Apple phone: now should Palm be worried?

[Joel]

Phone, iPod, video, wifi, bluetooth... Apple has reinvented the phone.

Now should Palm be worried?

I think they are. :( I am.

[LupeValenz]

They should have been worried when palm developers started dropping like flies and when Hardware companies (Sony and Tapwave) left palm. Yah they should be worried still and I can't wait to see the design of the phone :)

[Joel]

The phone's incredible to say the least... many features that I wanted in the Clie but Sony couldn't deliver.

[LupeValenz]

It is incrediable! It has a great screen, no more box screens like the Treo. Palm put deaf hear when apple has listen and Apple will rake in the money. Apple, you have my pre-order!

[Joel]

http://s3.media.macrumorslive.com/p/1168365431-thumb.jpg

http://s3.media.macrumorslive.com/p/1168365661-thumb.jpg
from macrumorslive.com

$499 4GB, $599 8GB
includes 2-year Cingular plan

[Joel]

http://www.apple.com/iphone/ now up!

[Drunkard]

Zzzz..... Snore..... Zzzzz.....

[dmitrygr]

Now should Palm be worried?


worried? a bit too late for that one. Time to start making burial arrangements...

[Joel]

It's going to be available in June... so it's going to be a good time to hunt around eBay for a Treo, or any smartphone you like around that month. LOL.

[Church Punk]

omg, if i get that1, im done with skins :rolleyes:

[Joel]

http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/
Check the Photos quicktime animation... it's Minority Report-ish!

[headcronie]

Bah. Going to be running full desktop OS, on a device that can't fully utilize all desktop software? It's crap. It's already limited by the fact that the vast majority of people use Windows software. So.. now you'll have people running a Mac OS phone, with an emulator, running Windows, to again, be limited by screen size.. How long will this thing take to reboot? My Palm reboots in under 15 seconds.. your iphone? I don't think so..

Hmm.. Maybe my "I don't like Mac" sentiments came out a little bit too strong.. :o

[Joel]

The thing that bothers me is why Palm still doesn't have WiFi in their Treos. Here comes a new device and it's got Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0!

[Church Punk]

by the way, there are like 3 other threads about the very same thing.

a fast question, what about developing... is it going to allowe room for developers?

[philpalm]

Fingerprints and smudges
No more styli!? Then again Treo was the guinea pig for that type of usage. The large screen will be useless with scratches and marks.

FCC approval? All the wi-fi options may turn into vaporware....

Anyway the Palm boat was tossed a life preserver when they regained their garnet book back, looks like we are getting a tidal wave prediction....

[headcronie]

The thing that bothers me is why Palm still doesn't have WiFi in their Treos. Here comes a new device and it's got Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0!

I do believe that is carrier dictated. Palm could easily do so, but the carriers want their customers to use their $ data plans, not just jump online free while in a coffee shop. I do believe that the wifi driver for the wifi card has been hacked to allow it to work on at least one Palm OS Treo.. I've not kept current with the news on it though.

[Joel]

Bah. Going to be running full desktop OS, on a device that can't fully utilize all desktop software? It's crap. It's already limited by the fact that the vast majority of people use Windows software. So.. now you'll have people running a Mac OS phone, with an emulator, running Windows, to again, be limited by screen size.. How long will this thing take to reboot? My Palm reboots in under 15 seconds.. your iphone? I don't think so..

Hmm.. Maybe my "I don't like Mac" sentiments came out a little bit too strong.. :o

We're seeing iPod fans as separate from Mac fans. The iPhone is technically the next iPod. So it will still sell even if you're not a Mac fan.

[headcronie]

The one thing that separates this though, is the OS. iPods aren't really Macs. This thing is a Mac computer, shoved into a phone sized gadget, just minus cd drive, keyboard, etc.. So it may sell, but lose it's luster once users find out about the OS, and whether or not they like it.

[headcronie]

As an after thought.. the price tag on it may cause users to research the product a bit more, before they make their purchase. So, I suppose it is likely that the majority of users will be more informed than if the price were lower.

