lets stop the thieves

[aussie_nx70v]

hello all,

with any software, opportunists are quick to jump on and steal someones hard work and try and make a profit from it.

i guess the cf driver is no exception. i think the guys at eruware deserve all the support from us here at cliesource we can give them.

so.........

please, please, please...

if you see anything or anyone try and rip off the hard work the guys have put in do something about it. i mean c'mon $27.00 is not much to pay.

REPORT IT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE

[l0keman]

I agree. I don't want to see this thing on a peer to peer service.
I will however, support anything that supports the driver. Like a new mp3 player or sub driver.

[muybweno]

hell yeah!.. especially a new video player for the NX70V...thats always worth the money

[pigburger]

After doing a little research it looks to be pretty safe. Eruware did a pretty good job locking it down creating a ton of work for anyone who tries to crack it. Not only is it a pain in the butt to crack, you have to crack each new version that comes out. Very counterproductive to the hacking community.

Good for Eruware, not only did they make a killer app for the NX/NZ, they also protected themselves from getting ripped off. $27 for a damn fine product and lifetime upgrades is not a bad deal even to a cheap SOB like me....:)

[SacKingsFan]

LOL

[pigburger]

Hey, I like to find freeware versions of everything, but this is one worth it's weight. I can get a gig of storage for $150 + $27, which according to my math is still cheaper than $640. Calculus can't prove that math wrong....

[clie_wannabe]

i agree...
if you find any site that distributes hacks, etc. for this driver, then at least report it to the developers...

[michael1960]

I agree that the CF drivers are a nice piece of software and really worth the 27$. But I doubt that cracking/stealing will become a problem.

First of all I assume that the majority of Clie users are honest and pay for a software that they intend to use frequently.

Secondly Eruware did a nice job protecting their software.

And last not least, registered users get the updates and that's pretty important. :)

I would not support anyone who wants to get the drivers "for free". But let's not overestimate the "threat". :)

[smatman]

Originally posted by pigburger
Hey, I like to find freeware versions of everything, but this is one worth it's weight. I can get a gig of storage for $150 + $27, which according to my math is still cheaper than $640. Calculus can't prove that math wrong....

Where are you finding a 1 GB card for $150.00? That I would like to know.

[Eddy]

I totally agree, & think all this hard work put into developing this CF driver for NX is well worth $27. it took a lot of inovative thoughts & is quite an incredible breakthough for the NX and free us from big corps like Sony. :D

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by smatman




Where are you finding a 1 GB card for $150.00? That I would like to know.

Dell has a Sandisk 1gig CF card for $230. They also have a coupon for 15% off software and peripherals bringing the cost down to $198. Then there is a $50 mail in rebate, hence $150. If you want to go cheaper you can get a 512 for under $75 through the same process or a 256 for $35.

[pigburger]

Oops, that was me, for some reason I got logged out and didn't notice...

[knowledge]

I totally agree. $27 was not much to pay for the driver. The driver was actually cracked before it was even released to the public. The only way to stop warez is to not be a part of it.

[aussie_nx70v]

Originally posted by knowledge
I totally agree. $27 was not much to pay for the driver. The driver was actually cracked before it was even released to the public. The only way to stop warez is to not be a part of it.

what do you mean 'cracked before it was even released to the public'? What do you know about this?

I hope you have done the right thing and reported it to the developers...

[patrickl]

Why would these people deserve the money more than any other company you did steal software from? Eruware doesn't even give the option of a trial so they are beggin to get cracked. I for one won't buy this software till I know it does what I want from it. If I could try it "for free" I might be persuaded to buy it.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by aussie_nx70v
What do you mean 'cracked before it was even released to the public'? What do you know about this?

I hope you have done the right thing and reported it to the developers... You know, I've beta tested a lot of software, and I'd say software gets 'leaked' and 'cracked' in *most* cases before it's public release. Sad but true.

