Uncache - anyone??

[SoS]

anyone tried uncache (http://www.palmpowerups.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9) on LD yet??

:confused:

[_Em]

It was tested on the LD before release. Just remember to add any apps that apply system-wide changes to your Palm.

[rkadowns]

I'm not completely sure I understand how this would be useful to me. Would anyone be willing to elaborate?

[ptmin]

HI
It will be great if we have more info on its use with the LD, i had some serious crashes and could not find the issue so i had to remove it, and removing it was a problem because some extentions remain in the ram so i had to do HD reset to recover.
Blazer is the only reason i wanted to try it to solve the not enough memory issue, i will like to here your experiences in other to give it a second try if anyone had it working correctly with positive results.

[_Em]

Please read the other threads, as well as the built-in help. UnCache has one simple function, which in turn affects a lot of features on the Palm (including freeing up DBCache on devices that have it). From the built-in help:

Select the applications that should be notified of [a] reset. The less [that] are selected, the faster [your Palm will boot], and the more free DBCache there will be on NVFS devices [LD, TX, T650, etc.]. Most backup, alarm, and hack-like applications should be enabled or they will not work. It is fine to have applications in the list that are [not] on the device ([such as] the default set of apps)[;] this will not [adversely affect] performance.

I'll add that any third party drivers that are in app-form in RAM must also be added, or you will have stability issues. Any application that does something outside of its own application space (when other things are running in the foreground) must be added to perform these functions.

[pippadid]

Hi, I would also like to know how to uninstall it. I tried it not knowing it was shareware. I am also not bright enough, I'm sure, to get all the advantages out of it and understand what it is doing. It seems to leave a file named "uncacheExt". It also gave me error messages when I tried to delete it. I had checked the box to disable it. Did a soft reset and then tried to delete using the Palm delete. It did seem to remove the prc. file but left this extension. Any problems with this? I don't want to do a hard reset. Thanks, Cindy.

[SoS]

Please read the other threads, as well as the built-in help. UnCache has one simple function, which in turn affects a lot of features on the Palm (including freeing up DBCache on devices that have it). From the built-in help:



I'll add that any third party drivers that are in app-form in RAM must also be added, or you will have stability issues. Any application that does something outside of its own application space (when other things are running in the foreground) must be added to perform these functions.

ok, thanks. So, for example, which apps do you have in mind?? Help us out with specifics!! "3rd party drivers that are in app-form in RAM"...wot??

[rkadowns]

Okay, so I installed the software after reading a bit more about what it's doing learning something I didn't know in the process and found that this thing does indeed speed up things that I found irritating before.

For instance, Pocket Quicken. If lag is ever an issue for me, it's with this software since when retrieving categories and other "remembered" information it has to hit the drive first. It still does this however it is much faster in doing so with uncache. I'm beginning to wonder if this in conjunction to sharkecache will make a good team?

Anyhow, along with the default apps that are included in the list I also included:
PalmRevolt
YAHM
myskin (That may already have been listed. I don't remember.)

I've had no problems as far as I know however I will report any strange problems here if I come across them.

[_Em]

Hi, I would also like to know how to uninstall it. I tried it not knowing it was shareware. I am also not bright enough, I'm sure, to get all the advantages out of it and understand what it is doing. It seems to leave a file named "uncacheExt". It also gave me error messages when I tried to delete it. I had checked the box to disable it. Did a soft reset and then tried to delete using the Palm delete. It did seem to remove the prc. file but left this extension. Any problems with this? I don't want to do a hard reset. Thanks, Cindy.
The easiest way to uninstall system-level apps is to fire up FileZ, select the offending file, press details, click the Attrs tab, check the Recyclable checkbox, hit save, and then do a soft reset. The file will be gone when the reset is finished.
You should also be able to do a warm reset and delete the file.

Dmitry's suggested solution is to change the Type ID from PlGn to XXXX, soft reset, and delete.

Any of the above should work; if one doesn't, try a different method.

