Stowaway keyboard availABLE

[redvette_ragtop]

Did I miss something here? I thought I read ClieSource religiously and even did a search but got zero hits..

I emailed ThinkOutside wondering when a Stowaway would become available for the NX70V and received this:

The currently available PEGA KB-11 (Stowaway) keyboard from Sony is compatible with any T-series connector including the NX series. A new driver from Think Outside is available for the internal changes made by Sony. Also coming soon the Sony XT. Check our website website (http://www.thinkoutside.com/) for details in the next month.

I was under the impression that there was no Stowaway keyboard that worked with the NX. Well, anyway, this is great news (at least for me) and the news about a forthcoming XT is exciting.

Sorry if I'm passing along old information.

Brad

[n2ifp]

As far as I know you haven't missed anything. We'll have to wait and see if it was a typo or not.

[OcellNuri]

Wow.. so they found a software workaround? Nice!

[T1000X]

I hope that update comes from ThinkOutside soon, because I doubt ever seeing Sony coming out with a fix. I've looked at the XT, and I like it's slim size, but I don't like the fact it doesn't have a dedicated row of number keys. I don't use my KB11 much (or as much as I could), but when I do it's mostly with entering formula's or other information in SheetToGo or WordToGo.

[mux1]

Originally posted by T1000X
I hope that update comes from ThinkOutside soon, because I doubt ever seeing Sony coming out with a fix. I've looked at the XT, and I like it's slim size, but I don't like the fact it doesn't have a dedicated row of number keys. I don't use my KB11 much (or as much as I could), but when I do it's mostly with entering formula's or other information in SheetToGo or WordToGo.

I would agree with you. XT looks nice..but is 'too' compact for me. I would want a full keyboard with number row and all.

I actually had a GoType several years ago that I thought was great..had a full set of keys..but the keys were too small. The Belkin is too small for my taste too... and the KB11 fits my hands the best, but alas doesn't work with the NX (yet).

The only drawback I see with the KB11 is the offset connector (due to the design) which places your Clie to the left. Have you found this bothering you at all? I see it and cringe, but I have not used the KB11.

[redvette_ragtop]

Originally posted by mux1

The only drawback I see with the KB11 is the offset connector (due to the design) which places your Clie to the left. Have you found this bothering you at all? I see it and cringe, but I have not used the KB11.

I used Stowaway with my Visor Deluxe for two years going to grad school and found no problem with the offset connector. And I used it on my lap and found it to be totally acceptable, contrary to what many have said. I find that offset connection actually helps balance it better when using it on your lap because it places the PDA directly on the left thigh.

[redvette_ragtop]

Originally posted by T1000X
I hope that update comes from ThinkOutside soon, because I doubt ever seeing Sony coming out with a fix. I've looked at the XT, and I like it's slim size, but I don't like the fact it doesn't have a dedicated row of number keys. I don't use my KB11 much (or as much as I could), but when I do it's mostly with entering formula's or other information in SheetToGo or WordToGo.

What driver do you have? The one on ThinkOutside's site is V1.9.GF.

[n2ifp]

I was under the impression that a revised KB-11 was coming out. I would be careful about any software work a rounds. Especially since Sony hasn't said anything. There is a KB-11 keyboard driver update on Sony's FTP site dated March 20, 2003?

[LockeEVP]

This is great! I can use my KB11 from my N760C on my NX70V! Wooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

[odin]

I'm sorry but I'm confused. I have a Targus Stowaway keyboard that I used with my 760. Can I use it now with my NX70 with some type of new software? Thanks.

[sralmas]

No, you will never be able to use your n760's keyboard with the NX because it has a different connector.  The KB11 for the "T" style connector also works with the NR, SJ, SL, and TG, but not with the current NXs because of an internal hardware difference between the NX and the other "T" style connectors (though they look the same and share other types of accessories, such as cradles).

I am suspicious of any claim that a software fix will allow current KB11s to work with current NX series Clies, but time might tell.  This has long been confirmed to be a hardware issue and the conventional wisdom was that no software fix would be available or could possibly work.

I'm just looking forwarding to the next NX release so I can upgrade my NR70 to an OS5 Clie with a camera that works with my KB11.