Chances are it's not even a beta tester that does it, but maybe they 'share' the software with a friend, who then, in turn, shares it with somebody else and so on, until it gets to a person we all wish it hadn't. . .

In one case (and massman82 can verify this), the developer did nothing to stop it, looking at the 'leak' as an 'alternative' marketing tool. I thought that was interesting (and unusual).

[aussie_nx70v]

so you think eruware by trying to protect their product is begging to be cracked??

are you nuts?

cheeeezzzz

[patrickl]

Preventing people to try the software first is begging to get cracked/pirated yes.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by aussie_nx70v
so you think eruware by trying to protect their product is begging to be cracked??

are you nuts?

cheeeezzzz If you're speaking to me, where did I say that?

All I said was 'leaks' and 'cracks' are common. I think most people are honest, and pay developers for their hard work. I've certainly advocated that often enough here.

And, YES, I am nuts, thanks for asking.:D

[aussie_nx70v]

i understand that things can go wrong, however with this particular project, a previous poster has made a remark id like to know more about......

sure, software gets released on a daily basis by the thousands. however, how many software developers completely change a piece of hardware and make it do something that the manufacturer states it cant do (officially anyway)?

if eruware made an intentional leak to the public then i would be dissapointed. i have made (like many here) a contribution to their business by purchasing a product off them. i have faith in what they do. i could have easily waited and downloaded a cracked version off the net if i needed to. i dont beleive they did so i'll leave it for someone else to confirm or deny this.

there is a very large palm warez site that has thousands of cracked programs. you know what? i havent even got one of them. im no scum bag (sorry to put it like that). and i know many of us here in cliesouce arent either..

[sp535]

I totally agree w/ you. All hard work that makes people happy should be rewarded. and Lifetime upgrades does that as well.

_SP

[aussie_nx70v]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
If you're speaking to me, where did I say that?

All I said was 'leaks' and 'cracks' are common. I think most people are honest, and pay developers for their hard work. I've certainly advocated that often enough here.

And, YES, I am nuts, thanks for asking.:D

LOL.....no not you rose......patrick.....

[patrickl]

Hehe, I guess I'm nuts too yes. Why do I even respond on a thread like this. Better unsubscribe to get rid of the flood of e-mails :D

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by patrickl
Hehe, I guess I'm nuts too yes. Why do I even respond on a thread like this. Better unsubscribe to get rid of the flood of e-mails :D You do know you can turn email notification off . . . I respond to so many threads, I HAVE to . . . EEEEK! I'd have email bouncing everywhere . . . !!!!

[n2ifp]

I had long since turned mine off, as it drove me nuts and I am already nuts too! So the point is that I didn't need any additional help :)!

Yes, some were already trying to crack things before being released, disgusting :(!

Has anyone ever cracked JackFlash I wonder?

No, I am NOT looking to steal it!

[aussie_nx70v]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I had long since turned mine off, as it drove me nuts and I am already nuts too! So the point is that I didn't need any additional help :)!

Yes, some were already trying to crack things before being released, disgusting :(!

Has anyone ever cracked JackFlash I wonder?

No, I am NOT looking to steal it!

mate, if your nuts then id like to join you. i dont know anyone else around here who is more knowlegable about the clie as you. take that as you will

in regards to jackflash........unfortunately it has.....

[cliener]

In reference to a copy being cracked and out before the release...yes, there was, it is a garbage copy though and may even damage the clie...I think I stated before that if you have to go to a freeware site and download a pirate version and RISK damage in lieu of paying $27.00 (cheap in this day and age for anything of quality) then you pays your ticket and takes your ride.
However, as clever as the boys at Eruware seem to be, I wouldn't be surprised if that was all they had up their sleeves in the way of protecting their work.
Of course, they could always just take my other suggestion and SCRAP the free lifetime maintenance, and raise the price and that would make a great deal of difference to the community.
I don't see them doing that though, instead they seem to have an open ear to their fellow cliers.

[hansschmucker]

cliener: Freeware IS NOT WAREZ. I love freeware, but I'm not in favour of piracy. BTW, when does this damn eruware serial arrive?

