NX70 apps for the NR-series...

[mjpd1]

Well, there WAS about a 8-page thread about how to get NX apps on the NR, but that thread is now gone...so I thought I would start it AGAIN, seeing as how popular it was the last time.

That being said, is there any way to get ClieMail 2.0 and Netfront for the NR? I have CLieMail 1.x, but apparently 2.0 is hires+ and handles pop accounts better. I just can't find it anywhere! Help would be appreciated...

[legs_ski]

Great idea,

the apps are on the yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PEG-NR70/

I know that the todo list works with the hires+, I do not know about the address or memo

[grifter]

Te NX versions of the Address Book, Calendar, Memo Pad and To Do applications all support hi-res+.

[Unregistered]

So, these new NX70 apps can be installed on NR series without problems??

[mjpd1]

Some of them can, but not all of them. I'm currently running the NX versions of ToDo, Memo, Address, and Calendar. I think the ONLY difference is that they take advantage of the full-screen mode (ie. you can collapse the graffitti area). This is especially nice with the Address Book and reading long Memos. ClieMemo also works nicely, and is a great program for jotting down notes. Other programs, like ClieMail2.0 and ClieAlbum do NOT work on the NR (at least I haven't gotten them to work).

So if you haven't already, I suggest following that link above, and downloading ToDo, Address, Memo, Calendar, and ClieMemo, as they all work on NR's and are better than what we currently have, IMHO!

[Medcat99]

Yes, you are correct. I loaded the apps at Yahoo a few months ago and they work well. You can get the special version of jacksprat to get rid of the old programs completely and replace with the new apps to save space. I like the note program, but it takes up more space than BugMe. Seems a little more stable though.

[meehnclie]

Is Jacksprat the only thing I can use to remove the old applications? Is it free?

Do I delete the old Application before I install the new one, or afterwards? And I only delete the application not the database file right so I don't lose any of the old info?

[Telhai]

Terrific thread - thanks; my NR70 looks even sexier now :)

[Unregistered]

Thanks for the info!

This is very exciting!

[pigburger]

Originally posted by meehnclie
Is Jacksprat the only thing I can use to remove the old applications? Is it free?

Do I delete the old Application before I install the new one, or afterwards? And I only delete the application not the database file right so I don't lose any of the old info?

Yes, I'm pretty sure it's the only one and no it is not free. Your best bet is to get the jacksprat/jackflash bundle from www.brayder.com, they become infinitely more useful when paired together.

Here is a brief tutorial I wrote for someone who wanted to do the switch, it really isn't too hard as long as you have the right apps.


Not a problem, all you need are the appropriate apps and we can go from there. Load up the NX apps like they were any other app. Then you use the jacksprat no stub to delete the original apps out of rom. Do it one at a time just to be on the safe side, it will require a lot of resetting but it's better not to take the risk. Once all the apps are deleted (address, datebook, memo, and to do) all the related databases are deleted as well, they can be restored on your next hotsync. Fire up jackflash to move the 4.5 apps over to rom, it's really not too hard. The key is too have the right version of jacksprat, if you have jacksprat no stub you are all set, if not it will leave a "stub" file behind that will literally give you nightmares. It took me about 18 hours to fix. If you email the developer they will send you that version of the program.

[mjpd1]

I'm sure removing the original apps is safe and all, but it looked too time consuming and I honestly didn't wanna take the risk. If you're REALLY hurting for space, then go ahead and try it. What I did was just place all the icons on a single Tab in LauncherX, and then HIDE that Tab...no more icons for launching the original apps!

[Medcat99]

Be VERY careful when removing apps. Specifically, email Brayder and ask them for the version without the stubs left behind or you will be in bad shape. We're talking real bad juju if you screw this up. But, it is possible and those who do it right will be rewarded with more space and fullscreen apps.

