Undocumented feature on the T|T3

[gammada]

According to this page http://hackndev.com/node/276 , our beloved T3 units can light their LED in another color beside green: red!!

How? well, you have to load Linux in order to work this out... but a Linux OS for T|T3 is there too for the download :D

Anyone beside me venturing into unknown territory?

[+Kardboard+]

There was a thread going on in Brighthand about this, and people were wondering (well, mostly me) whether we could get that red LED going under good ol' POS.

Then the thread died. haha

[dmitrygr]

i can. Once i get a t3 (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113706) :)

[+Kardboard+]

i can. Once i get a t3 (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113706) :)

The post I've been waiting for since I first saw the pic of the red LED. :p

[DCBAKER]

i can. Once i get a t3 (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113706) :)
That's a bold statement, but I guess you have the rep to make it.

If I was provided a loaner of equal or greater value (plus the equipment to sync and charge it and with PalmOS, of course), I might be willing to loan my T3 to this experiment. I don't have any other device as a back up. I might offer to sell the T3 if I did.

I used to own a UX5o which had the LED which would change color based on charge state. I wish my T3 had this as well.

[dmitrygr]

i'm getting a t3 anyways...

[DCBAKER]

i'm getting a t3 anyways...
Excellent!!! I'll be one of those anxious T3 owners waiting to see the result.

[gammada]

The red LED definitely works on my T3, I just went and installed Palm4Linux running it from the SD and when the installation stopped due to a missing file BAM! the LED turn-up in full red color!!

Can't wait to see what Dmitry can do with something like this on the normal OS!

[notEworthy27]

what program do you use>?

[+Kardboard+]

No program exists yet that will enable the red LED under Palm OS. Gammada was using Linux.

[yorrick]

I'm colour blind - I can barely see any difference between green and red... :(

[dmitrygr]

Here is the demo: http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/RedLed.prc

and y'all owe me a beer

now go and think of some good way to use this red led

[Clocker]

Here is the demo: http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/RedLed.prc

and y'all owe me a beer

now go and think of some good way to use this red led


Red works.

(red+green) yellow works for a while then the green turns off

How about a battery full indicator?

Or SD card activity light (like on clies)

[DCBAKER]

Yes, battery full. Red or Yellow while charging and green when full.

I've missed that feature since I sold my Clie.

And here's your beer. I hope you like the dark stuff.

[+Kardboard+]

You sir, are a SUPERSTAR.

Going to go home and try it!

[ahsirg]

maybe the z72 and TT and tt2 too have red leds?

[dmitrygr]

maybe the z72 and TT and tt2 too have red leds?



DO NOT (i repeat: DO NOT) run this app on anything but a t3.

[dmitrygr]

And here's your beer. I hope you like the dark stuff.


:D very much so

[+Kardboard+]

Awesome! You rock. Works like a charm. Red is so cool!

[ahsirg]

I ran it on my Z72 anyways - white screen of death ->soft reset.

[dmitrygr]

I ran it on my Z72 anyways - white screen of death ->soft reset.


the app loads a pointer from a known offset into DAL.prc
zire's dal is different, [not to mention lack of the i2c functions i need in the dal]

[BuRnN]

thanks dmitry for the effort of making something new for our old device could i sugest to take a look a ta old app for the m5xx series call Battlight http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/batlightlite.shtml could be cool to have some of this features :D thanks

[dmitrygr]

i picked one of the two suggestions here that i thought was more useful and made an app out of it, so here you go: LINK (http://www.palmpowerups.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=32)

[bobbd]

That is just cool. Makes me want to put more stuff on the card just to see it. Just kidding :-)

Is it possible to combine the yellow/green and red to show charging?

Bob

[BuRnN]

i picked one of the two suggestions here that i thought was more useful and made an app out of it, so here you go: LINK (http://www.palmpowerups.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=32)


More ,more, more ... :D

[tosbsas]

yes please (:-))

Ruben

[Greystoke]

the ability to switch it off would be nice :-)

[dmitrygr]

switch what off? the led blinking on card access? why?

[Greystoke]

switch what off? the led blinking on card access? why?A Switch for the blinking would be ok, I like the ability to access my card :p
Why? Just for being able to switch it off when it gets on my nerves (at night, maybe, when I'm reading or watching a movie in bed)...

[MarieC]

thanks for this cool app.
personally i don't see much the point of visualizing SD card accesses. i think the best way to use it would be a battery charge indicator. like what DCBAKER (http://www.1src.com/forums/showpost.php?p=936185&postcount=14) suggested.

anyway, keep up the good work ;)

[BuRnN]

VfsLed.T3.prc working very well the only thing i notice is with CardReader the led dont change to red

thanks dmitry

[bobbd]

Having the red show card access tells me more of what's happening. If you're going to be turning it off and on all the time, you can always keep a copy on your card and load it when you're interested in card access. Then delete it from RAM when you're done. The problem with options is that it's one more thing to check.

Actually, I noticed a red blink when I opened a new task dialog in Agendus. This tells me that the card has been accessed. No wonder it's relatively slow. I wonder how version 11 will be. That's the type of thing that interests me with having this indicator.

Bob

[XCool]

THANKS dmitrygr!!!! You are the absolute best! No doubts!

VfsLed worked wonders! Wooohoooo!!! :D

I tested it with my T3 connected to the USB charger... the LED is green... but when the card is accessed, it blinked RED... now that is freaking COOOOOOOL!!!

EDIT: Spelled dmitrygr's name wrong... oops... :p

[bobbd]

VfsLed.T3.prc working very well the only thing i notice is with CardReader the led dont change to red
Interesting, same thing using CardExport. When accessing the card from my PC through CardExport, the LED stays green. Of course I expect that it's under PC control rather than using the PalmOS routines.

Bob

[dmitrygr]

of course. they unmount card and use block read/write of the driver. i didnt go as far as pacthing those. i dont see a reason so as only such apps do it

[PatrickS]

Why not make a tiny library, a la MathLib, with some simple calls to turn the LED different colours? Then application writers could use it in their apps for whatever they thought appropriate.

[dmitrygr]

it would get messy with everyone controlling it, no?

[XCool]

dmitrygr, is it possible to have option to change between Red or Green when accessing the card? i don't mind paying for such a little app! it proves VERY VERY useful! ;)

[dmitrygr]

explain just what red would signify and what green would signify? read/write?

[Romeol]

When the PDA is on, the light is already green, no? Why not just make it flash red or something like on Sony's?

[Clocker]

Wow nice!

It just gets quite annoying when watching a movie on tcpmp...

[Clocker]

I've got another idea dmitry,

how about tying it with the attention manager? When an alarm nags you the 2nd time onwards instead of wasting battery power turning on the screen why not just some blinking red?

[Furball]

Just confirming that it works on my T3 too! Good job Dmitry! :D

Ciao!

[DCBAKER]

Works on mine too. It's cool to see that red LED. Thanks dmitry.

Any chance of doing something with the red LED and charging state? I'd at least buy you an actual (as opposed to virtual) beer for that.

[DCBAKER]

This is very cool when using pTunes. The screen blanks out and the green LED blinks to let you know that pTunes is running alternating with the red LED which tells you the card is being accessed. It's like Christmas in July!

[dmitrygr]

mmmmmm....beer


now that you have my attention, what was it that you wanted?

LOL

[+Kardboard+]

This is very cool when using pTunes. The screen blanks out and the green LED blinks to let you know that pTunes is running alternating with the red LED which tells you the card is being accessed. It's like Christmas in July!

...which is...tomorrow! Oh how fitting. :p

[grahamT3]

Hey Dmitry,

Just another thought for a possible use for the multi-colour L.E.D. in the T3 : A power level indicator. I reckon this could be kind of nice using the L.E.D. in Green mode for 70 - 100%, interlacing between Red and Green to produce Amber for 40 - 70% and maybe Red for < 40%?

I tested the colour interlacing out by charging the T3 and starting up some SD activity - looks nice! ;)

Nice work with the L.E.D. manipulation - after seeing the thread on HacknDev I knew it wouldn't be long until you had some project underway!

...graham.

[dmitrygr]

i am releasing a RedLedLib library sometime tomorrow. then do with it what you wish. find a programmer to use it and do so:-)

[Morden]

VfsLed worked pretty well, but once I did a softreset, it went into a loop!

