new SkinUI

[dmitrygr]

hello,

http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/skinUI_2042.prc


try that :)

2 new [REALLY COOL! ] effects and an option to completely unload skinui for certain apps (should help some games get more ram and the treo phone app)


EDIT: new link posted
EDIT 2: new new link posted, updated

[jreagles16]

dimtry I have heard that skinui doesn't work well with the treo 700p. does it now?


Also does it skin the phone ui like skinner does?

Thanks.

[dmitrygr]

i do not know if it works any better now. i was hoping you'd tell me that:-) as for phone ui: no. but i suppose i can add it

[Pully]

Thanks dmitrygr will give this a go and hopefully the unload feature for Apps will help resolve my Agendus category selection crashes.

Will report back tomorrow :)

[dreamteam]

camera dose not crash any more with completely unload checked.
but it crashes when i get into skinui/pref right after taking a photo.

[tosbsas]

hmm - looks good but app dialog is wierd, my apps (from 2.03.02) are cut off, list starts in the middle - hmm

Ruben

[PinCushionQueen]

hmm - looks good but app dialog is wierd, my apps (from 2.03.02) are cut off, list starts in the middle - hmm

Ruben

I get the same phenomenom... except my visible portion of the list starts at the end... it's like the list is invisible, meaning there's lines and I can select one there's just no text.

[Church Punk]

I get the same phenomenom... except my visible portion of the list starts at the end... it's like the list is invisible, meaning there's lines and I can select one there's just no text.

same here :confused:

[ahsirg]

The zoom and spin are definetely cool and are not slow on 72

[cyberdude]

Love the spin effect! I noticed there was an app named ff in my app list that doesn't exist on my device - what is that?

[PinCushionQueen]

Ha! I didn't even notice the new effects! Yeah - Spin and Zoom are way cool!! Now just to decide which one I want to use :D

Oh and @CyberDude - the apps list for me in the new SkinUI is messed up (ie: mostly invisible) - do you actually see your list of apps?

[dmitrygr]

no idea what you are talking about when you say "list". can't someone send me screenshot?

[PinCushionQueen]

no idea what you are talking about when you say "list". can't someone send me screenshot?

Here ya go :-)

[cyberdude]

Here is what my screens look like when I start skinui:
http://cancer.aecom.yu.edu/screenshots/skinui/v2/skinui_applist.jpghttp://cancer.aecom.yu.edu/screenshots/skinui/v2/skinui_applist0000.jpg
http://cancer.aecom.yu.edu/screenshots/skinui/v2/skinui_applist0001.jpghttp://cancer.aecom.yu.edu/screenshots/skinui/v2/skinui_applist0002.jpg

[DoctorBri]

dmitrygr, this is hot! (haven't played around with SkinUI, lately) A few issues:

1. Are the various form effects (and I suppose any other feature) available for developers to call upon in their apps? (sorry if I used the wrong terminology, not a programmer myself). Not sure how useful this would be, just curious.
2. skinui.prc is named 'E' in the default launcher
3. Settings for individual effects would be nice (kinda picky, I know. e.g. select which one's are included in random, set individual detail levels)
4. During tour, eliminate the (<<) button on 1st slide, & (>>) button on last (another picky one ;)

(T|X, no apps except fontsmoother installed)

[cyberdude]

I'm a little slow today. It took me looking at my own screenshots to realize that the ff app is probably offFlush and the PDF app is probably palmPDF, but I don't know why these names are being truncated.

[PinCushionQueen]

I'm a little slow today. It took me looking at my own screenshots to realize that the ff app is probably offFlush and the PDF app is probably palmPDF, but I don't know why these names are being truncated.

So you've only got 3 apps on your exception list? I've probably 15 or so and only the last few are showing up and the names are truncated and it looks like the reset of list is invisible. See my screen shot - there should be text in that whole empty space.

However, any new apps that I've added to competely turn off SkinUI (The Quest and uniCMD) show up on the just fine.