[Gotcha]

Once more, I will publish what somebody wrote on the 18-pages post (RIP) a few weeks ago. I just happened to save it to a text file just in case...here it goes:

"
1) load the new NX application(s) into RAM (as has been
documented on this thread - can be done with hotsync or by copying it over from memory stick using FileZ),
2) Time to remove the old application from ROM. This is done,
one-at-a-time by opening JackSprat, getting to the application list, tapping on the black triangle next to where it says
"OS" then tapping on delete.
With the new version of JackSprat, this process will completely remove the application from ROM. As I'd mentioned before,
the older version of Jack Sprat will leave a Stub in ROM. If you tried this already with the older version, you will have
to remove the stub. Look for an entry says "xxxx Stub" (where xxxx is the name of the already removed application) and it
will say "OLD" next to the little triangle. You'll have to tap on the triangle and select "new" to delete the stub.
Whichever of these actions you take, JackSprat will reset the Clie after the deletion takes place.
3) after the reset DO NOT DO ANY HOTSYNCING UNTIL YOU GET TO
STEP 5.
4) After Jack Sprat resets then go to JackFlash select the NX
application that is already in RAM (from step 1) that is replacing the one you just deleted. Change it from RAM to FLASH
and tap on UPDATE.
5) That's it, you've replaced one of your four built-in
applications with the new version.
6) repeat the above for the remaining applications you want to replace.

OK a couple of things more:

A) The new NX applications always launch with the virtual
graffiti area displayed. You have to tap on the arrow in the status bar to get the full screen.
B) The address application will no longer be able to display
photos. If you use this feature, you probably won't want to go with the new application (in RAM or Flash)
C) I can't emphasize enough the need to make sure you have your data files backed up (just in case). Backup Buddy saved my
bacon several times while I was experimenting with this.
"

Good luck and BACK UP before doing anything!

[Unregistered]

Do we really needed to remove the old apps or is this just for space in the RAM issues

[Spiral]

You don't have to remove the old apps, one thing that doesn't work about one of the four basic PIM apps is that address book can not load pictures, this is because the NX uses Clie VIewer to select pictures, and the NR only has Picturegear Pocket, and clie viewer doesn't work.

[rob_squared]

Interesting, I can't even get the NX apps running, or even successfully copied to the ram. I tried hotsyncing and copying to the MS then running. I got cliememo to work though. But that might be because there's no older version (since there is none) on my clie.

[leo_clie]

Are we talking about the latest version 2.0b12???

I removed once the Memo and the Addresses with b9 (!) and then when trying to start the new Memopad via Launcher the message appeared 'Memopad was deleted from Jacksprat'. Was this due to the b9-Version???

And the real awfull expierence I made was to restore the ROM, which means that EVERYTHING in the RAM AND the ROM was deleted. I.e. all apps stored in ROM were gone. And that was some hard way to restore them :rolleyes:

[leo_clie]

Sorry, forgotten to mention I meant Jacksprat version 2.0b9 resp. 2.0b12

[Unregistered]

its version 2.0 b12 when you look in the "about" menu in jacksprat, but make sure you ask brad at brayder tec specifically for the no-stub version. He will send you a file called "jacksprat-nostub.prc".
What i'm trying to say is that there are two version 2.0b12 around, one is normal and one nostub. Make sure you get the nostub version and deleting the NR app's to change them with NX one's will be a breeze (i've only tried To-Do and Memo, since I use Supernames and Datebk5 as replacements for Adress and Datebook). I also installed Cliememo which is very nice.

[Unregistered]

Is there any other site that I can download the hires+ NX apps for NR (i.e. todo, datebook, etc. from? The above link does not work for me.

[NR...NR]

Stupid as this is, would someone PLEASE upload those NX apps into the ClieSource server, It is impossible for me to download from the other link.

[mjpd1]

Originally posted by NR...NR
Stupid as this is, would someone PLEASE upload those NX apps into the ClieSource server, It is impossible for me to download from the other link.

Just to make sure you know, you need to sign up as a member of that group in order to gain access to the files to download them. If you know this, then good. Just wanted to double check and make sure that's not why you're having a problem downloading them...

[BrunoBrooks]

I've put up a copy of the NX ToDo, Memo & Address prc files on the web page below. for those who can't get them from the yahoo groups.

http://www.chandos.net/site/index.htm

[kcallen]

The ADDRESS book will not work no matter what I do. When I install the NX address book and try running it, it appears to be a low res. application???? The memo pad, date book and todo all work fine (I have HI RES SUPPORT) but the address book will not worK???? HELP

[wid4008]

How I wish I can get the NX launcher to work in my NR70V....