[Joel]

6 months is enough time for potential users to think things over :)

[headcronie]

You've got a point. :)

[Joel]

The one thing that separates this though, is the OS. iPods aren't really Macs. This thing is a Mac computer, shoved into a phone sized gadget, just minus cd drive, keyboard, etc.. So it may sell, but lose it's luster once users find out about the OS, and whether or not they like it.
There are also people who bought a Mac because they liked the interface of the present iPods. The current OS may be a lot different but the ease of use is there. Actually, the ease of use is quite comparable to how the PalmOS works right now... only that the iPhone's is much more fluid and "shiny." ;)

Oh and to add, this will surely sync with Windows... via iTunes.

[headcronie]

I guess the question is, how many new fans, can Mac get to jump onto their OS. They don't own much market share right now, but I suppose this could shake things up, if the product does well. Darn that "shiny" factor... eye candy sells thats for sure. Palm OS is flat and boring. But it works. Shiny usually wins though. All I can do is bang my head against the wall.

I don't doubt this will sync with Windows, and iTunes. Another great source of income for their music shop. ;)

[Joel]

Apple is going after the 1% of the phone market. That's 10 million.

Assuming that there will be 10 million units sold and if all those 10 million would buy just one $0.99 song... that's great income!

[headcronie]

Pennies add up fast.. I'll get off my soapbox now. :o

[Joel]

Specs:

Screen size: 3.5 inches
Screen resolution: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
Input method: Multi-touch
Operating system: OS X
Storage: 4GB or 8GB
GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
Camera: 2.0 megapixels
Battery

* Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
* Up to 16 hours Audio playback

Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
Weight: 4.8 ounces / 135 grams

[dmitrygr]

one thing i was wondering about: what processor does it run? I am almost sure it is ARM but I found no sure indication. I know for sure no x86 would manage to fit, and ARM is a lot like PPC which apple used before...

[Pdaman]

Oh, this is third thread about iPhone. I don't just trust the hole thing, because as example there are even viruses going through and from the iPods what I have heard. Also, it is still missing grps and 3g and for the screen it too small, I think. Though the design is slim but still too slim, though th55 is maybe a bit too big but it better feels on the hand than gadget with paper style look. Just my opinions.

[MrNako]

Looks pretty sweet but I feel like it is a mixture of a TH55 with a Dell Axim :P I don't really see the Apple-ish "look" on it other than being really shiny.

Look at this image. It looks like a TH55, with all those glares it even looks like it has the TH's screen cover.

http://www.gizmodo.com/photogallery/TheRealAppleiPhone/799235

[mr smoove]

why do people talk about the os?! It seems to me that this thing runs independently of what computer os you use. Like, i dunno, the ipod

[mr smoove]

If they can get an ipod to sync with outlook, I don't see why the iphone wouldn't have that capability

[_Em]

Well, they're turning iTunes into an iHub -- all synchonization will happen through it. It becomes much easier to make iTunes synch with Outlook. Of course, iTunes is also set to handle Yahoo! services (calendaring, mail, etc.).

I have a feeling that Apple might get some of the Treo and Blackberry markets just for this reason: no more Exchange Server and no more Palm Desktop.

On another line of thought... I wonder what the top brass of Yahoo! and Google said to each other when they passed on the stairs to the stage... ;) Apple definitely has learned its lesson about industry contacts.

[JAmerican]

It has a 480x320 screen. Does that ring a bell to anyone? Cough Palm OS cough.

I wonder how fast the processor is. I read the batt life is 5 hrs for talk time. I was like wat???????

JAmerican

[dragonsgames]

My phone gets about 5 hours of talk time... Remember... this battery has to be really small to fit into this device.... ;)

[LupeValenz]

Yeah we been screaming at palm to make us a 320x480 Treo but they never listen and I'm glad that someone like Apple has. A nice slap in the face to Palm for ignoring their customer base.
Don't know how fast the processor is but from the Keynote video seems plenty fast enough. Very fluid :D

[dragonsgames]

Has 16 hours of audio... ;)

Yeah we been screaming at palm to make us a 320x480 Treo but they never listen and I'm glad that someone like Apple has. A nice slap in the face to Palm for ignoring their customer base.
Don't know how fast the processor is but from the Keynote video seems plenty fast enough. Very fluid
Apple had the guts to make it. They also had the guts to compete with another one of their products.