[cyberdude]

Yeah only 3. If I delete the current ones and add them in again - no problem.

PCQ since we can't see your list, what apps do you have on your list and why?

[dmitrygr]

ok i found the app list bug. will release new beta asap

[cyberdude]

ok i found the app list bug. will release new beta asap
can't wait!!! :D

[Brunobiseu]

... as for phone ui: no. but i suppose i can add it

It would be great if you could have SkinUI skin the Phone app! :)
Thank you in advance,

Bruno

[dmitrygr]

ok, redownload from the link in first post. and as long as you didnt change the list with this version, the new one should red it just fine.

i just used up an extra reserved bit in the structure, and forgot to subtract it elsewhere so struct got bigger

[+Kardboard+]

...and have support for existing Skinner skins? Hmm....:):)

[cyberdude]

ok, redownload from the link in first post. and as long as you didnt change the list with this version, the new one should red it just fine.

i just used up an extra reserved bit in the structure, and forgot to subtract it elsewhere so struct got bigger
I deleted the old list and recreated the list and it was fine, I then installed your newest fix and this is how it looks - should I recreate again?
http://cancer.aecom.yu.edu/screenshots/skinui/v2/skinui_applist0003.jpg

[dmitrygr]

yes :-). shouldn't have modified the old one:-)

[PinCushionQueen]

yay!! fixed :D THNX!! U rock!

[PinCushionQueen]

Yeah only 3. If I delete the current ones and add them in again - no problem.

PCQ since we can't see your list, what apps do you have on your list and why?

Well the majority of apps on my per-app config list are there just for little tweaks, mainly because I'm picky (or some would say an obsessed perfectionist or is it control freak?) :p But that's what is so great about SkinUI - it's customizable!. If say the buttons look a little weird in a particular app then I just shut off SkinUI buttons for just that app and leave the rest of SkinUI active. And I've had a few apps that override SkinUI settings anyways and so now I can just completely disable SkinUI for those apps (Thanks DG!! ) Adjusting the configuration of SkinUI on a per app basis is much easier than writing to all the developers and having them make changes.

If you really want - I can make a list of the apps on my list and what adjustments I've made. :)

[tosbsas]

yeah - that would be great.

And DG - you are the man, now we just need your fat32 driver for all devices and we are set (for a while)

Ruben

[dmitrygr]

"set for a while" = don't need me?

thanks :-(

[dmitrygr]

so now I can just completely disable SkinUI for those apps


you shoudl set all effects to off for those apps instead. usually this accomplishes the same effect. completely unloading is a bit more complex, and is only for the really bad cases. It really completely UNLOADS skinui and skin from memory, and thus on app exit it has to be re-loaded. this can slow things down a bit for that app.

[PinCushionQueen]

you shoudl set all effects to off for those apps instead. usually this accomplishes the same effect. completely unloading is a bit more complex, and is only for the really bad cases. It really completely UNLOADS skinui and skin from memory, and thus on app exit it has to be re-loaded. this can slow things down a bit for that app.


Good to know! That's what I had been doing before this newest version... Well I still get a couple of really cool new effects! :d

And don't ever think we don't need you!! So are you out of school for the quarter? Or are you just doing what I'm doing and trying to find an excuse not to study for finals? :p

[+Kardboard+]

Newest version doesn't play nice with my Treo 650. Random resets, then after a reset it unregisters itself and tells me to register it, but the ID is different! Ended up going back to the last stable release for now. Got a chance to play with the new transitions before everything went kaboom, and they're pretty spiffy!

[Pully]

Still not playing well with Agendus, have set it to unload for that application.

