?Legacy Maps?

[Diango]

Hello everyone! Im new here. I would like to ask for Legacy Maps, cause i dont have anything to play now. Please tell me sites where to download free maps, post direct links to them or email them to mcpjpurvinis@gawab.com . I would like to have even not popular maps, created by normal people, not profesional. Or you could send me your gamesaves, i would send my save back. My is 22-28 level. TY.

[Diango]

My party is knight,knight,mage,battlemage. Mage has 950sp. Knight has about 50-350damage. 2Million money. Full adamants items with +8str +9int +15int (wisdom of orasare). Got redshift axe n redshift shield. Hundreds of potions. Its a nice party :-)

[gyffes]

redshift.hu has a list of many maps (though some are available only from Handango). Go look. Pay for the ones that ask for it. Except for The Ring, all are worth the cost.

[Diango]

Thanks, gyffes. Ive got all the maps from redshift.hu ,except lespas. I just want that people send me self-made or just unpopular maps. ALL maps, that is not on Redshift.hu ,and gamesaves. As i said i would send my gamesave back to them.

[gyffes]

Why gamesaves? They're useless to you w/o the maps behind them.

Lespas, by the way, is EASILY worth whatever price Pliny is charging for it...

[Diango]

I just wanted to check what other players have reached, and play with their party to kill some time waiting for LEGACY 2. I would like to have unpopular maps more... Have you heard about Klad? Its rare and, ofcourse, unpopular. I want such a games.

[gyffes]

Interesting. I've seen noone else with such a quest in the years I've seen/played Legacy.

Some parties have gotten very high. Unfortunately, there is something we call the "Level 50" bug; at random points beyond Level 50, a character will suddenly LEAP up to, say, level 238, and then to level 400, and then the entire game will freeze/crash.

Most of us who play/replay often tend to kill the parties when they get to L48/50. You need them to be in the mid 30s to survive Legend2 but once that's done? *shrug* no point keeping them.

Me, I prefer 'young' parties. I tend to get bored of them about L26ish and abandon them in favor of the struggle of trying to kill a single spider or Gnome Captain..

[Diango]

I cant play legend2 because of that S60bug. I should email redshift to get the patch, right? And i didnt finish Exp Pack because of that guy selling map in ruined decrantes. If i would send my game to somebody here, could u buy the map from that guy? It would be great, as i wont get the reply from redshift soon. Could somebody do that? It would be Great.

[gyffes]

Right, the map problem is part of S60 bug. Email stewe@redshift.hu to get the patch. They do reply quickly.

[Diango]

Nice to hear that from you Catacomber :-)

[Warrior Girl]

Hi Cat. I think you are right. I have been thinking a lot about what character other people choose. For instance one of the reasons I love Legacy is that female characters can actually be the lead - and you even get time to build up your own wardrobe! When you have grown up always having a male lead in rpgs it makes a difference.
One game I really liked is Return to Mysterious Island where Mina (a young woman) is the central character. It is more of a Myst type game but I really lost myself in it. I dont know if you have tried it Cat?
Another thing I wonder is whether any of the guys out there choose a female lead or is that a step to far? Try it - I love my red firelizard mini battle skirt!

[Diango]

My whole party is male :)

[Warrior Girl]

Cat, that sounds amazing. I woulnt even know how to start making my own game! I would love to try your expansion when you have done it. Let me know what you think of Mysterious Island if you follow it up - though it sounds as though you are really busy and what I have seen from Legacy is that there is no time for anything else. I will have a look at Quest for the Styli.
Diango - is your party all male through choice or just the characters who were around at the time? AND
Gyffes - is that right? I didnt know you were so much in touch with your feminine side. I will think of you with increased admiration!

[Diango]

I played Legacy 4 times from start - always had female in party. There are no knight female (what a surprise :] ) and there were no mage/bmage female. Right now i have a lots of good stuff for female. Like platebody AC 30,or 24 + 9int...

[Warrior Girl]

Hi Diango, I am still in my first time going through Legacy. Originally I had a knight (Sir somebody) but found him really limited early on. Then I dropped him round about level 14 and chose Ketiara a female battlemage - though she seems a bit butch to me! I suppose a lot of it is to do with who is around at the time. Also there seems to be a difference between what people look like in the pub and in the inventory - though that could be true of life as well!

[gyffes]

I like all-fem parties .. although that knight you can start with often seems more of a rather masculine fem than a noble Sir, to me...

I confess, I get tired of Ketiara's scowl and that blue face of the witch Ohela or whatever her name is, but I LIKE my allfem/all mage parties. I'm currently trying a Swordmistress/Knight (the afore-mentioned Sir Whassisname, proudly renamed "Lord Girlyman") Mage/Mage party but I'm using Julius 'cause I like increasing the INT from the beginning.