Anyone managed to do that?

[pigburger]

the launcher won't work, it's written for ARM as far as I know. Honestly you're better off with Yishow or Zlauncher, I have yet to hear a rave review about the Sony launcher.

[rldunn]

pigburger is right. I wish I could take that launcher and throw it away. First thing I do after a hard reset is immediately switch to the normal launcher view. It's pretty, but not functional at all!!

[leo_clie]

What do the other mean to the following:

Leave with Jacksprat Memopad and Language Pack unchanged.
Install the NX-Memopad on your NR.
You should have two Memopads IF you have German-language.

Here I would be interested what the US-NRs. Do they have also two different Memopads?

Next step:
Flash it Jackflash 2.7 in your ROM
Leave Jackflash, try if Memopad still running.
Delete Memopad with Jackflash from ROM.
[Note: It can ONLY delete the NX-Memopad]

Launch the default NR-Launcher. Start Memopad. AND what would you expect to see:

NX-Memopad!!!! :p

Launch Memopad with LauncherX => NR-Memopad. :confused:

I assume LauchnerX takes my German-Version and therefore takes the NR-Memopad. Does anybody experience with different launcher similar effect?

But anybody an idea, why the NX-Memopad is launched although it is deleted with Jackflash? Or should I better say, it's not any longer tracable?

What I didn't check is, if the Memory-size will also drop with deleting the NX-Memopad via Jackflash resp. what will happen after a hard reset.

[leerm8680]

I had a problem very similar to the problem kcallen listed above. My problem was I had the high resolution assist turned on for my launcher (YiShow). Had to make sure to turn on the assist, but select YiShow to exempt it from being assisted.

[pigburger]

Try disabling Hi-res assist under preferences and using switchdash. It does the same thing as Hi-res assist, only a lot better with next to no weird conflicts that I have found. Switchdash is hard to find but you can download it here:

http://www.launchplug.com/SwitchDash.html

[rob_squared]

I have no idea what I"m doing wrong. I tried to hotsync the memo pad program, no luck. I tried msimport and ran it off the stick, no luck. I tried changing the name, no luck. I tried changing the creator and type, no luck. I don't want to remove the origonal files. What am I doing wrong??

[pigburger]

Are you using a launcher? Try using the built in launcher....

[rob_squared]

Hmm, good idea. :)

[rob_squared]

Nope, no luck.

See, whenever I run it (some times I can actually do that) it always shows up with the low-res VG. Hence it is even more limited than the one that comes with the NR70.

[pigburger]

are you using hi-res assist or switchdash?

[Medcat99]

Check your system settings and see if high res assist is on or off. Also, check the memopad to see if you have fullscreen capability. If you do, then the program is installed and trying to hotsync it again will not be possible.

[rob_squared]

Hi-Res is off, I don't use switchdash, but what other ways are there to detect if fullscreen mode is possible, besides seeing if the arror at the bottom is/isn't greyed out?

PS: I'm going to try to download the NX memo-pad app again.

[rob_squared]

I tried another source, same result.

I appreciate the help guyes, but it looks like there's either something wrong with my Clie or the only way I'll get this to work is to delete the origonal app.

[pigburger]

Deleting the original app isn't as hard as it sounds, just make sure you do a flash backup before you go crazy....

[Medcat99]

Don't you need to check the box that says "high resolution assist on"? Try it and then retry the program before you delete it. I bet it's already on and that's why it's not syncing over.

[marteinson]

I might be wrong, but when I install, I usually do this:

1. Run MSImport
2. Run Windows Explorer on PC
3. Copy any prc files I want to install over to the mem stick
4. Run MSGate
5. Finc files copied on mem stick, (MOVE) them to internal
6. They work

[rob_squared]

Not even that works. Guess I'll just have to live without them. I don't want to pay for the software needed to edit the rom.

[pigburger]

It's nice to have but it's not the end of the world. If you want a more powerful datebook any number of the third party apps have a fun more functionality than the built-in ones. I like the NX ones because I don't need anything that overwhelming but I like having hi-res+ to view my address book and memos.