Only the "up-reset" helped, once I deleted vfsled, everything went back to normal... except my icons with IconsPlus were gone... :( :( :(

M

[palmtastic]

Just another thought for a possible use for the multi-colour L.E.D. in the T3 : A power level indicator. I reckon this could be kind of nice using the L.E.D. in Green mode for 70 - 100%, interlacing between Red and Green to produce Amber for 40 - 70% and maybe Red for < 40%?

What you have proposed for the multi-color LED in the T3 is exactly what the LED on the Palm Power-To-Go battery extender does. The T3 LED scheme will rely on software while the Power-To-Go one is hardwired. Nonetheless, it will be a very useful T3 tool but only if some programmer can be found to do it using Dmitry's RedLedLib library.

[dmitrygr]

ask sharkk, JA, or jjf. they all have the skills needed.

[jjesusfreak01]

ask sharkk, JA, or jjf. they all have the skills needed.
Im flattered that you think I can program. Tyler (Sharky) would be the best choice, followed by JA, but he is better with Windows programs.

[dmitrygr]

here. enjoy

DOWNLOAD:HERE (http://www.palmpowerups.com/file/RedLedLib.zip)
HEADER:

#define VER_MAJ 1L
#define VER_MIN 0L
#define VER_REV 0L
#define VER_BFX 0L

#define RedLedLibVer1000 ((VER_MAJ << 24) | (VER_MIN << 16) | (VER_REV << 8) | (VER_BFX))



#define RedLedLibName "RedLedLib"
#define RedLedLibType 'libr'
#define RedLedLibCreator 'PPrL'


#define libTrapRedLedLibGetVersion sysLibTrapCustom+0
#define libTrapRedLedLibReserve sysLibTrapCustom+1
#define libTrapRedLedLibRelease sysLibTrapCustom+2
#define libTrapRedLedLibGetState sysLibTrapCustom+3
#define libTrapRedLedLibSetState sysLibTrapCustom+4



#define MODE_BLINK 1
#define MODE_OFF 2
#define MODE_ON 3



UInt32 RedLedLibGetVersion(UInt16 libRef) //returns version
SYS_TRAP(libTrapRedLedLibGetVersion);

Err RedLedReserve(UInt16 libRef) //if returns true, you now control the LED
SYS_TRAP(libTrapRedLedLibReserve);

void RedLedRelease(UInt16 libRef) //release LED after it was reserved by RedLedReserve()
SYS_TRAP(libTrapRedLedLibRelease);

void RedLedLibGetState(UInt16 libRef,UInt32* mode,UInt32* onTime,UInt32* cycleTime) //get led state
SYS_TRAP(libTrapRedLedLibGetState);

void RedLedLibSetState(UInt16 libRef,UInt32 mode,UInt32 onTime,UInt32 cycleTime) //set state
SYS_TRAP(libTrapRedLedLibSetState);

[dmitrygr]

usage is pretty simple
load library
call RedLedReserve
if no error is returned LED is now reserved for you app and you may control it. release it when done with a call to RedLedRelease

for blink the onTime and perTime are specified in 1/100 of a second (min=1 for onTime, 10 for perTime, max=128 for onTime, 1280 for perTime. perTime resolution is reall yonly 1/10 of a second so value is rounded down to closest multiple of 10)

[gammada]

Dmitrygr: My T3 crashed today when I was trying to exit an app from the card --a simple quote dictionary of sorts- by the moment my stylus touched on the 'home' icon on the DIA, my pda went dead for a brief time. It just went off with a short beep. I tried turning the device on again for several times but there was no response at all, it acted like when the battery is depleted.
After a short while I clipped the reset button but all I got was the Palm logo and no booting, so after trying a couple times more I decided to do a hard-reset and everything went back to normal.

My main suspect is the great vfsled app of yours cause it was the last installed app on my T3 before this event, do you think it could be the case?

Also, how do I properly uninstall the app? I did a restore from card but after deleting the app with UM, the led just keeps working in full red/ read mode!

[dmitrygr]

the app cannot cause this
app is uninstalled if red doe snot blink
it will stay on forever until it is turned off with software
install the app
run it once to turn led off
then delete it and reset

[Romeol]

Haha, Brighthanders are passing it around too. :)

[dmitrygr]

link??

this message is too short...

[tosbsas]

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=225758&highlight=red+led

Ruben

[holvoetn]

I have installed the program on SD card to avoid the problems Morden and Junglemike had with reset loops.
Obviously (I think), the program does not work anymore after a soft reset. But I already have Crony set up to rerun vfsled every morning after my automatic soft reset :)

I also noticed the led does not blink red anymore when TCPMP switches the screen off (was listening to Alan rambling during the 1src podcast :rolleyes: ).

Thanks anyhow Dmitry ! It adds once more to the cool-factor of our T3's :D

[tosbsas]

dunno, but on my t3 it works from ram without any problem

Ruben

[Bexuanmai]

@dymitry : thank for cool application .

I have a request , would you mind to make the Led

+ turn red when the battery is under 35%
+ turn yellow when it is charging
+ turn green when it is full charge

[DCBAKER]

@dymitry : thank for cool application .

I have a request , would you mind to make the Led

+ turn red when the battery is under 35%
+ turn yellow when it is charging
+ turn green when it is full charge
I think Dmitry is done working on this one. Which is a shame because I'd like to see an app that does exactly the same thing you requested. It doesn't look so far like anyone has taken up the library he released to create this app. Oh to be a code writer/programmer...

[holvoetn]

As a proof of concept Dmitry has made his point.
Any further actions/modifications would require substantial testing, coding, ...

All that for a diminishing group of T3 owners ... (hey, I am one as well ;) )

I am already happy with the application as it is now.

[DCBAKER]

I agree. I like the use Dmitry has put the red LED to. It's cool just to be able to use something that we didn't know existed before. Dmitry's work in demonstrating that it could be done is excellent.

I just wish I had the programming skills to come up with a battery app that made use of the LED as that would be even more useful to me.

I'm sure the group of T3 owners is dimininshing, but I think there's still enough of us out there. Take a look at the group of Sony Clie UX users. That was a very small group to start out with and yet the modding and programming that went on that group was very strong way longer than expected. Of course, now that Jamerican has moved on it's a pretty different scene there...

Oh well, I love the T3 and will stick with it as long as this one lives. It's still a pretty amazing device.

[dmitrygr]

i released a library. it makes it simple to control the led. make the app you want. it is ridiculously simple now

[DCBAKER]

Unfortunately, some of us can't even achieve ridiculously simple... :confused: But thanks for putting the library out there for someone to do something with it. You've been more thean generous.

[T3_slider]

If no one takes up the offer I can try it when i get time (Although my programming skills are limited). But if no one at all does anything I will not let a group of fellow T3 owners remain disappointed (Only because I too would like an app to display battery life on the LED, although I would like no LED for a good charge, yellow for <50%, and red for <35%).

Hopefully someone else will take the bait though...

[tosbsas]

@t3_slider
I cannot programm at all, but can help you test (:-))

tosbsas at gmail dot com

Ruben

[DCBAKER]

Where does one start in learning programming for the Palm? One who is a complete novice and never programmed anything except maybe the clock on the VCR.

[T3_slider]

Where does one start in learning programming for the Palm? One who is a complete novice and never programmed anything except maybe the clock on the VCR.
Well, either get a good book on Visual Basic and start programming with HB++ or get a book on C/C++ and use OnBoardC or the Palm OS Developer Suite. There are lots of other options available (CASLide and CodeWarrior), but they cost money or have run-time files. Then go to the PalmSource website and learn about the specific PalmOS API's.

If you can get through that, you can program. I'm sure others with far more programming experience than me have tons of other tools that they use, but hey, I'm a novice. ;-)

[dmitrygr]

PalmPascal is where i started with NO palmos knowlege.
learned form examples in a week

[JAmerican]

I'll try to make something for you guys. But remember, I don't have a T3 so don't have any way to test it. Do backup before you use any of my work.

JAmerican

[dmitrygr]

I'll try to make something for you guys. But remember, I don't have a T3 so don't have any way to test it. Do backup before you use any of my work.

JAmerican


well as long as you do not acess hardware and just call my library the worst you can do is cause the pda to hang and blink the red led :D

[JAmerican]

Then I probably should not add that Green LED code?

Anyway, guys be cautious. I DO NOT HAVE A T3 and have not tested this for myself. Let me know if it works or not. As well as what specifically worked and didn't work. Thanks.

TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

http://jamerican.net/JJFiles/HB/jaLighT3.prc

JAmerican

[Bexuanmai]

http://jamerican.net/JJFiles/HB/jaLighT3.prc

Error 66 : Library not found :(

[JAmerican]

wait a sec.

Edit: Ok. Try now. I misnumbered something. LOL. It should load library now and hopefully work.

Edit2: If you downloaded the file before 8:52AM EST GMT-5, then download it again.

JAmerican

[junglemike]

I have 2 T3's. My workng is Sony screen T3. VfsLed.T3 (or the librarly)doesn't work there at all. It crashes and causes a reset loop. The Other Sony screen T3 - which is basically empty and serves as a backup unit - works well with red led.
So it is either Sony and sharp T3's are different in some whay or some software may interfere with red light.
Jamerican, I tried your app with loaded dmitry's library (on other T3) - it shows a window for 1 sec, than goes into reset. What it's supposed to do anywa?

[dmitrygr]

hm....i know why it crashes...you have an old one....they changed the DAL halfway through production (well actually 2 weeks in) so my app [and the lib] will work on all new ones and not the old ones. unfortunately it is quite hard to tell them apart.

[tosbsas]

@Jayamerican
Do I have to laod the library too - or just your prc?

Ruben

[tosbsas]

doesn't work here - starts fine, than fatal execption - with and without lib

Ruben

[JAmerican]

I placed the Lib in the file so that it would load into your device. Doing this is difficult without an actual device to test. My app basically tests out all the features of the RedLEDLib as well as has a PowerTest which basically which basically changes the LED like Bexuanmai wanted it to in some previous posts.

[Bexuanmai]

@JAmerican : new file keeps my T|T3 loop-resets :(

[JAmerican]

srry. What is the last thing you guys see?

EDIT: OK. Try now guys. redownload, report all the popups that you see.

JAmerican

[drwho]

An information box pops up for a few seconds, then it crashes

[JAmerican]

which one??? What did it say.

[JAmerican]

What happened to all the people that wanted Dmitry to make something of his RedLEDLib, I need testers. I don't have a T3.

JAmerican

[drwho]

It said
'jaLightT3 0.1
For non-commercial use
Powered by HBB+ Evaluation Version
http://www.handheldbasic.com'

[tosbsas]

same here

Ruben

[BuRnN]

What happened to all the people that wanted Dmitry to make something of his RedLEDLib, I need testers. I don't have a T3.

JAmerican

sorry it was garage days sales here today i been all around and i just cameback and found a 1gb sd for 15$ brand new in package and i load something on it and i will tast it right after and give you some news :o

[JAmerican]

Ok. Thanks.

I think I found the issue.

Try again... redownload.

http://jamerican.net/JJFiles/HB/jaLighT3.prc

Make sure to tell me what popups you see. I mean like what the popup actually says.

Make sure the RedLEDlib is out of RAM. I want to make sure the lib load from my app is working right.

JAmerican

[tosbsas]

it doesn't crash anymore.
I get library loaded.
Reserved red led.
loaded main form.
Than I can mark allow interruption, and blink. I can check the RedLib Vers, turn on and off the green and red light.
But no light at all on battery.
So I shortly connected the palm - now I go a titilating red light, cannot stop the blinking. When conected its green.
When doing the power test I get error 6:object variable not set on top of the config dialog

Ruben

[tosbsas]

whats the on time and cycle time for?

Ruben

[gammada]

On Power Test all I get is Error 6: Object variable not set

The red led on/off and blinking works but the green doesn't.

[tosbsas]

and it doesn't get turned off, when turning the palm off

Ruben

[tosbsas]

and a soft reset will not restore green light (.-(( Even deleting the app keeps red light. So before uninstall you have to disable red light (:-))


Ruben

By the way redlight.lib shows up after running your app

[tosbsas]

The red led on/off and blinking works but the green doesn't.

Same here

Ruben

[JAmerican]

Read the text at the bottom of the screen to make sense of it. Do you see text at the bottom when you change the dials for OnTime and Cycle time.

JAmerican

[tosbsas]

don't get the sense of the text - sorry and behaviour of red light doesn't change

Ruben

[JAmerican]

The onTime dial changes the first seconds value and the cycle changes the second seconds value

[tosbsas]

ok, I see - so now we need 2 things:

1. Fix error with powertest
2. Turn off on turning off palm

Ruben

[raspabalsa]

JAmerican, your app works almost perfectly on my T3. No crashes at all, red LED blinks ok, turns on and off ok, the "On time" slider works perfectly, even when my T3 is connected to the charger. But I get the same errors reported by gammada and tosbas: the app has no effect on the green LED. I get the same "Error 6: Object variable not set" message. I can see no effect on the green LED with the "Allow Interruption" checkbox, but I'm not sure.

Could you please explain a bit more about the controls in your program?

[dmitrygr]

so seing as my lib is easy to use and sytem LED interface is not, should i let my lib control the green led too? (would need to rename it from RedLEdLib to T3LedLib)

[JAmerican]

YES PLEASE DO GREEN!! I'll explain it but I want to find that error first.

JAmerican

[JAmerican]

Don't worry about the Green Section. Since it doesn't work anyway.

As for Red..
The onTime dial changes the first seconds value and the cycle changes the second seconds value.

The values you change the dials to will now show up on the right. If they are equal, your red light will not blink. I have to fix the PowerTest. Try it out again and let me know if it works.

In a rush so I'll explain anything else later.

Redownload now.

JAmerican

[dmitrygr]

new library with control of red and green LED, and a new interface. allows total control of green led, and even possibility of wresting away control of green led form the system.

example app and header file and lib here: http://www.palmpowerups.com/file/T3LedLib.zip

[tosbsas]

test app works perfect - why don'tyou just make the whole app (:--))

Ruben

[DCBAKER]

new library with control of red and green LED, and a new interface. allows total control of green led, and even possibility of wresting away control of green led form the system.

example app and header file and lib here: http://www.palmpowerups.com/file/T3LedLib.zip
I ran T3LedLibTest and:
Library opened ok
Library version ok
Red LED turned on & then off
Red LED did not blink at any of the specified rates
Red LED turned off
All green LED functions worked
Check this out cycled between RED and orange

[DCBAKER]

Don't worry about the Green Section. Since it doesn't work anyway.

As for Red..
The onTime dial changes the first seconds value and the cycle changes the second seconds value.

The values you change the dials to will now show up on the right. If they are equal, your red light will not blink. I have to fix the PowerTest. Try it out again and let me know if it works.

In a rush so I'll explain anything else later.

Redownload now.

JAmerican
Tried this out:
First pop-up: "Non-commercial use etc..."
2nd pop-up: "Loaded Library"
3rd pop-up: "Reserved Red LED"
4th pop-up: "Loaded Main Form"
After tappinng "Done", Main form loads.
Tap "off/on" under "Green", pop-up says "Green off interupted" and green LED is off.
Tap "on/off" again and pop-up says "Green on Uninterupted", but green LED remains off. This is true regardless of whether the "Allow Interruption" check box is checked or not.

Tap "on/off" under "Red": pop-up says "Red off" and red LED is off.
Tap "on/off" again": pop-up says "Red on" and Red LED is on. w/blink checked red is on, pop-says "Red blinking", but LED is actually red uninterupted.

Tap "Power Test" and first pop-up says "LED OFF" and LED is off. After tapping "Done" the first pop-up says "Current battery level: Label, Low battery level: 35, Active LEDs: RED+GREEN" and two buttons labelled "Auto-refresh" and "Cancel". But this pop-up is immediately obscurred by another pop-up which says "Error 6 : Object Variable not set". This pop-up keeps returning unless "Cancel" is quickly tapped on the underlying original pop-up.

I'm not really sure what "On time" and "Cycle Time" do, but adjusting them seemed to have no effect on the red LED when it was on. It just stayed on uninterupted.

I hope this feedback helps. Thanks for the hardwork from those of us who know what apps we'd like to have if we could program them ourselves, but must rely on the intelligence and kindness of people like you.

[JAmerican]

Thanks for the commenatary. Don't worry about the app I released. I'm going to fix it up now that the T3LedLib is released. The app is already getting a rewrite.

JAmerican

[DCBAKER]

Excellent! I look forward to your next creation.

[Bexuanmai]

I don't know why it keep reset on my T|T3
When I do warm-reset , i can go to jaLighT3 , but it says that error 6 .
Can not use on my device
Hope the problem will be fixed soon
Keep your good work.