What's interesting about this is I've played All-Mage parties so long my tactics are totally skewed towards a sort of CURSE/SPARKS/POISON CLOUD/SPARKS sorta barrage.. much harder to achieve this way. And I'm TOTALLY not used to that sorta hand-to-hand firepower up front so closing with my enemies is still rather foreign to me. But I'm getting into it. Now that Lord Girlyman has an AC over 140, we can stand toe-to-toe with everyone we've met so far (of course, we're only just starting Lespas..).

I like the different tactics diff parties force on you. But I couldn't handle the No Magic party I tried: just no fun.

[Warrior Girl]

I agree totally about Lord Girlyman - another reason I dropped him is that he always seemed to be sulking when we went into battle! As well as myself as a highlander, I have O'hara as a swordsman - he looks a bit like a young Harrison Ford. I have Asmodeus as a cleric because he looks cute. And then that moody Ketiara. The combination seems to work fine though as you can see not through any scientific analysis. I like the combination of magic and hand to hand fighting as well, though I suppose I do rely a bit on the paralysis

[gyffes]

Ahh... I remember those first parties, when we thought the seriously handicapped Cleric was worth the trouble.

An' don't get me started on those Highlanders with their non-existant bonuses.

And I'm STILL not convinced Swordmasters are worth their weight in boogies; I'd rather have a crotchety Battlemage wench wielding a blade, I think.. at least she can cast a decent fireball when needed.

*sigh*

[Stallion]

What in your opinion is the most powerful party? I tried O'Hara (swordmaster), The Unknown (knight), Ophelia (mage and my favourite)), and Eola (b. mage and my least favurite). And it is not very poverful. And another question: what skills are better to improve in knight, swordmaster and other chracter? Thanks!

[Stallion]

What in your opinion is the most powerful party? I tried O'Hara (swordmaster), The Unknown (knight), Ophelia (mage and my favourite)), and Eola (b. mage and my least favurite). And it is not very poverful. And another question: what skills are better to improve in knight, swordmaster and other chracter? Thanks!

[gyffes]

First problem: if you do not take the character from Zero -> up, you will not reach your potential.

The way a character who is level 10 (say) when you pick him up from the Inn has had his points allocated may not be -- heck, WILL NOT BE -- as carefully allocated as if you'd elevated a new character to level 10 the hard way.

Take the mage (please) Julius:

You elevate him from start to level 10. At each level, you give 1 point to END and the other 3 to INT.

By the time he hits level 10, he's got an un-augmented INT that's FAR higher than the old mage you pick up who's already level 10.

The example (and range) is less extreme for other characters (for whom you'd prolly spread the 4 points/level a bit more widely than for a mage) and is less extreme if you pick up a level 5 mage instead of a level 10 one. But even at level 5, the magette has not had the benefit of your careful allocation from the ground up and will never catch up, naturally.

So it's best to start with level 1 characters.

HAVING SAID THAT...

As I view the All-Mage party as the Grand Ultimate (ok, BM/BM, M/M), I acknowledge it's impossible to get 2 level one mages and 2 level one Battlemages, so I grab Ketiara (the bee-atch) and Julius (the old fruit) and dash into King's Aide for the Level 5 Ohlea (the bluefaced one) and whichever chick BM is to be found there (Eola, I believe).

While this party does hand-to-hand like a couple of wimpering sissies, it's DEADLY from afar (heck, it's deadly from anywhere but fiercest from afar). There's not a lot that you can encounter until Legend 2 that can survive many rounds of

CURSE/SPARKS/POISON CLOUD/SPARKS

Unfortunately, I made my passion for the CURSE spell a bit too well known and as he designed Legend 2, Ulic made many of his critters CURSE-proof. Still, nothing softens up an opponent like 4 successive lightning bolts, yeh?

Your knight and whatnot will have to be hitting pretty d*mned hard to surpass that attack.

[gyffes]

As to the skills allocation: I started a thread at the dearly departed PDArcade on this topic and didn' get the response I'd hoped for.

I favor the following:

* Mage: 1 pt to END, 3 pts to INT per level
* Knight: 1 pt to INT per level. Then some juggling of END and STR so they're roughly equal but with more emphasis on END
* Swordmaster: Hardest for me to balance -- the help file says DEX is important, so I max that early, give the obligatory 1 point per level to INT and then END and STR, again with emphasis on END. Once the DEX gets comfy (say, 30s with magic items), I shift a bit more emphasis to END and STR.
* Highlander -- no idea, never played it never will
* Cleric -- As with the mage, I max INT, rest to END. I've not played Cleric in awhile but when I did, he sat in back next to Julius and was called, "Merry Bowman". I wondered if giving him a bit of STR would help so toyed with that, but in the end stuck with END and INT.