But when you use Agendus the buttons are still skinned and still get an instant reset when selecting a category for a contact. Have tried a couple of skins with same result, but select Default skin and Agendus works fine :s

Love the spin effect though :)

[Church Punk]

hmm, i have a bug to report :(

now that i did my sounds package (OSX :p) i had two times the same crash, went into a reset loop, did a warm reset, selected the sys sounds in SkinUI, soft reset, and again the loop, until i did a hard reset :( (yes, twice)

How: I noticed the first time was, when i was cheking the sounds in the "preview" option in SkinUI sound selection. There, in the preview, I opened the menu, then went to the next menu, the one that has nothing, and then i closed the menu (tapped elsewhere on screen) and pop! reset loop, it happend twice :(

and later the third reset loop (which ended also in a HR) was when i did a RescoExplorer restore of a psylauncher.db (categories in explorer were all messed up) and required a soft reset after restoring. it always promts with an alert form, this time with sound when tapping ok (when closing, but with weird repetition of the close sound) and somehow it went to a the loop again. now this time i dont blame the sUI, but since i always restore the psylaucner thing everytime i need and without such a result...

anybody else having this bug with sounds?

[cyberdude]

I've been using the simplexpsounds soundpack ever since skinui 2.0 came out with no problems whatsoever. It sounds like you made your own sound pack, if that is so, maybe it is a problem with the soundpack? If you have made a soundpack, maybe others could test it for you?

[I love my mom]

I have a slight complaint: It still hard resets my device everytime I launch it. It's an incompatibility because it works fine after the hard reset, but who's willing to go through a bunch of hard resets and restores to find out what it is? Nay, not me.

[Church Punk]

yeh, created a newone and tested the simplepack. i had a soft reset but this time didnt went to a loop :D guess it was my package...

something i dont understand, is that the sounds that are less thank 5k were creating this problem. I know because they didnt sound at all, and with this new package i tried to use only with 15k and above, which worked perfectly... i think this is weird... :confused:

[fridayy]

Does anyone know where I can get the "Simplexsounds" for skinui? or any other sound pack?

thanks
fridayy

[Pully]

see this thread (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120552) by cyberdude.

[Church Punk]

yep thats it...

hmmm one question, why when i select, "silent" on the Clock popup dialogue i can still hear the sounds? I thought it was like system default replacement? Is there a way to change them like the default sys sound?

[cyberdude]

yep thats it...

hmmm one question, why when i select, "silent" on the Clock popup dialogue i can still hear the sounds? I thought it was like system default replacement? Is there a way to change them like the default sys sound?
The only thing I've found that completely silences the sounds from SkinUI is Alex Pruss' sound hack for YAHM. See the silence is golden thread I started.

[Church Punk]

ow, can you turn it on and of just like that?

[cyberdude]

ow, can you turn it on and of just like that?
I have a macro enabled through mykbd that starts YAHM and selects the profile that has soundhack enabled then I have another macro that does the same but selects the profile that has soundhack disabled. they look like <run YAHM><tap A><run LauncherX> and <run YAHM><tap B><run LauncherX>. As you can see they also return me to my launcher after execution.

If you don't own mykbd you can just go into YAHM and enable/disable the hack.

[Church Punk]

i c, i have my Hard keys full of macros so i dont know if i would be able to do it like you do. It would be nice to have a DA that enables and disables the hack, like the FontSmoother DA? maybe_? =)

[cyberdude]

i c, i have my Hard keys full of macros so i dont know if i would be able to do it like you do. It would be nice to have a DA that enables and disables the hack, like the FontSmoother DA? maybe_? =)
Yeah it would. But I don't assign the macro to the hard keys, I assign it to one of the macro keys on the mykbd keyboard. #3 silences my palm and #2 unsilences it. All I have to do is bring up the DIA and tap the correct space. :)

[FerdFerd]

I don't assign the macro to the hard keys, I assign it to one of the macro keys on the mykbd keyboard. #3 silences my palm and #2 unsilences it. All I have to do is bring up the DIA and tap the correct space. :)Having been uninterested in the keyboards of myKbd, this is the first comment that makes me think replacing mySkin with myKbd might be worth considering. Interesting comment. Thanks for posting it.