[dmitrygr]

I don't know why it keep reset on my T|T3
When I do warm-reset , i can go to jaLighT3 , but it says that error 6 .
Can not use on my device
Hope the problem will be fixed soon
Keep your good work.


does my test app work? [frm the zip that i linked to?]
if not, semd me the dal.prc from your t3

[dmitrygr]

test app works perfect - why don'tyou just make the whole app (:--))

Ruben


it is left as an excersise for the reader

[tosbsas]

so, when are we going to see some more?? Pleeeeeaaaasseeeee

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Since Dmitry has released the library to control the L.E.D. and I've been keen to start a wee bit of Palm programming I've decided to make this my first app! Began working on it this morning so hopefully I'll have something ready for you later on today or early tomorrow.

(As you might be able to guess from my handle I own a T3 so I'll give it a good testing before releasing it! ;)

...graham.

[BuRnN]

Since Dmitry has released the library to control the L.E.D. and I've been keen to start a wee bit of Palm programming I've decided to make this my first app! Began working on it this morning so hopefully I'll have something ready for you later on today or early tomorrow.

(As you might be able to guess from my handle I own a T3 so I'll give it a good testing before releasing it! ;)

...graham.

Thanks graham :D

[raspabalsa]

Cool... will be looking forward to your app, graham.

[tosbsas]

sounds promising. What features are you thinking about?

Ruben

Written on my T3-draining the new battery

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

I've just about finished the app - a wee bit of pixelling to do for an icon and a little bit of code tidying up and it's in the can. I'll post a link for it later on today and you can let me know how it works for you and whether you'd like to see anything else included. Talk to you all later!

...graham.

[BuRnN]

Hey All,

I've just about finished the app - a wee bit of pixelling to do for an icon and a little bit of code tidying up and it's in the can. I'll post a link for it later on today and you can let me know how it works for you and whether you'd like to see anything else included. Talk to you all later!

...graham.

cool thirds post i cant wait for the fourth :D

[tosbsas]

yep, same here. So far promises only (.-))

Ruben

[tosbsas]

Looks like today is no TODAY (:-((

Ruben

[holvoetn]

Looks like today is no TODAY (:-((

Ruben
It is still MY today :)

[tosbsas]

did you see date and time of his post about "today"? Here it says - yesterday 8:45 pm (:-))

Ruben

[holvoetn]

For me it says: Today, 01:45 AM so I got still about 8 hours to go before my today is finished.

I live in GMT +1 ;)

[tosbsas]

I live gmt -6

Ruben

[Bexuanmai]

"Today" hasn't finished

GMT +7

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Wow, you guys sure know how to put the pressure on! ;) I'm living upside-down, stuck to the bottom of the world at G.M.T. +11 so that why my posts are at odd times.

Sorry for the delay ( you always hit a few snags with your first app on a new platform ) but the wait is over with post number four! You can download the app, called 'baT3' from:

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~gfennell/Palm/baT3.prc

You'll need to install the latest version of Dmitry's T3 library as well. I'll probably package them together in a zip file later but thought that you guys would be eager to try out the app now.

It seems to behave pretty well and I'll do a wee bit more testing and fix any problems that I notice. I guess the only one really worth mentioning is that if you reset you'll have to open up baT3 again and disable and re-enable for the L.E.D. to behave properly - I'll fix this soon.

Let me know what you think and if you've found any bugs or have any suggestions!

...graham.

[BuRnN]

very nice name for this app it really good word playing i testing it right aways
i had a freeze at installation (Dmitry VFSled was active) after a warm reset the app work properly and i reset to load everything without problem i did not reload the vfsled-t3 just in case

Edit:

i just use it for a few minutes and i see a majors bug :D my palm dont want to go to sleep by it self so now i have nice colors leds showing batt states but a palm that drain is batt till i push the power button i hope u find the problem real fast and easy
i really like you app keep it up the good works ;)

[dmitrygr]

vfsledt3 and ledlibrary are mutually exclusive. having both on at once is a sure recipe for disaster

[BuRnN]

vfsledt3 and ledlibrary are mutually exclusive. having both on at once is a sure recipe for disaster
this is what i was thinking for vfsled
but know my questions for you and graham , what can cause the palm not to go asleep i had to remove both files to make it ok

[docholliday]

Installing Bat3.prc causes a fatal exception on my T3. Even after a hard reset, it causes a fatal exception. And, installing it and T3LedLib separately causes a hard reset. T3LedLib install is fine, then installing bat3.prc causes an immediate hard reset once it hits the box. Clean box, nothing on it, nothing in ROM...

[tosbsas]

ufffa - got an redddish light , a red light, a crash and than red light would not tunr off, only after hardreset and restore - green light back.

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Sorry for all the problems! First of all, BuRnN I've uploaded a fixed version that corrects the sleeping problem - works okay for me! I never waited long enough for sleep mode to kick in ;)

As for the hard resets - ooops! Sorry guys! I haven't experienced any hard resets so far on my palm. During early testing I used to get 'Fatal Error' messages after soft reseting, but I fixed this bug. ( I was able to work around this at the time with the up key reset and then go back in baT3 )

Are there are other specifics you can tell me? I simply copy the two files from my PC to my SD card and then move them into RAM. Are you guys doing anything different? I'm assuming you've deleted the old RedLib as Dmitry mentions? Any extra info you have would be great!

...graham.


BuRnN : The icon offer sounds great to me! :D If you pixel some Hi-Res big and small icons I'll add them to the next build! Thanks!

[dmitrygr]

works on my tx
no hard resets or any resets at all except the standarad one after first install of redledlib

[docholliday]

Ok, after copying Bat3.prc in off the card - after a no-notify reset, it held. But, the only thing is, when on the charge cradle, the green doesn't come on to indicate charging. If I set the app to display green, then it will always display green, even when off charge and powered off.

Other than that, seems to work alright. It does slow down the system a bit, though...maybe adding a sub that detects when the unit is on external power and turning on the led for the states also?

[tosbsas]

I did that too, only thing that really scared me that even after deleting both apps only light I got was red. And the red light stayed on, even after turning t3 off.

After hard reset it stayed red, only after restoring backup I got green light back.



Ruben

[tosbsas]

Think I found the reason for some of my problems.

I use uncache, and when I put baT3 on the list of apps to load after reset I get a continues light which will not turn off on turning off the t3. All menuoptions are selected but to make it run as it should I need to turn led display off and on once.

Seems like Dimitry's lib stays turned on that way, but baT3 is not talking to it correctly. Might be important to know for "enable on reset" feature.

Ruben

Maybe I am completely wrong - have no idea of programming

[dmitrygr]

Think I found the reason for some of my problems.

I use uncache, and when I put baT3 on the list of apps to load after reset I get a continues light which will not turn off on turning off the t3. All menuoptions are selected but to make it run as it should I need to turn led display off and on once.

Seems like Dimitry's lib stays turned on that way, but baT3 is not talking to it correctly. Might be important to know for "enable on reset" feature.

Ruben

Maybe I am completely wrong - have no idea of programming


my lib is stateless. the hardware LED driver saves its state until it is explicitly changed. so red led will stay on as long as it is not turned off, even through a hard reset. green led is turned off by a reset as palmos tries to control it too [and does before my lib is initialized]. so baT3 app is just not handling launch code 5 well.

[tosbsas]

Ok, thanks for clarifying. As I said - nonprogrammer thinking (:-))

Ruben

[raspabalsa]

So far baT3 seems to work more or less fine on my T3. No crashes at all. Installed files via SD card -no prob there. Since my T3's battery is almost fully charged, I had to move the thresholds to high values to test the LEDs. I used 85% for red and 80% for flasing red (I didn't bother with the amber), and sure enough the LEDs came on at the proper percentage. But I found one glitch with this app on my device: If the red LED is on and I connect the charger, then the green LED will not come fully on, even if the percentage gets above the threshold (and after the red LED turns off). Instead, as long as the charger is connected the green LED will only blink rapidly, with a very short on time, so it almost seems as if it's completely off. Disconnecting and reconnecting the charger yields the same result. After a soft reset the green LED will turn on properly when charger is connected, but as soon as I re-enable baT3 (by deseleting/reselecting enable box), the green LED reverts to fast blinking. If then I disable baT3, the green LED goes back to normal. Other than that, the app behaves very well. Any ideas, grahamT3? Excellent work so far, I'll anxiously wait for your comments and improvements of your app :)

[Dennis]

Same results as raspabalsa with red and green LED's
Using T3
Awesome work!