Why, you ask, do I give EVERYONE points toward INT? Because intelligence is magic resistance. And at the higher levels, more and more attacks are magic oriented. Not much point having an AC of 140 if your INT is 6 and you suffer max evertime anyone lobs a fireball your way; it just causes me to waste potion or crucial attack-slot in healing you/the party.

Nope, I maximize INT via items and point allocation, then look for END things. If I have to, DEX and STR, but those are totally secondary.

Well, until I took a swordmistress, DEX was beyond tertiary. I NEVER EVER give a DEX point 'less it's to a swordmaster. Yes, higher DEX improves AC and attack (a weeee bit) but just not enough not as directly as INT or END obviously impacts/improves a character.

[Warrior Girl]

That's really helpful Gyffes. I have just been following the help guidance and adding strength and endurance to the highlander (I know you have no time for them but my grandad is Scottish so I will stick with it for now) and dex to the swordsman. I had a feeling we are not performing as well as we might. I will try a bit of intelligence and see if it makes a difference - and next time I will start from scratch with a different combination. I have never known a game where you can get so much out of playing again and again (though I am still in my first time myself)

[Stallion]

Gyffes, thanks a lot, homey. But I have a question. You know, if I put 2 b/m in the front i can be very quickly killed, can't I? Or not?
And my O'hara and The Unknown have about 8 points of int. They are lev. 18-19. I have recently understood that weapons are just nothing. But sometimes some monsters are magicproff like dragons.

[gyffes]

Well, Stallion, you CAN die quickly, but if you're careful, not as quick as you think.

And the BMs fight pretty well with the proper swords. And they can hold shields etc, but they get only 1/2 credit -- but they get full credit for magic bonuses those items have.

Magicproof requires tactics but can be overcome. I put bows on everyone in the back row and I buy a BUTTLOAD of mana potions -- all money goes to mana potions until I'm about level 10 (at which point I may have only 10k in cash but each guy has 100+ potions).

And you do have to reload from saves from time to time.

[Stallion]

Man. You know what I found? It turned out that if you have a powerful party you can take a charakter of lev. 1 in the back row and when you kill a couple of strong monsters by your powerful teem mates the level of your rookies rises up to 10. I have a guestion: is Ketiara a good battle mage. And why do you say nothing of clerics? Are they worthless?
Why did you ask me to choose Julius?

[gyffes]

Clerics have none of the advantages of mages (in terms of offensive spells) and don' hit much better. Yes, they wear a bit more armor, but in the back row that's a lot less of a Big Deal. As for healing -- if you can get to level 5ish, you can fairly easily get by w/o the healing talents.

What I do when I want to have someone catch up like that, Stallion, is do a couple of low-level adventures (say, clearing out the spider catacombs and helping Father Hraneus (sp?)) and then I have the lowest level person (or, conversely, the one of the current party I want STRONGEST / SOONEST) and have that one alone turn in for the reward.

Niiiice.

As for Julius.. well, he's the only level 1 mage available, so he's the only mage you can truly max out on INT with.

But I do get tired of staring at his ugly mug...

[Demonstar]

Hi gyffes, I always thought that your all mage party was just that; an all mage party. Didn't realize that you were using battlemages. I've always wonder how you were getting by with and all mage party.

[Stallion]

Gyffes. Is my Eola (battle mage) of lev 18 powerful? She is (with no items) 11str, 20dex, 25end, 32 int?

[Diango]

@Stallion when you will play alot your party will become MUCH stronger. Like my lvl43 mage with 224int and 1344sp :-) play LEGEND2 when youre ready. I dont add mages anything except INT and some END. Why to add dex? My mages gets 100AC+ just with armor that they need. STR is needed for rangers but increasing STR wont add lots of points to damage.

[gyffes]

Hmph. Hadn' tried an ALL MAGE party.. not sure there are more than 3 in the whole game.. and one you get a level 10, so he'll always be 'crippled'. Not sure we'd do that well in L2 with such a party!

She's powerful, Stallion. She just could be better: if you'd taken all those points you put on STR and DEX and put 'em on INT, instead.

[Stallion]

People, i've decidet to start the Legacy from begining. What party shall I make?

[Diango]

Knight Knight Mage Battlemage - like my party. I got second knight in 2nd/3rd city so u could not start with 2knights. (im pretty sure there is only lord bregannan and the unknown) then choose adventurer, i guess. But u can add 3of4 additional points to STR on highlander..

