Rumor: 700p first thoughts

[Joel]

An anonymous source just sent in the following details of the 700p that could be released on Monday. No pictures though. [details (http://www.1src.com/?m=show&id=1550)]

[Alan G]

This is so cool! I just hope the final retail pricing isn't as high as I think they will be.

Alan G

[dragonsgames]

So some random guy gives you a bunch of unfounded specs? Or am I missing something...

[Joel]

lol @ dg... it may be a random guy but it's one person's confirmation that the 700p performs well. I'm set to get one if the price is right. :)

[dragonsgames]

Does he have proof that he has one? :)

[Joel]

Does he have proof that he has one? :) We label info from anonymous sources as "rumors." ;)

[IsLNdbOi]

My gosh. Is this thing really going to go for more than $500.00 for those that don't sign up with new contracts?

That's waaaaay too much.

[blues]

I hope Sprint don't increase the price of their data plan when this thing comes out. If they don't, I'm switching to Sprint from Verizon.

[Joel]

My gosh. Is this thing really going to go for more than $500.00 for those that don't sign up with new contracts?

That's waaaaay too much.
The unlocked Treo 650 currently sells for $599 at palm.com... so be prepared for a high price point for the 700p.

[JAmerican]

Sorry but 320x320 is not worth that much money.

JAmerican

[Jimmie Geddes]

I'm sure the pricing of the 700p is going to be comparable to the 700w.

[dragonsgames]

Unless they DON'T want it to sell... :rolleyes:

[Jimmie Geddes]

They've already sold it to me. (I mean I will buy it, not that they've sold it to me) :)

[dragonsgames]

You don't even know the specs or anything...
This could all be a hoax, remember. :p

[evildude]

So what does it really do. It looks like the micro inovation that palm is famous for. Nothing is new, But you got EVDO, so blazer can crash even faster? I'm back in VOIP and SIP based phones, so, the new palm, and none of the palm can run any OPEN voip software - massive minus.

[iboar]

I think they should rename this site to reflect their infatuation for Treos. Just call it TreoSRC, or better still call it TreoSUX. It seems that 90% or more of their editorials and PodCraps are about Treos. I just don't get all this Treo fascination--it is a second rate PDA with yesterdays technology mated to a built in phone that will be obscelete in a matter of months, that is, as soon as the next model is released. They are always overpriced and underpowered, and to use one with a wireless data plan is definately not cost effective.

[dragonsgames]

Yet the Treo sells so well...

[Alan G]

I hope Sprint don't increase the price of their data plan when this thing comes out. If they don't, I'm switching to Sprint from Verizon.

You are not alone in that category! If Sprint raises their prices, I don't see much reason for me to leave Verizon. I'm Sprint's customer to lose.

Alan G

[Alan G]

Sorry but 320x320 is not worth that much money.

I think there is going to be a little bit more to the Treo 700p than a 320x320 diplay...LOL!

Alan G

[LupeValenz]

The treo is so great because mostly anything and everything can be done one handed, perfect for buisness people who have a briefcase in one hand and the treo in another :D. *Well, minus for the Treo 700W that is* :D. Bring on the new 700P :D I can't wait to stream over internet radio now ^^

[dragonsgames]

LupeValenz seems very excited... :rolleyes: :p

[Joel]

I think they should rename this site to reflect their infatuation for Treos. Just call it TreoSRC, or better still call it TreoSUX. It seems that 90% or more of their editorials and PodCraps are about Treos. I just don't get all this Treo fascination--it is a second rate PDA with yesterdays technology mated to a built in phone that will be obscelete in a matter of months, that is, as soon as the next model is released. They are always overpriced and underpowered, and to use one with a wireless data plan is definately not cost effective.

Notice though that we only cover the 700p because it's a Palm-powered device. The Treo 700w is considered off-topic. I believe 1src is the only site left that's truly dedicated to Palm-powered devices as on-topic discussion. :)

[dragonsgames]

And the Treo is the most active Palm OS device... ;)

[Joel]

Since EV-DO is not yet supported here, I'm thinking of getting a 650 once again. 320 x 320 and a good enough camera are enough for my needs. (The Powerbook handles the rest.)... If Palm lowers the unlocked 650's price to less than $500, I'll probably "go back" and get one.

