who switch from palm to others platform ??

[neogin]

i tried pocket pc .. wm2003se and wm5 .. omg .. what a crappy os out there .. but i don't have much choices .. palm doesnt go well on pda phone .. wm2003 and wm5 .. give me so much headache .. slow .. freeze .. hard reset .. crappy software .. oh dear ..

i still remember the day that sony just released nr70 nx70 nx80 .. my best time with palm there .. farewell palm ..

[cybersony]

After 10 year of love withe palm and more than 8'000 $ in Hardware and Software I decide to go pocket PC. Since Sony left the game I can't see any exciting news on palm os. I don't like MS but they still work on the os. 640x480, WLAN .g, graphic, .......

Sorry PALM but is not my fault !!

[harpgliss]

Hi,

I am a recent migrant and could not disagree more on the "what a crappy os" comment but each to their own.

It is about expectations that make one not like the OS.

you are probably not well served if you compare one OS to the other.

They are apples and oranges from my observations to this point.

David

[JAmerican]

Hi,

I am a recent migrant and could not disagree more on the "what a crappy os" comment but each to their own.

It is about expectations that make one not like the OS.

you are probably not well served if you compare one OS to the other.

They are apples and oranges from my observations to this point.

David

I wish I could make the leap to a WM device like you have but the only devices out that I really like are the Dell Axims and they are expensive beyond belief. Don't forget the small buttons on the device. Being a user of the Windows OS, I know that certain software is needed for Windows to run while connected to the web. If the same issues occur while I'm on a WM device installing Freeware, that would suck. This is what keeps me away from it. The fear of all my data just going away due to freeware or other applications. Its bloated nature is also a little annoying.

JAmerican

[big_raji]

I wish I could make the leap to a WM device like you have but the only devices out that I really like are the Dell Axims and they are expensive beyond belief.
JAmerican

Expensive beyond belief?

I paid $999 CAD plus taxes for my UX50 2 years ago.

Just a couple of days ago, I bought the Axim x51v for $310 CAD including taxes and shipping.

Dell always has a sale. You just have to be at the right place at the right time. :)

I'm looking forward to my new Axim. I've done so much damn tweaking on my UX50 to get it working just the way I want. I've spent so much time on it that it's much more of a time-waster than a time-manager.

I guess it's time to list my UX50 on ebay. <sigh> I'll miss the thumbboard, but not much else.

[neogin]

farewell all palm .. i still remember your superman logo on your clie very beginning that u got it .. if i am right .. i think u have it on your previous nx or else, right ??

oh .. i just got new pocket pc phone .. dopod 818 WM5 .. it's charging now ..

[AdamaDBrown]

I wish I could make the leap to a WM device like you have but the only devices out that I really like are the Dell Axims and they are expensive beyond belief.

Um? You can get the X51v for under $300.

Don't forget the small buttons on the device. Being a user of the Windows OS, I know that certain software is needed for Windows to run while connected to the web. If the same issues occur while I'm on a WM device installing Freeware, that would suck. This is what keeps me away from it. The fear of all my data just going away due to freeware or other applications.

I have no idea what you mean, but you can't lose data just from installing programs unless the program is so incompatible that you're forced to hard reset, which is rare to the point of being nearly nonexistent.

[ntw1103]

I switched a couple weeks ago to a Zaurus sl-c860 running Linux. I alomst switched to and Axim x51v, but I didn't think I would be able to use a pda without a keyboard. I have been very happy with it. it is a lot more stable than my NX, and the battery lasts longer, but I miss some of the programs.

[big_raji]

farewell all palm .. i still remember your superman logo on your clie very beginning that u got it .. if i am right .. i think u have it on your previous nx or else, right ??

oh .. i just got new pocket pc phone .. dopod 818 WM5 .. it's charging now ..

Great memory. :) Yeah, I had the superman logo on my NR70, as well as my short-lived TG50. It looks like it'll retire on my UX50.