[LockeEVP]

Originally posted by sralmas
No, you will never be able to use your n760's keyboard with the NX because it has a different connector.  The KB11 for the "T" style connector also works with the NR, SJ, SL, and TG, but not with the current NXs because of an internal hardware difference between the NX and the other "T" style connectors (though they look the same and share other types of accessories, such as cradles).

I am suspicious of any claim that a software fix will allow current KB11s to work with current NX series Clies, but time might tell.  This has long been confirmed to be a hardware issue and the conventional wisdom was that no software fix would be available or could possibly work.

I'm just looking forwarding to the next NX release so I can upgrade my NR70 to an OS5 Clie with a camera that works with my KB11.

Oh well, I guess I'll just get the T series one if the driver comes out. Aw, shucks...

[lsherman]

This thread has become very confusing. The original post says that Think Outside is saying their latest driver works with the keyboard for the T series. That's great news if true. Has anyone thought to actually try it?

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by redvette_ragtop
Did I miss something here? I thought I read ClieSource religiously and even did a search but got zero hits..

I emailed ThinkOutside wondering when a Stowaway would become available for the NX70V and received this:

The currently available PEGA KB-11 (Stowaway) keyboard from Sony is compatible with any T-series connector including the NX series. A new driver from Think Outside is available for the internal changes made by Sony. Also coming soon the Sony XT. Check our website website (http://www.thinkoutside.com/) for details in the next month.

I was under the impression that there was no Stowaway keyboard that worked with the NX. Well, anyway, this is great news (at least for me) and the news about a forthcoming XT is exciting.

Sorry if I'm passing along old information.

Brad

Please be careful, I've tested all the drivers on available on the think outside page, and there is no one who works on my nx, even the 1.9.6.F clie driver, so please be careful.

Actually the only way to made your kb11 works with your clié if to add a resistor and a diode between two pins of the connector, it's not easy to do, but it's possible

[Pen-Pen]

Argh, why the site doesn't want to let me connected, the post just above was made by me

[captainao]

I'm confused, too. Part of this message is consistent with previous conversations with ThinkOutside where they've indicated that they would release an NX-compatible keyboard through Fellowes in April/May.
However, this seems to say that their current driver v1.96 which is dated ~1/03 will work with NX70 (has anyone tried?) or do they mean a new driver will be coming out in a month.
And, as Larry points out, Sony has v1.98 on its website but says its not for NX70.
Nothing is easy :)

[captainao]

Did a quick search here and found that someone had tried v1.96 with an NX70 in February without success, so either TO is releasing a new driver (which would contradict previous statements by their support group that the KB11 and NX70 would never work together) or they misspoke.

[mschluss]

The definitive thread on the kb11 is authored by Pen-Pen and is a triumph for the forum with diagrams and complete explanations regarding the hardware "fix" for the kb11 so it will work in the nx70v. Anyone interested would be well advised to check out this valuable resource.

Cliesource has produced some outstanding results, and probably is responsible for the upcoming CF driver for the nx70v as well.

Cheers!

[captainao]

Yes, I know this thread - but I think some of us w/o professional soldering skills were hoping for a miracle driver :)

[Pen-Pen]

You don't need professional soldering skills, just a thin soldering iron, and a good concentration to control the waves of the hand

[roper]

Hi All,

Who makes the KB11 - anyone have a link to a website? I feel pretty confident with a soldering iron & I need a keyboard for work.

Also, what driver will I need then?

I have a NX70V.

Thanks in advance for your reply! :)

[rob_squared]

I hope it comes out in a month or two.

[inertia memphis]

I just got this email from Customer Service from Think Outside :-)

---------
The Sony PEGA-KB11 (Stowaway) is now supported on the NX series Cliés. The PEGA-KB10 (Stowaway XT) will be available very soon and will also support the NX series. On the Stowaway XT there are two function buttons for even more versatility.

support@thinkoutside.com
Customer Service
888-720-2871
-----------------------

Rather than waiting on XT I'm going to get the Orignial Stowaway. I like the old one because I get full number row. But I was surprised to see when I liked that the dimentsion, other thatn the thickness the old one is just a bit smaller in other two directions. Old is 0.8thick, new is 0.5 thick.

One plus on the new one is that at first glance it looks like it would be rigid if not on table; althogh I did not mind the fold in the old Stowaway when I used it with my Handspring.

Well I'm off to find site to order it from.

[n2ifp]

I sure hope it works for you! Something doesn't sound right, if it doesn't work, make sure you can return it.