[dmitrygr]

then the green LED will not come fully on, even if the percentage gets above the threshold (and after the red LED turns off). Instead, as long as the charger is connected the green LED will only blink rapidly, with a very short on time, so it almost seems as if it's completely off. Disconnecting and reconnecting the charger yields the same result. After a soft reset the green LED will turn on properly when charger is connected, but as soon as I re-enable baT3 (by deseleting/reselecting enable box), the green LED reverts to fast blinking.

this is possibly a side effect of my lib. it chactech when system changes green led's state and reverts it back to what it should be if led is reserved. a side effect is you see a small flash between whensystem turns led on and when my lib turns it off. afraid not much i can do. however if batt3 turns green led on when charging, this iwll not happen as lib will attempt to keep led on, and hwen system tries to turn it on, it iwll already be on, so all will be well

[grahamT3]

Thanks for all the feedback! I'll fix up the reset handling and add in a catch for the charging state. I'm refactoring and improving the code at the moment and will post again to let you know when it's ready.

In the meantime, if you have any other suggestions or features you'd like included just post them here and I'll see what I can do!

BuRnN, if you'd still like to do the icon data for the app let me know. ;)

...graham.

[BuRnN]

i try to make something good for icons just gave the size and all colors depth you need


Sugestions for a next application :

i try to found a way to map the rotation to the voice memo button and dont find a way it would be nice to see that (hard button to rotate screen like on LifeDrive)

[raspabalsa]

i try to found a way to map the rotation to the voice memo button and dont find a way it would be nice to see that (hard button to rotate screen like on LifeDrive)
QLaunch can do this. In fact, I use the VM for three functions: a quick press deploys Hi-Launcher's menu, a long press rotates the screen (with QLaunch), and a longer press toggles the DIA (again with QLaunch).

[tosbsas]

Thanks for all the feedback! I'll fix up the reset handling and add in a catch for the charging state. I'm refactoring and improving the code at the moment and will post again to let you know when it's ready.

In the meantime, if you have any other suggestions or features you'd like included just post them here and I'll see what I can do!

BuRnN, if you'd still like to do the icon data for the app let me know. ;)

...graham.

you are getting more carefull (:-)) No today or tomorrow anymore - hope we did not scare you (:-)) Great app so far

Ruben

[tosbsas]

By the way - with dimmer (app) it will not turn off the pam automatically - it dimms down and than before shutting it down Palm comes up again.

Ruben

[BuRnN]

QLaunch can do this. In fact, I use the VM for three functions: a quick press deploys Hi-Launcher's menu, a long press rotates the screen (with QLaunch), and a longer press toggles the DIA (again with QLaunch).
i try it few second ago and crash my t3 probably i have some stuff incopatible

[tosbsas]

Sorry for posting so often but I am testing in between things:

Here is what I see:

1. Lights work perfect now
2. I don't have any titilating or else
3. Dimmer app cannot turn Palm off anymore, dimms to nearly black, but when it should shut off - it turns on again - needs a fix
4. When connected to AC and on, Palm shows corresponding light, when turned off - no light anymore, although it stays connected - needs a fix

BUT - GREAT WORK so far

Ruben

[raspabalsa]

i try it few second ago and crash my t3 probably i have some stuff incopatible
Probably. QLaunch works great on my T3, it doesn't even interfere with Hi-Launcher or ZLauncher (but I don't use ZL's QuickLaunch feature)

Back to baT3, I just ran a few tests, and I'm still getting green LED weird behaviour. The green LED refuses to turn fully on, and will only blink when the palm is connected to the charger. Some observations:

- Checking the "Enable Green" box in baT3 does turn the green LED fully on (no blinking)
- Connecting the charger causes the green LED to blink at irregular cycles, but always with a very short on time.
- As tosbsas said above, when Palm is off the green LED turns off too.
- This happens after fully deleting and reinstalling both Ledlib and baT3 (warm reset/delete/soft reset/reinstall).
- This happens even after a hard reset. I installed ledlib and baT3 immediately after a hard reset (I keep Filez in Flash).

The only thing I can think of is that I keep many programs installed on Flash (meaning they are in my palm after a hard reset), but I don't know if this matters. For the record, I'm using Lightspeed and Whinehack. Lightspeed is in Flash (but was disabled after the hard reset).

Any ideas, graham?

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Thanks again for all the extra info - it's really appreciated! Between the great feedback and Dmitry's tips I'm pretty sure that with a wee bit more work I'll be able to sort out all the issues with the application at the moment. I'll keep you posted on my progress over the next few days (I've learnt! ;) ).

BuRnN, since the app will only be run on a T3 (and TX - Dmitry?) I reckon we should get away with just the Hi-Res 22 x 15 and 15 x 9 with 256 colours? But you're the artist so I'll leave the decision with you! Thanks again!

...graham.

[tosbsas]

On question - anyone here got baT3 enabled after reset using crony??

Ruben

[Bexuanmai]

One more thing : can't chang the baT3's icon via Iconplus -- always does the reset .

I have some battery icons , check this out , hope that is useful for you.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery_add.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery_connection.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery_delete.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery_ok.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery_preferences.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/vnpos/battery_warning.png

[raspabalsa]

On question - anyone here got baT3 enabled after reset using crony??
I tried, but there are problems with this. Crony only allows "buttons" to be pressed, and baT3 uses checkboxes, which Crony can't handle. But even if Crony did handle checkboxes, baT3 requires two taps on the enable LED display box (since it remains checked after the reset you have to uncheck it and then recheck it), and Crony can handle only one tap per app per event.
So Crony does launch baT3, but does not uncheck the box, and that's it.

So even when baT3 is fixed to require only one tap on the enable button, Crony will still be unable to enable it. I think it could be a good idea to have baT3 re-enable itself automatically upon launch, instead of using the checkbox.

[BuRnN]

how about this as main icons i have difficulty to concentrate i wait tonight to work on this now the kids always need something so i have to stop every five minutes

[holvoetn]

On question - anyone here got baT3 enabled after reset using crony??

Ruben

Unfortunately I have to announce I had to remove VFSled (haven't tried this new app yet). My T3 was becoming unstable like hell ... :(

After removal all was well again.


Edit: spelling ...

[tosbsas]

wierd - vfsled works great here but I stopped using baT3 cause after an alarm I didn't here my t3 stayed on for 3 hs - no I need to connect it to ac - this thing about not letting dimmer turn my palm off has to be solved.

Ruben

[tosbsas]

I tried, but there are problems with this. Crony only allows "buttons" to be pressed, and baT3 uses checkboxes, which Crony can't handle. But even if Crony did handle checkboxes, baT3 requires two taps on the enable LED display box (since it remains checked after the reset you have to uncheck it and then recheck it), and Crony can handle only one tap per app per event.
So Crony does launch baT3, but does not uncheck the box, and that's it.

So even when baT3 is fixed to require only one tap on the enable button, Crony will still be unable to enable it. I think it could be a good idea to have baT3 re-enable itself automatically upon launch, instead of using the checkbox.

thanks for the info

Ruben

[Morden]

go Graham! :)

baT3 works, great work!... but a soft reset causes a reset loop! Just like vfsled did...
Had to do an 'up-reset' to get to the launcher, and delete the t3ledlib, then everything worked :(

M.

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Sorry for the slight delay in posting but I've been a little busy these last few days. The good news, however, is that I managed to squeeze in a wee bit of programming time and fixed all the outstanding issues (I think!). The list of fixes looks like:

- Refactored code to hopefully solve the dimming problem and improve performance
- LED changes to Green while charging and reverts to the previous colour when disconnected
- LED is automatically re-enabled after a reset
- Far superior icon for the application! Merci beaucoup BuRnN, ton graphique est tres bon! ;)

I'll be making a new build shortly (may be a few hours if I get too sleepy!) but it will be available in the next 12 hours or so!

...graham.

[BuRnN]

here the list icons and a alternate icons

[JAmerican]

Guess grahamT3 has this LED thing covered. Sorry for not replying before. I was busy with college stuff. I also got the parts for my college PC and had some issues but all is well now.

Glad someone continued the software development for the T3 LED :). I can't test it (no T3) but great work.