[Demonstar]

I usually create my party with a knight and a battle mage up front and two mages on my back row; armed with bow and arrow. I stay away from Highlanders.

[gyffes]

I like my Battlemage/Battlemage, Mage/Mage arrangement. Incredible firepower, incredibly weak hand-to-hand and the struggles early on to keep enough mana potions available really make you work hard.

Eventually, though, you'll just FRY opponents and be astonished at how quickly they fade before you.

If you play the main game with Julius and Ketiara for awhile, you can then dash into King's Aide when you're strong enough to survive the initial encounter (two wolves, one brigand) and pick up another Battlemage and another mage (both will be level 5).

It's a challenge, but a good one. And if you have serious fighters in your current party, it's going to require you to totally change your tactics/strategy.

And change is good.

[Stallion]

I've started a new game with mage and b.mage... I'm always killed.

[gyffes]

*GRIN* See how challenging it is?

Don't forget, this is TOTALLY different from how you've played before, requires TOTALLY different tactics. You can NOT stand and fight even the wimpiest spider. You gotta shoot and skoot.

You'll learn. Find a bow as soon as you can.

[Stallion]

A bow? What for? If I have a b/m Eola and kill her will she respawn in lev 1? And shall I restart the game to achieve max success?

[gyffes]

A bow 'cause mana potions are expensive when you're young and inexperienced and it'll help kill/soften up bad guys 'fore they get up close for the choppin' an' sloppin'.

No, she'll always be L5 at the start of the game.

max success? Staying ALIVE is Max success. Why do you think you need to restart the game?

[Stallion]

Gyffes, you know I paid little attention to int. on my swordmaster and knight. So it's to hard... And I want to make a party of maces and b/maces. Maybe there is an alternative way of making a new cool party without compleating the game one more time?

[Diango]

Magic is <powerful> i guess most of us after beating Sohl chose the magic side.

[Demonstar]

I like my Battlemage/Battlemage, Mage/Mage arrangement. Incredible firepower, incredibly weak hand-to-hand and the struggles early on to keep enough mana potions available really make you work hard.

Eventually, though, you'll just FRY opponents and be astonished at how quickly they fade before you.

If you play the main game with Julius and Ketiara for awhile, you can then dash into King's Aide when you're strong enough to survive the initial encounter (two wolves, one brigand) and pick up another Battlemage and another mage (both will be level 5).

It's a challenge, but a good one. And if you have serious fighters in your current party, it's going to require you to totally change your tactics/strategy.

And change is good.gyffes, I'm thinking of starting a new party with your setup. Here's a couple of questions I'm interested in first. How did you fair against the death dragons in Legend with this setup? And in Andervil/ Expansion Pack. How did fair aganist the Lifestealers and others that your magic doesn't work for? Last in Legend 2; using this setup did you get through it?

[gyffes]

By the time you reach the lifestealers, you're so powerful AC-wise they don' touch you.

Also, with FOUR chances to cast curse, ONE of them will work (julius almost always has best chance, for some reason). Then all your attacks do better damage, even the pansy BMs can take out lifestealers if they're not bein' hurt too much each round.

As for the Death Dragons.. I did it. It took 4 hours of Real Life. There's a trick that uses a hiccup in how the code handles attacks that allows this weak-*** party to get through it. The hard part, Demon, is surviving the initial couple of attacks. Once you make your way to a wall, you're set: it's just a slog from there.

[gyffes]

Not just there, Diango -- in Legend, you have a choice of Magic or Sword -- how many don't choose magic, there, either?

Stallion, you have 4 save slots: make one for your current (old) party and start a new one that saves in the other(s). I start new games all the time. For me, what you're struggling with vis a vis trying to kill a couple of tiny spiders while trying to heal/etc with a mere 46 gold pieces... THAT's the hard part.

[Stallion]

Gyffles, shall I take a knight in my party for a start? And of cource there are advantages in starting a new game but it's boring. Are there any other ways to make a cool mage and b.mage party?

[gyffes]

Gyffles? Gyffles??!

I'd say, NO KNIGHT. Any experience he gets will detract from your mages' advancement.

What's so boring about a new party? You've only been through the game once, you can't have gotten bored with its charms. I assure you, you won't remember where every little switch and solution is.

Sh*t, I've played through REPEATEDLY and struggle in places.. esp the damned House of Tricks...

[Demonstar]

Gyffles? Gyffles??!

I'd say, NO KNIGHT. Any experience he gets will detract from your mages' advancement.

What's so boring about a new party? You've only been through the game once, you can't have gotten bored with its charms. I assure you, you won't remember where every little switch and solution is.