[phxchristian]

Bah. Going to be running full desktop OS, on a device that can't fully utilize all desktop software? It's crap. It's already limited by the fact that the vast majority of people use Windows software. So.. now you'll have people running a Mac OS phone, with an emulator, running Windows, to again, be limited by screen size.. How long will this thing take to reboot? My Palm reboots in under 15 seconds.. your iphone? I don't think so..

Hmm.. Maybe my "I don't like Mac" sentiments came out a little bit too strong.. :o

Small minded PC guys like you don't realize that all Macs boot up way quicker than PC counterparts and this iPhone will not boot up, but will always be in power-save mode for quick on and off.

[SPYSPIDER]

It looks great and has a lot of really cool stuff....but my concern is will I be able to open and edit excel, word, and pdf files? If they want to tap into the business market they will have to somehow have to address this. I use a Treo right now and I would not get a phone that I cannot edit documents on.

[dragonsgames]

It is built off OS X, so I don't know why everyone is making a big deal of this. It shouldn't be long before there are mobile versions. And Text Edit on Mac OS X can open .doc files, so I guess the iPhone can too.

[holvoetn]

I do believe that is carrier dictated. Palm could easily do so, but the carriers want their customers to use their $ data plans, not just jump online free while in a coffee shop. I do believe that the wifi driver for the wifi card has been hacked to allow it to work on at least one Palm OS Treo.. I've not kept current with the news on it though.An argument which is void and useless since these same carriers offer WM devices that are PERFECTLY capable of handling WiFi ...

Palm should push this more for Palm OS. Period.

[holvoetn]

It looks great and has a lot of really cool stuff....but my concern is will I be able to open and edit excel, word, and pdf files? If they want to tap into the business market they will have to somehow have to address this. I use a Treo right now and I would not get a phone that I cannot edit documents on.It might be capable of doing so, but given the fact there is no real keyboard it might not be practical to do so ...
On the other hand, I used MyKbd (virtual on screen keyboard in DIA area) for quite a while on my T3, was very happy with it though I would have liked it if I would not have to pull out the stylus all the time for data entry.

[Joel]

It looks great and has a lot of really cool stuff....but my concern is will I be able to open and edit excel, word, and pdf files? If they want to tap into the business market they will have to somehow have to address this. I use a Treo right now and I would not get a phone that I cannot edit documents on.

I don't think the iPhone is designed to tap into the business world. Apple has the Macs for that. :)

[Pdaman]

The thing that bothers me is why Palm still doesn't have WiFi in their Treos. Here comes a new device and it's got Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0!
You got that right but it is still like comparing Palm os to Nokia. They have complete different system. There have been some Nokia phones on the market for some months and even with better camera. And there is coming Nokia N95!

It has a 480x320 screen. Does that ring a bell to anyone? Cough Palm OS cough.

I wonder how fast the processor is. I read the batt life is 5 hrs for talk time. I was like wat??????? Well if there isn't 3g which eats more battery than gprs or gms then it sounds okay time, but for that slim gadget 5 hours sounds really high end time! I hate to admit. But still it might not be true. Look what Sony promised on music listening on the th55, 24 hours? I haven't never got that much, only about something under 20 hours, though it is still good but these battery things might not just be exactly right.

And for screen that is quite amazing too but should be bigger not in word of resolution but in inch :o I couldn't just use smaller screen than on my th55.

It looks great and has a lot of really cool stuff....but my concern is will I be able to open and edit excel, word, and pdf files? If they want to tap into the business market they will have to somehow have to address this. I use a Treo right now and I would not get a phone that I cannot edit documents on.This one is big deal for me too and specially is there possibility to attach keyboard bottom of it? Also, are there coming expense softwares? Or Clie organizer type calendar applications? Or tracking excercises?