On the technical side: A driver has to be device native and not use the OS functions, therefore it should be quite easy protect it!

[mrbjg4]

This driver is a breath of fresh air. An original product in response to overwhelming interest? What an odd business model for software. (sarcastic) Practical development is so uncommon these days. Most are just rewrites or rehashes of somebody's unfinished or useless project and don't deserve a dime. Kudos to eruware. This one does deserves the money. And if Eru did release the faulty hack patch version that caused hard reset, good for them.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
cliener: Freeware IS NOT WAREZ. I love freeware, but I'm not in favour of piracy. BTW, when does this damn eruware serial arrive?

On the technical side: A driver has to be device native and not use the OS functions, therefore it should be quite easy protect it!

If it takes too long, contact eruware at support.com

The email will most likely come from Nolan Capehart, one of Amir's fellow associates.

[cliener]

Thanks for the correction Hannsch. My bad. On the piracy thing, I think (am pretty sure) that someone associated with your site is also the guy that posted the version of the driver. Not pointing any fingers but you may want to check that out.

[cliener]

Sorry about that, got distracted. Yeah, there was a thread about that and a few people seem to have wiped their spam bulk mail with the reg codes. It seems that the Nolan email went there instead of gettting to the main email.

[Eddy]

If someone is willing to pay for all the hightech Sony gadgets, MS & even MS PRO, flash cards, Carrying cases & even more.....
With all these expenses I don't see why spending another $27.00 would do any harm.

[hansschmucker]

cliener: I don't even have a site, only a few places I use for storage. But I guess I know who you're talking about. I honestly don't know if he did what you said he did.

Anyway, I'm a big sourceforge fan and about 3/4 of the software on my PC comes from there. It's all freeware, but it has nothing to do with piracy.

n2ifp, cliener: Sorry, I should have been a little more specific. I mail ordered and it take some time until the money arrives at eruware headquarters, that's the whole problem. Not everybody has a credit card (And I honestly don't want any, as I'm no good at managment: Right now, I look into my wallet, and onto my bank account (I set the credit limit to 0), sum up those two values and know exactly how much I can spend)

[cliener]

I agree, $27.00 isn't all that much, but people inclined to stealing can justify anything. It all comes out in the end anyway, the time spent cracking or whatever could have been spent doing something else.

[cliener]

I didn't mean you in particular Hannsch, just some in general have posted that they haven't received it yet. I don't think the Nolan Capehart email made their main email. It got put into bulk under the spam guard and they deleted it through habit before they realized what it was.
I am new to this posting and my typing isn't that great and I am getting signed out between posts.

[dúnadan]

Good luck with this, and if you are successful in stopping the thieves, please find a solution for homelessness, cruelty to animals, greed in general, and environmental pollution :rolleyes: .

Originally posted by knowledge
The only way to stop warez is to not be a part of it.

Now that's the truth!

[ibooyaka]

Well my take on the "cracked" situation is, if there was ever a cracked version of this driver, not that many people would try to get it because this is a device specific piece of software? Its not quite like a program like Acid Image that can be used in almost all Palm OS devices. I know there will still be some people who rip the software off but I also feel that most of the people who really really need and anticipated this driver would have bought it by now. I don't know about the flood of people who are going to want to buy the NX/NZ because of this new capability though. If they truly want to buy this great device for the capability of CF, then hopefully they will shell out the $27 and not resort to warez.

[CopyCat]

Originally posted by patrickl
Why would these people deserve the money more than any other company you did steal software from? Eruware doesn't even give the option of a trial so they are beggin to get cracked. I for one won't buy this software till I know it does what I want from it. If I could try it "for free" I might be persuaded to buy it.

I don't know about you, but being new to the PALM scene I have rarely been able to try software for free that has not been palm stuff. They had 100 beta testers including myself who are part of the community tell all of you how good the product worked.
Software for PALM I have noticed is almost always pirated through its shareware, so I can see how easily the decision to not have that option would be.