[_Em]

ok, thanks. So, for example, which apps do you have in mind?? Help us out with specifics!! "3rd party drivers that are in app-form in RAM"...wot??

Here's a checklist for you, as the stuff you've got on your palm probably varies hugely from what I've got.

First thing: UnCache only works on actual runnable PRC applications in RAM. This means that it's something that isn't on an SD/MS card, and isn't pre-written on the ROM on your Palm -- it is a PRC file viewable under the Internal tab in FileZ or a similar file manager.

Second:
Does the PRC file provide system-wide functionality? (Think UDMH, MUH, SkinUI, McPhling, DA Launcher, BrightnessFix, SharkCache, USB Fix, LaunchThis!, YAHM, WarpSpeed, PXA Clocker)
If so, to get that functionality, you need to add it to the list.

Does the PRC file provide extra features that integrate with the OS? (think ALL the Docs2Go files, most notably DXTGAttachmentPlugin, Resco Explorer, VersaMail, Blazer, J9 Java Launcher)
If so, to get that functionality, you need to add it to the list.

Does the PRC file use the Palm scheduler to do anything? (Calendar's on ROM, so you don't have to worry about it, however, there's also programs like Resco Backup, WatchM, TikTok)
If so, to get that functionality, you need to add it to the list.

An easy way to find out (as posted in other threads) is to (with UnCache disabled) go into Resco Explorer, navigate to Control Panel/Notifications and make a note of any file listed of type appl; these are the files (and features) UnCache is disabling. If you don't have/want to use Resco Explorer, Resco Locker (free) gives you limited information -- look for the files with a ! beside them for a short list of (some of the) apps that load extra code on reset. You can also use Palm Internals to find out a lot of this information.

Other things to look out for: if you're using a Palm Universal Keyboard, the Keyboard app loads the keyboard handling code at reset; if you don't add it to the UnCache list and plug in your keyboard, your Palm will go into a reset loop.

One nice feature of UnCache is that if you don't add an app, that app won't do anything to your system until it has been launched once. After launching it once, it'll load all those extra features, and they should be available across the system. This means that if you don't load the Docs2Go apps (for example), and receive a text file (via download, IR, BT, etc.), the file will be sent to the Memo app instead of Docs2Go (Docs2Go registers itself as the handler for text files on reset, unless you tell it not to).

There are many more apps, and many more features/pitfalls when using UnCache, but this should be enough to start your brain oozing :)

[SoS]

Here's a checklist for you, as the stuff you've got on your palm probably varies hugely from what I've got.

First thing: UnCache only works on actual runnable PRC applications in RAM. This means that it's something that isn't on an SD/MS card, and isn't pre-written on the ROM on your Palm -- it is a PRC file viewable under the Internal tab in FileZ or a similar file manager.

Second:
Does the PRC file provide system-wide functionality? (Think UDMH, MUH, SkinUI, McPhling, DA Launcher, BrightnessFix, SharkCache, USB Fix, LaunchThis!, YAHM, WarpSpeed, PXA Clocker)
If so, to get that functionality, you need to add it to the list.

Does the PRC file provide extra features that integrate with the OS? (think ALL the Docs2Go files, most notably DXTGAttachmentPlugin, Resco Explorer, VersaMail, Blazer, J9 Java Launcher)
If so, to get that functionality, you need to add it to the list.

Does the PRC file use the Palm scheduler to do anything? (Calendar's on ROM, so you don't have to worry about it, however, there's also programs like Resco Backup, WatchM, TikTok)
If so, to get that functionality, you need to add it to the list.

An easy way to find out (as posted in other threads) is to (with UnCache disabled) go into Resco Explorer, navigate to Control Panel/Notifications and make a note of any file listed of type appl; these are the files (and features) UnCache is disabling. If you don't have/want to use Resco Explorer, Resco Locker (free) gives you limited information -- look for the files with a ! beside them for a short list of (some of the) apps that load extra code on reset. You can also use Palm Internals to find out a lot of this information.