I just hate how many mobile os there are out, because there are just too many them, just like memory card types. If there just would be one perfect os with spefic memory card, but no. I have to get different memory card to every gadget. To my phone, pda and camera. Though for softwares it is good as there are different type of softwares for every platform but that doesn't matter either if their are could run on one system.

Will iPhone have btw memory card slot? Maybe not but so what heck are you going to do if iPhone will crash and all your 8gb data is GONE?! Because there are no way backup emails, docs or stuff to memory card?

[RuiDuarte]

Just considering the looks... how can Treo compete with that... "thing" from the future?

[Pdaman]

Just considering the looks... how can Treo compete with that... "thing" from the future?No way, but the system and usability makes the difference. When all popular systems are in future full of viruses we are playing with palm os no problemo. ;)

[2XS]

No way, but the system and usebility makes the difference. When all popular systems are in future full of viruses we palm os playing with palm with no problemo.

I second this!

Its a great looking device and nothing more. All these things can be handled by a Treo, too... of course not in such a stylish way :rolleyes: BTW, what do you think a Palm could do, when it costs 600$ with 2year-contract,... an unlocked device maybe about 900$ ?!? :eek: This geek-deviceness was never the targetaudience of Palm.

Nevertheless its a shame, everything we can see here are suggestions we could read on palm fansites 3 years ago, how old are the mockup-pics of the landscape-treo ???

But we should wait, for now we have just some specifications and a demonstration-tuned device. After the 680 I am very sceptical about battery-lifetime from specs :rolleyes: And as asked by someone before, what about development ? How much developers can push the iPhone to such a usability as Palm-developers could ? I think, we have more palmOS Developers out there then sold iMacs... ok, little bit too extreme ;)

gr33tz 2XS

[archangel]

Just considering the looks... how can Treo compete with that... "thing" from the future?
We have asked for this from Palm for years. If anything this is what the Treo should have been two years ago.
Software could be the thing that gives the Treo an advantage for at least business users. Not sure what kind of apps Apple will allow for it other than widgets. However, I am not a business user and this is a device I have wanted for years so I can't wait for it to be released.

[Pdaman]

Maybe I'm now a bit of nasty because of this "cool" iPhone. Maybe I will get one someday when I find iPhone so cool and beautifull. I don't know. But right I can't say anything than just "LoL". I will more get Playstation 3 than that kind of piece of paper. :o

Though I would still like to know how slim it is compared to th55? About three times thinner? Maybe even four? :eek:

Anyway, it is bit of strange as few weeks ago it did seem that everyone hated writing on the touch screen but now it best way enter data as there is iPhone? ;) :D Heh... Well things change.. Like I said I might get one someday but right now it is not pulling me to a store. As it isn't even released.

[MrNako]

Also the iPhone is almost identical to the previously announced Prada Phone made by LG.
http://www.popgadget.net/prada%20phone%20%282%29.jpg

http://www.popgadget.net/2006/12/prada_phone.php

[Pdaman]

Uu, nice. But not so nice what iPhone...

[keithwwalker]

Hardware wise, it is what I have been wanting all this time (I am still on my NX60+SE T610)

All is not lost for Palm, IMO, they could shortly have a phone version of the Life Drive, with Solid State Hardrive, (already has wifi, bt) in short order. It's too bad they sat on their asses on this one and instead made the Treo look like a Blackberry
:(

Of course, Apples leapfrogged everyone in terms of user interface. Many people are scoffing at the idea of the iPhone, because it is not a 'business phone'. They are correct, but in as much as people love iPods, they will embrace the iPhone as well.

People love toys, and this is a toy - which incidentally can be upgraded to a serious business smartphone. Jobs is smart, he will unleash this phone on the 'general' consumer who are not so picky and anal retentive as the smart phone user.

Later he will upgrade to a true business smartphone and conquer that market as well - it's kind of hard to go the other way, ie, sell a tricked out Treo to a teenage girl.