[T1000X]

It's great they say it's supported, but where are the blankety-blank-blank drivers?!?

[inertia memphis]

When I get it I'll let you know, the driver on their site now is v1.96

[mux1]

Originally posted by inertia memphis
I just got this email from Customer Service from Think Outside :-)

---------
The Sony PEGA-KB11 (Stowaway) is now supported on the NX series Cliés. The PEGA-KB10 (Stowaway XT) will be available very soon and will also support the NX series. On the Stowaway XT there are two function buttons for even more versatility.

support@thinkoutside.com
Customer Service
888-720-2871
-----------------------

Rather than waiting on XT I'm going to get the Orignial Stowaway. I like the old one because I get full number row. But I was surprised to see when I liked that the dimentsion, other thatn the thickness the old one is just a bit smaller in other two directions. Old is 0.8thick, new is 0.5 thick.

One plus on the new one is that at first glance it looks like it would be rigid if not on table; althogh I did not mind the fold in the old Stowaway when I used it with my Handspring.

Well I'm off to find site to order it from.


Where can you get the driver for this? I don't have the keyboard (yet) but the driver on their website is v.1.9.6F

I wonder if this is the driver that supports the NX... can anyone with a KB11 try this out?

[sralmas]

I am very suspicious. There is no mention at all of NX compatibility on the website. Can ANYONE confirm that the 1.96 driver allows the KB11 to work with the NX70?

[T1000X]

When I get home tonight (9:30PM PST), I'll try the driver to see if does work with the KB11. I highly doubt it will, but I'll see if it does. I will definitely report back if it works, and how well it works.

[n2ifp]

Yes, that would be a big help to a lot of Clie owners :)!

[aenox]

I hope it works, because I love the full keyboard size. I have large hands and the belkin give me somewhat of a cramp after I type on it.

[T1000X]

Originally posted by aenox
I hope it works, because I love the full keyboard size. I have large hands and the belkin give me somewhat of a cramp after I type on it.

I do too. I tried the old Landware (remember that keyboard?) for my Visor deluxe and the small keys were a headache. I do not plan on getting the newer XT variation of the Clie Gear keyboard because I like having a dedicated number row, and the shortcut keys to the main applications. I will try the updated driver and let everyone know if it works or not.

[samsitedesigns]

why would you want a keyboard on your nx if it already came with one???

[T1000X]

Well, because an external fullsize keyboard makes entering a lot of data a heck of a lot easier. That and I can type on a fullsize keyboard at about 45WPM, Graffiti at 15WPM and Thumboard around 20 to 25WPM.

[samsitedesigns]

hmm some people are like crazy typers on these things :)

[redvette_ragtop]

Originally posted by samsitedesigns
why would you want a keyboard on your nx if it already came with one???

The reason is simple: You can't type very fast using a thumb board. There is no way that I would have been able to take two years' worth of class notes in grad school on this thumb board. In meetings, classes, writing papers in WordSmith (or your favorite word processor), full-sized, keyboard touch-typing beats any other input "hands down!" ;)

[aenox]

yes, sadly in the age of compact mobility bigger is better (as far as keyboards and data entry are concerned).

SIDE NOTE: Has anyone looked into this new Fitaly thing....
I think i make a thread

[saw9000]

I think I'll make the latest effort to clear this up: The driver currently available from Think Outside does not work with the NX70V. I just downloaded version 1.9.6f from Think Outside, less than ten minutes ago. I tried it out on my NX70V and when I pressed the A key, it entered the number 1. After that, it continued entering 1's until I pressed the enter key. That doesn't seem quite like full support to me.
If Think Outside supports the NX series with the PEGA-KB11, then they do it with a driver not currently available from their Web site. This said, if there is a driver that works, I would be quite pleased to get my hands on a copy of it.
Scott

[T1000X]

Well, saw9000 you beat me too it. Sad to hear it, but I guess that's a good sign in the right direction! When I try to use it, nothing happens on my NX70V. I even tried Sony's own update for the TG50, and it didn't work. Man, I really want drivers that work!

[radmacd]

I just recieved an email from Thinkoutside today with a link to the sony software update website pointing to a 1.9.8s driver.

Here is the email.

Whats the deal!?!

I dont have a KB11 or a NX70v to test the with so I guess im looking for some confirmation on if this works or not.


