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ragermac
04-22-2003, 12:36 PM
I mean come on......

Plus this driver just came out of beta, and they didnt even provide a trial for people to make sure it doesnt conflict with other programs etc.....

And lets just hope SONY doesnt shut down or do a lawsuit or something.

Ghosty
04-22-2003, 12:40 PM
nah... it is not much to pay for, unless you can write the driver yourself~~~~

if sony don't provide it, someone else do it, then if you are willing to buy it, I don't see the problem.

Blazefire
04-22-2003, 12:41 PM
I agree with the trial thing, a few days to test to see if its suitable for you is a good idea.

But, this was one man's work, and if he wants to be compensated for the amount of time and effort put into this program, its his choice and he deserves it.

ragermac
04-22-2003, 12:43 PM
$9.99 with subsequent upgrades at about 5 bucks. I could see that.
Hell, i can buy a 128 CF from ebay for 27.00.

MikeS16
04-22-2003, 12:45 PM
You are lucky it is not $50 or $100. Supply and demand - the demand has been generated and they are the only game in town.

Virtually limitless storage for your PDA - not worth $27? Are you kidding?

Spend $600-$800 on your pda, $300 - $500 on the storage card and you think $27 is too much?

If Sony provided this functionality these EruSoft would be coding something else. Right now they are filling a niche - their product patches a very big hole with regards to the CF slotted Clies.

I do not own this device but I feel the price is right for the driver. I am ready for a new Clie (I currently own a 760C) but I am hoping that Sony comes to thier senses and creates a HiRes+ non-clamshell form factor. If it comes with a CF slot I will purchase this driver.

ragermac
04-22-2003, 12:47 PM
yea right..

after this, dont count on SONY to put CF slot in ANY more PDAs.

Earthworm
04-22-2003, 12:53 PM
I think it would make a good candidate for the Open Source Foundation. Let other users improve upon it and repackage it to still make money, but leave the integrity of the original source code and give full credit to Amir Yasin...

n2ifp
04-22-2003, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by ragermac
I mean come on......

Plus this driver just came out of beta, and they didnt even provide a trial for people to make sure it doesnt conflict with other programs etc.....

And lets just hope SONY doesnt shut down or do a lawsuit or something.

If the driver had come from Sony, I would agree with you. Actually, I believe it was at least a team of three working 24/7 on the driver. Additionally there were other factors at work that led to the way things were done. So please don't be too harsh on EruWare, thanks :)!

 

timw_de
04-22-2003, 12:57 PM
i can't believe this, this is an amazing piece of software -
anyway you look at it , it will SAVE you money in the long run
considering the MSPro vs CF card prices

n2ifp
04-22-2003, 01:09 PM
JackFlash basically works the same way, there is no trial period, even for their beta.

hherbzilla
04-22-2003, 01:09 PM
If Sony had created it and was charging, that would be a different story. In this case, however, it's well worth the price IMO.

bright_day
04-22-2003, 01:12 PM
You get your money's worth the first 512mb CF card you buy! I'm happy to pay these guys for their hard work - and they aren't just stopping at CF memory cards but forging ahead with making other CF devices compatible. They're a dream come true. Kudos to Amir Yasin.
-Shell

dwarchbold
04-22-2003, 01:14 PM
EruWare did an amazing job with the resources they had. Had they offered their product for "free", I probably would have given them a $25-$30 dontation anyway.

I think that $27 for the driver and lifetime upgrades is quite a deal actually. Especially when you consider that Sony, in all likelyhood, will drop or cripple the compact flash port in all future PDA's.

jamester
04-22-2003, 01:17 PM
I have a T series, so I don't have a CF driver anyways, so you may choose to take what I say with a grain of salt. BUT, that caveat explained, I think that EruWare is well entitled to charge $27 for the driver. As explained, they've worked very hard to fill a gap that Sony left open. Instead of spending time on other programming, they wrote the driver.

I have great faith in the ClieSource community, but if writing this driver is an easy thing to do, I don't think it would have taken this long. :)

Kudos to EruWare for filling a need for the Clie community!

Shrink
04-22-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by ragermac
I mean come on......

Plus this driver just came out of beta, and they didnt even provide a trial for people to make sure it doesnt conflict with other programs etc.....

And lets just hope SONY doesnt shut down or do a lawsuit or something.
Jeeze, sometimes I think ClieSource is a magnet for cuckoo clocks llike ragermac.
Hey, don't buy it and just write your own.
alan:mad:

joldc
04-22-2003, 01:29 PM
Solution: don't buy it.

jconaway99
04-22-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by ragermac
$9.99 with subsequent upgrades at about 5 bucks. I could see that.
Hell, i can buy a 128 CF from ebay for 27.00.

But then you would just have a $27 paperweight with no way to use it with your Clie.;)

Alistar
04-22-2003, 02:21 PM
Do you know how hard it was to develop this driver. Sure once they made the breakthrough development went pretty fast or perhaps they are robots and required no sleep, but this is something people have been wanting and several people have tried ever since the NX came out.
Give the developers a break. I mean I usually pretty cheap, but I had no qualms about giving them $27 for it.