KWW

Yeah we been screaming at palm to make us a 320x480 Treo but they never listen and I'm glad that someone like Apple has. A nice slap in the face to Palm for ignoring their customer base.
Don't know how fast the processor is but from the Keynote video seems plenty fast enough. Very fluid :D

[_Em]

Don't forget: this phone is BT 2.0 -- that means you can hook up keyboards, mice, graphics tablets, etc. and they *should* work with it. Now Apple needs to create a Bluetooth-enabled Minority-report-style interface device, and they're set ;)

Actually, I think that tactile feedback is a big thing. The next thing someone needs to add to this resistive/touchscreen hybrid technology is the ability to create heat at a point; then the "buttons" could feel slightly warmer to the touch than the surrounding screen. I guess a static field would also work, but that could be more dangerous (although more energy efficient too).

[mrp123]

IMO, they could shortly have a phone version of the Life Drive, with Solid State Hardrive, (already has wifi, bt) in short order. It's too bad they sat on their asses on this one and instead made the Treo look like a BlackberryHave to disagree except for one point. I agree in principle they could have a LIfeDrive phone (once upon a unicorn, however.) In short order? Never. I think they actually hope the LifeDrive will die off from the market on its own. I think Palm was and will continue to be stuck on the Treo to a fault. I've said it before and I maintain Palm's taken no truly innovative risks for quite a while in my opinion.

Could Hawkins new device be too late? Time will tell.

[Joel]

...
Could Hawkins new device be too late? Time will tell.

Could be too late... if they release it, it will be called a copy of the iPhone or even the Nokia N800.

[GadgetGuru05]

Will iPhone have btw memory card slot? Maybe not but so what heck are you going to do if iPhone will crash and all your 8gb data is GONE?! Because there are no way backup emails, docs or stuff to memory card?

I was thinking about the memory card as well.... But about losing data.... did you forget that it syncs with your computer? ;-)

[JAmerican]

If there are no dedicated plans like what T-Mobile does for the Sidekick, be expected to pay $80/month minimum. I will be paying $5 for EDGE along with my Family Plan of 1600 minutes at T-Mobile :)

If you didn't realize, the difference between Cingular EDGE and T-Mobile EDGE is the cost. :)

JAmerican

[GadgetGuru05]

I've already started saving my little money for it....
Im sure that my pre-paid card wont get me to far but i just LOVE GADGETS...
im Gadgetguru after all.. :-)

[Cyker]

I was thinking about the memory card as well.... But about losing data.... did you forget that it syncs with your computer? ;-)
Will it sync with PC and Linux? :P

The touchscreen is the single coolest thing about it - Multi-point!
All touchscreens should be multipoint, 'tho it may be hard for some apps to cope and writing dragging routines would be a lot more complex :)

The iPhone is pretty - It has that sort of "My entire surface is a Touchscreen!" look that I like so much about my TH55.

Still too expensive 'tho, and have they even said whether you can get it in other countries yet?!

[dag3]

I'll admit it, I am a huge Mac fan. I want this phone to succeed. Currently, the pda market is imho lousy. Palm's gallery of pda's is in all honestly pitiful and has been since Sony left. And well, I tried a windows pda and I still wake up screaming in the night - the memories are just that haunting. The thought of having OSx in my pocket is just too cool. With all that said, I have concerns which others have addressed here so I will just sit here and wait and see what happens. As I said in another thread though, if we can access terminal from this phone I will buy it nothing else need be included.

[GadgetGuru05]

Will it sync with PC and Linux? :P

You are right. It is a MAC OSX so.... One more reason to switch to a real machine that looks great and working is fun....a MAC.. ;-)

btw, i dont rememebr in which tread here was a little software to download for Treo to look like iPhone... i did reply to it myself but few days later i dont remember and cant find...
anyone can refresh my old memory?
Merci tonton
:D

[dragonsgames]

http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122131&goto=newpost

You mean that? ;)

I am pretty sure iPhone will work with Windows... Linux? I am not sure, I doubt it.

[GadgetGuru05]

thanx Dragonsgames...
hey, do you have the file to send me? i did sign-up for so many sites to get free stuff that i dont even remember where, what, pass etc...
helpppppppp.. ;-)

[dragonsgames]

http://ahsirg.kvplab.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=9&Itemid=27

That is the download link. Click it and it will download.