[DCBAKER]

Hey All,

Sorry for the slight delay in posting but I've been a little busy these last few days. The good news, however, is that I managed to squeeze in a wee bit of programming time and fixed all the outstanding issues (I think!). The list of fixes looks like:

- Refactored code to hopefully solve the dimming problem and improve performance
- LED changes to Green while charging and reverts to the previous colour when disconnected
- LED is automatically re-enabled after a reset
- Far superior icon for the application! Merci beaucoup BuRnN, ton graphique est tres bon! ;)

I'll be making a new build shortly (may be a few hours if I get too sleepy!) but it will be available in the next 12 hours or so!

...graham.

I installed the original version on my T3 and it worked as advertised. I'm glad you've addressed the second fix as I kind of like the green LED while on the charger. Will this be the case if the T3 is powered off. I noticed with the earlier version the LED would turn off if the T3 was turned off even though the T3 was still on the charger. Has the newer version been released for download and testing yet?

Thanks for all your hard work. I wish I had your skills.

[tosbsas]

and you did it again (:-((

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

As Ruben mentions, the new build hasn't been uploaded yet - it'll be available shortly. Sorry for the further delays but things sometimes get in the way of Palm stuff! ;)

A big thanks to BuRnN - amazing graphics, the new icon set is even better than the original! Wow!

...graham.

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

A little later than advertised, but it's ready! You can download version 1.1 from the same spot:

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~gfennell/Palm/baT3.prc

All of the fixes mentioned in the last post are included as well as some other random improvements. After you run the application for the first time the database will be protected so you'll have to use the new 'UnInstall' option in the menu to safely unload everything before deleting baT3.

Thanks to everyone for all the feedback and although I'm hoping this version will work out of the box for everyone, please let me know of any issues and I'll see what I can do!

...graham.

[tosbsas]

you nailed it - works exactly as advertised so far.

Great work - hey how about including vfsled feature of showing card access to - maybe titilating red led (:-))

And one more - maybe you should load up zip.file with lib included (if Dimitry allows that)

Ruben

[raspabalsa]

Excellent work, Graham! Now the green LED turns on while connected (no more faint blinking green while charging as in the previous release). Amber, red and blinking red work fine too. The only possible issue I can see is this: if, while connected to the charger I launch baT3 and disable/re-enable it, then the green will again blink faintly (instead of being solidly lit) until I exit baT3, disconnect the charger, launch baT3, and disable/re-enable it. But that's no big deal, I just tried it to see what would happen, so you may as well disregard it :D

I agree it would be nice to have the VFSled feature, but I personally would prefer the blinking green since the blinking red is used to report very low battery percentage.

Thanks a lot for this app, Graham. It's a very cool and useful feature.

[dmitrygr]

And one more - maybe you should load up zip.file with lib included (if Dimitry allows that)



i do not. link to my site's download may be included. library may not be.
link: palmpowerups.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=33

[tosbsas]

one thing I found - Graham

I use Zlauncher and I had set sound when starting and when shutting down Palm - with your app running I get softresets without any erroressage when turning palm on and sound is cut off

No such problem without sound

Ruben

[tosbsas]

Hey all

with all the nice words and hipe - lets not forget that good old Dimitry discovered the feature and made the lib to use it(:-))

Ruben

[raspabalsa]

Just ran a quick test - no probs with sounds at power on/off while baT3 is enabled. Sounds play, palm powers on/off without crashes. I'm using ZLauncher 5.42b4 (latest beta) and the MacOS X sound theme.

Tosbsas, what ZL version are you using?

[tosbsas]

tried maxOS too-when only testing sounds - with bat3 on I get reset, bat3 off - no reset.

No problem, I can live without sound, but maybe calls for sound and led cross each other in certain environments.

Ruben

And I use latest beta too (ZL)

[BuRnN]

graham. i need to send you the original icons bmp because the one u use have a 1src logo upon it send me you email addresse

the transparent dont work either

[tosbsas]

another little weirdo

I use 2playme as alarm (a great!!!! app) When it starts in the morning bat3 shows no little. As soon as I turn the musik off, led goes on

I believe somehow "timing" auf bat3 call might be in need of some tweaking

Ruben

[DCBAKER]

Excellent app. Thanks to both Dmitry and Graham! Haven't experienced any problems.

[raspabalsa]

Graham, sorry to be such a pain in the a.., but I found another minor glitch with your app on my T3: While baT3 is enabled, LED notificacions (by the OS or other apps) do not work properly. For example, I configured Aeroplayer to switch screen off and blink the green LED while playing music. This works ok unless baT3 is enabled. If baT3 is enabled then the green LED won't blink normally (that is, at a somewhat slow rate, with long on-times). Instead, it will blink with a very short on-time. Same behaviour with other apps that use the green LED to notify. For example, QLaunch, which can use the green LED to notify key hold times).

Has anyone else noticed this? What do you think about this issue, Graham? Thanks for your help, and sorry again for being so annoying :)

[dmitrygr]

Graham, sorry to be such a pain in the a.., but I found another minor glitch with your app on my T3: While baT3 is enabled, LED notificacions (by the OS or other apps) do not work properly. For example, I configured Aeroplayer to switch screen off and blink the green LED while playing music. This works ok unless baT3 is enabled. If baT3 is enabled then the green LED won't blink normally (that is, at a somewhat slow rate, with long on-times). Instead, it will blink with a very short on-time. Same behaviour with other apps that use the green LED to notify. For example, QLaunch, which can use the green LED to notify key hold times).

Has anyone else noticed this? What do you think about this issue, Graham? Thanks for your help, and sorry again for being so annoying :)


this is not graham's thing to fix. he did all correctly and RESERVED the LED to keep it in a given state. the whole point is that only ONE app can control the led. not 2 not 3 not 5 but ONE. so either BaT3 or your player. how would you expect to get any consistency when two apps control the same led? MY library on purpose places a limitation of no more then one controling entity per led. when nobody has reserved it, the system has control. when it is reserved [by BaT3 for example] system has no control over it. The most Graham can do is allow you to select apps for which he can release the led. [but then of course you will not know the charge level]. I have no intentions of allowing more then one app to control the LED in my library

[raspabalsa]

Thanks for the explanation, Dmitry. Please bear in mind that I'm not a programmer, and therefore know nothing about the Palm's workings software-wise. That's why I was asking about the cause for this behavior. Your explanation surely cleared my doubt, and in light of that I very much prefer to have the LED reporting battery status with baT3 instead of blinking during playback with Aeroplayer. Both you and Graham have earned my respect and gratitude for making this possible.

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Thanks to Dmitry for going through the details of the LED conflict issues! As for the the 2playme app that Ruben mentioned I'm guessing that it's an issue of notification randomness and priority about who receives the event first and what not. I'll install the app and fiddle with some priorities on my end and see what happens.

Since I'll be making a new release with the correct icon art (sorry BuRnN!) I'll see what I can do about adding in an option for VFS to the app.

...graham.

[dmitrygr]

I'll see what I can do about adding in an option for VFS to the app.



how do you intend to accomplish this? :eek:

[DCBAKER]

Not a programmer either, but just curious: is it not possible (maybe too dangerous) to allow the library to let more than one app control the LED or is it too much work. It sort of makes intuitive sense that if there's the possibility that different apps could call on the LEDs at the same time this could cause some sort of lock up. Plus, it would just be confusing to have the LED responding differently to different programs at the same time. Again, just curious. The work both Graham and Dmitry have done is very much appreciated and I certainly have no complaints. Especially for something that so far has been given to us free.

Thanks!

[rds2dys]

Thank you both Dmitry and Graham for the great works. All the options work fine as described.

Jinseok

[dmitrygr]

Not a programmer either, but just curious: is it not possible (maybe too dangerous) to allow the library to let more than one app control the LED or is it too much work.


no. in fact it took a LOT of work to make it as it is now. half the work was taking control away from system.

