Capitalizer for Treo's: Pruss

[kennyd]

I am looking for a utility like capitalizer for my treo 650. I'd like to be able to control screen buttons with the keyboard like I could on my NZ with capitalizer's ctrl "letter" function. Is there another app already out there that has this control or is it possible for capitalizer to be configured for the treo line up.

If someone is not familiar with the function I'm talking about...capitalizer enabled clamshell clie's to control application silk screen buttons with keyboard presses i.e. "ok", "cancel", "new" etc. You would simply press ctrl+O to execute the OK button on the screen. I find this control better than 5 way when possible.

[pruss]

Download KeyCode (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1625) and tell me exactly the sequence of what happens when you press a ctrl key, versus what happens when you press a normal key.

[kennyd]

Download KeyCode (http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1625) and tell me exactly the sequence of what happens when you press a ctrl key, versus what happens when you press a normal key.

There is not a "ctrl" button on the treos...soooo here are a couple of options.

Option Button (Blue Blob):
Down: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@30
Up: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@3190

The "Option" button...executes numbers and symbols in the same way that the shift key executes capital letters.

Alt Key:
Down: 1609 1609 0808[00000000]@26
Up: 1609 1609 0008[00000000]@2800

The "alt" key executes a pop-up window of symbols and special characters when pressed after certain keys

"Normal" key "A":
Down: 0067 0067 0800[00000000]@28
Up: 0067 0067 0800[00000000]@2960

At the end of all three "up" sequences there is a character that looks like a lower case i without the dot

EDIT!!!! I had Up: 1609 1609 0808 as the alt code for up I changed it to the correct setting of Up: 1609 1609 0008 Sorry

[pruss]

There is not a "ctrl" button on the treos...soooo here are a couple of options.

Option Button (Blue Blob):
Down: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@30
Up: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@3190

The "Option" button...executes numbers and symbols in the same way that the shift key executes capital letters.

Alt Key:
Down: 1609 1609 0808[00000000]@26
Up: 1609 1609 0808[00000000]@2800

The "alt" key executes a pop-up window of symbols and special characters when pressed after certain keys

"Normal" key "A":
Down: 0067 0067 0800[00000000]@28
Up: 0067 0067 0800[00000000]@2960

At the end of all three "up" sequences there is a character that looks like a lower case i without the dot

So what key combination should I use? Alt-O, Alt-K? Or are these used already?

And to trigger these, do you have to press Alt/Option simultaneously with a letter key, or can you press in sequence?

[pruss]

OK, I found some information on the web that only the following alt keys are unused: dfgjkmqvwz.

Alt-Z seems reasonable for cancel (it's like an undo), but Alt-K is another option. What should the confirm/OK be? Alt-M? Alt-K? (I don't like Alt-K because the original capitalizer's/okey's ctrl-K was "Kancel") It's important that these be easy to remember.

Or maybe Alt-Enter and Alt-Backspace, if these are currently unused?

[kennyd]

One thing with the altebutton is this. It is normally used by entering a character then pressing the alt key, and a pop-up of alternatives appears. If no characters have been entered a pop-up that states "This key lets you enter accents and symbols not shown on the keyboard..." If I press a character and the alt key and a character has not been placed on the screen then the inforrmation screen described above appears.

[kennyd]

I think that the z & m keys would be great for cancel and confirm. They are both on the same row and are completely oposite each other.

I'm sure that without your having a treo that this is all a bit uncertain but would the Capitalizer function bellow be a possibility on the treo's. This option was great for screens that had done, new, edit, delete etc.

The Sony ALT button selection option lets you press ALT+letter to hit the first
button on the screen starting with the given letter. For instance, if you have
an "OK" button and no other button starting with "o", press ALT+O to activate
the OK button. If you still want to enter one of the accented characters that
normally are normally obtained via ALT+letter, you must press ALT+SHIFT+letter,
with ALT pressed first, then SHIFT, and then the letter, with ALT and SHIFT
only released after the letter is pressed (sticky keys don't work with this for
some strange reason). If there are two buttons starting with the same letter,
the one higher up is pressed. If they are at an equal height, the one to the
left is pressed.

[pruss]

I think that the z & m keys would be great for cancel and confirm. They are both on the same row and are completely oposite each other.

I'm sure that without your having a treo that this is all a bit uncertain but would the Capitalizer function bellow be a possibility on the treo's. This option was great for screens that had done, new, edit, delete etc.