****************************************************

Dave,


We have recently released a driver to Sony that supports the NX series. You can find it here [ http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/support/clie/access/kb11/softupdates/ ]. It can be used on both Stowaway and the soon to be released Stowaway XT.

support@thinkoutside.com

Customer Service

888-720-2871

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave [mailto:***@***.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:44 PM
To: Support
Subject: Sony NX70v


Hello...


After looking at your website I have not seen any information regarding support for Sony's Clie NX70v PDA. I am wondering if it is supported, and if not, when will it be?


Thanks


Dave.

[buybook]

Somebody please try the 1.9.8s driver....seem as if you all had tried the 1.9.6 one..........


Let us know please!!!! Thanks......

[saw9000]

Interestingly, Sony says that the update is for just about everything but the NX and NZ series. It seems they're right. I just downloaded and tried this one for the second time, and it behaves the same way as version 1.9.6f from Think Outside directly. No compatibility yet.
Scott

[Pen-Pen]

Well, I think that all of these who believe in a driver solution believe again in Santa Claus.

The mistake with the PEGA-KB11 is not software, it's hardware.

The NX and NZ series don't have a part of the circuitry that the keyboard need to be fully fonctionnal.

At this point there is some ways for you if you want to use a kayboard on a NX-NZ clié :
1 - Buy the Belkin G700 which had drivers (not perfect, but it works)
2 - Wait for a new stowaway Keyboard which could work with the NX-NZ
3 - Do the modification I describe here (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5580)
4 - Open your NX-NZ and done the modification in your clié, then re-close it

Now, Gentlemens, make your choice.

[saw9000]

I agree with you; the hardware problem is almost certainly not solveable by a software solution. I have already made my own choice, and have gone with number 1, but I might consider a new Stowaway XT when it becomes available.
Scott

[OcellNuri]

Perhaps Sony thinks when they "say" that they now support the NX, they will be able to sell more units.

Or... what if the tech support people have been told to say that now because the new NX has fixed the hardware problem, and it is right around the corner? We all know Sony's left hand never knows where the right hand is. Sony had stated that the next NX would not have this hardware problem.

[inertia memphis]

I just spoke with thinkoutside customer support. They are going to talk to one of their engineers and then directly post more definitive information to this board.

But at first glance it sounds like that in addition to the updated drivers that can be found on Sony's site that there may have been minor hardware modifications to keyboards that are being sold now. So that if you buy a keyboard now and its a new one (not ebay) then it should work. Now don't take me at my word on this, lets just wait for what the engineers say, of course many of us would want to know when was the switch date for hardware sold to work or not work with NX. And if you have an old one can it be adjusted.

Well, I don't have that answer, but they (thinkoutside) are researching this and will post something.

So I just thought I'd post as an update. I ordered my keyboard from Sony yesterday, I'll post as soon as it shows up here and I get a chance to fire it up. I'm pretty confident from my conversation with them that it will work.

Now if its true that not all PEGA-KB11's are made the same, one would hope they changed the model number by adding an "a" or something to the end?

[johnsonk47]

I tried the new driver on my old (Aug 02) KB11 with no luck. I was hoping... I miss the full size keyboard. Well, back to the G700.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by inertia memphis
I just spoke with thinkoutside customer support. They are going to talk to one of their engineers and then directly post more definitive information to this board.

But at first glance it sounds like that in addition to the updated drivers that can be found on Sony's site that there may have been minor hardware modifications to keyboards that are being sold now. So that if you buy a keyboard now and its a new one (not ebay) then it should work. Now don't take me at my word on this, lets just wait for what the engineers say, of course many of us would want to know when was the switch date for hardware sold to work or not work with NX. And if you have an old one can it be adjusted.

Well, I don't have that answer, but they (thinkoutside) are researching this and will post something.

So I just thought I'd post as an update. I ordered my keyboard from Sony yesterday, I'll post as soon as it shows up here and I get a chance to fire it up. I'm pretty confident from my conversation with them that it will work.

Now if its true that not all PEGA-KB11's are made the same, one would hope they changed the model number by adding an "a" or something to the end?

This would make the most sense that they moded the KB-II

 

 

[saw9000]

It would be nice to know that there are some KB-11 units out there that support the NX series, but I'm pretty sure that would make current KB11 owners pretty unhappy, especially those who bought the KB11 thinking that it would be supported, only to find out that it never would be.
Scott

[SW Geek]

All,
I am sorry to inform you that the email from Think Outside was in error. Email support@ThinkOutside.com and you will get an updated response. I don't know how long the incorrect information was being given out, but it was corrected on Friday (4/18).