[BuRnN]

Questions for dmitry ?

i dont know anything to programing but i would like to know if it possible ?

attribute one colors to something and anothers to somethings else ?
exemple: red to card activities and Green to batt

and out of topics attributes Rotate to voice memo hard key :D (to act as the LD rotation button)

[dmitrygr]

Questions for dmitry ?

i dont know anything to programing but i would like to know if it possible ?

attribute one colors to something and anothers to somethings else ?
exemple: red to card activities and Green to batt

and out of topics attributes Rotate to voice memo hard key :D (to act as the LD rotation button)


the LEDs can be each reserved separately so what you describe is possible if apps are written right

[BuRnN]

the LEDs can be each reserved separately so what you describe is possible if apps are written right

Thanks and i presume that if someone would like to match the two in a app like i describe in the my previous topic we can forget the amber colors because it will need to have the two lib active to make the colors


i thinks i could live without the amber colors (most of the time it looks more red )

[tosbsas]

@Graham
I am still having some problems with bat3 - alarms and systemsounds make my palm reset with bat3 enabled- no problem when disabled

Think its the timing issue - or my setting to have the led titilate when the alarm goes off

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Hey Ruben,

I've installed 2playme and selected ZLauncher as my default launcher (with sounds enabled) and set both system alarms and mp3 ones via 2playme and everything seems to work okay on my T3. The LED switches on to the proper colour and then the alarm sounds. No crashes or other nasty side-effects happen.

It does seem odd that it only happens when baT3 is enabled alright. I'll see if anything comes to mind but it might be difficult for me to nail down without being able to make a reproduceable case. Have you tried with a hard reset and only installing the apps you'd like to test for compatibility?

...graham.

[tosbsas]

only other thing that comes to mind is my using of uncache. Could be I am using a special version of 2playme - we weretesting something mit Maxx

Ruben

And what do you think about my observation with the blinking led alarm?

[tosbsas]

Think I nailed it - I am using different alarm sounds, not original midi-system sounds - that seems to cause the crashes in that case - I will continue to investigate

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Hey Ruben,

Thanks for the update! Glad to hear that you're isolating the cause of the incompatibility. On the LED front, that seems to work okay on my T3 too (in that Dmitry's library supresses the system LED flashes successfully).

There's a fresh build available at the usual place with the correct artwork - sorry about that BuRnN.

...graham.

[tosbsas]

Can I install on top??

Or need to uninstall?

Ruben

[grahamT3]

I'd uninstall first and then install the new version!

...graham.

[tosbsas]

Did that - but your backup setting would hang my hotsynch - after removng it - works(:-))

Ruben

[tosbsas]

hey this version is doing wierd things to my palm - I know get the weak green led, and continous crashes - will go back to version before. Just touching a selection makaes a fatal exception

Ruben

[tosbsas]

Ok, the green led is having some trouble here - seems like its not starting as it should after reset. I have tested the following:

1. Palm connected - green led is on - reset - green led works
2. Palm connected, I disconnect - connect again - green led will not start again after reset

Both versions 1.1 and 1.1.1

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Yikes! Everything seemed to be okay on my Palm with the new build and the art assets are the only things that have changed - the code is identical.

I'm beginning to think that your T3 must have it in for me! Keep the feedback coming but I'm afraid that everything works fine for me and I can't reproduce any of the problems to try and debug them.

Has anyone else out there had similar issues with either the 1.1 or the 1.1.1 release? Thanks!

...graham.

[grahamT3]

Hey Ruben,

It seems that our replies crossed on that one. I've managed to reproduce the connect / reset error. So, just to be sure, the issue is:

Palm is on with baT3 enabled, green LED is on.
Connect Palm to charging cable, green LED is on.
Reset the Palm with the cable still connected, green LED remains off.

I'll look into fixing this issue and will post a fresh build when it's resolved. Thanks for all the beta testing effort you've put in - I really appreciate it!

...graham.

[tosbsas]

Palm is on with baT3 enabled, green LED is on.
Connect Palm to charging cable, green LED is on.
Reset the Palm with the cable still connected, green LED remains off.

Or - but I believe its the same story:

While you keep palm connected all is fine, even after reset green light goes on, but as soon as you disconnect and connect again and reset light will stay off

That's exactly what is happening here.

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

baT3 version 1.1.2 is now available from the usual place and hopefully this build will address the issue that Ruben has been having! It also addresses other sneaky bug in that it didn't properly check if the connector attachment actually had power coming across it (i.e. connector not attached to the USB port).

Let me know how things go with this one! Thanks,

...graham.

[BuRnN]

work ok with me that update fix the softreset after each hotsync


can you right the link of the download in your signature please because the thread coming to have alot of pages :D

[tosbsas]

seems all ok, only thing I still cannot use sounds in ZLauncher - seems to be uncache - but dunno how to uninstall it. Cause if I use "show battery and date" from 2plamye than sound works

Ruben

[HyJack]

Hi Graham,
so far v1.1.2 works fine. But there is one thing that is a disadvantage with baT3:
I disabled orange and green LED in baT3. Since that, every time the Palm try to use the green LED for alarms or so, the green LED remains off. So I could not use the green LED for silent alarms.
Is there a way to solve this?

Best regards,
HyJack

[BuRnN]

i encountered some unexpect reset till i remove it but so far works ok but i dont use the green led i let the system manage it anyway i want to see it my bat is discharge and dont want to have a things to discharge it faster using the green light always on :D

[tosbsas]

I had some resets too - but my idea is that thee still is some timing problem with os checking on light and other actions it should take. (my zlauncher theme for example)

I see blinking light on alarms though

Ruben

[dmitrygr]

led on takes up same power as led off so keeping it on is not a power drain, just potentially an annoyance.

[DCBAKER]

Hi Graham,
so far v1.1.2 works fine. But there is one thing that is a disadvantage with baT3:
I disabled orange and green LED in baT3. Since that, every time the Palm try to use the green LED for alarms or so, the green LED remains off. So I could not use the green LED for silent alarms.
Is there a way to solve this?

Best regards,
HyJack
If I understand the posts in this thread correctly, this is probably happening because the library with baT3 is controlling the LEDs (even though green is disabled in your settings). If that's the case, it won't let other programs/alarms control the LED. I may be wrong and if I am someone will correct me shortly. ;)

[arcspin]

Hi and thank you for your time and effort you have put in to this aplication.
(I use a T3)

I how ever are getting an Error message when trying to check the "Enable LED Display?" box.
As soon as I check the box the following appears "An error occured while opening the LED library. (Sys 050A)

I did remove the "VfsLedT3" before insatalling "BaT3"


Anyone knows what that error message mean and how I can correct it ???


Best
//Peter

[docholliday]

Hi and thank you for your time and effort you have put in to this aplication.
(I use a T3)

I how ever are getting an Error message when trying to check the "Enable LED Display?" box.
As soon as I check the box the following appears "An error occured while opening the LED library. (Sys 050A)

I did remove the "VfsLedT3" before insatalling "BaT3"


Anyone knows what that error message mean and how I can correct it ???


Best
//Peter

You removed the library? Re-install it...

[HyJack]

Oh yes, with the current version I have everytime a reset when I remove the T3 off the cradle.

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Sorry I've been away from the forums for a couple of days! So to try answer the various questions ...

DCBaker hit it on the nail! At the moment I've reserved both the green and the red colours in the baT3 programme.

The heart of the problem is that the T3 only has one LED it's just that it can display multiple colours. Dmitry's library allows the user to lock the LED colours individually but the trouble is that if baT3 has reserved only the red colour and an alarm is triggered and the system starts flashing the green colour you'll actually end up with a continuous red colour with a flashing amber colour (probably not too noticeable).

I could add in the functionality to reserve the colours individually if you guys like, but the effect will be as described above.

ArcSpin, that error message is displayed if baT3 can't find the LED control library. You'll have to pop over to Dmitry's site to download the latest library. The one supplied with the original VFS application is an older version and will not work correctly with baT3. Thanks for the kind words!

Hyjack, thanks for the feedback! DCBaker beat me to the explanation, but if you'd still like the system to control the LED just send in a post and I'll see what I can do.

As Dmitry mentioned there's no need to be too concerned over the additional battery drain caused by leaving the LED on continuously - it's negligible compared with the rest of the Palm's workings! ;)

Sorry to hear that some of you are still having some trouble with the application - I haven't had any troubles with it myself and it's been running since the last upload without resetting. The only thing that I don't test is hotsync'ing as I don't use it at all (just backup to SD card).

If you can try minimising the other apps on your Palm I might be able to workout the issue. Otherwise any other tips or pointers you can provide, I'll do my best to hunt down the culprits!

Thanks to everyone for beta testing baT3 - I really appreciate all the feedback!

...graham.

[Morden]

Same as HyJack !!

Reset when removing the sync cable!!

Bad!

M.

[HyJack]

Graham,

in deed, the best would be if other applications or PalmOS want to use the LED, in this case baT3 give way to it. Afterwards it should be control the LED again.

I´m not sure if it is possible to manage this, but for me it is sufficient if it could be done just for the "enable green LED" option. E.g. if this option is unchecked, green LED is free for all other usage.