Willem-01
04-22-2003, 02:24 PM
I, like other here, would agree with you that this ability to fully use the CF slot built into the Sony NX/NZ's should have been free - free from SONY.

But SONY didn't provide the CF driver. So if you want to complain about having to pay for something you didn't get, then complain to SONY.

Don't complain to a great company who took it upon themselves to create, beta test, and sell for a SUPER LOW PRICE a CF driver that would allow you to use something that was already built into the device.

I personally have stated on several occasions, and will state here again, that I think $27 is a bargin!

I personally would have been more that happy to have paid $40 (or more) just to be able to use the CF slot to its full potential.

If you were to price the cost of a 256MB MS (now available for ~$140) versus a 256MB CF card (available everywhere for about $60), you're still saving roughly $80 (give or take $10). With this savings you can purchase the CF driver from Eruware and you'll still have enough money left over for a pizza and some beer (or Coke/Pepsi...whatever).

You'll recoup this SAVINGS reaptedly on every CF card you buy instead of buying an expensive MS stick!.

Just think, if this driver didn't exist, We'd all still be waiting on SONY to release their version of the CF driver, in the mean time we're buying those wonderful 256MB MS at $140 each. We'd be paying an extra $80 EACH card!

Heck, I'd rather pay $27 now, and SAVE $80 each time I bought a 256MB CF card. The bigger the card, the BIGGER the savings will be!

The last time I bought a car, it didn't come with a free tank of gas, or free insurance. How is the heck (gosh darnnit!) am I supposed to be able to get the FULL use out of this car if the car manufacture or the dealer doesn't provide me with these services? Are we being ripped off here??? I don't think so.

Just like others have stated as well - you don't have to buy this driver if you don't like paying for things you think SONY should have provided in the first place.

Write SONY and express your displeasure with them. Its their device, they should have (but didn't) provided a driver for it a long long time ago. While they didn't, I am truly happy that Amir and Eruware came along and filed that VOID! Everyone should be happy that they did. All Hail, Amir and Eruware! :D :D :D

n2ifp
04-22-2003, 02:38 PM
You can never make everyone happy...

dmale7
04-22-2003, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Willem-01
Write SONY and express your displeasure with them. Its their device, they should have (but didn't) provided a driver for it a long long time ago. While they didn't, I am truly happy that Amir and Eruware came along and filed that VOID! Everyone should be happy that they did. All Hail, Amir and Eruware! :D :D :D

 

I second that sentiment!  Ragermac your anger is misplaced!

cliener
04-22-2003, 02:40 PM
Gee, and I thought all the really good deals were gone. I take it Ragermac wasn't in on the beta for this driver. I wasn't either. Did anyone buy it that didn't like it? Could you post here?
Do they let you know what it can and can't do? Think so.
Do they let you know what cards to use? Think so.
Did you pay for a lot of hardware and can't afford the money for this driver?
The choices are there. Don't buy it, write your own, or stop talking about something that you have no idea about.
Maybe ayasin or eruware or whoever should up the price and stop with the "free maintenance" stuff. Well????:cool: :confused:

terry@sourceori
04-22-2003, 02:50 PM
Oh my God We've been dying for the driver since the release of the NX and your crying over $27 dollars. Get a job and put down the crack pipe. It's well worth the cost. I sure you pay more than that for your trial porn subcriptions. Give it a rest, just pay the man for his hard work.

gracyon
04-22-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Willem-01
If you were to price the cost of a 256MB MS (now available for ~$140) versus a 256MB CF card (available everywhere for about $60), you're still saving roughly $80 (give or take $10).

Hey all... first off, very reasonable price to pay. Second, keep checking TechBargains (http://www.techbargains.com) for CF prices. They have a 256mb for $29 after mir!

Thanks so much EruWare (anyone know how to pronounce this?) for providing this much needed driver.

Gracyon

Joel
04-22-2003, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by ragermac
I mean come on......

Plus this driver just came out of beta, and they didnt even provide a trial for people to make sure it doesnt conflict with other programs etc.....

...

ragermac, trust me, this beta driver has been tried and tested by a good sampling of beta testers. At one point, some of us (including myself) had to do HARD RESETs because of unforeseen problems.

$27 is just about $1/day if you save up for it in a month. Besides, I don't see myself using a free MSPRO update just to buy the hyper expensive MSPRO sticks. I mean come on... look at the price difference between the MSPRO and CF!

Peace bro. I know where you're coming from :D But the fact is Sony has really kept silent over the matter. They chose that path so more enterprising individuals saw the opportunity and the challenge to provide us end-users an alternative.

Mr P
04-22-2003, 04:03 PM
What $27.00 (£17.00) to much you must be kidding this is great value and I purchased straight away and dont even have a CF card (Been Ordered)

Thanks for a great bit of software at GREAT VALUE.


