1src Forums - So Who's Planning To Buy Windows Vista On Launch Day?

wellsjs

03-10-2006, 12:12 AM

I have bought or already been in beta before launch day on Windows 98, ME, and XP. I don't think I'll do that this time around. I just saw an article that claims Vista requires 800 Meg of physical memory IN IDLE MODE! :eek: I think 90% of the PCs people are running today are obsolete as far as Windows Vista is concerned! :(

Joel

03-10-2006, 01:04 AM

I've decided long ago that XP would be my last OS.

Cyker

03-10-2006, 01:48 AM

Wellsjs - I suspect that's probably FUD about the 800MB thing, just like Microsofts claims of similar with Linux.

But nope, I ain't touching it.
Heck, at the moment, the only reason I got Win2k is that a lot of companies are DELIBERATLEY coding their stuff so it doesn't work in Win98, and Microsoft are just not back-porting anything to obsolece it.
The problem with my exposure to Linux is that I *know* it is possible to backport things to an older revision of a kernel, so it irritates me that they try to force upgrades by not doing it - They know that hardly anyone will buy Vista for the new interface, espescially businesses (It means they need to retrain), but they have to otherwise they can't use new tech.

I long decided that I can't let my OS be controlled by a single company, because that essentially means they've got you by the short and curlies, which is why I'm trying to shift over to Linux more and more.
The last but large hurdle is Games - I think this is why MS are making Halo2 only run on Vista despite there being NO technical reason at all for it; They know that for standard Officey stuff, Linux can now beat them and not require companies to upgrade and re-pay licences constantly, but the last area they still have a big edge in is Games.

filber

03-10-2006, 02:19 AM

I've decided long ago that XP would be my last OS.
Same here.

jjesusfreak01

03-10-2006, 06:15 AM

Remember though, when Vista comes out, most applications will switch over to the new API framework, which will only be ported back to XP. That means, if you dont have XP when Vista launches, prepare to stick with your old software.

And yes, 800MB for idle mode is pretty stupid, except they are probably referring to Vistas sleep mode (like what OSX has), which means they were just writing in something in that article for the sake of making Vista sound bad when in fact they didnt really say anything.

JackAxe

03-10-2006, 02:46 PM

After quiting Maya, Flash, Photoshop, mail and Safari; ( I'm going to restart later to check the difference, since OS X caches many apps, for quick relaunch.)

My G5 idle, uses 860 Megs of RAM, with about 300 megs set to inactive. It has 5 Gigs of RAM. My G4 Powerbook idle, uses 266 Megs of RAM, with about 120 Megs of that set to inactive. It has 1 Gig of RAM.

So if Vista is like OS X, then the more physical memory you have, the more
ram it needs idle. Also, if you're using greater than 32-bit addressing, it will need even more RAM.

How much ram did this Vista system have?

I for one will not be moving to Vista anytime soon. I would only migrate if I absolutely had to, meaning it was required for me to complete a task.

<]=)

zackepceo

03-10-2006, 02:51 PM

I'll probably get it from work just to learn how to fix its nuances for customers, but OS X is definately going to stay my main OS.

ntw1103

03-10-2006, 05:51 PM

Never!!! okay I should not say never, I am useing XP now, but only because my school does not support linux.

firelord901

03-10-2006, 06:27 PM

well ive expirience both OSX becuz r schools gives us G4s and win xp. I prefer win xp. i find it more user friendly but im probably not going to get vista, at least on launch day. If i do its becuz i want to play halo. I'll probably be switchin to either linux or gettin a new laptop with vista on it

SamuraiCatJB

03-10-2006, 08:03 PM

I'll dual boot it, but when will be determined by
A) time
B) Money
C) desire to sleep
D) reviews/bugs

it will most probably not be on launch day.

JackAxe

03-11-2006, 04:49 AM

I found out that Vista doesn't support EFI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface) , which I thought was becoming a standard and would move computers forward, so I guess I won't be installing it at all. XP 64 works with EFI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface) , but I couldn't imagine using an OS that's even more of a clunker than XP. But then again, at least I could install my geometry convertor onto it and it would be right there when I needed it. But I really wouldn't want it dirtying up my HDD, which seems to be inherent with MS products.

Why even buy a MS OS? I know peeps that work in MIS, who'm get multi-user installs. ¬¬

<]=)

SamuraiCatJB

03-11-2006, 06:13 AM

A) I am in a state-of-the-art field so it kind of requires me to keep up to date.
B) I am already running triple boot, prepping for quad-boot to run vista.
C) I already have all the requirements and extra disks, so why not?

i am already running XP64, Mepis Linux, and XP. I will probably be loading FreeBSD after some interest in it at work. I will probably move my images around based on Vista requirements.

These are my "spare" drives, or current OS images:
37gig Raptor, Windows XP64
74gig Raptor, Mepis
150gig Raptor, Windows XP primary image
2x200gig normal speed drives are spare, one holds an image of my last XP image.

jjesusfreak01

03-11-2006, 06:29 AM

shieldvideo

03-11-2006, 10:21 AM

1. I won't buy vista myself unless I get a new computer that comes with it.
2. Same thing at work... Only, I can't buy it until the network ppl OK it.
3. At work, they don''t allow dual boot on the network.
4. We have two G5s. I use one occasionally. It crashes 5 times more often then any of my XP boxes. In fact. I don't remember more then on or two times it didn't have a problem.
5. They don't allow linux to be on the network at work either because of "security issues" I work in an Engineering department at a university. No other "college" on campus has these anal policies.

zackepceo

03-11-2006, 01:59 PM

Dont think someone wont figure out how to fix the EFI thing within a couple weeks. You shouldnt have been able to boot XP on a MacBookPro, but its been done already...