My MS slot is so finicky, and my battery lasts a measly 30min w/Wifi as compared to about 2 hours when I first got it. Probably not a good thing to say if I'm planning on selling it, possibly on this board. :)

I don't have the same "thrill" about receiving my Axim as I did with all my different Clies and Palms, just a sigh of regret in changing over. But hey, the price of the new Axim was pretty damn close to the price of fixing up my UX. Who knows, I may still use my UX on occasion.

[skaf]

I was just about to buy an HP ipaq hx2190 two weeks ago, but was told that it's only available in French (Here in Belgium, they usually have it in Dutch, French or English), so I spontaneously went for the TX. I knew I was really asking for trouble when I got it, having already had the famous screen whine on my Tungsten E2. It exists on my device, too, but it's bearable. Despite that, I don't think I could have made a better choice. No PocketPC out there offers HVGA, BT, WLAN, good battery life and 100 MB of memory for around 350€.
As harpgliss pointed out, you need to find out what you want the device for. PalmOS does not make any huge technological leaps, but instead concentrates on providing a sleek, straightforward and almost foolproof interface for you to work with.
Windows Mobile is bound to provide you with the same technological advances as Windows PCs do. You have your start button, MSN messenger, Word, Excel etc. and can make more advanced settings e.g. concerning energy consumption, but this comes at the price of stability and battery life. Also, you need .CAB files to install programs. I don't know why this is brought up very often, but using these install files means you can't simply beam an installed program to your co-worker's device.

I have to admit that I am a bit jealous when I see some programs that come out for PPC, especially some navigation solutions which are not released for PalmOS. I then just ask myself whether I REALLY need this, and the answer is usually NO. I think that people at some point will start switching to Palm again (due to Microsoft's OS monopoly, ActiveSync issues, almost no possibility of syncing with Linux/MacOS etc.)

[big_raji]

I've been using my x51v for over a week now. I must say that I'm very pleased.

Highlights:

Beautiful Display
Styletap (PalmOS Emu) works for the programs I want (or don't want to re-purchase for PPC)
Nice PPC alternatives for other PalmOS software
Easier synch with common desktop programs
Great video playback with TPCMP
Great games (3D Accelerated too!)
Calligrapher fixed the crappy default handwriting recognition
Hotmail!
Skype!
Age of Empires!
Much less tweaking required, but more tweaking available than on PalmOS.


Lowlights:

Odd hangups and crashes (about 3 soft resets a day!)
PPC alternative software is expensive compared to PalmOS equivalents
Battery life is better than UX, but still not that great
No keyboard


In general, I'm quite happy with my upgrade. Styletap is a suitable PalmOS emulator, but it doesn't work with conduits at all. I'm dreading the trial deadline of alot of the PPC software I've installed, since the average PPC program is about $30, whereas the average PalmOS program is about $20. Plus, all the PalmOS software I've paid for basically go down the toilet.

[Jon_J]

Well, I switched 4 months ago.
I got the Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100
I still have, and occasionally use my Palm Zire 72
But what I like about the Zaurus, is that it can do a lot of things that a laptop can do.
I have never owned a laptop, but I like the Zaurus's capability to interface with other PCs.
Also it's my first experience with Linux and has been a great learning tool for Linux,
(though the filesystem on a Zaurus is a lot different than a "standard" Linux filesystem)

Jon

[zackepceo]

I couldn't possibly move to Windows Mobile, I hate how it all works, even though it's much better with 5. If I ever move to another smartphone OS, then it will be Symbian S60.

[RMCF]

Switched to Pocket PC (2003SE). Don't like it.
Switched back to Palm OS (with the new flash memory Palms). Don't like it.
Want to switch back to the good old POS5.

[Kyle-]

I switched from a Sony TH55 to an old, old, Jornada 680 with Windows CE 2.11 and I love it. It's like running running Windows 95 on a little laptop. For what I need, it's perfect. I spent a lot of time trying to get my TH55 to be a portable word processor / email machine and it never felt right (square peg, round hole).