The current Think Outside Keyboard Driver DOES work with the NX. The KB11 keyboard does not. Yes, this does make sense.

The KB11 Keyboard's circuitry was approved by Sony prior to the NX release. After Sony released the NX, TO informed Sony that the PDAs did not meet the specification and would not work with the existing KB11 design. The spec was subsequently changed. It appears that Sony decided to not update the KB11 circuitry and not retrofit NX PDAs, but did change subsequent designs to conform with the earlier specs. If you do a search for posts by "SW Geek", you will get more information on this. Fro more information, you can search PalmInfoCenter.com for posts by the same name ("SW GeeK").

Fellowes (www.Fellowes.com) showed two Think Outside designed keyboards (the Stowaway and the Visa/Ultra-Thin) at CES in January that worked with the NX.

"These words are my own". I am a PalmOS SW Engineer living in Silicon Valley who was employed by a "PDA input peripheral company" for 2 1/2 years (through January) when I was laid off. I now keep the creditors away from my door by working as an independent contractor of a "PDA input peripheral company".

[Pen-Pen]

Originally posted by SW Geek
The current Think Outside Keyboard Driver DOES work with the NX. The KB11 keyboard does not. Yes, this does make sense.


Just for those who won't understand this, the new driver works with OS5 cliés (the older one done a fatal error and crash the os5 clié's), so if you have a modified KB-11 you can use it on NX60/70 and NZ90 with this driver(I don't know for the TG50)

Please forget my english, but I'm really tired.

[rob_squared]

I guess I'll be preforming that mod after all :/

[hupokadsfa]

I'm not clear on this, does this mean that Sony is selling the modified keyboards, or that we have to do the work ourselves?

[n2ifp]

It's a do it yourself project.

[rob_squared]

Involving welding if I remember correctly. :(

But from what I hear the Stowaway XT works, right?

[hupokadsfa]

The Stowaway XT works with the NX?

[SW Geek]

The Palm branded Stowaway XT will not work with the NX (the connectors & KB electronics are different).

The Fellowes branded version of the Stowaway XT will work with the T-Series connector Clies (including the NX series). Remember, it is always possible Sony comes out with another PDA variation to call the previous statement in question <grin>.

I don't know the details on their release schedule, but you can contact them @ feltech@fellowes.com.

[redvette_ragtop]

O.K. ladies and gents...here's what I received yesterday from ThinkOutside and should lay to rest many of our questions. Maybe it will raise more...

We are sorry to inform you that the NX series CLIÉ™ are not compatible with the KB11 keyboard.&nbsp;

We have been informed that Sony does not have plans to upgrade the KB11 circuitry to make it compatible with this PDA.

The only KB11 (Stowaway®) compatible Sony® CLIÉ™ Handhelds are those sold in the United States with these Model numbers:

PEG-NR70/U and PEG-NR70V/U
PEG-SL 10/U
PEG-SJ20, PEG-SJ30 and PEG-SJ33
PEG-T415, PEG-T615C and PEG-T665C/U
PEG-TG50
&nbsp;

Our new distributor, Fellowes (www.fellowes.com (http://www.fellowes.com)), will be releasing the Think Outside designed Stowaway® XT keyboard in the next month.&nbsp; Fellowes technical support may be reached at FelTech@Fellowes.com (FelTech@Fellowes.com) for more information.

[hupokadsfa]

So let me understand: outside of doing our own work, the fellowes keyboard is the only one that will work. Right?

[n2ifp]

Maybe, we don't know yet, since it isn't out yet :(.

[ryan.posey]

Well, I did finally sell my KB11 keyboard. However it will not let me delete it ? Anyone know how to safely remove the KB11 software, including the icon?

I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
r

[hupokadsfa]

first I find that I'll have to wait for the CF driver and now I have to wait for a full size keyboard.

&nbsp;

[redvette_ragtop]

Originally posted by hupokadsfa
So let me understand: outside of doing our own work, the fellowes keyboard is the only one that will work. Right?