[NR70V-o-holic]

Has anyone yet extracted the german NX-Apps, or know
where i can download these?

Noh

[rob_squared]

Oh, I almost forgot to thank everyone for trying to help me.

So thanks.

[RJH MUSIC]

Ok!! I have installed the NX Address, Date Book, ToDo List and Memo into the NR70. All work great. I then pressed the hard buttons for each to see the difference in the two since I did not delete the NR apps. from ROM yet. To my surprise, the buttons already automatically bring up the NX apps. Is this normal? I thought I had to remove the NR apps and place the NX apps into rom before the buttons would work?? What about the database information stored in each??

Lastly, when I donwloaded the applications from the Yahoo link, a buttload of other applications were also listed there. What are some of these applications, and will they also work with the NR70??

Thanks:rolleyes:

[NX70BOY]

Are you saying that you have an NR70 and you can use the NX Adress, Date Book etc.? If so could you tell me where to get them?

[RJH MUSIC]

YEs ! I am sorry, I posted this thread as a new thread instead of as a rely to the original thread. In a previous posting, look for the titel NX Apps on NR - And you will see a whole page on how to safely remove the NR built in aps from ROM and load the NX apps. The only real difference is that you can take advantage of the full screen mode for the applications. I got the NX applications from a Yahoo users group page that is listed in the other thread. I understand that some will work and others will not. You can safely use the NX applications for Address_Book, Date_Book, MEMO and TODO_List.

RJ:D

[RJH MUSIC]

Ok!! I have installed the NX Address, Date Book, ToDo List and Memo into the NR70. All work great. I then pressed the hard buttons for each to see the difference in the two since I did not delete the NR apps. from ROM yet. To my surprise, the buttons already automatically bring up the NX apps. Is this normal? I thought I had to remove the NR apps and place the NX apps into rom before the buttons would work?? What about the database information stored in each??

Lastly, when I donwloaded the applications from the Yahoo link, a buttload of other applications were also listed there. What are some of these applications, and will they also work with the NR70??

Thanks

OH! and THANK YOU for the instructions. Like someone said, NR70 looks even sexier now! Don't repeat that to my wife, she gets upset because I play with the thing in bed at night!! :D

[pigburger]

The hard buttons always load up the newer version, I don't know why, they just do, wish I could explain it. I wouldn't bother loading the other programs, unless you like getting fatal exceptions. Other then the hard apps, the only ones I know that work are Clie memo and RMC, the definitions are the same for RMC so there isn't really any reason to upgrade that. All other apps will not run.

[RJH MUSIC]

Thank You; WHat does RMC mean??

RJ;)

[pigburger]

Sorry, remote commander, it's the AV remote software that comes with your NR. There is a slightly newer version with the NX but I can't for the life of me figure out the difference.

[lyakhovv]

My Clie getting warm-reset every time I click on the Address Book
after I tried to load NX address_book from the Yahoo sony-PEG-NR70 group.

I still have a problem even after I deleted new NX Address_Book.prc.

Does anybody experienced this problem and knows how to fix it?

Thanks
--Vadim
p.s. I did not have any problem with NX MemoPlus and ToDo list.

[tobyy2]

I bought this program from handango 3 days ago. I've emailed their support 3 times, with no response. Their web site does let me download the beta version, so I know their database has been updated to include my registration information. However, I can not seem to ge them to send me the nostub version, nobody responds!

Can someone send me the nostub version? I did purchase the product, but need the nostub version to replace the ones in rom! I did get them to run rom RAM just fine, but that's not my goal.

Thanks!

Toby

[Tedlick]

I also bought the jackflash/sprat bundle, and promptly emailed support asking for the nostub version-- with no reply yet (been only 2 days though).

I recommend just being a little patient with them-- since the software purchase is handled through Handango, I suspect there's lag time before Brader support is able to verify you're a registered user now.

At any rate, you SHOULD be able to use the NX apps on your NR without deleting the original apps from ROM. It took me some trial-and-error (using NRButtons, not pagedownhack), but once I set NRButtons to "emulate hard buttons", it launced the NX versions of the apps just fine.