I can touch type on the Jornada, the OS works fine, and I even installed a full statistics program (Simstat for DOS) using a DOS emulator. It rocks. Best of all, I got it for 105 bucks shipped including a 32mb CF card and an Orinoco Gold wireless card. Woot!

[MegaManXcalibur]

I've tried several Windows Mobile (or Pocket PC in the case of older versions) devices (2, 2003 SE, and 5) and I always end up coming back to Palm. Granted Windows Mobile 2002 and 2003 SE weren't horrible operating systems but they just didn't work as well for me as Palm OS (not to mention the Windows Mobile interface is pretty bad compared to Palm OS's).

Windows Mobile 5 on the other hand was downright horrible and I dare say the worst PDA OS to ever grace our devices. Maybe it was just the model of PDA I had (a Dell Axim x51v) but when you press the power button it takes anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds before the system responds to input, the alarms refused to actually go off when I set them (which is a huge issue for me since my PDA is always my alarm clock), and the 802.1x client (Odyssey) keept crashing every time I started the device. Needless to say I ended up going back to Palm again.

I know Palm OS isn't evolving any but it works for me and that's the most important thing to me. I'm really looking forward to some form of Linux coming to handhelds. I'd have purchased a Zaurus but the only one with built in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth was very expensive at the time and quite large, not to mention there was no way to connect to 802.1x networks. Sadly I don't think there will be much in the way of innovations in the PDA market any longer, it seems like companies have moved onto smart phones (which is a rather sad thing considering I love PDAs but hate cell phones).

[jomo]

I care far less about "evolution" of an OS than useability. Ironically, the Zaurus OS spends much too much time evolving for my liking. They never really write any useful apps. Everybody's working on the OS constantly. Everything was in an eternal "beta" state. To make it worse, the few "shrink-wrap" quality titles they had all had more or less ceased development before being feature-rich/bug fixed. It was like dealing with a hundred ants all scurrying in different directions at once. My Zaurus SL-C860 decided to fry in my pocket one day. I sent it back and was given an SL-C3000 as a replacement. That was even worse. No-one bothered doing any OS-work on it at all. It was an orphan as soon as the SL-C3100 came out. I bought a Life-Drive. It does all the things that a PDA should do Out of the Box. No tinkering. No hunting for software. It just worked. If I had known it was coming out, I would have kept my Clie until the Life Drive came out. It would have spared me an expensive side-trip.

[Pdaman]

some questions here. i hope you guys awnser to all.
1.any good comments about windows mobile?
2.does anyone have wm5 which doesn't crash so much as 3 times day?
3.and which is the most stable windows mobile version?

[foghead]

some questions here. i hope you guys awnser to all.
1.any good comments about windows mobile?
2.does anyone have wm5 which doesn't crash so much as 3 times day?
3.and which is the most stable windows mobile version?

1. I prefer it to Palm OS. The difference is the apps that I install on each platform to make is usable. On a Palm OS device, I immediately install lots of apps to extend the OS and try to make it seem more powerful. On WM, I install app to expose the power that is already there. The difference should be apparent.

2. Yes, Treo 700W (especially since the patch came out) - have nothad to reboot since then. Also the Cingular 8125 is incredibly stable. Not to mention my iMate SP5m (WM5 SmartPhone - same as Cingular 2125) - never needs to be rebooted. Also my Pharos GPS525 WM5, GPS PDA is very, very stable.

The only WM5 devices that I have used that were not stable are ones like the Dell X50v and X51v that were really designed for wm 2003 and not WM5. the X51v never shipped with WM2003, but is really just the X50v with a different type of and more flash. Dell has not really made a huge effort on this device anyway.

3. WM5 is actually very stable now that the second release is out, devices are shipping that were designed for it and software has been converted to run properly on it. I would say that it is at least as stable if not more so than Palm OS.

WM2003 Se is also very stable, but it is a dead-end at this point in time.