-Eduardo

[ashVID]

The driver is not crackable in the traditional sense. An XML patch can make any registration # work but there is a check that will crash the Clie when a card it mounted. Xcade is like this as well. Making a crack would be almost as hard as making the driver! The driver is ONLY useful if you go out and spend $100+ on a CF card so what is another $27???


ash =o)

[kdn102]

As I have posted once before on some other thread....

You don't need a trial for a driver.  It either does what they claim, or it doesn't.  If you need to perform the claimed actions then you need it, you buy it!  If not then don't and stop complaining.

Originally posted by patrickl
Why would these people deserve the money more than any other company you did steal software from? Eruware doesn't even give the option of a trial so they are beggin to get cracked. I for one won't buy this software till I know it does what I want from it. If I could try it "for free" I might be persuaded to buy it.

[Eddy]

I've gotten my official driver & reg key (in less than 20mins after sending in my Hotsync ID!) :D
As I fiddle with the new driver along with my CF card, honestly, I can say is that my $27 spent was well worth it, with the capabilites it offers you. Even if you don't plan to puchase the CF, it's a driver you wouldn't want to miss if you're an NX owner.

[timw_de]

Even if you don't plan to puchase the CF, it's a driver you wouldn't want to miss if you're an NX owner.

what would be the point in that ?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by timw_de


what would be the point in that ?

The point would be that in the future you may want it. Stuff can happen where let's say, Sony shuts them down, or the developer goes out of business. You then find yourself unable to acquire it. 

[timw_de]

so i'll order the entire palmgear catalog - just in case

the poster did say:

"Even if you don't plan to puchase the CF"

i have no intention of buying a horse, should i build a stable ?

[aussie_nx70v]

Originally posted by Unregistered
There is a place where someone called nx70ver said he can generate registration numbers for others:

Let's see some of the guys that request for serial number: . . .

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?????

ARE YOU TELLING US THAT THESE GUYS ARE TRYING TO GET THE CODES FROM HACKERS? AND IF THIS SO HOW HAVE YOU GOT THIS INFO

TALK ABOUT SCUM BAGS !

One last thing.....WHY ARE YOU POSTING AS UNREGISTERED?

ARE YOU GUTLESS?

[Unregistered]

Was it really necessary to quote the entire message again?

[aussie_nx70v]

is it really necessary for you to post a message as unregistered?

[Unregistered]

another intelligent answer

[Unregistered]

Lots of people have claimed to have reg codes that get past the registration screen, no one has yet had any codes that would actually mount a card. Let's see one of your codes...until then I don't believe it.

[timw_de]

another intelligent answer

LOL,

the forum is full of 'em

:D

[cliener]

I really have to pity these people that can't do anything original, but instead have to submit to their drives to crack other peoples work...seek help guys. I know you think "OH, I can stop whenever I want..." but I really think you need to be in some kind of step program or something.
Maybe something in public service? I read this thread and I get visions of poor people who can't afford $27.00 for this driver. People in rags, on the side of the road...with at least $500.00 of hardware they keep in a shopping cart or a cardboard box and my heart just breaks.

[Eddy]

I wouldn't really be too surprised that this particular unregister guest has posted such a long list here, with intention to catch attention. LOL :D

Power of knowledge can either be put into good uses, or in the trash bin. Obviously we have a very good example of how it is applied here.

Obviously that long list of names are mainly Asians, makes me sick to be known as one myself. oh well, there's always "2 sides to a coin". :D

[cliener]

There are thieves in every country Eddy, just as there are honest people. I noticed that the posts were predominantly asian also. I don't think that means all Asians are thieves though, so you have no reason to be ashamed. Now, if you are the guy making the initial post...Then bad Eddy, BAD! I don't think they actually got it working though. The net is full of sites claiming to have cracked it....some actually asking for help to crack it. I think it says something for its popularity but also something for how sad these individuals are.