The nostub jacksprat stuff is mostly to free up ~500k of space in your system RAM by moving the NX apps to flash (note-- DON'T try to move the nx apps to flash until you've deleted the NR apps using that nostub jacksprat app!!-- fatal errors galore). The NX apps seem to run fine from RAM, even with the NR apps still in ROM.

NOTE- I'm not using any third party datebook, address, or todo apps, only the default NR/NX apps.

Originally posted by tobyy2
I bought this program from handango 3 days ago. I've emailed their support 3 times, with no response. Their web site does let me download the beta version, so I know their database has been updated to include my registration information. However, I can not seem to ge them to send me the nostub version, nobody responds!

Can someone send me the nostub version? I did purchase the product, but need the nostub version to replace the ones in rom! I did get them to run rom RAM just fine, but that's not my goal.

Thanks!

Toby

[tobyy2]

Yes, I can use them from RAM just fine also. The problem is, I bought this software for this specific reason. While they work fine from RAM, I didn't pay $26 to run them from RAM. Hopefully they will email them soon.

[Silverback]

I went to the Brayder web site and used their support feedback system to request the nostub version and they sent it to me in an email the same day.

Try using their feedback system for your request.

This is what I sent them:

"I just purchased the bundle package via Handango and would like to get the Beta version of Jacksprat and/or the version that does not leave a stub in rom after deletion."

Hope this helps. :)

[ssulux]

I just want to know whether the rmc for the nx is the hires+ mode since the nr's is not.

thanks guys

[pigburger]

nope, the only difference I can find is it peeps when you press a key, that's about it.

[tobyy2]

Originally posted by Silverback
I went to the Brayder web site and used their support feedback system to request the nostub version and they sent it to me in an email the same day.

Try using their feedback system for your request.

This is what I sent them:

"I just purchased the bundle package via Handango and would like to get the Beta version of Jacksprat and/or the version that does not leave a stub in rom after deletion."

Hope this helps. :)

I tried that also. Still no response.

When did they send it to you? Maybe they're on vacation or something.

[pigburger]

They could be in the northeast, if that's the case, they will be buried for a while, it's crazy up here.

[Silverback]

tobyy2,

they sent it to me on February 5th.

[Tedlick]

Originally posted by tobyy2
Yes, I can use them from RAM just fine also. The problem is, I bought this software for this specific reason. While they work fine from RAM, I didn't pay $26 to run them from RAM. Hopefully they will email them soon.
I re-emailed Bayder today, and within the hour they sent me the nostub version. If you haven't heard back from them yet, I recommend sending another email to support. They may have had some problems last week that caused some email requests to fall through the cracks.

[tobyy2]

they just emailed me today!

Toby,

I apologize for the delay in getting this to you.

Please find the new version attached to this email.

Brad.

Now, a question. I swear when I was looking at jackspart yesterday at home, the "CLIE Demo" showed up being like 2168K meg. What is that? All those demo pictures? Can I remove that? Will that gain me 2 meg in flash area?!

[lilmagnus]

Yup, just delete that sucka! It will free up that much Flash space. I've removed that, moved stuff like the picture stuff out to RAM (eventually to MS) and freed up about 2.5 -3 MB for my 'real' programs. No real problems so far (that was 6 mos or more ago).


Cheers,
lilmagnus

[pigburger]

I have almost 4 megs of stuff moved into my flash, I replaced gmovie with kinoma, the pocket pg with acid image and moved other essentials in there so no matter what happened, I could still play bejewelled...

[tobyy2]

Originally posted by lyakhovv
My Clie getting warm-reset every time I click on the Address Book
after I tried to load NX address_book from the Yahoo sony-PEG-NR70 group.

I still have a problem even after I deleted new NX Address_Book.prc.

Does anybody experienced this problem and knows how to fix it?

Thanks
--Vadim
p.s. I did not have any problem with NX MemoPlus and ToDo list.

I had a similar problem in my testing things out. I was getting an error on some memory manager thing when I tried to go back to the NR version. The exact error was:

MemoryMgr.C,Line:4365,
NULL Handle
(reset)

Launch MSGATE and delete a file <b>UNDER</b> "Address Book" (NOT "Address Book" itself) called "ImageViewerAddressLink". See if that fixes it for you. It did for me!

