Two versions T3 bodies?

[Clocker]

http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/490/cimg7205xkc1.jpg


I've got two T3's here, one made in 2003 and the other in 2004. Their bodies are nearly identical save for that "crease" in the back panel near the voice memo button.

Any other hardware changes? Do screws still fall off in the 2004 model? :D

[+Kardboard+]

Which one is which?

[BuRnN]

same things here the one without the crease have a sony screen and the one with it have a sharp screen
but i dont not witch one is the oldest because i buy it used :D

and like the picture something i notice is one have a serial with a code bar and the others dont same things here one with and one without

[owl]

Cool, never noticed that before....
It really must have something to do with the display, my Sony-T3 has the crease while my Sharp-T3 doesn't have it.

[Romeol]

A thing I found on my E2376 is that the voice memo button is more recessed, making it hard to accidentally press. :)

[dmitrygr]

no crease and yes sony screen here

[Clocker]

Other things I've noticed:

With crease:
-tight slider
-Sony screen
-Sanyo battery
-buttons have soft feel
-different speaker
-samsung RAM

Without crease:
-loose slider
-Sharp screen
-Samsung battery
-buttons are more clicky
-different speaker
-infineon RAM

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9494/cimg7194mediumlx4.jpg
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/84/cimg7151mediumsn9.jpg

[BuRnN]

i dont no if it me but the batt i had on my dead T3 (SHARP SCREEN) Samsung battery was less discharge easly or is just me

how to unglue the batt from the the case ?

[dmitrygr]

how to unglue the batt from the the case ?

slowly....


very slowly.....



pull it up. if at all possible avoid deforming it

[Romeol]

I take a flathead screwdriver and pry it off. It scratches the inside a bit, but since the battery's going to be there anyways, who cares?

[dmitrygr]

I take a flathead screwdriver and pry it off. It scratches the inside a bit, but since the battery's going to be there anyways, who cares?


last time i did this, i had one battery less, a room full of smoke and a large melted spot on the carpet. do NOT use metallic sharp objects (screwdriver is sharp enough)

[BuRnN]

thank can i use air drier to make the glue less sticky ?

[Romeol]

Hahaha. Dmitry. . . I thought you didn't kill PDAs? Doing batteries is awfully close!

[Clocker]

I just jam in one of those clear plastic rulers and pry the battery off. Then transplant a cellphone li-ion cell. Viola, good as new...

[dmitrygr]

thank can i use air drier to make the glue less sticky ?


no glue there, just double-sided sticky tape. just pull slowly. very slowly. if this is the first time you get this battery out, take then full 10 minutes to slowly pull it off

[BuRnN]

ok thank i try this when i will have 15 minutes :D

[Clocker]

Another difference, the voltage step offset.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6317/cimg7224mediumph6.jpg

[BuRnN]

wich one is the minus

[Clocker]

creased is -2 and benefits greatly from fullpower

[Tam Hanna]

Mine shows 6 there...hmm....

It was one of the very last T3s to be produced by Palm, with the new Version 2 Flip lid, the red marketing sticker and a Sharp screen

[BuRnN]

Mine shows 6 there...hmm....

It was one of the very last T3s to be produced by Palm, with the new Version 2 Flip lid, the red marketing sticker and a Sharp screen

mine show 6 eithers

and dont anderstand the version 2 flip lid, the red marketing stikers ??

can you explanne a little bit i non comprend :D

[Tam Hanna]

Ca cest tres simple. Je recus un T3 dans un campagne special du palm(une echange avance) parce que qc chez Palm a pressez le histoire.

La machine qui je recu a des propritees speciales:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com/2005/07/story-of-palm-advance-exchanging-t3.html

Aussi, le couvercle du cet Palm est different que la couvercle regulaire qui as un problem constructiv:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com/2005/03/t3-fliplid-falls-apart-looks-as-if.html

P.s. Just made my french teacher weap =).

[BuRnN]

ok now it meen something for me and your french is really good :D i should read more often your blog that ways i will now what your were talking about :D

[Tam Hanna]

Hi,
it was a pleasure and thanks for the praise!

I'll forward it!

As for TamsPalm, enjoy!

[Clocker]

i dont no if it me but the batt i had on my dead T3 (SHARP SCREEN) Samsung battery was less discharge easly or is just me

how to unglue the batt from the the case ?