(Or if anyone has an excellent condition 650, feel free to PM me and give me an offer. ;))

[dragonsgames]

eBay is a good place, too ;)

[blues]

... I just don't get all this Treo fascination--it is a second rate PDA with yesterdays technology mated to a built in phone that will be obscelete in a matter of months...Treo sales have skyrocketed, while handheld sales have fallen. Palm would be fools not to notice and take action on that. Yeah, I wish handheld sales were doing better, but I love my Treo. The 320x320 screen on my Treo is very bright and extremely clear, well suited for all palm tasks, except for 320x480 palm games. If your a palm gamer, buy a Zodiac. But again, those didn't sell either.

[blues]

I think there is going to be a little bit more to the Treo 700p than a 320x320 display...LOL!

Alan GYeah, no kidding.

[edeab220]

Once the GSM version comes out...i'll buy it instantly. Hopefully it'll be in august since i'll have enough money by then :-p

[crazy_smeggie]

I think there is going to be a little bit more to the Treo 700p than a 320x320 diplay...LOL!

Alan GHahahaha!!! That is a typical JAmerican comment. Ya kinda have to know him to appreciate it. :)

EV-DO alone is worth the price of the 700P and I will be getting one as soon as they get one within a few miles of me.

This EV-DO raises an interesing question:

Will we be able to use the Treo 700P w/EV-DO and a data account as a high-speed modem for our laptops when traveling? Wouldn't that be the bomb? High-speed Internet access anywhere you have cell reception?? I am almost jizzin' myself just thinking about it!!!

I'm getting mine for free - but that's another story for another time. I can't fuggin' wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SMEGGIE :D

[IsLNdbOi]

The Treo 700P will have almost 4 times more useable memory as the 650. It will also have the largest amount of dbcache of any of Palm's units.

I love my Treo 650, even more than my TH55. I hated carrying two devices around (a bluetooth enabled phone and the TH55). With the Treo, I'm still carrying two devices around only the other is a tiny bluetooth headset.

With my 4GB SD card, the only memory problem I ever encounter is when an app. needs more dbcache than the Treo 650 has free. The 320x320 screen is great to look it. It's bright, crisp and clear.

The one-handed operation is great for us multi-tasking freaks.

I can't wait until the 700P comes out. We'll be able to tether it to our laptops and use it as a high-speed modem with it's EVDO feature.

Just not looking forward to the price. Gotta sell my Treo 650 now. Anyone interested?:

Used SPRINT Treo 650 (6 months old) in pristine condition
Seidio 2400mah extended life battery (original battery included as well)
Seidio battery cover w/ reset hole
1GB blue Sandisk SD card
1 NIB Insten 2-in-1 adapter
1 Steel Blue JavoSkin case
1 Sena Combo (Updated version of the Leatherskin + the lateral pouch)
1 NIB 3-pack of the original Treo 650 Stylus

Everything except for the SD card comes with original packaging, manuals, accessories, etc.. Everything in pristine condition (no scratches, dents, dings, marks, cracks, etc.).

[blues]

...EV-DO alone is worth the price of the 700P and I will be getting one as soon as they get one within a few miles of me...I am so expecting that they are gonna up the data charges. It's just too good to be true.

[Bobbert]

You are not alone in that category! If Sprint raises their prices, I don't see much reason for me to leave Verizon. I'm Sprint's customer to lose.

Alan GMe too! I haven't even touched the cell data capabilities of my Verizon 650 phone after a couple months of $25 for 10meg/mo, which is not much. It was especially frustrating because I wasn't doing much more than what I did on my free LG phone using WAP for $5/mo, and it was almost just as slow.

If there are no big gotchas with Sprint (other than the fact that I won't be able to change my plan any time I want, like I can with Verizon), and the 700p pans out, I'm planning to jump on board with the Sprint 700p also.

I just get nervous about leaving behind my 650 when it's so solid and sort of like a long-time friend now, if you know what I mean! ;) There's also the camera... it's more resolution, but the 650 gives you a nice looking picture every time, even if it's lo res. I hope the 700p is not just higher res, but a "nice" pic also.

Fortunately, the "real" info will be rolling in fast and furious very soon!!!!!