Other things to look out for: if you're using a Palm Universal Keyboard, the Keyboard app loads the keyboard handling code at reset; if you don't add it to the UnCache list and plug in your keyboard, your Palm will go into a reset loop.

One nice feature of UnCache is that if you don't add an app, that app won't do anything to your system until it has been launched once. After launching it once, it'll load all those extra features, and they should be available across the system. This means that if you don't load the Docs2Go apps (for example), and receive a text file (via download, IR, BT, etc.), the file will be sent to the Memo app instead of Docs2Go (Docs2Go registers itself as the handler for text files on reset, unless you tell it not to).

There are many more apps, and many more features/pitfalls when using UnCache, but this should be enough to start your brain oozing :)

Thats great, thanx!!
:) :)

[stivakos]

I love the PalmPDF but I have many soft resets with it. If something can fix that, that would be great.

[_Em]

UDMH + UnCache :)

[SoS]

I Agree here!
It looks the perfect solution to most of LD probs after Update 2.

Cya
enotar


Ok,

so can you (or anyone else) post some real-world experiences with this
combo (frequency of resets, speed of launch.....etc etc)..

that would be great!

..seems to me that one app is using free dbcache as dynamic heap, while the other is trying to minimise dbcache abuse. While, in a perfect world, this might seem to be a great idea, does it really work in practice??

[_Em]

Short answer: yes. On my TX, I went from having 3+ unscheduled resets per day to only resetting when I want to :)

[SoS]

Short answer: yes. On my TX, I went from having 3+ unscheduled resets per day to only resetting when I want to :)


that's fantastic but anyoone want to comment on LD usage??

[lkj]

Uncache solved my problem in running Que gps software when using Garmin GPS10 with LD.

I can now stop the gps software from running in the background, which otherwise would cause system interuptions every 30seconds.

Put 5 of the 6 Que programs into the Uncache list; just leave the Quesetup program out. Add the QueSetup program back into the Uncache list and reset the the LD. The Que will operate as usual.

[mrp123]

Here’re my experiences for those who are interested.

Tried it on my LifeDrive. A lot actually. My only interest was reducing soft reset time. I cannot say this program helps in that area like I hoped. My LD takes about 2:20 time to actually become usable again after launching a soft reset. I have a lot of apps on it right now so my original thought was a lot of "Code 5's" could be avoided. So I experimented.

Performing soft resets with nothing in UnCache's list consistently yields a time of just 2:00 to become usable once again. Certainly no where near what I hoped for. I wish I could instruct UnCache to ignore ROM apps but I fear that wouldn't help much either.

I can say it leaves the dbcache much cleaner after a soft reset but I notice no difference in usability. My LD operates with just the same feel either way.

I personally have no profound stability problems so I cannot comment on stability improvements. Mine certainly did not become unstable using it. Again, not having certain programs made aware of the soft reset simply caused them to not function completely as expected but nothing damaging nor hasn't already been written about by others.

The only issue I ever had with the program was the trial period suddenly cut short on me with no explanation. I didn't do anything to it (to my knowledge) not did I change the calendar. No other program exhibited problems. I opened UnCache as normal and to my surprise it simply stated my trial period expired (about 8 days too early!) with no warnings or maladies. Who knows.

I did however have a completely unrelated system conflict while trying McPhling for the first time. It caused a soft reset and I lost ALL of my preferences and all registered programs lost their registration keys which also impacted all trial software periods (but all PIM and apps stayed). So UnCache came back for a renewed trial period allowing more testing.

Will I buy it? Quite unlikely. But I did notice it sometimes helped with troubleshooting other problems while using soft resets. But bottom line, I never had problems that required a permanent patch through the use of UnCache.

[xbaez]

UnCache didn't made my palm reset any faster

[Amstel]

To me UnCache was the solution to the 'Not enough memory' error downloading files via Blazer :rolleyes:

[sweetpureday]

To me UnCache was the solution to the 'Not enough memory' error downloading files via Blazer :rolleyes:

Absolutely - me too