Turning off Clie Organizer and reverting back to....

[smoothjordan]

The regular Palm OS launcher. I love the palm OS launcher and PIM apps, wondering if it is at all possible to turn off clie organizer? I don't like the tabs when in the "applications" I want my regular palm os!!! Thanks in advance!

[dragonsgames]

I think there is an option in the drop-down menu... :o

[wellsjs]

Options/Clie Organizer Preferences - uncheck "Assign to Home" and "Back select tab." Then hit the "Home" button and you'll never see Clie Organizer again unless you launch it! ;)

NOTE: If you are then at the Clie Launcher view and you want the "Standard View," again go to the Clie Launcher Options menu and select "Go To Standard View."

[LanMan]

Under the Clie category you will find the Applications icon. This will take you to a simple Palm PIM launcher. You should be able to set your Home button to it as well.

[smoothjordan]

thanks wellsjs! I just need to put a vista picture in the background and I will be set. Anyone have any suggestions on how to do this?

[smoothjordan]

Under the Clie category you will find the Applications icon. This will take you to a simple Palm PIM launcher. You should be able to set your Home button to it as well.
Thanks very much! The only thing is I don't want that find button to be a find button, unfortunately, i don't have the option of making it into what i want it to launch. Oh well.

[wellsjs]

Just added a note to that effect . . . :)

[wellsjs]

Thanks very much! The only thing is I don't want that find button to be a find button, unfortunately, i don't have the option of making it into what i want it to launch. Oh well.No, unfortunantly, status bar buttons cannot be remapped, or I should say, have not been remapped by anyone yet.

For background images I recommend ZLauncher. For a programmable button I recommend QuickLaunch+ (part of ZLauncher). With it you can run applications, DAs, just about anything you want.

[DanT]

MSDict can remap the Find button in status bar to launch it. That is what I have currently.

I also do the swipe from the status bar home to menu icon to launch ZLauncher QLA, from menu to find to launch McPhling, and from find to menu to launch McPhling return to previous app command. Below is a screenshot of QLA (left) and McPhling (right) launched by the stylus swipes over the status bar icons. ;)

http://www.1src.com/gallery/data/500/2949DSC01474.JPG

[intellidryad]

Options/Clie Organizer Preferences - uncheck "Assign to Home" and "Back select tab." Then hit the "Home" button and you'll never see Clie Organizer again unless you launch it! ;)

NOTE: If you are then at the Clie Launcher view and you want the "Standard View," again go to the Clie Launcher Options menu and select "Go To Standard View."

Also, Go to Prefences and remap the hard buttons to the original PIM apps.
If you want to remap the 4th hard button(which calls up the clie org. find menu), try TheGo!Go!
(see this thread (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45293&page=1&pp=15) )

[smoothjordan]

SWEET! I read though that TheGo!go! slows down the th, true or false?

[wellsjs]

Personally, I'd steer clear of TheGo!Go!. Too many horror stories for me, but as usual, everyone's milage varies. I was going to add, but intellidryad got there first, that you can map hardware button #3 (ToDo) to any of the Clie Organizer selections available in the cofiguration of that button menu (Palm OS Prefs/Buttons).

[DanT]

I have no problem with THe Go! Go! It is the ONLY app that can map the CAPTURE button to toggle between Power on and Lock & Off. It also warns you when you forget to close the camera lens, maps the 4th button to any app, and maps the Voice Rec button to HotSync button. This app benefits outweigh any slowdown that some people had experience.

[LanMan]

I have no problem with THe Go! Go! It is the ONLY app that can map the CAPTURE button to toggle between Power on and Lock & Off. It also warns you when you forget to close the camera lens, maps the 4th button to any app, and maps the Voice Rec button to HotSync button. This app benefits outweigh any slowdown that some people had experience.

I thought that Shark717 had an ARM applet that would do the same thing but wouldn't slow the system?

[smoothjordan]

I thought that Shark717 had an ARM applet that would do the same thing but wouldn't slow the system?

I'm going to try and find that. I really want that app!

[DanT]

I thought that Shark717 had an ARM applet that would do the same thing but wouldn't slow the system?

It's called SharkBtn and it doesn't do the Power on and Lock & Off toggle. I asked Tyler to add it long time ago and still no answer to date. Only THe Go! Go! can do that so far. :(

I have to have the Security on (eversince I lost my Vx) and would like to turn off the Power from System Lockout screen. None of utility apps out there (Default Capture, SharkBtn, ZLauncher, etc.) can do this except THe Go! Go!