Sh*t, I've played through REPEATEDLY and struggle in places.. esp the damned House of Tricks...It's not the fact that it's so boring; it's the fact that it's just so tough going through it all over again and having to die and come back and do it again. lol

[gyffes]

So SAVE / RELOAD often.

[Stallion]

Gyffes, sorry man, misspelled. You know what is so frustrating? I've seen K's of gold, magit items +5 of int., adamantium (or how it's called) wear... Starting a new game and seeing items like AC +1, having 50pts of int, 30hp and being often killed with a simple gnome... Hard... And... So frustrating... Ah!

[gyffes]

(I know it was a typo.. I was jus' teasin'...)

But for me, that's part of the excitement. When you're level 19 and you SELL a +6 AC boot that gives +7 END because you have something BETTER, there's not a lot of joy in that.

But when you're EXCITED to find a HELMET. A plain, ordinary helmet -- that's sweet. And when you add to that the crown with +1 int!? And find an amulet in a cheap armory that will increase INT 3 for $300 gold!? WHOA! Except, now you have to balance that purchase against the reality that that $300 will buy you 7 mana potions. Ooooh. can do a lot of damage with that. Or 20 some-odd arrows.

That's where the fun, for me, comes in: tryin' to get a party to grow and succeed with minimal resources. The terror of fighting those damned Bartender Catacomb spiders, the first time. Or when I was cleaning out the gnomes and the damned gnome captain took nearly my entire health bar in one stroke and I hadda flee in shamed terror? Brilliant.

Didn' recapture that sense of fear until the first time I entered the Bartender's house in REVENGE and BOTH guys in my back row died > BAM BAM < -- some 200 hp EACH gone in a stroke. Reduced me to a gibbering fool and for a moment -- just a moment, because I had so many RAISE DEAD scrolls by then -- I'd recaptured the excitement of a new party setting out in a dangerous world, underarmored, under weapond and totally unready to face the wolves and bandits of the great forest.

Compared with that, what's a couple of liches and firelords??

[Stallion]

Gyffes, you are right... Can you write how did you suceed?

[gyffes]

You mean describe the process?

Save often. Reload from save if you must. Don't try and fight toe-to-toe with the bad guys: you won't win. At least not often.

Save every penny, use it wisely. ONLY BUY MANA POTIONS. There's no point in getting anything else.

As soon as you can, get into King's Aide. You'll have access to a lot more money an' stuff (esp in the barrels) and to the level 5 mage and level5 battlemage in the Inn, there.

But the beginning... that's just slow, careful gaming. And different tactics than you've used to date.

Enjoy!

[Stallion]

Gyffes, is king's aide the city of beraquel? And how would you adwise to game?

[Stallion]

Gyffes, is king's aide the city of beraquel? And how would you adwise to beat monsters if not in contact?

[Demonstar]

Gyffes, sorry man, misspelled. You know what is so frustrating? I've seen K's of gold, magit items +5 of int., adamantium (or how it's called) wear... Starting a new game and seeing items like AC +1, having 50pts of int, 30hp and being often killed with a simple gnome... Hard... And... So frustrating... Ah!This is the same thing that I was alluding to in and earlier post. Most people who play Legacy don't want to go back and start a new party and have to go all the way back through the game. gyffes, you, cat, myself and a few others enjoy the game so much we don't mind going back and trying different party configurations; just to see how far we can get with that party.

[Warrior Girl]

Gyffes
Now you are talking - you sound like a real shopper at last!(I know it was a typo.. I was jus' teasin'...)

But for me, that's part of the excitement. When you're level 19 and you SELL a +6 AC boot that gives +7 END because you have something BETTER, there's not a lot of joy in that.

But when you're EXCITED to find a HELMET. A plain, ordinary helmet -- that's sweet. And when you add to that the crown with +1 int!? And find an amulet in a cheap armory that will increase INT 3 for $300 gold!? WHOA! Except, now you have to balance that purchase against the reality that that $300 will buy you 7 mana potions. Ooooh. can do a lot of damage with that. Or 20 some-odd arrows.

That's where the fun, for me, comes in: tryin' to get a party to grow and succeed with minimal resources. The terror of fighting those damned Bartender Catacomb spiders, the first time. Or when I was cleaning out the gnomes and the damned gnome captain took nearly my entire health bar in one stroke and I hadda flee in shamed terror? Brilliant.

Didn' recapture that sense of fear until the first time I entered the Bartender's house in REVENGE and BOTH guys in my back row died > BAM BAM < -- some 200 hp EACH gone in a stroke. Reduced me to a gibbering fool and for a moment -- just a moment, because I had so many RAISE DEAD scrolls by then -- I'd recaptured the excitement of a new party setting out in a dangerous world, underarmored, under weapond and totally unready to face the wolves and bandits of the great forest.