[NX70V]

Originally posted by Eddy
Obviously that long list of names are mainly Asians, makes me sick to be known as one myself. oh well, there's always "2 sides to a coin". :D [/B]

Maybe you're one of them...?
´ä¥J!

[cliener]

Can't we all just get along?

[n2ifp]

Some love a challenge as they have nothing better to do. Unfortunately they don't realize that others now don't trust Asians and will always view them with suspicion.

[benixau]

look. i am an aussie (and pretty damn proud of it too thankyou). It will cost me $60 dollars at the age of 17 to get the driverfs. No i am going through my final year of high-school and have alot of other expenses to deal with.
If people like me are going to pay for it and be honest (i.e. students) why cant other people. Do you really need to have threee cokes a day this week. Cut it out. Just one week.
Jeez - i dont think they are sad. They are probably happy that they got a code (thats how they get their joys).
BUT - it is downright disgusting. I hate crackers. Why? cause i am a hacker. I hack and do it for fun. Crackers do the illegal stuff and them call themselves hackers and give people like me a bad name.
Go get a life and crack into Macro**** or something.
Not into the software that was written by some people trying to make a honest living by writing truly useful software.

[n2ifp]

I have come to the conclusion, that unregistered is only trolling to crank everyone up and that all code generating crap is bogus! ! !

[Eddy]

I can always take a good laugh... LOL :D
oh by the way, I'm still proud of being me, a fully registered user. Just got my code this morning, thank goodness I was able to beat Eruware's closing time, otherwise I'd have to wait until next Monday to get the reg key.
Anyway, I agree this discussion really should come to a conclusion.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by clie_wannabe
i agree...
if you find any site that distributes hacks, etc. for this driver, then at least report it to the developers...

I'm so ****ing sick of all these people who don't like hacks. I personally do not want to pay for software, so I use hacked versions. They work great. Oh, but the "hard working" developers don't get paid. Cry me a ****ing river. I write software and don't get paid; I do it because it's fun. Anyway, I anxiously await the cracked version of these drivers (I'll spend my $27 on a CF card, thankyouverymuch)

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Unregistered

I write software and don't get paid; I do it because it's fun.
If you love it so much...why steal software, write your own...or does flipping burgers at McDonalds keep you too busy.
Anyway, I anxiously await the cracked version of these drivers (I'll spend my $27 on a CF card, thankyouverymuch)
Why...can't steal one of those as well?

[turcic.com]

One thing that strikes me is that this topic was already worth five (!) pages. Is the CF driver the first Palm software that gets pirated? The answer is NO. Is the CF driver superior to other Palm Software. The answer is again NO. Some people might find it more useful, others less. Let's face it. Piracy has always been an issue on almost any computer platform, including the Palm.

So please let's stop talking about it, the more you talk about it, the more you unwillingly attract attention to it.

[BClie2k]

Originally posted by Unregistered


Oh wonderful; this forum censors the word "fU(K" now. Guess we aren't adult enough to swear here?

How about this? **** YOU **** YOU **** YOU ****YoU ****YOU |=|_|(|< YOU!

That should help us all, right?:rolleyes:

I think warez downloads give people a sweet feeling of getting great things for free, while others pay for it. However, it can make you feel guilty too. I beilieve that people should pay for must have software like the CF driver and other essential ones and stop begging for crack software.

Come on guys, this is one of the best softwares you could get for your Clie. Stop whinning and buy it.


Al

[n2ifp]

Let's all pray for the poor tortured feeble minded no class troll!

They certainly need divine intervention and help!

God bless their soul and may he deliver them from the devil's grasp!

[Unregistered]

"I have come to the conclusion, that unregistered is only trolling to crank everyone up and that all code generating crap is bogus! ! !"

If you think hacking/cracking/code generating is bogus, then you are very naive indeed.

It is a nasty dishonest thing to do but it happens all the time, unfortunately.