Yeah I noticed that too the samsung batteries seem to perform better. I've even got a 2002 T|T with samsung batt, life is still pretty good...

Anyway here's a good way to remove batt. Remove stylus clip first then:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/676/cimg7211mediumri2.jpg

[tosbsas]

How did you do that??? I had to disarm my whole device

Ruben

[BuRnN]

Yeah I noticed that too the samsung batteries seem to perform better. I've even got a 2002 T|T with samsung batt, life is still pretty good...

Anyway here's a good way to remove batt. Remove stylus clip first then:




thanks for the tips

[Romeol]

I believe the Samsung are 900mAh instead of the original 850?

[BuRnN]

unfortunetly the batt seem to be dead along with my T3 ( the old one) if someone have a trick to test is from out of the palm it will be appreciated, and while i was playing around in those Crack open T3 i notice another difference between the two version of case

Crease T3 Case :

Sharp screen
Samsung Batt (900Mhz)
Speaker(diaframe is cover with a 7 hole metal cover)
The quality of the bottom 2 screws is mutch better (the one under the slider)

No crease T3 Case :

sony screen
sanyo Batt (850Mhz)
Speakers is cover with a small sheet of transparent material with a oval shape hole on the upper part

the srews look cheap (textured white metal)

[Romeol]

If batt is dead, charge it for a night and see if it works. I thought one of my Zire batts had died, but after 3 hours, it started up while I was playing GT4.

[BuRnN]

yes but the big questionning is that when i put the defect batt in the palm and on the craddle the light go on but no beep indicating is charging

so im kind of afraid to bust my Good T3 over a bad battery ?

[Tam Hanna]

Hi,
reminds me of a problem I had with NiMH bateries a long time ago. If the batteries are really deep discharged(aka ****ed), some charger IC's wont detect them anymore. The solution is simple: manually 'precharge' the cell.

This works like this:
1)Get lab supply
2)Set it to batterys voltage level
3)ENABLE CURRENT LIMITER to (capacity/10)*h
Attach plus of bench supply to plus of battery
Attach minus to minus
Let sit for some time

That always worked well for me so far, altough the other electronics guys definitely can help out more =)

[dmitrygr]

Hi,
reminds me of a problem I had with NiMH bateries a long time ago. If the batteries are really deep discharged(aka ****ed), some charger IC's wont detect them anymore. The solution is simple: manually 'precharge' the cell.

This works like this:
1)Get lab supply
2)Set it to batterys voltage level
3)ENABLE CURRENT LIMITER to (capacity/10)*h
Attach plus of bench supply to plus of battery
Attach minus to minus
Let sit for some time

That always worked well for me so far, altough the other electronics guys definitely can help out more =)


if lithium cell is below 2.7 volts charging it is bad. below that voltage lithium crisstallizes inside, and shorts it. so charging it will cause an explosion. so if your lithium cell is below 2.7 volts, do not do this. say "goodbye" to it and get a new one

[BuRnN]

thanks all for the good tips but i forgot to do a critical step to revive it is to reset in cradle ! when i press reset the palm screen light up instandly and i leave it there till 00h00 i hope this one will keep the charge because my original one was very easy to discharge (exemple. after a full charges is i check my calender the batt drop to 80% i play mp3 for 15 minute it 50% but after 50% its seem like the batt discharge more slowly )

[Clocker]

if lithium cell is below 2.7 volts charging it is bad. below that voltage lithium crisstallizes inside, and shorts it. so charging it will cause an explosion. so if your lithium cell is below 2.7 volts, do not do this. say "goodbye" to it and get a new one


Not really. Decent li-ion chargers have a pre-conditioning phase that slowly brings it above 3.0 before commencing fast charge

[dmitrygr]

if there already are crystals there nothing will fix it. at least all sources i found say so.

[owl]

if there already are crystals there nothing will fix it. at least all sources i found say so.
Right. When they're dead, nothing can bring them back...
But there might one trick left that saved me one time:
When I bought a brand new Qualcomm pdQ some months ago the Li-Ion-battery was dead (7 years without a charge), even the charger didn't recognize it. Since replacements are not available any more I was really pi***d :(
Someone in a germany palm-forum had this tip for me:
Put the battery in the freezer and let it freeze for a couple of hours. Then, take it out and put it in the charger (still "frozen"). If you're lucky, this will work and you battery will hold a charge. Worked for me, no explosion, no collateral damage :-) YMMV, so be careful.