[cyberdude]

Having been uninterested in the keyboards of myKbd, this is the first comment that makes me think replacing mySkin with myKbd might be worth considering. Interesting comment. Thanks for posting it.
depending on the keyboard you use/create you can have up to 10 macro keys. The keyboard I modified, Atomik Lucida Console by Palmin to my present Atomik Console Earthen, has 6 macro keys and I've already used them all!

[FerdFerd]

Do you think a person could add macro keys to the standard DIA screens?

[Church Punk]

to the skin? something it is possible with HPskinstudio... but im not sure if a whole macro is available...

[cyberdude]

Do you think a person could add macro keys to the standard DIA screens?
I'm not sure how this would be done, velo might know. But it is very easy with mykbd. :D

[FerdFerd]

to the skin? something it is possible with HPskinstudio... but im not sure if a whole macro is available...(I guess we are now officially completely off topic.) Roughly speaking, here's what I was thinking about. Graffiti in the two panes to the left, myKbd functions in the one to the right. Here is a mockup:

[cyberdude]

(I guess we are now officially completely off topic.) Roughly speaking, here's what I was thinking about. Graffiti in the two panes to the left, myKbd functions in the one to the right. Here is a mockup:
If you can create the DIA, I think mykbd/myskin could assign macros. Does myskin have the merge function that mykbd does? If so this may not bee to difficult. You could load a mykbd DIA, then merge parts of it using the custom merge. I did this with the keyboard I currently have and Velo's blackhide DIA. I call the merged file blackhide&console earthen. The rest of the DIA parts are from velo's skin except the keyboard itself.

The other option is to just edit the actual bitmap graphic file.

[FerdFerd]

Does myskin have the merge function that mykbd does?Yes, it does, and I've used it to combine elements of different DIAs. It works really well. I guess the fundamental issue is whether such a merged keyboard would allow a user to combine Graffiti with the functions of the myKbd keyboard in the same DIA.
The other option is to just edit the actual bitmap graphic file.That's presumably true, but likely not in my current range of abilities. :(

I did just download myKbd and will study the documentation.

[PinCushionQueen]

Yes, it does, and I've used it to combine elements of different DIAs. It works really well. I guess the fundamental issue is whether such a merged keyboard would allow a user to combine Graffiti with the functions of the myKbd keyboard in the same DIA.
That's presumably true, but likely not in my current range of abilities. :(

I did just download myKbd and will study the documentation.

And don't forget that even you want to use the "regular" DIAs instead of the keyboard that with myKbd you can assign macros to hard buttons as well as have the little macro bits in the keyboard. This is in addition to the press and hold home button giving you a favorites/recent list.

[bobbd]

(I guess we are now officially completely off topic.) Roughly speaking, here's what I was thinking about. Graffiti in the two panes to the left, myKbd functions in the one to the right. Here is a mockup:
Alex Pruss, any chance of this? I prefer the stylus to the keyboard and would love something like this.

Bob

[FerdFerd]

And don't forget that even you want to use the "regular" DIAs instead of the keyboard that with myKbd you can assign macros to hard buttons as well as have the little macro bits in the keyboard. This is in addition to the press and hold home button giving you a favorites/recent list.I do use the hard key macros in mySkin now. What intrigues me about this is the chance to add macros that can be accessed with a stylus tap. They would not have to compete for hard key use.

[filber]

Dmitry, I am noticing a bug with SkinUI 2.041. Everything seems to work fine except when actually utilizing the new "completely unload skinUI" feature. If I enable it for any app, then use the app, when I exit the app, skinUI fails to reinitialize correctly and does not skin everything (for example, form color). Using a dark skin, such as my Horizons skin really brings this out as the form color is black. After exiting an app where skinui was unloaded, the form color, even if I open SkinUI, becomes white and then going into SkinUI, if I tap the "Prefs" button, my TX crashes. Even if I don't go into SkinUI and tap "prefs", the TX will crash shortly thereafter with a "memorymgr.c, Line 4058: NULL handle" error.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Eungang/HorizonsDIA.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Eungang/HorizonsDIA0000.jpg

[dmitrygr]

hm, i'll look into this

[dmitrygr]

btw did you reset after install and still this?