Also, it appears if you want to use the NX Address Book, you MUST have some sort of highres assistant on. Otherwise, it goes low res.

Hopefully that answers a few unanswered questions in this thread.

[papsgee]

I just want to get this straight. I download the apps from the chandos site. Move to NR70 with hotsync. And now they should work ?

[kstuart]

Originally posted by papsgee
I just want to get this straight. I download the apps from the chandos site. Move to NR70 with hotsync. And now they should work ?

That is my experience.&nbsp; The MemoPad and ToDo apps work fine in HiRes+ on my NR70, and the AddressBook works, but it doesn't support pictures on an NR70 (see earlier in the thread for details).

I think that the NR70 Yahoo Group has an "NX70" file area with all the apps found on an NX70, even though most of them won't work on an NR70, as a resource - ie NX70 owners can use them for when they screw up their ROM, and NR70 owners can use them to screw up their PDA. :-)

I have almost 4 megs of stuff moved into my flash, I replaced gmovie with kinoma, the pocket pg with acid image and moved other essentials in there so no matter what happened, I could still play bejewelled...

Sony must feel the same, as I've read that their newest PDAs have Kinoma and Bejewelled in flash.

&nbsp;

[j0nblayz]

I just can't get this to work, i tried everything, only way i can get it to work is if i jus hotsync the 4 apps then it'll work, but if i copy the apps on to MS then jackspart out an app and copy the NX app to flash using jackflash i keep gettin errors. What version of Jackflash is everyone using? and i'm using the non stub version of jackspart, is that why it's screwin up? its not leavin any stubs though when i delete apps..

[RichInKC]

Just an FYI, I did the upgrade to the NX apps on my NR a few months back.&nbsp; I ended up going back and deleting the Address Book application since the NX version would not support the inclusion of photos like the NR version did.&nbsp; Apparently the NX Address Book needs the NX image viewer to access that feature and the viewer does not work on an NR.&nbsp; If you like having photos attached to your address book entries, you may not want to upgrade to the NX version.&nbsp; I have had no luck finding an remedy to this.&nbsp; If anybody know of one, please post.

[j0nblayz]

i already knew that, not a big deal at all to me, i just want to use the nx software on my nr, but i want to put it on my flash, can someone help me out?

[Ezra4no1]

Ok....
This question may have already been asked, but has anyone tried or do they know if the launcher program that sony put on the NX Clies can be made to work on the NRs?

[pigburger]

nope, it does not work, though you would be better served with zlauncher. I have since upgraded to the NX and find the sony launcher pretty useless. it's nice to look at but it's not very handy to look at just 10 or so apps at the same time. the NX launcher only runs on an arm processor...

As for the jacksprat question, you absolutely need the no stub version to get it to work. I beleive when I got it to go it was with jack flash 2.something or other, not the latest version, but that was mainly because it was done a while back. Do the delete and move one app at a time, that might help. Good luck.

[j0nblayz]

what version is the no-stub version? and is it reg'd version that he sends you or is it a beta version he sends you? if its beta, is it open to public beta? if so can someone send me a copy? i already emailed brayder but still no response...

[j0nblayz]

i jus checked out brayder's site, and found out that you have to pay for the beta.. so forget what i jus said.. heh

[1234]

Well, I did all the things as they are described here, but the result is that i lost my datebook, adress book and phone book programs :/
the NX apps aren't installed or recognized from my clié.
so, when i press the hard keys a message says: "Application has been removed."
of course i made an update of my rom (it is stored on my hd and on my memorystick, (/programs/Jacksprat/) 28 files, each 256kb and a file called flashwrite.prc) but after running this file and try to "restore palm os" i get the error message "One of the files needed for the ROM image is missing."
I even don't know if running flashwrite.prc will restore my rom to its original data. but what do i have to do instead of this?
And btw does it matter that i used yishow to copy / move the NX apps to the clié's memory, instead of the file manager posted here?
I hope someone could help me, either to get the NX apps running or restore my old NR apps.
I am sorry for my bad english, i am german :)