[smoothjordan]

Do both cost money or are they freeware? I'm realy curious, they sound pretty good!

[DanT]

Do both cost money or are they freeware? I'm realy curious, they sound pretty good!
Both of what? Sharkbtn (http://www.ludustech.com/sharkbtn/) costs $10. DefaultCapture (http://www.ogaoga.org/pukiwiki.php?DefaultCapture) and THe Go! Go! are free. You know ZLauncher. ;)

[Sharkk717]

after the next three LudusTech products are done (all are around or past beta) my focus will turn to SharkBtn. i promise it'll have a LOT of great stuff :D

cheers, tyler

[smoothjordan]

Hurry up sharkky!!! HAHAH j/k, but seriously... BTW< I never got the beta in email from you

[Sharkk717]

that would be becuase the beta is not done yet for SharkCuts :D

cheers, tyler

[smoothjordan]

LOL I thought you forgot about me!

[MrEnglish]

...QuickLaunch+ (part of ZLauncher). With it you can run applications, DAs, just about anything you want.

How do you put DAs on QuickLaunch+? I've used it for a long time but don't see my DAs listed when adding an app to the QL list.

Thanks, brother.

[DanT]

Go to DA tab. if you don't have one, build one, like the screenshot below. Then go to the DA you want to add to the QLA and do the following:
1. Tap and hold the icon to popup task window.
2. Tap on "Add To QL", the second one from the top.

http://www.1src.com/gallery/data/500/2949ZL_DA_Tab.jpg

[wellsjs]

MrEnglish,

Looks like the guru of DAs, DanT, got you fixed up before I saw your request. Hope that gets you where you want to be! ;)

[jj2me]

Thanks for these instructions, I've made the four Palm PIM appls. into shortcuts on the CO screen. Am still undecided on which way to PIM. Maybe Agendus 11.

For me, reasons to keep CO:
- Freenotes and that wonderful eraser that erases continuous lines
- Writing on Datebook, and simple erasing of all writing that day
- Icons on months view (use for special appts.)
- Dragging to move appts. within day view
- Nice block view of appts., with color, links to other content
- Today button (go to today)
- Pictures on address entries

Reasons to dump CO:
- To Do too slow to use - always 5 secs. to enter, 2-3 to leave
- No address entry search (i.e., via entering letter(s))
- Datebook view-with-ToDos bug: To Dos are in random order!
- Weekly arrows bug--often moves two weeks when tap once

[smoothjordan]

stupid palm desktop won't sync with standard pim, only clie organizer, adn I have dtbook5 that i purchasedbut it won't let me sync it over. How do i set it up to where it will sync with dbk5 rather than CO?

[wellsjs]

stupid palm desktop won't sync with standard pim, only clie organizer, adn I have dtbook5 that i purchasedbut it won't let me sync it over. How do i set it up to where it will sync with dbk5 rather than CO?Check ALL your settings. Clie Organizer uses the standard Palm PIM databases: AddressDB, DatebookDB, MemoDB, and ToDoDB, as do DateBk5 and Agendus Pro. None of them create separate databases. You shouldn't need anything special to sync between Palm Desktop and DateBk5. The same info in all four databases will/should always be viewable in DateBk5, CO and the native PIM apps.

[smoothjordan]

on the desktop i have it set to default, what would I do on ther to make it work?

EDIT: I've found neither are synchronizing, neither the standard PIM or CO, but ARE set to syncronize. What's going wrong?

[wellsjs]

Right click on the sync icon in your system tray (desktop) and check each PIM sync setting.

Also did you uninstall and reinstall Palm Desktop from your old device. If not, you should.

[smoothjordan]

I did. Now are you talking about the hotsync icon in my system tray? all of them say "Syncronize" and yet it still isn't!

[wellsjs]

Did you uninstall your Treo 650 Palm Desktop and install the Sony one?

[smoothjordan]

yes, and i just tried uninstalling and reinstalling the sony one 4 times, to no success. I even hard resetted and that didn't work either. Anyone have a t|x they will trade me?