SC, you could probably drop the XP64 install when you get Vista. I cant imagine there is any use keeping them both.
EFI isn't just a "hack-and-go" thing to support. Most low-level routines have to be rewritten, and I can't see that happening for Vista very quickly. For all we know, it could have taken Apple years to port Marklar from BIOS to EFI.
As for the XP on Macbook Pro thing, no, it's not booting on it. See http://windowsxp.onmac.net/The%20Contest.html and http://applexnet.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1701

jjesusfreak01

03-11-2006, 04:11 PM

EFI isn't just a "hack-and-go" thing to support. Most low-level routines have to be rewritten, and I can't see that happening for Vista very quickly. For all we know, it could have taken Apple years to port Marklar from BIOS to EFI.
As for the XP on Macbook Pro thing, no, it's not booting on it. See http://windowsxp.onmac.net/The%20Contest.html and http://applexnet.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1701
I think you may be right. The one site that was saying it was possible was just giving the theoretical method (upon second inspection).

Tam Hanna

03-11-2006, 05:12 PM

I'm just getting my new noterbook set up with Fedora Core. Linux is too great a game...

JackAxe

03-11-2006, 06:14 PM

I only need a PC for converting Indeo videos and 3D models, so since VPC will no longer needs to do full emulation on an Intel Mac, if MS updates it to take advantage of this, and offers DX3D support, I'll give them more money. If they want to bring Vista to the Mac, they'll need to offer DX3D support. So this Intel switch and Vista thing are actually looking to be a good thing for me, since they'll allow me to finally work 100% mobile when doing 3D projects.

Shieldvideo, The only G5 I've personally known to crash on a regular basis had a hardware problem, because of a bad memory chip, which my friend bought from a 3rd party vendor. Once he figured that out, his system ran stable as all of our Macs do. You should probably look into running an "Extensive Hardware Test" on this G5. And even then, that might not find the problem, it didn't for my friend.

Given that both a Mac and PC have good hardware, you'll be hard pressed, to find a situation where the XP PC is more reliable than an OS X Mac, especially for running multiple apps. Hence MS is building Vista, which should eventually bring the same level of reliability that Macs have offered for years, to the PC.

<]=)

SamuraiCatJB

03-11-2006, 07:43 PM

Dont think someone wont figure out how to fix the EFI thing within a couple weeks. You shouldnt have been able to boot XP on a MacBookPro, but its been done already...

SC, you could probably drop the XP64 install when you get Vista. I cant imagine there is any use keeping them both.

I won't keep it... but it is currently on my smallest disk.... I will probably want Linux moved to that disk and Vista running on the 74gig at least. Or put XP on the 74 and Vista on the 150.... Anyhow, I will still be running four images because I will be running Mepis and FreeBSD in addition to the two Microsoft OS images.

SamuraiCatJB

03-11-2006, 07:46 PM

Given that both a Mac and PC have good hardware, you'll be hard pressed, to find a situation where the XP PC is more reliable than an OS X Mac, especially for running multiple apps. Hence MS is building Vista, which should eventually bring the same level of reliability that Macs have offered for years, to the PC.

<]=)

Especially now that Macs are finally running on good hardware.... :p

*ducks and runs*

JackAxe

03-12-2006, 04:09 AM

*ducks and runs...* *Into me, whom was already doing the same.* :p

We'll see, but prospects as of now look really good. I'm sitll an AMD peep though. :)

<]=)

wellsjs

03-24-2006, 04:17 PM

Hadn't visited this thread since I kicked it off. Interesting comments. Thanks for all your insights. You reaffirm that I'm not going to jump on the Vista bandwagon day one! ;)

BennieBoi

04-10-2006, 06:55 PM

JackAxe

04-10-2006, 07:29 PM

You don't need a 15k drive just to boot an OS. :D XP boots quickly even on old ATA 66, so if Vistard requires a 15k drive just to boot up even remotely as decent, then MS SHOULD BE SHOT!!!! Well, they should be shot anyway, since their new, but already-to-late-OS requires more hoarse power than most games do, just to run; That's pathetic.

37 Gigs is not enough for video, well at least not for procution work. If that's your deal, then you should invest in a Mac, this also goes for music, especially for music recording. Games, stick wtih the PC, but generally a game setup is too "noisy" for for music production, so take that into account when building your PC.

2 much-larger SATA 7200 RPM drives and more "RAM" would provide a better overal performance gain than one 15k drive. A 15k drive is an overkill for most peeps. But if it's what you want, then go for it. ;)

<]=)

SamuraiCatJB

04-10-2006, 10:41 PM

hey, im going to be building a computer next year and it will be quite advanced because im gonna use it for gaming, music/video, and music recording. I am also planning to get Vista, but not immediately (once it is 'cleaned' up a bit). I want the computer to be very fast and i was wondering if anyone knows if i got a 36.7 GB 15,000 rpm hard drive, just for vista (to boot with), if that is enough memory space and if its worth it. thanks - ben

the 15k rpm drives are only SCSI still, very very expensive. You might be better off using a RAID 0 of 10krpm drives for storage (given that RAID 0 increases the chance of data loss you will want a backup drive too).

If you want speed, go for one or two of the new 150gig 10krpm drives, or alternately go for constant speed and large storage of the 7200rpm SATAII drives (faster than other 7200rpm drives, but slower than 10krpm drives).