Compact Flash driver - file copy move, etc. share your experience

[greg elmassian]

i want to start threads on using the cf driver...
first thing i'm trying is moving files using the clie file manager... copied mp3's to the root of a 1 gig sandisk cf... then mounted it in masquerading mode, and tried moving the files from the root to the msaudio directory.. pretty slow.... will try again with fast mode....

anyone use a diferent file manager or compare to cliefiles?

greg

[Alistar]

I can't use mine at all. Whenever I try to mount it it says volume unrecognized would you like to format, and of course you can't. Damnit all.

[oneeyesquare]

My experience is clicking on the Fedex tracking link to see when my card arrives....

[greg elmassian]

alistar, are you using slow mount and slow speed, and masquerading? please give all your settings...

greg

[Alistar]

using slow mount, slow mode and read only it says volume not recognized do you want to format. I select yes it says this operaiton is not supported. (0x2901). If I select cancel it says volume mounted successfuly but it is not there it still says No card mounted on the cf slot. I can try various combinations of checking them and I get the same error. The only exception is when I try MS masquerade it says please unmount the cf card first and try again, but it is not mounted.
It is a 512MB sandisk cf straight out of the box. When it didn't work initially I formatted it in my cf reader and I still get the same errors.

[Dripps]

I had same result Alistar. I found out through trial and error that the card needs to be formated as FAT not FAT32. Then all worked. Format with the CF reader as can't format with Clie.

[greg elmassian]

i cant quite understand why you have it mounted in read only mode...

while i did not write the driver, i can tell you that formatting writes to the cf... i would imagine a properly written driver would refuse to format in read only mode !!!!

turn off the read only mode... do the masquerade... try to copy a file to it using cliefiles...

one step at a time...

greg

[Alistar]

I had formatted it as FAT with my card reader. If I right click on properties when in my card reader it says 977MB --edit-- sorry thats the 1GB one it works -- the 512 one says 497MB and file type as FAT.

[greg elmassian]

i thought your statement was that it does not work, and i made a suggestion on what to try... your response is to tell me you have 2 cards... i'll wait for your experiment on the one that does not work..

[thinking]

Weird deal with BackupMan. Now that I have mounted and unmounted my CF card, when I start BackupMan it ask if I want to install a copy on my MS (one is already there). Anyone else see this?

Frank

PS. I also have drop down in BackupMan with "ANY" and CF (name of my card) choices. Kinda strange huh?

[Alistar]

sorry let me clarify. I have the 512 from my camera. I borrowed the 1GB from my friend to test it I just got the 512 about 3 hours ago. The 1GB does work, but I can't keep it. All my problems listed are associated with my 512MB one.

[Alistar]

Originally posted by greg elmassian
i cant quite understand why you have it mounted in read only mode...

while i did not write the driver, i can tell you that formatting writes to the cf... i would imagine a properly written driver would refuse to format in read only mode !!!!

turn off the read only mode... do the masquerade... try to copy a file to it using cliefiles...

one step at a time...

greg

It doesn't mount at all. Everytime I try to I get the messages as posted earlier. I was just trying the read-only mode as a test. Selecting just the slow mode and slow mount gives the same errors. MS masquerade says to unmount the cf card first, but if I click unmount it says there is not CF card mounted to unmount. I have no access to the card whatsoever on the clie.

[thinking]

Originally posted by thinking
Weird deal with BackupMan. Now that I have mounted and unmounted my CF card, when I start BackupMan it ask if I want to install a copy on my MS (one is already there). Anyone else see this?

Frank

PS. I also have drop down in BackupMan with "ANY" and CF (name of my card) choices. Kinda strange huh?

I synced and BackupMan performed like it should. Just have the strange message that it "must be loaded on card to restore". No real problems.

[greg elmassian]

i'd try to format the cf in fat (16).... what is your os? in any case you should be able to reformat.... if you can't control it from windows, open a dos box, and use the format command, and force to fat16 (hint: type format /? to get the parameters)

i use backupbuddy vfs, and when i first used the 1 gig cf, it noticed that bbvfs was not on the cf also... that's what most 3rd party backup programs do... smart..

greg

[thinking]

[i]
i use backupbuddy vfs, and when i first used the 1 gig cf, it noticed that bbvfs was not on the cf also... that's what most 3rd party backup programs do... smart..

greg [/B]

The thing is I did not put BackupMan on Cf card but left it on my MS. Again, it seems to be no big deal. Everything works except for that message.

