DVDs on Palm TX

[kcdavid]

Can someone tell me what software to buy (the cheaper the better--not tooo cheap) to use for converting dvds for use on the Palm TX? I just bought one and its better than any pocket pc and actually gave me the freedom to seel my Sony Clie Nx80v to a friend for 50 Dollars (that is how i feel about the palm tx -- newly generous) :)

[Pavla]

Take a look here:
http://www.planetdvb.net/staxrip/index.htm
http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=70567

And if you really want to pay:
http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonedvd-mobile.html
http://www.imtoo.com/dvd-ripper.html

[kcdavid]

Thank you for ur time and information. It looks promising. David :)

[Jesus is Lord!]

Wait, don't buy anything! All you need is right here:
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79928
I have tons of DVDs on my T5 and it works great! Lance's tutorial will hook you up.
I almost forgot, you'll need The Core Pocket Media Player (TCPMP) software for your TX (best A/V player around):
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/download

Louis :)

[hope]

If you have a Mac, its a whole different process.

[gsparks2]

Can someone tell me what software to buy (the cheaper the better--not tooo cheap) to use for converting dvds for use on the Palm TX? I just bought one and its better than any pocket pc and actually gave me the freedom to seel my Sony Clie Nx80v to a friend for 50 Dollars (that is how i feel about the palm tx -- newly generous) :)

I use Palm Media Studio. I just put a dvd into the computer, a couple of clicks and about a hour or so later, I have a 250-350 mB file to copy to the SD card and play with TCMCP. Very easy.

[dennis4ksu]

What is the process for a Mac?
dennis

[kcdavid]

Sonys are the match for a mac that I know of. The Sony NX series (in ads) always touted their compatibility for macs. Since there are no new Sony Palm pdas anymore a Sony nx80v or nx70v or nx73v is your best bet. The rest is easy. Find the software then install, then run the software, then watch the dvd. Go KState!

[kcdavid]

Please, Dont Preach about Religion on this Forum! If You Must Preach, then Preach to the Converted. This offends less and that is necessary in my opinion for scientific technological discussion.

Sorry, if I've said too much. I do apologize to you, Jesus is Lord, especially. You mean very well -- i Bet my paycheck. My father was a Baptist preacher and I went to Church all my life and I do know that Religious seminarys do teach preachers how to be scholars as well as informers, which is just as important as beliefs (or almost).

Also, this forum should be NON RELIGIOUS and NON POLITICAL in practice. It is intimidating to have to read Religious or Political viewpoints while focusing on the help from a post.

To me, this forum is an opportunity for pda and tech gadget lovers to discuss openly their love for pda and palm technology. Thank you for not being offended, all believers.

[clicclic]

Converting on the Mac is crazy-easy. Just use Handbrake to do it.

http://handbrake.m0k.org/


You can tell Handbrake how big you want the movie file to be. It's friggin' cake...

[kcdavid]

Are Macs great? Are Macs capable of turning apple ipods into pdas? Didn't want to start a new thread, sorry.

[kiteandcamera]

Please, Dont Preach about Religion on this Forum! If You Must Preach, then Preach to the Converted. This offends less and that is necessary in my opinion for scientific technological discussion.

Sorry, if I've said too much. I do apologize to you, Jesus is Lord, especially. You mean very well -- i Bet my paycheck. My father was a Baptist preacher and I went to Church all my life and I do know that Religious seminarys do teach preachers how to be scholars as well as informers, which is just as important as beliefs (or almost).

Also, this forum should be NON RELIGIOUS and NON POLITICAL in practice. It is intimidating to have to read Religious or Political viewpoints while focusing on the help from a post.

To me, this forum is an opportunity for pda and tech gadget lovers to discuss openly their love for pda and palm technology. Thank you for not being offended, all believers.

Well, that was a truly sensitive and enlightening post. Everyone on this forum has a right to create any type of signature they want regardless of your personal opinion. There is room for religion, politics, lust, food, beer, music, art and philosophy in technology. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable if the site administrators reviewed everyone's avatar and removed those that depict personal, non-technological preferences such as pics of the family, pets, sports teams, recreational activities, colleges, movies, cartoon characters and politicians.

Below is a sample of some signatures from forum members that are not religious in nature. Don't they make your skin crawl kcdavid?