[dragonsgames]

Ugh. YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THESE SPECS ARE REAL!!! DON'T GET EXCITED!!! :eek:

[Bobbert]

Ugh. YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THESE SPECS ARE REAL!!! DON'T GET EXCITED!!! :eek:They're feasible and even likely, so that's plenty for me to get excited about. If false, oh well, it was fun while it lasted! ;)

[blues]

How can you not get excited about an evdo connected Palm?
There's tons to get excited about. :D

[crazy_smeggie]

I'm still using my UX-50/T68i combination. There is TONS to be excited about!!!


SMEGGIE :D

[dragonsgames]

How can you not get excited about an evdo connected Palm?
There's tons to get excited about. :D
Because we don't know if that is the real specs...

[blues]

Because we don't know if that is the real specs...yes, officially, the specs for the 700p haven't been released yet, but to assume that it will be comparable to the 700w, is a pretty darn good assumption.

[crazy_smeggie]

Because we don't know if that is the real specs...They will be at least that good - if we're lucky - better.


SMEGGIE :D

[Lupin Addams]

Even if these are the real specs, there's a whole lot of folk out here who don't think it's that impressive - such as us Brits who don't have EVDO and likely never will. Even ignoring that, it's just not that big an upgrade on the 650 and it's certainly underpowered compared even to last years' smartphones in terms of memory and camera.

Still, we'll all know for sure soon... maybe tomorrow, if the rumours are true. Personally I'm still holding out hope for something resembling the 'Hollywood' rumours - antenna-less, 3G (something we actually have this side of the pond) and so on.

(And after all that, I'm still excited... I'm such a Palm geek!!)

[Antoine]

The current announcement of the 700p is not meant to sway folks who aren't in the US or folks who don't want to leave the comfort of GSM ;)

[Bobbert]

The current announcement of the 700p is not meant to sway folks who aren't in the US or folks who don't want to leave the comfort of GSM ;)
That's true. But I can definitely relate to the frustration of those in Europe that would like to have a 700p yet find it very unimpressive because they can't use it with their networks. I've been stuck with that Verizon Treo 650 that's wonderful, but frustrating as all get out when the data plan is so expensive that I don't use data at all. Having a 650 in the hand without data is probably very similar to having a 700p on the online store shelf looking at you, but you can't use it! I do hope there is a European version soon, although I'm afraid the data plans there might still be more expensive and more in line with Verizon prices than Sprint.

[Demonstar]

The pictures on the 700p looks good; but I don't see much difference between it and the 650. What would've been nice was that the 700p had a larger screen, 4gigs of memory. It shows having an increase in memory of 128 megs; but only 60megs of that are for storage. I don't see what all the exicitement is for this device. It's still a garnet. :confused: :confused:

[Bobbert]

The pictures on the 700p looks good; but I don't see much difference between it and the 650. What would've been nice was that the 700p had a larger screen, 4gigs of memory. It shows having an increase in memory of 128 megs; but only 60megs of that are for storage. I don't see what all the exicitement is for this device. It's still a garnet. :confused: :confused:I do think you're missing the point...

* 60meg is three time what the 650 has. That's a big help! It also makes streaming video a reality.
* EV-DO and a zippier device means it's a lot more pleasurable to use
* Touting streaming content means they won't harrass users who stream media (well, not as much I suppose) for using it that way. In fact, the Verizon terms of usage prohibited that in the past.
* The new FAT32 SD means that while only 2g SD cards are tested now, they should have support for bigger cards, like the 4g that are starting to come out. But stds are a problem right now, so it might be more a card compatibility issue than a Treo issue at the moment.
* DTG is in ROM, so doesn't take up user memory.
* Camera is a "real" camera now with 1.3 megapixel, and it can even probably do some decent document/whiteboard scanning (thus the new application/service touted by Palm to assemble the results and return as pdf to you)
* If you're willing to pay the premium, DUN is a really nice option for laptop internet connectivity via the Treo, and also now with USB trickle charging in the supplied cord.

And much more I'm sure, but that's all that I could think of at the moment. It's sure enough to get me excited! I just hope I can justify to myself the price of the data plan and phone...