[cure]

Does anyone have any experince using the Symbian OS? There are some interesting Sony Ericsson smartphones that are coming out which are running this OS, and they seem to be fairly powerful out of the box. I've got a TREO 650 and have been using POS for many years, and wonder how steep the learning curve is for the new OS. I like some of the features of these new SE phones, but wonder how much different day to day operation will be.

I've been reading some sites like allaboutsymbian.com and the like, trying to get a feel for the differences, and I probably just need more time to sift through some of the discussions.

By the way, I tried to switch to WM 2003 for a while, and got pretty frustrated with the whole affair. Granted it was the smartphone edition, which is inherently limited, but I ended up with a Treo instead of the Audiovox smt 5600.

I guess the reason I'm thinking about switching to another OS is that the Treo 700p wasn't all that impressive to me, and I'm getting a little impatient with these new Palm OS devices, but no new Palm OS. Perhaps I just need to be a little more patient, and the new palm n linux solution will be incredible....

[skaf]

I have played around quite a few times with a friend's Nokia phone with Symbian on it. I can say that it is quite stable and user-friendly. There are however some problems which you may want to consider.

- multitasking has some minor glitches. That is, I repeatedly got "low memory" alert because I had about 15 programs running in the background. Symbian does not close these automatically, you have to do so manually through the task manager. Also, the file manager will refuse to delete a file if it is in use by any other application, which means that you have to close that application first.
- installing applications: Symbian uses .sis files, which work pretty much like .exe installers on Windows or .cab files on Windows Mobile. The downside here is that, contrary to PalmOS, applications consist of several files in several folders. You cannot beam/send apps to other devices. Even if you have the original .sis file, Nokia has implemented some sort of copy protection into the file send system, which subsequently prevents you from sending these files through any means (be it Bluetooth, Infrared, MMS or email).
- viruses: Last year, some viruses for Symbian OS came out. Although they were mostly proof of concept viruses, it is expected that their number will increase. There are several anti virus apps for Symbian, one of them being F-Secure.

I hope this helps somehow. Bear in mind that the OSes used by Nokia and SE differ. SE uses Symbian UIQ, which differs in its menu style from Nokia, but I think they have the same subsystem.

[cure]

I have played around quite a few times with a friend's Nokia phone with Symbian on it. I can say that it is quite stable and user-friendly. There are however some problems which you may want to consider.

- multitasking has some minor glitches. That is, I repeatedly got "low memory" alert because I had about 15 programs running in the background. Symbian does not close these automatically, you have to do so manually through the task manager. Also, the file manager will refuse to delete a file if it is in use by any other application, which means that you have to close that application first.
- installing applications: Symbian uses .sis files, which work pretty much like .exe installers on Windows or .cab files on Windows Mobile. The downside here is that, contrary to PalmOS, applications consist of several files in several folders. You cannot beam/send apps to other devices. Even if you have the original .sis file, Nokia has implemented some sort of copy protection into the file send system, which subsequently prevents you from sending these files through any means (be it Bluetooth, Infrared, MMS or email).
- viruses: Last year, some viruses for Symbian OS came out. Although they were mostly proof of concept viruses, it is expected that their number will increase. There are several anti virus apps for Symbian, one of them being F-Secure.

I hope this helps somehow. Bear in mind that the OSes used by Nokia and SE differ. SE uses Symbian UIQ, which differs in its menu style from Nokia, but I think they have the same subsystem.

Thanks, skaf!

This is pretty helpful actually... I've been lookin at the M600 by SE which is coming out soon. I think one of the things that appeals to me about this phone is that supports blackberry connect, and I might be in a situation where I have to have sth that supports this soon. I'd rather not carry around a BB, as they mostly look like arse in my opinion. And as I'd be in a corporate environment where cameras are not allowed, this would be an excellent option.

I think I'll just have to read up a bit on the UIQ devices to get some feel for how they operate. Guess I should also go play with some somewhere, maybe a phone kiosk or something....

Can anyone offer up some links for good resources for symbian phones in general and UIQ in particular?

[Legodude522]

I'm still loving my Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000. My USB host adapter will arrive Tuesday :D