It's not my fault: I voted for the other guy. (gyffes) Tragic Political Commentary

We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are.
-Anais Nin (bionic antboy) Social Philosophy is Scary

Palm&PPC can live side by side,
Fujitsu v70 Pocket PC Owner
Repect others views, even if they don`t repect yours.
Love Each Other And May Your God bless you. (ClieKun) Technology and Religious Conviction

always use a screen protector, she'll thank you in the morning. (ir803) Disgraceful Sexual Innuendo

dyslexics of the world UNTIE (Orincarnia) Making Fun of Medical Conditions

Sync automatcially, adjust brightness, sound and beam receive-AutoSync does it all:
http://www.tamoggemon.com/products/autosync/index.htm
Visit my blog at http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com to learn more about the PalmOS platform! (Tam Hanna) Shameless promotional statements

"Our forefathers would think it's time for a revolution. This is why they revolted in the first place...They revolted against much more mild oppression." - U.S. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) (winexprt) Another Political Viewpoint

Sting? I don't really listen to his music.
But I respect the fact that he is making it (LaStigmata) Upsetting Musical Opinion

Loosen up and get a life. BTW - Since we are recounting our personal beliefs; I am an athiest.

[kcdavid]

OK just discussing. You make a great point, kite and camera. Thanks for showing me this, (im way too sensitive, I know, will stick to what I know from now on). Sorry and thanks.

[dennis4ksu]

I have downloaded files via Handbrake and the video plays great using TCPMP but I don't get any sound. I get this message:

Error:
Player: MPEG4AAC Audio decoder not included! It was removed from the official install ....

Suggestions? and thanks.

dennis

[NarrowRoad]

I have downloaded files via Handbrake and the video plays great using TCPMP but I don't get any sound. I get this message:

Error:
Player: MPEG4AAC Audio decoder not included! It was removed from the official install ....

Suggestions? and thanks.

dennis


I'm not familiar with Handbrake but isn't there an option to rip the audio to MP3 format? That would solve your problem (for future rips).

Interestingly, the aac plugin for the PalmOS version of TCPMP is available, unlike for the ppc version. I don't know if it's legal to link to it, but Google should help.

[_Em]

The official release of TCPMP (0.72rc1) is missing two plugins: the AAC plugin, and the AVC (H.264) plugin. For your reference, the AAC plugin is called "TCPMP_AAC_plugin" and the AVC plugin is called "tcpmp_avc_plugin". They might be zipped, or in prc format. Each was included in an earlier beta release of TCPMP (0.71d and 0.71k respectively, IIRC). The AAC plugin is required to play any AAC audio, and the AVC plugin is required to play H.264 video (like what Apple encodes its video for iPods in). Of course, the AVC plugin will not actually play DRM'd AAC audio, and the AVC plugin will not play DRM'd H.264 video. They should play anything you've encoded yourself, however.

I recommend using Handbrake to extract the DVD to disk, and iSquint to encode to MP4 -- if you want to use H.264 (it's an option in iSquint), you'll end up with smaller files, but you'll need PXAClocker or WarpSpeed to make the video at all viewable; H.264 doesn't work very well at 312MHz. 520MHz should do fine. The tradeoff of course, is battery life vs filesize.

[NarrowRoad]

Em_ will TCPMP actually play QuickTime videos with the avc plugin?

[_Em]

If you mean will it play videos encapsulated in a MOV container, no. If you save them in an AVI container or an MPEG container, yes. Quicktime can't save in AVI containers, but it can save every MPEG-compliant format but mpeg-2 streams (unless you have QT Pro) in MPEG containers.

So in conclusion:
Quicktime supports exporting to: .mov, .dv and .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.
(With Flip4Mac, you might even be able to do wmv)
TCPMP supports reading: .avi and .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.
iSquint supports exporting to .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.
FFMPEGX/MPlayer/VLC support exporting to .avi and .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.

These are all container formats; the actual audio and video encoding inside are a seperate issue.

[NarrowRoad]

If you mean will it play videos encapsulated in a MOV container, no. If you save them in an AVI container or an MPEG container, yes. Quicktime can't save in AVI containers, but it can save every MPEG-compliant format but mpeg-2 streams (unless you have QT Pro) in MPEG containers.

So in conclusion:
Quicktime supports exporting to: .mov, .dv and .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.
(With Flip4Mac, you might even be able to do wmv)
TCPMP supports reading: .avi and .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.
iSquint supports exporting to .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.
FFMPEGX/MPlayer/VLC support exporting to .avi and .mpg/mp4/m4v/etc.