[filber]

btw did you reset after install and still this?

Unfortunately, yes. I also tried deactivating all other background apps (FontSmoother, YAHM, Dimmer, etc).

[dmitrygr]

Allrighty, i addressed all the reported bugs here (well, at least all of them that i managed to duplicate). Also i was bored so i added a new command-bar skinning style. now it is much taller, shows selected icon bigger with text and a GOOD guess of what app it belongs to. AND it slides out from the bottom kinda like OSX dock if it is hidden. Anyways try this: http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/skinUI_2042.prc


tell me how it goes

[Church Punk]

OSX dock! :-O installing it right away!!!

EDIT: everything is ok, as usual :). The slide effect is visible only when you hav the DIA opened, but when you call the command bar (or command stroke) with something else it doesnt have this efect :o. Say I have command stroke set to a hard button long press (MySkin macro) and it appears just like that, without effect.

But you can appreciate this when doing the stroke in grafitti. Im not used to the high of the command bar, but its ok i guess.
thanks for the updates!

[dmitrygr]

i DID have it blur behind itself (vista-ish), not just be translucent, but i remembered that not everyone runs their CPU at 520 MHz so i removed that option for now.

[filber]

Allrighty, i addressed all the reported bugs here (well, at least all of them that i managed to duplicate). Also i was bored so i added a new command-bar skinning style. now it is much taller, shows selected icon bigger with text and a GOOD guess of what app it belongs to. AND it slides out from the bottom kinda like OSX dock if it is hidden. Anyways try this: http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/skinUI_2042.prc


tell me how it goes

The bug I mentioned several days ago is all fixed. Good job, Dmitry, and thanks!

[Pully]

And changing a contacts category in Agendus seems to be fixed as well, with no SkinUI effects disabled.

Thanks Dmitry

[RalphSchreiber]

And changing a contacts category in Agendus seems to be fixed as well, with no SkinUI effects disabled.

Thanks Dmitry

Unfortunately I cannot confirm this on my TX with AGPre 11.06 and SkinUI 2.0.4.2.

Ralph

[+Kardboard+]

Looks gorgeous with that new Command Bar skin; lovin' it!

[tosbsas]

Love the new command bar, but I got a problem with the new zztechtoy launch anywhere - when setting it to show on commandbar I get a blueish fat line on the side of the commandbar instead of an icon. When I disable the option its gone.

I tried disabling launchanywhere in skinui but that has no effect on this thing.

Could you look into it?

Ruben

[Afaebe]

Dmitry,
SkinUI ver. 2.0.4.2 enhances fontsmoother (FS) but FS does not affect skinUI. Is it a problem of the trial version or a bug? Must we need to use both skinUI and palm revolt as suggested in the forum, cant skinUI be made adequate as standalone?

Afaebe

[pruss]

Dmitry,
SkinUI ver. 2.0.4.2 enhances fontsmoother (FS) but FS does not affect skinUI. Is it a problem of the trial version or a bug? Must we need to use both skinUI and palm revolt as suggested in the forum, cant skinUI be made adequate as standalone?

Afaebe

FontSmoother is disabled in SkinUI due to potential compatibility problems.

[Afaebe]

Dmitrygr,
Could please you add SD support for running the skins from SD card? It will save treo's memory.
I don't have paypal facility; how can I pay for SkinUI and uncache?

Afaebe

[Church Punk]

i think you dont need a paypal account or whatever... if you have a credit card you can do the transaction with it using the paypal method. its what i did :)

[+Kardboard+]

I've noticed that skinUI changes the focus on pop-up boxes so that the "Cancel" buttons are now highlighted by default instead of the "OK" or "Done" buttons. Is there a way to change that back?