Compared with that, what's a couple of liches and firelords??

[Warrior Girl]

ok Gyffes time to ask for some serious advice based on what you were saying a few days ago about allocating points. I am now in the Ancient Tower store having bypassed the teleporters and am about to face some serious enemies (I know because I died and reloaded). My trusty number two, Ohara the sexy swordsmaster, has also just been moved up to level 17. Before I saw your advice I would have just followed the Legacy help advice and gone for as much dex as possible. What do you think I should do? He is currently at str 20, dex 49 (with a few enhancements), end 14 and int 8 (neither me nor Ohara are very bright but I think you probably guessed that!) How would you allocate the points? Ketiara and Asmodeus are not far off 17 either - that will make her really insufferable and smug. I might need to send her to Mabs Irish pub.

[Diango]

ok Gyffes time to ask for some serious advice based on what you were saying a few days ago about allocating points. I am now in the Ancient Tower store having bypassed the teleporters and am about to face some serious enemies (I know because I died and reloaded). My trusty number two, Ohara the sexy swordsmaster, has also just been moved up to level 17. Before I saw your advice I would have just followed the Legacy help advice and gone for as much dex as possible. What do you think I should do? He is currently at str 20, dex 49 (with a few enhancements), end 14 and int 8 (neither me nor Ohara are very bright but I think you probably guessed that!) How would you allocate the points? Ketiara and Asmodeus are not far off 17 either - that will make her really insufferable and smug. I might need to send her to Mabs Irish pub.
OHARA SEXY? Jesus Christ! I remember his face, better change him to Tran-Kna-Pa!! OMG!... All points should go to dex, then to endurance.. Ohara sexy! Oh My God

[Warrior Girl]

Diango
He's like a younger Indiana Jones. Then again we have been in an ancient tower together for five days! He is certainly an improvement on Lord Bregannan who I set off with. I will leave you to your fantasies about Tran Kna Pa - but thanks for the advice about dex and endurance.

[Diango]

Diango
He's like a younger Indiana Jones. Then again we have been in an ancient tower together for five days! He is certainly an improvement on Lord Bregannan who I set off with. I will leave you to your fantasies about Tran Kna Pa - but thanks for the advice about dex and endurance.
o'hara looks like an indian been in jail for 20years,and now he's got eyes like psycho. Lord bregennan looks like a monkey in human form or just aborigen (but he's nr. 1 in my party). Dont forget to add some intelligence for that swordmaster or he will get huge hits frum magic attacks.

[Warrior Girl]

Precisely - its that slightly wasted look that is so attractive. Girls dont conform to what you think we find attractive you know! Thanks for the hint about int. On the same subject I am about to go up to level 18. I know you and Gyffes arent keen on highlanders but that is my main character - only cos I wanted Seiranna as my alter ego. I am currently str 51, dex 14, end 45 and int 8. What do you think? Improve the intelligence? You wont be the first person to tell me that Diango!

[Diango]

You're doing well, Warrior Girl. On highlander you should add +3STR and +1END. Your end should be smaller and str bigger, but, i guess youre using items which adds points, plus, thats not matter - its only official. Keep adding str and add some int, then keep adding str and end. Add Str/Dex but not both at the same player. Btw adding str and dex points almost doesnt matter - it matters what weapon/armor you use much more. Whats your damage/AC ?

[gyffes]

Girl -- ignore Diango, he clearly knows not of what he speaks.

INT INT INT. END. STR. A weee bit of DEX (for swordmasters ONLY). That's my goal, focus, mantra and end-all-be-all.

Why? 'Cause if you spend much of each round re-healing the front two after long-range spell attacks have paralyzed then, fried most of their HP away, etc, you're not getting the most bang for your buck (Mana potions mana potions mana potions!) or you're wasting time having your cleric HEAL when he should be bowing away from the back row (you did say you had a cleric, yeh?).

So your lovely swordmistress needs INT. She needs INT magic items and she needs, every level, to have an INT added. Then END, END, STR. THEN, when END and INT have started to climb, mebbe some STR.

My latest party is somewhat new, for me: Swordmistress/Knight, Mage/Mage. They're about level 19. The Swordmistress has the following stats:

Str: 20
Dex: 47*
End: 43*
Int: 33*
AC: 107
HP: 245*

* = stat enhanced via magic item/armor

With the Sword of Karthanc in her hand, she inflicts 37-57, which isn' what I'd hoped for (maybe the bonus Swordies get improves that and it just doesn't show it?). The knight, with Ulic's Blade in hand, does 47-89 (STR=46). Those numbers go up quite a bit with BLESS (never take a STEP w/o BLESS on!) activated -- 55-73 for her, 65-105 for the knight.

