Running a registered program on 2 clies?

[Trick]

Hi, I was wondering... if I purchase one program let's say Zlauncher or AcidImage, would I be able to register it for 2 clies? Would the one registration code work on both demo versions? I'm thinking it would, but I just need some confirmation. I don't want to support warez so I'm trying to find out as much info as possible about how online purchasing of programs works. Thank you, and input is appreciated!

[pigburger]

It might but it's the same as running 2 versions of windows on separate PC's with the same serial. You might be able to do it but technically, it's still illegal. If you want to be safe, contact the developer, chances are they will give you a discount for buying two separate copies.

[Alistar]

Palm software is bought on a device by device license or per user license (since the user and the handheld are usually the same person). There aren't really any concurrent licenses for palm devices because that usually implies an integral part that lies on a central source and some sort of tracking program to track that say only 3 people are using said software at a time even though it may be installed on several devices. Tracking such software would be quite difficult on a handheld. So the short answer is you would technically need two licenses to run it on two different machines at the same time. Although you could run it on one, uninstall and then run it on the other so long as it is not installed on two machines at the same time. Then you get to the point, if you are using both devices could you install it on both since the user is the same. If you use both and the software has per user license then you could install it on both devices. Technically if the software has a per device license you would need two licenses even if you were the sole user of both.

[CopyCat]

I hate running into this problem with online games, its a bish. Makes In-Home Lanning a bummer if you don't all have the game.

[Trick]

wow, pretty complicated to make sure you are doing it legally, but what i have gathered from what you guys are saying is that i can run it on 2 clies at the same time, it just is a question of whether it is legal or not right?

[Unregistered]

Every CLIE has its own unique hardware I.D. pre-installed, and if you want to sychonize your CLIE with your desktop computer, a hotsync name is required. So most developer generates a password from hardware I.D. and your hotsync name just to make sure their software is installed on only one CLIE at the time.

In general, it depends on how the developer implements their password system, so some may works on two CLIEs and some may not.

[jbarr]

It boils down to two points: ethical and technical.

Ethical: Typically speaking, the license agreements of most apps state that they are for use on one computer (PDA) at a time. Some developers have different policies, so check with the developer. By and large, you need to purchase a version for each Clie. Some developers are really cool about it either offiering you a free or discounted second license. Some are so grateful that you even care that they are more than willing to work with you. Some are not.

Technical: It all depends on how the security is implemented. Security can be as simple as having two versions of the app, one "locked" and the other "unlocked" (This really isn't "security" other than trusting your ethics in not passing around the unlocked version.) Some use the HotSync Name only (this is probably the best for the user because if you migrate to a new platform, you can migrate the app.) Some use a combination of the Device ID and the HotSync name (this is the worst in my opinion because you are at the mercy of the developer when you change platforms.) Some use proprietary schemes that vary greatly.

I think the point is that it depends on the app, and it depends on what your conscience says.

[wellsjs]

Trick,

If you developed software for a living, what would you desire of your customers? My impression is that most Palm OS software apps are reasonably priced, i.e. the developer is making a living and not a killing! :eek:

Look at what music "pirating" is doing to the music industry. Fans scream at the cost of concert tickets, but it is the by-product of loss in media sales from copyright violations! Practice the Golden Rule! ;)

[Shrink]

Originally posted by wellsjs
Look at what music "pirating" is doing to the music industry. Fans scream at the cost of concert tickets, but it is the by-product of loss in media sales from copyright violations! Practice the Golden Rule! ;) [/B]
Well said wellsjs. Thanks
alan;)

[mikra]

My personal experiences:
Most software uses the Hotsync Name for Identification and for generating the registration code.
Some use the Device ID or calculate a unique "Device Code" on each device. I have changed my palm PDAs through the years, and almost all developers mailed me a new code for my new device, when i contacted them.

To get back to the title of the thread:
It may be possible to use software on multiple devices that have the same hotsyn-id, but is not intended by the developers and ethical not correct, if not already illegal (read licence agreements).

Michael

[slinger]

Originally posted by wellsjs
Look at what music "pirating" is doing to the music industry. Fans scream at the cost of concert tickets, but it is the by-product of loss in media sales from copyright violations! Practice the Golden Rule! ;)
I don't mean to start a forum war, and I'm not condoning piracy, but I think if you do a little research you'll find that the loss associated with music "pirating" has been vastly overstated by the RIAA. Piracy has been used by the RIAA as the point of blame for many evils, including high concert ticket prices, ridiculously overpriced CD's, profit reduction for the artists, etc... In the end, there is one thing at the center of all these problems: corporate greed.

-Robert Hildinger

[yorrick]

I suggest that further comparisons between music piracy and software piracy won't be of use. The reason why is that music hasn't got a registration code or user ID. The contract and copyright is agreed to when the retailer sells you the music.

The other thing to avoid is RIAA bashing and whether music piracy has damaged or assisted the industry. This is a CLIE forum (or better still - have an off topic...)

If you read the software agreement on most sites - they ask for a user ID, but the agreement states that it is one registration code PER PDA - just like windows OS license.

To bypass the technical issues isn't difficult. It's bypassing your ethical esteem...

[wellsjs]

No war started! :) Not withstanding the issue of whether musicians make more than they should anyway, they are definately feeling the crunch of music pirating and it is impacting the style of living to which they've become accustomed! :eek: I heard the statement about skyrocketing concert ticket prices during an interview with a well know and long-time lead singer of a band, not from RIAA.

No doubt greed runs the full gamut of the music industry, from artist to recording company CEO, but there is also no doubt that music "pirating" is changing the way money is made and divvied up from music and concert sales. ;)

[Trick]

Thanks, you have all been a great help. Any personal experiences are still greatly appreciated

[Burdie]

Trick et al:

Here is an answer I got when I e-mailed Laridian, makers of MyBible, about running the program on two Clies: "If you are the sole user of both handhelds then only one copy of the software is required. If someone else will be using one of the handhelds then you need to purchase a second copy of the products."

This is similar to the answer I got from WordPerfect a couple of years ago. They told me it was OK to load WP on two computers provided I owned them (I did) and would not be running the program on both PCs at the same time.

Just my 10 cents. Thanks for raising the question.

Burdie