[dragonsgames]

Hmm, the specs were real... this is awkward... :o

[Bobbert]

Hmm, the specs were real... this is awkward... :o"Ha!... Take that!" <Just kidding!>

Actually, it's no big deal... we're all so happy about it that I doubt anybody has any interest in rubbing your nose in it! Besides, anyone that says they know 100% and are never wrong is full of it.

And the forum bantor is always fun! ;)

[Lupin Addams]

Anyone else out there think the lack of Wifi is a dealbreaker?
For me, even if there is a UK-working (presumably 3G) 700P available any time soon, at an affordable price (instead of taking the US dollar price and just putting a pound sign in front of it, which is about standard over here)... there's nothing to justify changing from a two-device set-up without wifi. Surely the point of a smartphone is flexibility? Certainly other manufacturers think so, as there's a lot of wifi-inclusive new devices (most sadly running Windoze Mobile).

Can any of the more heavyweight tech-heads come up with a good technical reason for Palm not to have wifi card drivers on the 700P?

Perhaps the absence of Wifi is a deliberate choice (instead of the rumoured "problems with Garnet" - other Palm devices with Frankengarnet seem to manage OK...) - to placate the mobile networks and help them sell EV-DO plans?

I seriously think the 700p spec is a major error for Palm. Compared to pretty much any other smartphone of the same (or cheaper) price, it looks underpowered and old-fashioned. Of course a lot of Palm fans will buy it, 'cos it's new and shiny... but in terms of moving product, that's not a whole lot of people. I don't think it will be competitive, even against the 700W.

(Quite a rant about a device I can't use!)

[dragonsgames]

I don't see the point of WiFi on a mobile phone. It already has always-on mobile internet from almost anywhere...

[Lupin Addams]

It's not so much "wifi on a mobile phone" as wifi on a PDA which can also connect by a mobile network...

A lot of folk have home wifi these days - I'm one of them. I like being able to check mail with my PDA quickly rather than run up to my office every time - and I don't feel I should have to pay my mobile carrier for the pleasure of doing so!

If the 700P had wifi capability, it could actually replace using a seperate PDA and Bluetooth-connected phone - which would tempt a lot of people with that setup to migrate. It doesn't - therefore they won't. Seems like a bad business decision to me, that's all.

[dragonsgames]

Oh yeah, I have Sprint, which has Unlimited Data :D

[Lupin Addams]

Over here, data costs about five bucks a meg!

[blues]

...What would've been nice was that the 700p had a larger screen, 4gigs of memory.... :confused: :confused:Why stop at 4Gig? Why not 400Gig? ....I also think your missing the point.

Anyone else out there think the lack of Wifi is a dealbreaker?...I also think that wifi is a redundant feature, especually with evdo, but still a very nice feature. Especually if we could connect without accuring our carrier's data charges.

This phone is going to be very popular, and I'm sure I will be seeing alot more people with Treo's at the airport and in the office. But obviously, not everyone is gonna be happy with it. That's fine. I know I'm gonna enjoy mine when I finally get my hands on it!

[dragonsgames]

Why stop at 4Gig? Why not 400Gig?
They haven't even released 160GB drives for Laptops yet, not alone 400GB :p

[LupeValenz]

If they had wifi on the phone then a lot of people wouldn't buy dataplans and the carriers don't want that.

[Lupin Addams]

If they had wifi on the phone then a lot of people wouldn't buy dataplans and the carriers don't want that.

But that doesn't seem to stop the multitude of Windows Mobile smartphones that have wifi... call me a conspiracy freak if you like, but I still bet the no wifi thing is a deal to sell EvDO plans!

[dragonsgames]

Well, yeah... ;)

[blues]

I agree with that as well. How hard could it be to get a wifi driver to work?

But I'm also in the camp that believes that wifi and bluetooth are networks of the past, and the faster wideband networks of the future (evdo and the like) are the way to go.

[JackAxe]

So, how much do ye peeps think an Unlocked GSM 650 will go for when this thing is released? :) I still haven't got one. :o

I like the extra memory on the 700p, but since I'm on GSM, the EVDO doesn't appeal to me.

Is it possible to use voice-dialing over bluetooth with a 700p, or 650?

<]=)

[JackAxe]

I have a knack for killing threads.