[dmitrygr]

Dmitrygr,
Could please you add SD support for running the skins from SD card? It will save treo's memory.
I don't have paypal facility; how can I pay for SkinUI and uncache?

Afaebe


you can move all unused skins to card, but the active one must be in ram. you may, however compress it. and it becomes ~200K which is not much

[dmitrygr]

I've noticed that skinUI changes the focus on pop-up boxes so that the "Cancel" buttons are now highlighted by default instead of the "OK" or "Done" buttons. Is there a way to change that back?

it focuses the DEFAULT button(each dialog has a default button). i thought this would be a nice feature.

[+Kardboard+]

OK, then the default button isn't too intuitive as they designed it? haha Maybe add an option to toggle this? At least in my experience, it seems to highlight exactly the opposite of what I want (i.e. "Cancel" instead of "Turn On WiFi"). :p

[tosbsas]

Dimitry - me again. Definitly Skinui will not let launchanywhere write its commandbar icon. Can you look into that.

Ruben

[preludejtstyle]

Im new to this skinning thing. Where can I find skins to load?

[dmitrygr]

Dimitry - me again. Definitly Skinui will not let launchanywhere write its commandbar icon. Can you look into that.

Ruben


read this: http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/palmos/PalmOSReference/Menu.html#996443

then explain how skinui can "NOT LET" an app add a button?

furtheremore all other apps i found that use the commandbar work, therefore either get the author to conform to the way it is supposed to be done, or get a better app, that does conform to guidelines.

[dmitrygr]

Im new to this skinning thing. Where can I find skins to load?

here:http://www.palmpowerups.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=7
or here: http://www.palmpowerups.com/moreSkins.php

[Afaebe]

Dmitrygr, I need skinUI and Uncache and have problem paying for them with paypal. I do have account with mobihand where I buy most of my applications. Can you work something out for me? I need these and other of your software badly. I'll appreciate

[preludejtstyle]

Thanks. I know that link has been posted a hundred times, so thanks for doing it without snapping at me. It was about 2am here when I posted. I should have searched better.

I really like these skins. They are neat.

[tosbsas]

read this: http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/palmos/PalmOSReference/Menu.html#996443

then explain how skinui can "NOT LET" an app add a button?

furtheremore all other apps i found that use the commandbar work, therefore either get the author to conform to the way it is supposed to be done, or get a better app, that does conform to guidelines.


I understand exactly what you are saying, but thats the typical no win situation. ZZtech says they don't have a problem, you say you don't- but I know you are right, but ...

Well will try them

Ruben

[dmitrygr]

I understand exactly what you are saying, but thats the typical no win situation. ZZtech says they don't have a problem, you say you don't- but I know you are right, but ...

Well will try them

Ruben


my point is: ALL (ALL) other apps work. theirs does not. how can they claim not their fault?

[dmitrygr]

Dmitrygr, I need skinUI and Uncache and have problem paying for them with paypal. I do have account with mobihand where I buy most of my applications. Can you work something out for me? I need these and other of your software badly. I'll appreciate


get in touch with me using email or some messenger service. My contact info is on my website. we'll figure out a way. :)

[tosbsas]

my point is: ALL (ALL) other apps work. theirs does not. how can they claim not their fault?

Good question (:-))

Ruben

[douglasjboehme]

All I can say is "WOW!". I had been using PalmRevolt for quite a while and stumbled upon SkinUI because PalmRevolt was causing resets after a hotsync. I'm glad I had the problem as SkinUI blows it away!

Well done!!!!!

[Pully]

Launchanywhere add icon to CommandBar setting works fine on my TX with SkinUI 2.0.4.2

[tosbsas]

Launchanywhere add icon to CommandBar setting works fine on my TX with SkinUI 2.0.4.2

what skin are you using?? And what else do you have there?? And this is on Zlauncher command bar?

Ruben

[Pully]

Skin is OSXTiger

I have attached a screenshot.