These are all container formats; the actual audio and video encoding inside are a seperate issue.


wow, i'm a little spotty on this stuff. I think I don't quite get the concept of 'container'. Does that mean I can just take a .Mov file and 'save as' .avi or .mpeg they'll play, or is there some conversion involved?

[_Em]

MOV, AVI, and MPG are "container" formats -- think of them as reels that hold the film. The containers are designed to fit a specific projector (Quicktime for MOV, the original MS Media Player for AVI, and video appliances for MPG). On these reels are films -- now, the framerate, kind of material, amount of light, encoding of audio, etc. don't care about the reel type, they just sit on it. The projector still needs to know how to deal with the specific encoded formats you've got there.

Quicktime makes this concept harder to figure out, because it merges all the parts into one big blob; it can encode some formats, decode others, and read from a variety of containers -- but it doesn't generally let you choose your container type when saving; you have the choice of MOV (if you're saving as a Quicktime movie, whatever encoding) MPG (if you "export" to MP4 video for example) and DV ("export" to DV Stream). In the case of exporting to MP4, Quicktime decides that you must want to comply to the ISO spec on MP4 containers, so it automatically chooses all the formatting for you, including using AAC to encode the audio.

So basicly, Quicktime doesn't let you "save as" .avi; any time you "save as", you're saving into an MOV container. You can save it with the video encoded MP4 and the audio encoded AAC, but it'll still be in a MOV container, and nothing but Quicktime can open these.

That's where the other programs like FFMpegX and the like come in, because they DO let you choose container format when you transcode; you can generally choose from AVI, MOV, and MPEG. You can also choose how the video and audio is encoded; not just what format, but all the specifics of how many frames, what resolution, how the data is laid out in the data stream, how compressed the data is, etc.

So, in summary: theoretically, there's no conversion involved; they're just packaged up inside a different file structure, with the same actual data inside. In practice however, most encoders/transcoders don't let you do this; they force you to actually re-encode each packet of data when switching between container types.

[rowillia]

I use Palm Media Studio. I just put a dvd into the computer, a couple of clicks and about a hour or so later, I have a 250-350 mB file to copy to the SD card and play with TCMCP. Very easy.

I downloaded the demo version of Palm Media Studio, http://www.soft32.com/download_167401.html, converted a DVD, transferred it to my SD card, and it worked like a champ on my TX! The conversion process couldn't have been any simpler.

Back in the day, I was able to download some samples for my Sony Clie NX-60, thanks to members of this site (Marcus, Cliepet, etc. under the ClieSource banner). But I remember finding the conversion process far too cumbersome.

The Palm Media Studio/TCMCP solution is sooooo easy! Thanks for helping me add yet another new capability to my Palm.

(I'm in the midst of converting to a new Mac, so hopefully the HandCrank product will offer a similar "ease of use" experience to my movie watching.)

[NarrowRoad]

MOV, AVI, and MPG are "container" formats -- think of them as reels that hold the film. The containers are designed to fit a specific projector (Quicktime for MOV, the original MS Media Player for AVI, and video appliances for MPG). On these reels are films -- now, the framerate, kind of material, amount of light, encoding of audio, etc. don't care about the reel type, they just sit on it. The projector still needs to know how to deal with the specific encoded formats you've got there.

Quicktime makes this concept harder to figure out, because it merges all the parts into one big blob; it can encode some formats, decode others, and read from a variety of containers -- but it doesn't generally let you choose your container type when saving; you have the choice of MOV (if you're saving as a Quicktime movie, whatever encoding) MPG (if you "export" to MP4 video for example) and DV ("export" to DV Stream). In the case of exporting to MP4, Quicktime decides that you must want to comply to the ISO spec on MP4 containers, so it automatically chooses all the formatting for you, including using AAC to encode the audio.

So basicly, Quicktime doesn't let you "save as" .avi; any time you "save as", you're saving into an MOV container. You can save it with the video encoded MP4 and the audio encoded AAC, but it'll still be in a MOV container, and nothing but Quicktime can open these.

That's where the other programs like FFMpegX and the like come in, because they DO let you choose container format when you transcode; you can generally choose from AVI, MOV, and MPEG. You can also choose how the video and audio is encoded; not just what format, but all the specifics of how many frames, what resolution, how the data is laid out in the data stream, how compressed the data is, etc.

So, in summary: theoretically, there's no conversion involved; they're just packaged up inside a different file structure, with the same actual data inside. In practice however, most encoders/transcoders don't let you do this; they force you to actually re-encode each packet of data when switching between container types.

Oh, ok, the reel analogy makes it a lot clearer, thanks!!