[wellsjs]

What does your desktop hotsync log show? The only further suggestion I can offer is if you have access to another computer, try it on that one, preferably that has never had Palm Desktop on it. Did you get your TH55 used? Could it be a connector/cable issue? Try different ones if you have them. Sorry but my 1,500 mile screwdriver is running out of options. :(

[smoothjordan]

HotSync operation started 04/09/06 16:06:22
OK CLIE Organizer MMContent
OK CLIE Organizer FreeNotes
OK CLIE Organizer Addressbook
OK CLIE Organizer Memo
OK CLIE Organizer Datebook
OK CLIE Organizer Datebook
OK CLIE Organizer Datebook
OK CLIE Organizer Datebook
OK CLIE Organizer To Do
OK CLIE Organizer To Do

it says it's syncing, but it's not!

[wellsjs]

Did you install the "Clie Organizer for PC" software? If so, delete it and Palm Desktop. Do a registry clean if you have the ability/knowledge/application to do it. Then reinstall just the "Basic" (Palm Desktop) from the CD. Rename your Program Files/Sony Handheld/Username folder on your PC and start fresh. Try that. Good luck. ;)

[DanT]

That is one of many reasons I dumped Clie Organizer. If you do the right setup, the HotSync log should look like this:

HotSync operation started 04/09/06 20:01:23
OK Install
OK Inbox To Go
OK Date Book
OK Address Book
OK To Do List
OK Memo Pad
OK Documents To Go
.
.
.
etc.

[wellsjs]

Yup, I suspected that right away . . . Danno! :)

[smoothjordan]

THANKYOU SO MUCH!!!! I thought you had to install CO for Desktop! I just needed to clear the registry files, still had some left over from my LifeDrive!! (a few months ago)
Thanks again it works now!
Jordan

[wellsjs]

Cool dude! Now take back your desire to sell your TH55 in the other thread! :eek: :p

[smoothjordan]

HAHA, that's not why I'm selling it, but I appreciate your enthusiasm. I just need to get used to not having a dpad (very hard!!)

[DanT]

You should try to get used to the Jogdial, Left, Right and Back buttons, you know, the ones on the same palm of your hand that holding the TH. You'll be amaze of how handy the TH is with one-hand operation while eating sandwich on the other hand during lunch break. Try that with TX. ;)

[wellsjs]

Funny this should come up. Yesterday I was reading something on mine while another person was following along as I read aloud. Since you can page forward with the jogdial without any noticable movement of hand (which is holding the PDA), when we got to the bottom of the page and I paged forward, this person exclaimed, "How did it know we were at the bottom of the page?" :D

[DanT]

The Magic of Sony technology! ;)

Too bad Sony left us high and dry when its best design came out.

BTW with Zlauncher, THe Go! Go!, and LClipDA, I can power on, enter password for the System Lockout, launch 1src mobile page, enter username and password of 1src mobile, all with one hand while eating sandwich with the other hand. Try that with TX. :D

[intellidryad]

The Magic of Sony technology! ;)

Too bad Sony left us high and dry when its best design came out.

BTW with Zlauncher, THe Go! Go!, and LClipDA, I can power on, enter password for the System Lockout, launch 1src mobile page, enter username and password of 1src mobile, all with one hand while eating sandwich with the other hand. Try that with TX. :D
Wow! Guess I should try LClipDA again. But I'd not like to keep my passwords on a clipboard, people could see it if they know how.

By the way, with KeyQuick, I could select buttons with the jogdial, just as the "one handed operation" Palm has been doing with the D-pad. I could also launch a menu of frequently used apps and audio controls (emulates the NX/VZ audio remote) from the capture button.

I do all sorts of things on my TH while eating noodles, I'll try a sandwich next time :D

[intellidryad]

...
Reasons to dump CO:
- To Do too slow to use - always 5 secs. to enter, 2-3 to leave
- No address entry search (i.e., via entering letter(s))
- Datebook view-with-ToDos bug: To Dos are in random order!
- Weekly arrows bug--often moves two weeks when tap once
Your post seems to be flooded :)

-My CO To Do list takes only 2 secs to enter. Sure, slower then the original on my NX, but acceptable for the good looks.
-Address entry search doesn't makes sense with Japanese nor Chinese names (writing charactors takes longer then just finding it by catagory). So the Japanese took it out and added tabs.
-The To Dos aren't in random order. You move them around in CO's to-do tab. By default, the newest added entry is on the top of the list. Although I prefer the old Palm's way of sorting entries.
- Weekly arrows bug: Yeah, it's annoying. Use the L/R buttons on the back instead.