The Sony ALT button selection option lets you press ALT+letter to hit the first
button on the screen starting with the given letter. For instance, if you have
an "OK" button and no other button starting with "o", press ALT+O to activate
the OK button. If you still want to enter one of the accented characters that
normally are normally obtained via ALT+letter, you must press ALT+SHIFT+letter,
with ALT pressed first, then SHIFT, and then the letter, with ALT and SHIFT
only released after the letter is pressed (sticky keys don't work with this for
some strange reason). If there are two buttons starting with the same letter,
the one higher up is pressed. If they are at an equal height, the one to the
left is pressed.

One would need a key to trigger this.

Question: Do Alt-Enter, Alt-Backspace and Alt-Menu do anything?

[kennyd]

One would need a key to trigger this.

Question: Do Alt-Enter, Alt-Backspace and Alt-Menu do anything?


Alt-Enter: executes typical enter
Alt-Backspace: executes typical Backspace
Alt-Menu: opens menu

The alt key does not alter a key stroke as long as a "trigger" key is not placed in front of the cursor

[pruss]

Alt-Enter: executes typical enter
Alt-Backspace: executes typical Backspace
Alt-Menu: opens menu

The alt key does not alter a key stroke as long as a "trigger" key is not placed in front of the cursor

So Alt-Enter is available for OK.
Alt-Backspace for Cancel.
And Alt-Menu for First-Char-select.

If you could tell me what exact sequence is generated in keycode when one does alt-enter, alt-backspace and alt-menu, I would be grateful.

[kennyd]

These sequences are with the alt key pressed while pressing Enter, BS, & menu.

Alt-Enter:
Down: 1609 1609 0808[00000000]@37
Down: 000A 000A 0880[00000000]@40
Up: 000A 000A 0000[00000000]@4220
Up: 1609 1609 0008[00000000]@4270

Alt-Backspace:
Down: 1609 1609 0808[00000000]@26
Down: 0008 0008 0800[00000000]@30
Up: 0008 0008 0000[00000000]@3240
Up: 1609 1609 0008[00000000]@4340

Alt-Menu:
Down: 1609 1609 0808[00000000]@44
Down: 160D 0105 0828[00000000]@47
Up: 160D 0105 0008[00000000]@4980
Up: 1609 1609 0008[00000000]@5080

Down...
Up...
Down...
Up...
is the sequence of lines with the same code if alt was pressed and released before pressing enter, bs, & menu.

[pruss]

One more question (maybe the last one). Normally to trigger alt-keys, do you need to hold alt down while pressing the letter key, or can you just press alt, release, then press the letter key?

[kennyd]

One more question (maybe the last one). Normally to trigger alt-keys, do you need to hold alt down while pressing the letter key, or can you just press alt, release, then press the letter key?

On the Treo the only function of the alt key that I know of is this...type the letter "a">Hit alt>a pop up of alternate keys appear>select a character>the character is placed. That's the long answer. The short answer is no, you do not have to hold the alt key while pressing a character...but the alt key is only functional (normally) when pressed following a character that has alternate characters associated with it.

[pruss]

And what do option-enter, option-backspace and option-menu do?

[kennyd]

These sequences are done by releasing the option button before pressing the enter, bs, or menu

Option-Enter:
Down: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@35
Up: 160D E006 0008[00000000]@3770
Down: 000A 000A 0800[00000000]@44
Up: 000A 000A 0000[00000000]@4630


Option-Backspace:
Down: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@38
Up: 160D E006 0008[00000000]@4050
Down: 0008 0008 0800[00000000]@58
Up: 0008 0008 0000[00000000]@6090

Option-Menu:
Down: 160D E006 0818[00000000]@57
Up: 160D E006 0008[00000000]@5890
Down: 160D 0105 0828[00000000]@65
Up: 160D 0105 0008[00000000]@6710

[pruss]

Make a full backup.
Then:
http://prussfamily.us/ok.prc

[pruss]

The next version will use an ARM notification handler, but I'd like a report on the 68K-based one first. :-)

[kennyd]

Alex, I'm only getting a blank white screen when I follow the download link. I'm using firefox but also tried IE.

[pruss]

Try these:

http://prussfamily.us/ok-68k.prc
http://prussfamily.us/ok-arm.prc

The ARM version is untested but should be much faster. Neither version has gotten serious testing.

[pruss]

I have a new version which is a prefs panel, but I don't want to send that into the testing cycle until this version is tested. Any Treo users want to try?

[kennyd]

Hey Alex, sorry for the delayed post I had a busy weekend. I tried the arm version and it was not working properly. I tried it in ZLauncher's prefs and set the device into a loop. A warm reset worked and I uninstalled. I'll try 68k version next along with the alpha that you just posted.