1src Forums - AvantGo and Avantage

mdharris

01-21-2003, 08:20 AM

Sorry to all but I was not impressed with iSilo and AvantGo may have its issues right now it still does its job and provides me the news with no effort involved. I decided to not use avantage and just use AvantGo w/MS support.

williepalm

01-21-2003, 08:25 AM

Couldnt agree with you more. Isilo is the best, after Avantgo.

sUnShInE

01-21-2003, 09:12 AM

I dumped Avantgo once I got a MS and opened myself up to the world beyond 2megs of news and info everyday. I'm liberated!

gvtexas

01-21-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by n2ifp
Hand Story beats them all, IMHO :)

Hear, hear! I just got HandStory after having AvantGo for a few years, and working with iSilo for the past six months. Got tired of AvantGo's ads and crippled sites, and while iSilo worked very well, it was too much to maintain. And HandStory works beautifully reading the clips off the stick.

While you can't do much about non-PDA formatted sites with HandStory (you can if you learn their scripting language), works *very* well with any PDA/mobile formatted site.

Gary

timewaster77

01-21-2003, 02:34 PM

I love Avantgo. Talking about the 2MB limit, I haven't even filled it up. I simply don't need to read more than 2MB of stories and articles each day.

Flash-57

01-21-2003, 03:12 PM

I just installed Avantage on a trial basis. Now, I haven't synched anything yet, but I get the impression that Avantage really doesn't save me any room. To read AvantGo pages, it looks like it copies all the files from my memory stick into RAM.

And, it looks like, it doesn't "clean up" after itself. In other words, when I read a web page, the copied files stay in RAM until I physically move them again to the memory stick.

And, I suspect, that when I synch, the AvantGo files will be in RAM, not the memory stick and I have to physically move them again.

It looks like the only thing that Avantage buys me is a quick way to free up 1 Meg of very temporary space in RAM if I suddenly need it for some reason.

I'm ready to jettison AvantGo completely if I knew how to synch my customized Yahoo! PDA page with iSiloX.

tanker_bob

01-21-2003, 04:15 PM

I pitched Avantgo for HandStory last week and haven't looked back. HandStory can load the news (and images/docs/ebooks) directly to the card with no user intervention. Just update, Hotsync, and read. It also integrates directly into Windows and Internet Explorer for easy conversion of content. iSilo looks slightly better and produces smaller files, but only loads its data to RAM and then you have to move it to the card yourself. For ease of use and consistent results, I recommend checking out HandStory Suite. I wrote a review of it on PDA Avenue (http://www.pdaavenue.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1723).

Flash-57

01-21-2003, 04:43 PM

> iSilo ... only loads its data to RAM and then you have
> to move it to the card yourself.

Not completely true. There is an iSiloX option to save the data file to any location on your computer. If you specificy the /launcher/ directory of your memory stick, it will go right onto the stick without ever touching RAM.

Now, of course, you need to have the stick in the drive at the time or the stick in the Clie and MSImport running.

tanker_bob

01-21-2003, 05:45 PM

But will iSilo find the files in /Launcher/? I think you then have to move them to the iSilo directory. Is that right?

GLORYBEARER

01-21-2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Flash-57
> iSilo ... only loads its data to RAM and then you have
> to move it to the card yourself.

Not completely true. There is an iSiloX option to save the data file to any location on your computer. If you specificy the /launcher/ directory of your memory stick, it will go right onto the stick without ever touching RAM.

Now, of course, you need to have the stick in the drive at the time or the stick in the Clie and MSImport running.

Actually, if you download news from the same address with the same name daily, and save it to the /CardInst directory, the files will not overwrite what's on external memory. IsiloX already has an option to save to external memory. Go to properties and right click the Hotsync destination and the external memory card option will pop up. If you use this option then the file/s will be saved to the /IsiloI directory which will overwrite or update whatever your installing. ;)

UI018397

01-21-2003, 10:19 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Avantgo is the only one that can sync without a conduit.
For people with WiFi card, like myself, you can sync up while having breakfast !