P.S Anyone know if Samsung cards work.

jledesma
04-22-2003, 04:09 PM
I just bought it, and to be honest the exchange rate between our beloved Mexican Peso and the almighty dollar isn't what you could call "fair". Anyway, I paid for it, have been using it the whole day (I'll probably will be kicked out of my job for slacker) and let me tell you this... IT'S WORTH EVERY DAMN "CENTAVO" ERUWARE IS CHARGING!!

knowledge
04-22-2003, 04:31 PM
No complaints about the driver or the price. I wish there was a trial. But overall, it is worth every penny. Great job Eruware!

archangel
04-22-2003, 04:37 PM
I'm happy its coming out, but I'm am worried that Sony may offer something like a OS 5.2 upgrade and it will stop the driver from working.

Of course it would be shocking for Sony to offer an OS upgrade so I probably have nothing to worry about. :)

omu
04-22-2003, 04:39 PM
there was a poll at this site and a lot of people did say they would pay 40-50 USD.

So basically they are keeping their feet on the ground with charging 27 USD!

babsk
04-23-2003, 01:02 AM
well, just purchased the thing, but the tgz file will not unzip whatsoever, so can't use the product right now! The zip file was e-mailed to me, but it's of no use! not a valid archive or unrecognized! I'll take the $27 back if it won't work! Otherwise, paying the $27 is okay.

MFK
04-23-2003, 01:30 AM
If you think the CF driver should be for free, develop one and offer it for free, but do not talk about OPM

L-3
04-23-2003, 01:38 AM
I bought mine! Thanks to Amir and his team! I was one of the first to chime in (waaaay back) when someone asked "How much would you pay....?" At the time, I said $40, so I was very happy to see the $27 price tag, and don't understand why anyone with an NX or NZ would balk at it. (Unless of course they've loaded up their $500+ Clie with a bunch of unregistered or hacked s/w and have no idea what software really costs...)

CosmicBlend
04-23-2003, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by ragermac
I mean come on......

Plus this driver just came out of beta, and they didnt even provide a trial for people to make sure it doesnt conflict with other programs etc.....

And lets just hope SONY doesnt shut down or do a lawsuit or something.

What do you think we did during the beta? We kicked the hell out of the drivers trying to find any way we could crash our clies trying to find bugs so that when it was fully released you the consumers wouldnt have to deal with headaches. Lots of different cards and MANY programs were tested with them and most all worked.

pharmnatr
04-23-2003, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by ragermac
I mean come on......

Plus this driver just came out of beta, and they didnt even provide a trial for people to make sure it doesnt conflict with other programs etc.....

And lets just hope SONY doesnt shut down or do a lawsuit or something.

Theres always a whiner in the bunch. Dont like it Dont get it, dont waste anyones time with ignorant posts

xlr8
04-23-2003, 08:02 AM
$27 for a driver would be damn good considering how much you would save buying higher storage cards.

$27 to get a single cheap storage (say 128mb) is completely unreasonable.

Guess it depends what side of the fence you are on

tifosiv122
04-23-2003, 08:05 AM
IMO we will see a driver/patch from Sony within the next month. I believe that they would rather give it away then allow another company to make money off of it. I think there was a program (when only the NR was out) that allowed the still camera to take movies...Sony's NX did that afterwards...hmmm

Erik

xlr8
04-23-2003, 08:09 AM
yeah, but they will release a new pda where the cf driver wont work :p

YTTAN
04-23-2003, 08:46 AM
Pls stop all this debate, Sony might get the idea to remove CF slot or give free access to CF in next Clie.

This will make the existing NZ/NX user more pathetic in this case.

xlr8
04-23-2003, 08:50 AM
Yeah, yttan is right, whats the point in arguing, u cant change it. Though if sony read this i think we would have a tablet hires+ device with +16mb ram by now

gambit_b
04-23-2003, 10:56 AM
even if sony does release a free driver it will only be because someone else released one first. i will be proud to say i was one of the ones that bought the driver and caused sony to do the right thing. it is worth $27 just to make sony wakeup and do the right thing. as if that will happen!!!!!!!!!!!

sstrasser86
04-23-2003, 11:10 AM
i don't think we in general make sony do things we want them to do didn't we do a Cf Petition and what did that get us from sony?

tifosiv122
04-23-2003, 11:13 AM
A petition to do something and a product that does it are two different things.

Erik

sstrasser86
04-23-2003, 11:14 AM
did i say anything about a product i am responding to what some of the ppl said if sony reads this

AlphaSwift
04-23-2003, 11:25 AM
Why are so many people responding to a troll?

sputnik
04-23-2003, 12:54 PM
That's what I am thinking, everyone else here seems to like the idea of the CF card driver. This guy is probably sitting back laughing his/her/it's head off at how much of a one sided debate has been caused.

jledesma
04-23-2003, 01:02 PM
This silly debate has one simple answer:

Too expensive, unfair, overpriced, whatever for you?

DON'T BUY IT!

End of story