It would appear that would be the case. I have an email out to Fellows to confirm what ThinkOutside said and also to see if they are planning on releasing a modified full-keyboard Stowaway. (But I doubt it.)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by ryan.posey
Well, I did finally sell my KB11 keyboard. However it will not let me delete it ? Anyone know how to safely remove the KB11 software, including the icon?

I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
r

You can do a warm reset, which is done by holding the Up button while resetting. This won't load anything so there will be no VG area. Hit Ctrl-H on the keyboard, go to Clie Files, then you can delete the driver. Then do a regular reset.

[SW Geek]

> n2ifp: Maybe, we don't know yet, since it isn't out yet .
It works. I've seen it (and used it).

The Fellowes branded Think Outside Stowaway works with the NX. It also works with (at least) the PDAs listed in the posting by "redvette_ragtop".

[SW Geek]

> ryan.posey :Anyone know how to safely remove the KB11 software

Ryan, if that does not work, send me an email and I'll send you a utility (that Think Outside made for Palm for an earlier buggy release of the Driver) to take care of your problem.

[radmacd]

SW GEEK:

When stating that the fellows KB works with the NX, you mean the New XT Keyboard that has not yet been released correct?

[SW Geek]

radmacd: Yes. Think Outside redesigned the serial circuitry to work with the NX PDAs (and still work with the other t-series connector PDAs too <grin>). These KBs (or at least one of them) is/are what Fellowes will be releasing RSN ("Real Soon Now").

[redvette_ragtop]

If anyone is still following this thread, I received this from Fellowes today:

Thank you for your interest in Fellowes products.&nbsp; We anticipate the release of the new keyboards sometime in June.&nbsp; This includes both the standard Stowaway and the newer XT model.&nbsp; If we can assist you further, please email us again.

Best regards,

Fellowes Technical Support

I find this hopeful news, indeed!

--Brad

[rob_squared]

Oooh! That sounds like they intend to release the standard full size one that supports the NX. Maybe I'll hold off on that other keyboard for a while.

[skizo]

Well gues on http://www.thinkoutside.com/news/press/prev~yyyymmdd.html it says
"The plug and play keyboard is compatible with the HP/Compaq series (including iPAQ 3800, 3900 and 5400) and the Sony Clie series (including all NX, NR, SL, SJ and T series). The keyboard includes a built-in docking station, which means that no batteries or cables are required for use. Additionally, they keyboard uses very little power from the handheld. "

That must mean it is compatible.

[mux1]

Finally something shows up for the NX. Despite the whole hardware change fiasco that restricted use of the original KB11, I'm surprised it has taken this long to get something on the market.

June...May (according to the news release)... bring it on!

[redvette_ragtop]

Great news, Skizo. Thanks for passing this along.

[saw9000]

I'll look forward to having a Stowaway XT available for the NX series, but I notice they don't list the NZ series among compatible units. I know it would be a feat of engineering to add that in, but I think it might be worth it.
Scott

[SW Geek]

> That must mean it is compatible.
Yes, but...

There are some errors in that un-released "press release" (the date is: "XX"):
- You won't be getting a single KB that works with PPC and PalmOS - The connectors are different.
- You won't be getting a "Plug and Play" KB - You will need to install the Driver for it to work.

I think someone who is not too much of a Techie wrote that 'release' and the Techies have not ironed out the kinks in it yet <grin>. Interesting.

If you do a search on Think Outside's site for "Fellowes", you will get a number of variations on that release.

[spradlinb]

Originally posted by redvette_ragtop
If anyone is still following this thread, I received this from Fellowes today:

Thank you for your interest in Fellowes products.&nbsp; We anticipate the release of the new keyboards sometime in June.&nbsp; This includes both the standard Stowaway and the newer XT model.&nbsp; If we can assist you further, please email us again.

Best regards,

Fellowes Technical Support

I find this hopeful news, indeed!

--Brad

Thanks for the update! It's just too bad that I have to wait yet another month for the XT :(.

Cheers.

[JwY]

i think i've read it somewhere but i cant find it...
if we do modify the kb11, will it still work with the T series?

[SW Geek]

Look for the "KB11 modification for NX60/70" by "Pen-Pen". If you do what is posted, the resulting KB will work with all (existing) versions of the T-Series Clies.

[JwY]

ok got it now
thanks.

i didnt get an nx yet
but i want to
the one main concern was the keyboard...
i'll just wait a bit longer to see if anything new's coming out first.