[DanT]

Wow! Guess I should try LClipDA again. But I'd not like to keep my passwords on a clipboard, people could see it if they know how.
...
I do all sorts of things on my TH while eating noodles, I'll try a sandwich next time :D

My take on this is it is better than no security. He must be lucky and knows, not only how PalmOS works, but also how DAs work.

Now back to breaking the codes, first he has to figure out which of 12 hard buttons to push to power on and launch QLA. Second, if he is lucky enough to press the right button, then there are 15 apps to choose in QLA when it pops up with VG up. Third, if he still lucky enough to guess that my password is in LClipDA, then there are 10 items to guess.

The chances that I am that unlucky to leave my PDA for the second time and ending up on the hands of this type of person, is pretty slim. Losing my Vx was the wake up call. Outside my house, this baby stays in my pocket or hands.

BTW, I eat noodles with chopsticks on my left hand while surfing the net with TH on my right hand too sometime. ;)

[jj2me]

-My CO To Do list takes only 2 secs to enter. Sure, slower then the original on my NX, but acceptable for the good looks.
-Address entry search doesn't makes sense with Japanese nor Chinese names (writing charactors takes longer then just finding it by catagory). So the Japanese took it out and added tabs.
-The To Dos aren't in random order. You move them around in CO's to-do tab. By default, the newest added entry is on the top of the list. Although I prefer the old Palm's way of sorting entries.
...

Ah, thanks much, I could never figure out that order. I added a To Do, and it became the bottom entry of the list. But being stuck with a list of To Dos compiled from all categories (Category "All"), in chronological order from oldest to newest, is pretty much useless. In my case, I have a To Do category with a list of things that repeat every summer at a summer house, so they have been migrating to oldest (top of "All" list) where they're useless most of the year, when what I really want to see is my "This Week" category on the Daily half-view.

My CO To Do list never opens in less than 5 secs., always 5-6 secs. So the above becomes moot, using the old usability metric of 3 sec. or less for an operator to get some response from a command. Not that I need a metric--at around 5 secs. of holding a poised stylus one gets anxious for something to happen!

These two problems make me want to give up on the otherwise great built-in To Do functionality that links to Datebook and freenotes. That's a big (1/4) loss of the basic PIM features with CO. It's the usefulness of those basic PIM functions that are why many of us love our PDAs so much (any why I still haven't fully migrated from an SJ20, which accesses the 4 built-in PIM apps so simply and quickly with four dedicated buttons).

Thanks also for the language explanation, that makes sense from a Sony design viewpoint, meeting worldwide needs.

[dbrich]

I do not understand the lag in time you have with the To Do list. How big a list/file size are you carrying? I ask this because mine opens in just under two seconds.
After I complete a to do I delete it with in several days.

I also do not understand why people have trouble using the fourth button for the address search/ to do search/Free notes search, etc. Like the linking function of the free notes application this too is a very strong part of the CO program. Write a Name in one of the to do items and just highlight it, press the fourth button to search address.

When I used 4.0 palm OS I used Linker App to link all my different apps. Sony just used a different approach to do the same.

[jj2me]

I do not understand the lag in time you have with the To Do list. How big a list/file size are you carrying? I ask this because mine opens in just under two seconds.
After I complete a to do I delete it with in several days.

I also do not understand why people have trouble using the fourth button for the address search/ to do search/Free notes search, etc. Like the linking function of the free notes application this too is a very strong part of the CO program. Write a Name in one of the to do items and just highlight it, press the fourth button to search address.

When I used 4.0 palm OS I used Linker App to link all my different apps. Sony just used a different approach to do the same.

Thanks for your interest, I would love to solve this, and maybe it's the number of To Do items: I have 11 categories, total 298 To Do items. The largest category contains 81 To Do items, which I'd like to keep (a recurring checklist). The others I can pare down if the number of items is the problem.

And thanks for the direction about the 4th button. You're right, I'm in the population of people who missed realizing that the 4th button gave me the search I wanted. I can't help you to understand why we miss this and generally underuse this button, without disparaging myself!

[dbrich]

The number of to do's can be kept low on your handheld by using the palm desk top tool, options which gives you the ability to archive deleted to dos. You'll still have your recurring checklist on the desktop when you need it. Hope this helps.

[MrEnglish]

Thanks, DanT and wellsjs! Putting DAs on QLA is great!! It'll save me taps, which can really add up. I use RakuDA a lot to save time, and this will save even more!

Anyone else who hasn't tried this, look back on page 2 of this thread.