But the best part is, the INT of 33 (36 for the knight) is high enough that we can absorb a few magic attacks w/o needing to either waste potion or, worse, waste an attack HEAL/MASS HEALing.

To me, a fine trade-off for losing whatever I'd get from stratospheric DEX.

[Demonstar]

gyffes, you're now playing with a swordmistress and a knight upfront. How's your swordmistress doing? I'm playing with your mage group right now. I'm now up to level 15 so far. Got to tell you, in the beginning I was running through mana potions like it was water lol. I was having to sell everything I found for cash. After going through beraquel a couple of times, I'm now able to keep a little money and some of the items. You didn't tell anyone how many times you died just getting use to playing with these guys. Buy bows and arrows. It's fun playing this group. :D

[Diango]

Gyffles, u didnt tell anything that i wouldn't know. But which sucha 'tactics' that i posted i easily got 200Million, 1400sp on my mage, 220+AC and more, i guess we both agree that magic is the best but if you say that whole party has to have big INT instead of others, that doesnt mean youre right. I can send you my gamesave so you will know how well im doing. { Gyffes SetHidden() }.......

[gyffes]

She's doin' fine, Demonstar. I loaded up her AC and END and hope. She doesn' inflict the damage I thought she would/should, unless the "swordmaster bonus" is hidden from view-yet applied with each stroke. I mean, if she can' hit any harder than that, what's the point of not using a Knight?

I loooooved that about the all-mage party: must REALLY struggle to keep them in mana, no? And then you have to juggle the high cost of arrows vs the awesome efficacy of manapotions.. Mmmm.. questions.. questionss..



No need, Diango. but I have questions about how you accrued so much cash. Spend a lot of time in Shoptown and the ill-conceived Gyffestown, did you?

[Diango]

I played shoptown once and the only cool thing there was blood blade. Never heard about gyffestown! I played A-LOT. Really - the only map that i have never played is Lespas(and maybe your gyfestown,if its a map). I got lots of money in sequentoni, like i selled 2 holy quivers with 50 arrows for 50x50=100Million. Probably i got the quivers there.

[gyffes]

Good lord, don't play Gyffestown. Some @ssh*le put it together as the biggest cheatmap out there.

Have you played a lot on a single character/party? You should've run into the Level50 bug, in that case.

And that seems like a lost of cash for a mere quiver of arrows, no?

[Diango]

I would like to try that map. I found a cheat in The Ring - getting millions of exp, plus cheat with lichen stones, and blah blah, but i dont use cheats. I played with one character once, but that wasnt really interesting. (but its cool that on the quest is only one character). Im afraid to replay Legend2 on the same party, because of that 50lvl bug.

[gyffes]

The Ring is particularly annoying to me because the creator told me he'd be fleshing it out and expanding it and has not. He took $10 for a map that's lesser in quality than what Charles Parks gave away for free (and that leaves too many quests in your log) and vanished.

And then you have the cheats. Ugh.

[Diango]

Yes, i didnt enjoy the ring at all. Like the quest 'would you talk to my neighbour' Hah!

[Stallion]

Gyffes, man I've tried the b/m b/m; m m! First of all it was hard but now I'm about lvl 9 and I am in tower lev. 3. And I've stuck.

[Diango]

Whats wrong in tower lvl3? You need to find 2 normal buttons/levers there,activate them,and go to west side, a wall disappears, and a door appears.Just go around and try to bypass floor canals (info from hyperflame).

[Diango]

Do you think its possible to change topic's name on this forum? I dont ask about legacy maps anymore.. I would rename it to legacy chat or something :-)

[Warrior Girl]

Hi Diango. I agree. Its probably my fault. I came on with a question about a map, and havent stopped gossiping since! But you have all been joining in - and it is mainly about legacy (except when everyone suddenly goes off on football).
Hi Cat. Thanks for the comments. I love this forum - I feel like we are all real friends. Mysterious Island is not like legacy - you just play it and move on - but if you ever do please let me know what you think. Mina does look like Lara in the ads for the game but she looks different in the game itself - shall we say less well endowed, and also she wears a less sexy outfit, just a T shirt and pedal pushers. She also has a cute monkey called Jeb to help her.
Gyffes and Diango and Cat I appreciate all the advice on points etc. I think because I came to the forum late I just chose characters I liked the look of, starting with Seiranna (?) who I re-christened Donna after myself and then slavishly followed the character classes help in the game. She is a highlander by the way Gyffes not a swordmaster. The big lesson for me is that I need to add a lot of int as they are all unbalanced. I cant wait to start again with a different party and what I know now! - but at the same time it is fun struggling through with what I have. Like Gyffes says, different tactics for different parties.

