/)

Mark29

01-13-2007, 08:50 AM

After thinking about it, I'd rather have no 3rd party apps than have to "plug-and-pray" that (my) iPhone won't freeze or something.

If I need to experiment then I'll do it with my Palm devices. I'd like the iPhone to just work. Every time.

I dunno, I've had very few problems with my TH. If there isn't any way for me to do the same thing I do with, say, Agendus Pro, TealAuto, Docs To Go, eReader, and SmartList then there's no reason for me to look at anything else.

Mark

GadgetGuru05

01-22-2007, 07:11 PM

Why everyone needs a 3th party apps? Mac gives you enough apps to work and have fun... what more can you ask?
btw, there is always a way to hack it...what is made by man, can be broken by man...

Mark29

01-23-2007, 06:10 AM

Apps I won't do without:
SmartList ToGo
Docs To Go
Agendus Pro
TealAuto
eReader
RescoViewer
PDASafeID (nearly identical to SplashID)

If the iPhone has similar apps AND there's a way to import the data then I may be interested when Verizon gets it. Otherwise, I'll happily carry my TH55 and a cell phone.

Mark

GadgetGuru05

01-23-2007, 03:58 PM

sounds reasonable... :D

Joel

01-23-2007, 06:02 PM

Mark29

01-23-2007, 09:04 PM

I wanted to create a wishlist of Palm apps' functions I'd like to see in the iPhone. I realized that it took years for Palm devs to create and continually develop the more popular apps that we see now.

The iPhone will start as how the Pilot did -- with only the basic apps. The Pilot also had a UI that was so simple that everyone eventually emulated.

I'd be getting an iPhone... it's like having a Pilot all over again :)

For some maybe, but I never paid $500 for a Palm device ;) The TH was my most expensive device, about $345 shipped. No, I won't be an early adapter again. Paid $330 for a 1st gen DVD player only to have to replace it about 5 years later when it wouldn't play some newer DVDs. I won't switch phone companies for a new gadget with no history, but it'll be fun to see how it plays out.

Mark