[greg elmassian]

yes, your backup went to the cf, right? so it wanted to make sure the restore program was on the cf also..


alistar: did you have any luck reformatting?

[Alistar]

no.
windows says it is FAT format. I can't do it from DOS keep getting "this program has caused an illegal error". Will try it tomorrow from my work computer.

[greg elmassian]

you computer sounds a trifle sick... what is the os?

[Alistar]

98 se. My work computer is XP so I will try there.

[greg elmassian]

sounds strange.... you open a dos window, then type format and the drive letter? nasty... sounds like your cf reader driver is not really up to snuff.... strange...

greg

[thinking]

Originally posted by greg elmassian
yes, your backup went to the cf, right? so it wanted to make sure the restore program was on the cf also..


alistar: did you have any luck reformatting?

Odd. The BackupMan folder on the CF is actually was empty, but is on the CF card. I ran the backup program again after choosing Cf and it copied the backup there. Pretty neat! Redundant backups!

[greg elmassian]

sounds like it's almost "fooled".... backupbuddyVFS went to the cf just fine... i use it because it can encrypt your backup....

[Sombrio]

My experiences, now that it works, are:

With a Lexar 128 CF card, moving, copying (especially from MS to CF) are just painfully slow. Soooo slow. And no, I'm not in slow mode. In masquerade mode, if I try to record a movie onto the CF card, my screen slowly fades out to white, then never comes back - bizarre. Movies and pictures display fine in this mode though.

With a Sandisk 64, things are a bit faster, but still pretty slow overall. I also tried going into masquerade mode, and playing a movie in the movie player, which worked fine. If I try to record a movie, once again, I get crash death with a fatal error.

Overall, it feels like the driver is still in beta.

It's definately fun to have use of the CF slot now, I just hope they keep developing it.

[timw_de]

i also found that copying files was slow, i wanted to keep mp3 files on CF for storage and copy them over to the MS when needed (in the early beta stages there was no MS masquerading)
i found that due to the excessive copy times it just wasn't workable
your problem with movie recording is a "known issue" :
1. Clie crashes when saving a movie in movie recorder when in MS Masquerading mode

[greg elmassian]

hmm... copy was slow first time, but had slow mode on... will try again in normal mode... timw, what program did you use to copy files, just cliefile?

[timw_de]

one thing i did find though , during the beta test is that different file managers have different copy speeds
here's an excerpt

copy times using Zlauncher internal file manager ;

File 1 : 34 secs
File 2 : 1 min 43 secs

copy times using SuperUtility file manager ;

File 1 : 57 secs
File 2 : 2 min 48 secs

copy times using ClieFiles v1.0 file manager ;

File 1 : 24 secs
File 2 : 1 min 3 secs


strange but true

[greg elmassian]

i believe you... superutility has been out for a while, and probably uses older code to move stuff... zlauncher sounds good, I should try it again... and cliefiles isn't too bad for a freebie!

is the cliefiles you are using the updated one?

[timw_de]

no i'm just sticking with the old version, in a futile effort to keep as much available RAM as possible :-)

[greg elmassian]

yeah, I hear you! I use Launcher X, and that in combination with Jackflash lets me have about 6 megs useable... I could use more...

Greg

[Bo_]

Anyone been able to use the Movie Capture to a CF card?

I try but it keep crashing once it start to save the file.

The Still photography works well, saving highrez images stright CF card while it is pretending to be a Memory Stick.


Bo

www.bophoto.com/clie

[dc-k]

I get a fatal exception every time I try to mount my 1 gig microdrive, any ideas?

[Alistar]

How did you get it to work with the still pictures. The clie camera always says there is no space on the memory stick when I try to use it with the CF masqueraded.

[dc-k]

Just tried an old 24 MB cf card and this also causes a fatal exception every time I try to mount... any thoughts or similar problems?

[jmg_NX21]

1) you have tried it with SLow mount?
2) Slow mode?

Otherwise, It happened to me during beta testing... YOUR Reg code COULD be wrong (when entered)

You did not get any error after entering it?

IF you did not click OK but clicked OUTSIDE of the alert window no error would be given.

If this continues, contact eruware with your hotsync ID, erware ID and your Reg code just to verify the information...

IN my experience it was not Eruware's error but my own... misread my Eruware ID...

[dc-k]

jmg_NX21
Thanks for you post, I have triple checked the data entry and guess what, you're right, I originally submitted my hotsync id in lower case rather than upper case.