I have highlander: str 51 dex 14 end 45 (hp 225) int 8
swordmaster str 21 dex 53 end 20 (hp100) int 8
cleric str 11 dex 12 end 30 int 31 (hp 190)
battlemage str 11 dex 16 end 21 int 37 (hp 150)

a lot of these are enhanced magic etc

I dont mind being told that is completely stupid and that you dont know how I have survived! We are all currently level 17 and I have taken a break from the house of tricks to visit Anderville.

[Stallion]

Diango, I activated them... Can't find a key.

[Legacyaddict1]

Can anyone help me figure out how to save my saved games on the computer, so as to easily re-install when I wish? I tried the way mentioned on redshift faqs but couldnt figure it out.

[gyffes]

I'm a leeetle unclear as to your exact question.

1) Are you currently playing on a PDA or the like and it's the save(d) games from that device you'd like to save to your computer? or

2) Are you currently playing on your PC and it's those saves you'd like to keep?

If 2, it's as basic as finding the LegacySave games in the legacy folder and COPYing them elsewhere.

If it's 1, it's only slightly more complicated: find out where your PDA saves the files on hotsync (search for Legacy should be sufficient) and copy those to a different location (so they won't get overwritten at next hotsync).

[rebdaniel]

gyffes -- BTW, resent the file to you; let me know if it works this time (same thing happened with Cat, so I'm optimistic that the same fix will work for you) (and speaking of optimism, I also emailed stewe to ask about selling the level on the redshift site soon)

[gyffes]

It worked! I'm off to keeel!

(hey, what level d'y'imagine this is for, agin?)

[rebdaniel]

Well, went through with level 26/27 knight, battle mage, mage and cleric, had to play carefully and save pretty often, but was able to get through (and leveled up several times along the way). Now taking the same party (before they went through my level) into Legend 2, which I am playing for the first time, and have gotten to the middle or so of the second chapter without being wiped out. Hope that helps.

And you will find various references to yourself (and your son!)

[gyffes]

Oh, yeah? A dual-sword-'tween-the-toe weilding villein attacks, eh?


Well, I'm tossing a Junior Gawd Party of BM/BM, M/M at it -- we'll see how it goes.

Interesting -- a Save Game at the opening teleporter shows the following in the Saved Games list:

???? where normally it'd say, "Grendelmoor" or "Beraquel" or whatnot.

[rebdaniel]

Oh, yeah? A dual-sword-'tween-the-toe weilding villein attacks, eh?

Close -- but I'd never make anyone here the villain. And a couple o' wee political cracks that most will probably miss -- but certainly not you and Cat.

Oh, and I forgot to add to the gruesome list -- the Cubs had a good season going for about three weeks. Since then.....

[Diango]

gyffes -- BTW, resent the file to you; let me know if it works this time (same thing happened with Cat, so I'm optimistic that the same fix will work for you) (and speaking of optimism, I also emailed stewe to ask about selling the level on the redshift site soon)
You gonna make a map? When?

[rebdaniel]

Not gonna -- did! :p

And as soon as it gets a bit more going through from valiant testers, who, unfortunately, actually have lives and so can't spend 24/7 humoring me :D
it will be available for sale through handango.

[Diango]

How sad that i'm not betatester of your map :( i ate Werdna's Paris 2102 1st chapter beta in about 3/4/5 hours. And i have 20hours a day of freetime :(

[Diango]

I got an unsolved quest in my log: "Bring back the Dragon's head for Trinity (southwest abyss)" if somebody remember in what map it is, let me know. @reb - i don't have 20h freetime anymore - hollydays are over :-)

[OMEGA_RAZER]

^^^ I think that's from Chaos....

[Diango]

^^^ I think that's from Chaos....
You mean Shadows beta? That beta was real BETA, i don't think it would be easy to finish that quest. :-(

[OMEGA_RAZER]

yeah, chaos... shadows... whatever man, it was chaos first that's why I call it chaos

[modernmystic]

Either way, good luck getting through the forest without a map. If I remember right, the map was so big that after about 2/3rds of it was revealed, you couldn't view the whole thing without Legacy crashing.

That's an innovative obstacle in itself.

And I think you right OMEGA, that's the only level that I remember anything abyss, especially a multi-part one.

[modernmystic]

BTW, this is not a Legacy map, but I'm enjoying betatesting it although I'm dying: The Science Lab (currently for PC):

http://radiositygames.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=10&sid=72e94d5d2374ef3b98f1bbe0eb474de7
arg, stupid dial-up. Anyone wanna send me a copy on a CD? Might be faster than downloading it :rolleyes:
-mm