[cliener]

Hmmm...I just love a good argument. Okay, lets ask the guys at Eruware to put out bogus FREE cf drivers and see what happens??? OR...maybe they should up the price!!! Yeah, that's it....make it sooooo very expensive that everyone will want to crack it...or are they already so full of crack that any logical explanation is beyond them anyway??? Yeah, maybe they can't write the driver....maybe they can't pay $27.00...maybe they just can't stop themselves.... SEEK HELP NOW...monitors, I really think this thread has run its course...don't you????

[turcic.com]

*yawn*

[yawn]

ahem

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I have come to the conclusion, that unregistered is only trolling to crank everyone up and that all code generating crap is bogus! ! ! Actually, Larry, there are 3 different trolls (from different areas of the country) that are enjoying destroying this thread. Amazing, ain't it?

and people wonder why so many people want to bar unregistered posting...

[TheSpies]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
and people wonder why so many people want to bar unregistered posting...

Was there a poll for this once? I can't seem to remember.

[OcellNuri]

So are some of these posts getting deleted? I'm just confused, when a message is quoted but I can't find the original.

LOL @ yawn
That was too funny.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by TheSpies


Was there a poll for this once? I can't seem to remember.

Yes, and if I remember correctly, it seemes that most wanted to get rid of unregistered posting. While it would have a few side effects, I think it would overall have a better benifit here. PIC improved greatly after getting rid of the IM Anoynomus posters.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Actually, Larry, there are 3 different trolls (from different areas of the country) that are enjoying destroying this thread. Amazing, ain't it?

and people wonder why so many people want to bar unregistered posting...

It figures...

I don't let it bother me since I realize they have a problem. The best&nbsp;thing is to ignore them!&nbsp;Although sometimes if you egg them on, the dumber they become. If they can't have an audience they will go elsewhere. Whatever the rest would like to do is fine by me, within reason of course.

Yawn, that was funny, LOL

[ashVID]

If anyone wants some free diamonds, email me, I have a nice set of ski masks and hammers. There is no crack for this driver, just like Xcade it is going to take as much time to hack it as it did to develope it. Then every upgrade will need to be re-hacked. Register you coward...

ash =o)

[Unregistered]

where can i find that 50 dollar rebate form on the sandisk 1.0gb?

[Molerat]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
Actually, Larry, there are 3 different trolls (from different areas of the country) that are enjoying destroying this thread. Amazing, ain't it?

and people wonder why so many people want to bar unregistered posting...

Trolling happens, unregistered or not. Only when people stop responding will the trolling factor decrease. Simple internet psychology.

[Molerat]

Originally posted by ashVID
If anyone wants some free diamonds, email me, I have a nice set of ski masks and hammers. There is no crack for this driver, just like Xcade it is going to take as much time to hack it as it did to develope it. Then every upgrade will need to be re-hacked. Register you coward...

ash =o)

While the claims of cracks may be false now, it would be naive to think any software cannot be cracked. It's all about interest. Detrimental as they may be, crackers can be very resourceful people. *When* there is sufficient interest, all software will be cracked. That's why Windows XP is freely availabe. That's why you can run Linux on the X-Box. That's why wireless encyrption is rather useless. The CF driver is no different.

Perhaps there is an irony here. It may well take as much effort to crack the driver as it did to create it, but that will not stop it from happenning. It speaks to the motivations of software design. Slashdot recently featured an interesting discussion on the psychology of software development. Paraphrasing:

Some do it out of a sense of altruism. Some do it for recognition. Some do it for money. Some do it for ideological reasons. Some do it because it is there to do.

The fact is people have different motivations for authoring software. Remember, by Eruware's own admission, Sony built significant barriers into the CF design. And just as Eruware persevered to find a way around those constraints, sufficiently motivated crackers will find away around Eruware's. It is inevitable.

The only preventitive measure, that I know of, is to keep interest to a minimum. If no one cares, there is less a chance anyone will take the effort to crack the software. With something as high profile as the CF driver, however, this may not be possible. Good luck, Eruware.