<]=)

[Ezikial Anta]

I think that the 650 already has EDGE for GSM networks anyway [At least it says that on my Cingular box], so, the only real difference would be internal memory and the camera, which I can live without.

As for the unlocked, I know nothing.

[jreagles16]

Does anyone know if the new 700p can support a 4gb SD for sure or is that a rumor?

[Ezikial Anta]

Me-nunno, but my 2G is working fine in my 650... though here's to hoping...
Btw, who has a 4g? Lol, what did you pay if you already have it? An arm?

[crazy_smeggie]

Does anyone know if the new 700p can support a 4gb SD for sure or is that a rumor?My understanding is that it supports UP TO 2GB cards and does not support 4GB cards.

[Bobbert]

Actually, Palm said that it has been tested and works with 2GB, but they are still testing on 4GB. Apparently the lack of standards makes it kind of like the wild wild west for 4gb and higher SD cards.

[AndrewP]

Over here, data costs about five bucks a meg!
T-Mobile have introduced a unlimited data plan for an additional £7.50 here in the UK. "Unlimited" is stretching it a bit far as you can't stream, do VoIP, etc. but for email and surfing it's cool.

Andrew

[Ezikial Anta]

Hey, that's better than the 2 meg for 20 bucks or something like that Cingular wants from me........

[dragonsgames]

I think Sprint has the best Data plan :D

[mrdeucie]

So, how much do ye peeps think an Unlocked GSM 650 will go for when this thing is released? :) I still haven't got one. :o

I like the extra memory on the 700p, but since I'm on GSM, the EVDO doesn't appeal to me.

Is it possible to use voice-dialing over bluetooth with a 700p, or 650?

<]=)
I don't think it will change dramatically since the 700p is only for CDMA networks right now. I don't think there will be a real price drop until the GSM version is released. For the price to drop, the GSM users would have to switch to CDMA to get the 700p.

[jreagles16]

What is the difference between data and evdo. Also, what does data included for example: emailing, and etc. I want to buy the new 700p online and just wanted to know what is the difference? Thank you for your help.

[mrdeucie]

The difference betweem data and EVDO is that, I believe, EVDO is just a way to describe Verizon, and possibly Sprint's, high-speed data technology.

[JackAxe]

I don't think it will change dramatically since the 700p is only for CDMA networks right now. I don't think there will be a real price drop until the GSM version is released. For the price to drop, the GSM users would have to switch to CDMA to get the 700p.


Good point, since the GSM hasn't been upgraded. I found unlocked "buy it now" 650s on eBay for about $350 after shipping. That's probably the best I'll get at this time.

<]=)

[mr smoove]

Besides EVDO, is there any other major reason to buy a 700p rather than a 650 from verizon?

[LupeValenz]

More storage from 23mb to 60mb, bigger heap memory so palm will be a lil more stable. Stream audio and video on ur phone. Docs2go and ptunes already installed so more space for you to install apps :) 1.3 mp camera

[jreagles16]

The difference betweem data and EVDO is that, I believe, EVDO is just a way to describe Verizon, and possibly Sprint's, high-speed data technology.

When I look at verzions plans they have data price I was wondering what exactly does the word "data" include? For example is data how much yu can stream of audio and video.
Does the 700p come with vcast from verzion?

"Support for 2GB SD cards, possibly 4GB SD (still testing)" for 700p

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/mobile-phones/palm-treo-700p-review.asp
a good review to read about the 700p

[mrdeucie]

When I look at verzions plans they have data price I was wondering what exactly does the word "data" include? For example is data how much yu can stream of audio and video.
Does the 700p come with vcast from verzion?

"Support for 2GB SD cards, possibly 4GB SD (still testing)" for 700p

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/mobile-phones/palm-treo-700p-review.asp
a good review to read about the 700p

Theoretically data should include the ability to stream audio and video but I don't know anything about their plans so I can't really say.

[pgenie]

Ok guys! I have just received my Treo 700p. First impression:cute& light - give it some times.

[Bobbert]

So... Verizon or Sprint?!!!!

- How did you get one so fast?
- What data plan did you pick?
- DUN (Phone as modem) also?
- Is the D-pad really bigger and easier to control?
- Are current software versions making it crash?
- Is the volume better on the phone?
- Is it really faster?
- If Sprint, have you tried the tv service? What stations and how does it work?