But I have too less knowledge, could be that it is not possible to do.

[Dennis]

I too get a reset when removing from the cradle but if hit the home icon and exit from hotsync before I take it off it's OK
Palm T3

[tosbsas]

Got one of those too today - after that it would not hold/start after reset

Had to uninstall and reinstall

Ruben

[grahamT3]

Hey HyJack, Morden, Dennis and Ruben!

I've got a good idea what's causing this problem and with a bit of luck it won't be too tricky to fix. Unfortunately I'm very busy at the moment and won't have time to have a look at the code and post a new build for a couple of days. On the plus side I'll even install the Palm desktop application and test out hotsync'ing before uploading the new version! ;)

Thanks for the feedback guys I'll let you know when the new version is available!

...graham.

[Dennis]

Awesome graham!

Just a thought. Can the amber light be made to signal when the T3 is fully charged on the cradle? Changing from green to amber. So instead of showing a discharge to a certain percentage showing a full 100% charged amber light.

Dennis

[HyJack]

Dennis,

this idea is really good! I would love it too.

Regards,
HyJack

[docholliday]

And...

one more suggestion:

how about the ability to DISABLE the green LED altogether. The reason I ask is: if you have a power-to-go sled, you have to disconnect it when not using the sled because it makes the palm think it is on the charger. Now, Sony does the EB40 for my UX right...it detects that the "external" power source is actually a battery (due to the separate contact on the UX). The palm...well, it (and palm's infinite cheapness) is nothing more than an external power source.

Now, I don't mind the Green LED on while the unit is on...it doesn't eat much. But, imagine going on week-long hike in the woods. No, not your usual "hike". I mean deep-woods, Appalachian Trail. I usually keep all my electronics assembled, and in pelican cases for the trip. My minidisc with headphones and external power, external speaker; my phone with external battery; my GMRS radio with solar trickle on top of my pack; and of course, my T3 with sled, glowing brightly green in my backpack. Ugh...slowly eating away at battery life. Now, if I could just turn it off, that would be awesome. You'd still know that you've plugged it in by the "beep" sound during the dock detection.

If not a "disable" feature, how about an "ignore external power" feature to disable the LED?

[DCBAKER]

You take all that with you when you're hiking...?

[docholliday]

...and a 4x5 view camera with all the stuff, plus a magnesium Gitzo tripod (series *3*). Yup, I hike with about 75 pounds of gear total.

[tosbsas]

New trouble (:-((

With the new datebk6 - they changed something that has to todo with alarmmanager if I understood that right t3bat makes trouble - when there is a crash it will somehow destroy parts of datebk6 database and that way make it stop working. When uninstalling t3bat - no problem, when no crash of t3bat -no problem.

I know its t3bat cause when making a hardreset and restore I need to exclude t3bat - if not I get only a chrash screen

Ruben

[Dennis]

Has anyone tried this? PAjDA

http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&catid=0&area=software.newupdated&searchtitle=Search%20Results&searchterm=&step=1&orderby=modificationdate&direction=asc&userid=0&prodid=79373

[dmitrygr]

Has anyone tried this? PAjDA

http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&catid=0&area=software.newupdated&searchtitle=Search%20Results&searchterm=&step=1&orderby=modificationdate&direction=asc&userid=0&prodid=79373


what a MESS of an app

[grahamT3]

Hey All,

Just to let you know that I haven't forgotten about you and that there will be another version of the application released as soon as I manage to get some free time to code some more! I think that most of the features that you have asked for will make it into the new release and I have some ideas for making the application a litte smarter ( I hope! ). ;)

...graham.

[Bexuanmai]

It has conflit with PowerOn . When both of them are actived , PowerOn doesn't lock hardware-keys anymore ( only dimmer and auto-off on my device ) .

[docholliday]

Hey All,

Just to let you know that I haven't forgotten about you and that there will be another version of the application released as soon as I manage to get some free time to code some more! I think that most of the features that you have asked for will make it into the new release and I have some ideas for making the application a litte smarter ( I hope! ). ;)

...graham.

Thanks again for all the work! I am also (now) getting the fatal error on removing my T3 from the cradle at the end of hotsync. The odd thing is that it never did it for the longest time. Then, suddenly, the other day, it started to do it.

So, I dropped a copy of Syncback to the T3, so that it'll return to the launcher at the end of hotsync, and it stopped it. But, if the hotsync fails for any reason, I never get to see the error message. It'll just flash for a second and go to the launcher.

[Bexuanmai]

Thanks again for all the work! I am also (now) getting the fatal error on removing my T3 from the cradle at the end of hotsync. The odd thing is that it never did it for the longest time. Then, suddenly, the other day, it started to do it.

So, I dropped a copy of Syncback to the T3, so that it'll return to the launcher at the end of hotsync, and it stopped it. But, if the hotsync fails for any reason, I never get to see the error message. It'll just flash for a second and go to the launcher.

I used SyncNow -- it works fine with baT3

[docholliday]

I used SyncNow -- it works fine with baT3

But...it is still annoying having to remember to let SyncBack return the Hotsync app before pulling off the cradle. And, of course, missing any messages that may come up from Hotsync.

[Bexuanmai]

@docholliday : I changed the button "Hotsync" on cradle to run "Sync Now" , after hotsync , it returns to default launcher automatically , no more annoying ( with me )

[docholliday]

@docholliday : I changed the button "Hotsync" on cradle to run "Sync Now" , after hotsync , it returns to default launcher automatically , no more annoying ( with me )

Yes, I know. However, it IS annoying to not be able to see any error messages that pop up from hotsyncing. Not to mention if you grab and run before SyncBack kicks in and it DOES fatal error.

[BuRnN]

Yes, I know. However, it IS annoying to not be able to see any error messages that pop up from hotsyncing. Not to mention if you grab and run before SyncNow kicks in and it DOES fatal error.

you dont need the device to see the error the pc offer better detail about error and is log automaticaly and you can read it later

[tosbsas]

I used SyncNow -- it works fine with baT3

where did you download it??

Ruben

[docholliday]

where did you download it??

Ruben

It's not SyncNow...it's SyncBack. Google for "Syncback palm".

[Bexuanmai]

I use SyncNow

More Info;
http://xvisionnow.tripod.com/cgi-bin/syncnow.pl

[docholliday]

Yes, you may be using SyncNow. However, SyncBack:

http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&prodID=41157

is freeware and does the exact same thing, without dimming. Since I usually sync on a cradle or from a charge/data USB cable, the dimming really doesn't do much for me.

[docholliday]

you dont need the device to see the error the pc offer better detail about error and is log automaticaly and you can read it later

Yes, but if you don't see the error message, and it automatically goes away, you can think that all went well, grab your unit and take off to a meeting or something. Once there, you realize that for some reason, all your data didn't sync across appropriately and then you'll really be upset.

Plus, there are quite a few times where the Palm hotsync app has indicated an error and the PC hotsync app only says "Connection to Palm was lost". Looking at the Palm log actually told me the last thing it did before dying. The PC hotsync log showed nothing...except for the one liner.

[DCBAKER]

Has anyone tried this? PAjDA

http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&catid=0&area=software.newupdated&searchtitle=Search%20Results&searchterm=&step=1&orderby=modificationdate&direction=asc&userid=0&prodid=79373
If you're looking for an app for onscreen battery level, BatteryLine (http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&PartnerREF=&siteid=1&prodID=54489) is much cleaner. It doesn't do anything with the LED though like Graham's bat3

[Dennis]

Thanks DCBAKER,
I'll wait for Grahams baT3 like everyone else. It's going to be a great program when complete.

[tosbsas]

@Graham

Any news??

Ruben

[Bexuanmai]

Can we do some chatting untill Gramham or the other devolopers reply ?

I found this tonight

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e117/WinterMage/3d%20artworks/link/devv.jpg

and I have a idea -- the hot-sync background looks bored ( I have seen it for 2 years ) so can we change the background as the picture above or something like that :rolleyes: ?

PS : if it doesn't allow to chat here , please delete this post .

[tosbsas]

@Graham

Any news??

Ruben

[Dennis]

Yes any news?

Dennis

[tosbsas]

news???

Ruben

[tosbsas]

its getting wierd

news??

Ruben

[buu3906]

[QUOTE=tosbsas]its getting wierd

news??

Why?. I am sure the developer has another life, other than program for you. Be patient