I have submitted my embarrased confession to Eruware and await a new code...

[jmg_NX21]

Cool, glad to be of help ;)

Oh yeah it is CASe sensitive, in my case i oveerlooked a lowercase letter at the end of my eruware ID... it looked so out of place & not a part of it...

So I too had to confess :o

[karnac]

Does anyone know why I'm not able to move files from my memory stick to the CF card palm/programs/msaudio folder directly. I have to move mp3's to some other folder on the CF card and then move them again to the right folder which does work.

[jmg_NX21]

Are you using cliefiles???

I think THAT will not allow you too, tho not sure of the LATEST version. *Does not really recognize them as DISTINCT external memory volumes...

Have you tried filez? Or perhaps if you have zlauncher it's file manager?

Your best bet is to use ANOTHER file managing program...

[dc-k]

jmg_NX21

Latest update, I was sent a new code (very quickly) I can now use my old 24MB CF card but the microdrive still causes a fatal exception. I now get a full error report though, I hav passed this on to them and I am sure they'll sort it.

ps If your interested, I'll post the error message in full

[Karnac]

Thanks, JMG.........Yes, I'm using Clie Files. I'll try one of the others to see if I have the same issue. I've asked this question of Eruware also.

[Karnac]

I just got an answer from Eruware on moving mp3's directly from MS to specific CF folders:

FROM ERUWARE SUPPORT
"Yes, this is a bug in ClieFiles where it's not checking the volume ref number, just the path when copying/moving. There isn't anything we can do and we're not holding our breath for Sony to fix this :). For now, it's just a nuisance that we all have to live with if we want to use ClieFiles"

[Brownster]

I am using FileMan to move/copy between cards. It is multicard aware and works great!

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=21934

Jim

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by dc-k
jmg_NX21

Latest update, I was sent a new code (very quickly) I can now use my old 24MB CF card but the microdrive still causes a fatal exception. I now get a full error report though, I hav passed this on to them and I am sure they'll sort it.

ps If your interested, I'll post the error message in full

Please remember, a Microdrive draws 10 times the power, when writing.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by thinking


Odd. The BackupMan folder on the CF is actually was empty, but is on the CF card. I ran the backup program again after choosing Cf and it copied the backup there. Pretty neat! Redundant backups!

I have now a copy of BackUpMan on the CF and MS. I was not able to see the backups in McFile until after I did a backup and it went to the CF with no choosing of mine. I now can see the 3 backups I have on the MS in McFile though I do get the option to choose in BackUpMan I only get the choice of MS or MS. Both pointing to the CF and none to the MS.:confused:

[thinking]

Originally posted by Tixx


I have now a copy of BackUpMan on the CF and MS. I was not able to see the backups in McFile until after I did a backup and it went to the CF with no choosing of mine. I now can see the 3 backups I have on the MS in McFile though I do get the option to choose in BackUpMan I only get the choice of MS or MS. Both pointing to the CF and none to the MS.:confused:

Had you used the "trick" to fool your handheld into thinking your CF was your MS?

Frank

[Tixx]

Originally posted by thinking


Had you used the "trick" to fool your handheld into thinking your CF was your MS?

Frank

Yes, from that other thread is what I think you mean.:) Hmmm... then that would mean...I don't know what the hell it would mean. That docs to go might not be clicking with it so it rewrites it??? I don't know:confused:

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Tixx


Yes, from that other thread is what I think you mean.:) Hmmm... then that would mean...I don't know what the hell it would mean. That docs to go might not be clicking with it so it rewrites it??? I don't know:confused:

I "undid" the trick and now it gives me the choice of MS and CF. Now for the test to see if the scheduled backups will work tonight without freezing my device:)

[mbriody]

This is something I reported a while ago in the beta program but for me it is still broken.

This is *not* using masquerade.

With the CF and MS mounted, use ZLauncher's file manager to copy a *folder* from MS to CF. I get a message saying 'please wait' and it locks up, every time.

Copying a selection of files from the same directory seems to be ok.

This is with the latest ZLauncher on an NX70.

Mark

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by mbriody
This is something I reported a while ago in the beta program but for me it is still broken.

This is *not* using masquerade.

With the CF and MS mounted, use ZLauncher's file manager to copy a *folder* from MS to CF. I get a message saying 'please wait' and it locks up, every time.

Copying a selection of files from the same directory seems to be ok.

This is with the latest ZLauncher on an NX70.

Mark

Hi Mark!

Is it just with ZL or does it do it with all FM's?