So many questions!!!!!

[jreagles16]

Does anyone know if it supports 4GB SD cards? Are they still testing. I figured out the data plan details. The evdo is consider "data" on verizon's network.
pgenie
Comment etes-vous arrives?

[dragonsgames]

Ok guys! I have just received my Treo 700p. First impression:cute& light - give it some times.
LUCKY!!! :eek: :(

[mr smoove]

Do I HAVE to get the data plan on Verizon in order to get the 700p? Everytime I go to their website to choose the treo 700p, the only plans that are available are those with data plans. I just need a smart phone to handle my tasks and calendaring. I can live without the bleeding edge media streaming.

[jreagles16]

If you want to be able to check email, web surfing and etc. Also, if you want to be able to stream video and audio on your 700p you have to have a data plan. Evdo is included in your data plan. Also, I have learned that paying for a data plan is actually paying for evdo. So you can ignore the sayings of you have to pay a separate fee for EVDO. EVDO is included in your data plan. (This is all under Verizon plans) I called Verizon and this is what they said over the phone.
Also you can select a pay as you go for MB so if you use any data you will be charged $5 a MB or something. So no you can live with out the data just choose pay when you use data or call Verizon about more info.

[mr smoove]

Which begs the next question... which one of you guys are getting their plans with or without data?

[IsLNdbOi]

If you're lucky enough to get on the Sprint SERO plan, you get free evdo service and free roaming. Verizon's data plans cost waaaay too much and with Sprint being able to roam on Verizon's networks, the choice of cdma providers is a no brainer.

[Bobbert]

I've posted on MR about my 700p choices here...
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6604

But thanks to Islndboi, I'm going to have to look further into this Sprint SERO plan!

[mr smoove]

looking at the sero plan, does that include data to surf the web?

[IsLNdbOi]

Yes, as I said in post 83 it comes with Vison (regular data plan) or Power Vision (EVDO data plan) depending on which phone you get with the plan. You have to know a Sprint employee though to get this plan.

[jreagles16]

Does anyone know if the 700p will be able to play ringtones from your mp3's on your SD Card?

[Alan G]

The 700p will come bundled with a copy NormSoft PocketTunes Standard 3.x. I haven't read the manual yet, but I know that pTunes is often used as the engine for playing .mp3 files as ringtones.

If that is correct, than you may still need to by a ringtone manager, but at least you won't have to buy a ringtone manager *and* an mp3 player.

Alan G

[Bobbert]

Here's instructions for the 650....
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6064
Should work on the 700p also, I would guess.

[jreagles16]

Does anyone think it is possible for a 700p to support a wifi card with a little modification. Because if the 700w is possible I would think it might be possible to support wifi?

Has anyone tried mOcean2 for itunes? I was just wondering if it syncs protected music to your device and play? I would love to know thank you very much and thanks about the ringtone help.

[Alan G]

Does anyone think it is possible for a 700p to support a wifi card with a little modification. Because if the 700w is possible I would think it might be possible to support wifi?

The 700w supports the Palm Wi-Fi card because Windows Mobile supports wi-fi cards "out of the box". Palm, I'm sure, didn't build or design the wi-fi card and that the chip set in that card is already supported by Windows Mobile 5.0.

I don't expect that Treo 700p will support the Palm wi-fi card. Shadowmite may eventually hack together a custom ROM image that will make it possible to use the Palm wi-fi card, but it won't be supported by Palm.

Alan G

[jreagles16]

The rumor that the 700p might be able to support 4 GB cards I have been researching. I have read articles stating that they can but can't and I ahven't really found anyone that has tried in forums some I'm contemplating on wether I should try it or not I have found a card that should be compatiable but I will research so more.

[Bobbert]

The rumor that the 700p might be able to support 4 GB cards I have been researching. I have read articles stating that they can but can't and I ahven't really found anyone that has tried in forums some I'm contemplating on wether I should try it or not I have found a card that should be compatiable but I will research so more.Try this thread (link is to a sample post, but others have made it work I think also)...
http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?p=1003462#post1003462

[jreagles16]

Oh cool thank you very much.