[ashVID]

I didnt say there COULDN'T be one but just how hard it would be. Xcade has never been cracked because a) it is VERY hard b) it works on limited devices. The same is true of the CF driver. A simple "patch" will not work, there will have to be some sort of debugging program running live. And as I mentioned, each release will require an EXTENSIVE rehack. You can remove the registration need EASILY but there is a check and when you mount a card, fatal crash... Eruware did a great job!


ash =o)

[ashVID]

By the way, I know most of this from Xbox hacking which also requires XML hacks, patches, etc. I own every Palm app I use regularly... =o)


ash =o)

[smatman]

Originally posted by Unregistered
where can i find that 50 dollar rebate form on the sandisk 1.0gb?


I too would like to find this. I think it is gone. There was no evidence of it on the SanDisk page, I tried the rebate index on Best Buy & Dell knew nothing about it. The only thing I found was a $50.00 rebate on a 1 GB Viking at Tiger Direct (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=V98-2012%20P) for $229.00 after rebate but is is more expensive than the SanDisk at Dell (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0006297). This one is 15% off = $199.00 w/ free ground shipping. (good till Apr 30) I ordered one, but had to call when the 15% did not come up during checkout and they adjusted it for me and placed the order over the phone with the 15% discount and free shipping. But I think the SanDisk rebate is over. If someone know of where that is, I would like to know too. Thanks.

[cliener]

I see you have a lot of insight into what Eruware did to protect its driver?? Do you maybe work for them Ashvid??? If so, this is a great product I understand...and what will they follow it with???

[ashVID]

Nope, dont work for them but I do like to mess around with different programs to see the "guts" Kind of like a kid taking a radio apart ya know? Generally most Palm developers dont spend as much time/money on security because the more secure, the harder it is to deliver and support. Someone changes or enters the wrong Hotsync name and you got to spend time with tech support. It makes sense for a smaller company though, especially with such a limited user base...



ash =o)

[aussie_nx70v]

just doing some surfing around. came across this:

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:26 am Post subject:

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Got one here, but the patch doesn't work on my NX70.. has anybody a better one and/or just a working KeyGen..
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CFDriver Patched.zip ¢¹Ò´ 17.19 KB
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CF DriverUnpatched.zip ¢¹Ò´ 317.04 KB
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the theives are trying !!!! wont be long i reckon.

oh, by the way thread has been reported....

[TheSpies]

from what Ayasin said about how they protected it i dont think any release version will be cracked. Sure i imagine it could be done in time by a competent person, but i doubt anyone is going to want to spend as much time and trouble as it would take.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by TheSpies
from what Ayasin said about how they protected it i dont think any release version will be cracked. Sure i imagine it could be done in time by a competent person, but i doubt anyone is going to want to spend as much time and trouble as it would take.

Though I doubt it would be worth the time it would take to crack it, I wouldn't discount someone from doing it. I hear the main reason most of these apps are cracked isn't because they want the apps for free, it's mostly the challenge of doing it.

[aussie_nx70v]

Originally posted by cbulock


Though I doubt it would be worth the time it would take to crack it, I wouldn't discount someone from doing it. I hear the main reason most of these apps are cracked isn't because they want the apps for free, it's mostly the challenge of doing it.

your absolutely correct. its the challenge of doing something thats claimed to be impossible or very hard to do.

[ashVID]

Eruware is not really at risk IMHO. They are marketing to a niche community that has the best interest in supporting the device/driver. IF there was a crack I suspect that most the people who would use it would not have purchased the driver anyway and if they like it they will buy the upgrade. Even if someone does manage to hack this driver it is going to take an elaborate virtual hotsync to a PALM OS5 NX emulator which is already above most peoples heads. Then each additional update would require a re-hack.... just not going to happen. The 2 best secured Palm apps IMHO are Xcade and the CF Driver, and coincidentally they are the two I think are most worth buying...


ash =o)

[jermstan]

Hi,

I am not a programmer but I was just wondering whether having more security features would slow down an application when it launches.