GLORYBEARER

01-21-2003, 10:40 PM

I use Mobipocket for daily news, and Isilo for weather and whatever other permanent web content that I don't update. I just gave Avantgo a try and it has nothing on Mobipocket Reader 4.4 or Mobipocket Reader Pro 4.5, that is if your using a hires/hires+/full screen device; although, I don't know if the free Hires/Hires+/full screen web reader (version 4.4) is still available. I think Avantgo has more web sites to download from, but MobiPocket has a good source of site downloads, nice desktop conduit, and nice downloading options. For the time being, I vote for Mobipocket Reader 4.4 (free) or Mobipocket Reader Pro 4.5 and Isilo. I think these are, currently, the best of their type and have the most to offer in functionality.

kennyd

01-21-2003, 11:17 PM

One thing to remember about Avantgo, or any app with a conduit for that matter. You can launch any of the "apps" from your MS and still sync. If you are using LauncherIII, LauncherX, or any other launcher that supports a LX style shortcut, then you can save yourself between 400 to 500k of ram by launching the app from the MS. This still does not resolve issues with the databases without the use of PIDirect or some other manual procedure.

stever

01-21-2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Flash-57
...I get the impression that Avantage really doesn't save me any room. To read AvantGo pages, it looks like it copies all the files from my memory stick into RAM.

And, it looks like, it doesn't "clean up" after itself....

....ah yes, back to the original point of this thread.

This depends on the Launcher you use. Check on the Avantage web pages.

I own it and I loved it when I was using Launcher III. It loaded, and then cleaned up after itself perfectly.

But whatever signal it needs to initiate the cleanup when you exit AvantGo, doesn't get sent in some launchers.

Even if it doesn't automatically clean up, you can use it as a manual choice that grabs all AvantGo files and moves them to the MS, instead of finding and checkmarking each file in some mover/filesystem. This is how I use it now occasionally. Cleans 2.5 Mb out of my ram.

I don't suppose I would say it is worth paying for it if the auto feature is unavailable to you.

Flash-57

01-22-2003, 12:47 AM

> But will iSilo find the files in /Launcher/?

Yes it will. I have probably 100 iSilo documents on my Clie, only a few of which are updated regularly. Most of them reside on my memory stick. Only about 10 iSilo files reside in RAM.

> This depends on the Launcher you use.
> Check on the Avantage web pages. But
> whatever signal it needs to initiate
> the cleanup when you exit AvantGo,
> doesn't get sent in some launchers.

Alas, I use YiShow, which doesn't appear to be supported. Oh well.

sUnShInE

01-22-2003, 09:13 AM

Alot of these mysteries about iSilo can be cleared up by a quick trip to turcic.com.

;)

tanker_bob

01-22-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by sUnShInE
Alot of these mysteries about iSilo can be cleared up by a quick trip to turcic.com.

;)
Nice site. Thanks for the point out. The beauty of HandStory is that I didn't need extra help to make it work. Checked the 'Sync to card' box and never thought about it again. HS also can control the Hotsync conduit settings to speed downloading just the news to your handheld. And if I want a particular website I'm looking at in IE, I just right click on the page and select 'Clip to Palm' and presto, its converted and ready to sync.

I don't mean to knock iSilo, as it's a very nice program. I just think HandStory is better integrated into Windows and simpler to use.

tanker_bob

01-22-2003, 12:00 PM

BTW, there is a good review of Advantage on PDA Avenue (http://www.pdaavenue.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=14170#post14170).

sUnShInE

01-22-2003, 02:49 PM

Well, I know I posted about my HS fury many moons ago, but that was before the board crash... so here I go again.

My issue had mostly been with v2.2, and the total lack of tech support response I got from them in clearing up my issue pushed me away. I tried v2.3 for about 1/2 hour trial and it seemed a bit better.

Yes, while the clipping service for HS seems like a great feature, though extremely limited due to the number of sites they use; custom clipping doesn't (to my knowledge, correct me if i'm wrong) support dynamic linking. But, creating custom sites w/ HS seemed like a real pain in the tuchas (if I may use 'tuchas' in a sentence...thanks) and I know it had more than some "advanced" users scratching their heads.

My $.02.

ksjenkins

01-22-2003, 03:37 PM

I used Avantgo for 2+ years and when they did the Custom Channel nonsense about a year ago I started looking around. My criteria were:

1. HiRes / Color support.
2. No Channel limits (Big MS)
3. Customizable.
4. Combine other functions (Image/Doc/Offline News)

ISilo addressed the first and second. But you needed IsiloX to do offline web stuff.

I finally settled on HandStory. I've be happy with all its features HiRes support is great. It makes the Palm Memo pad much more usable (search instead of "open new" memo) I have used the Small Sites page http://www.mergethis.com/smallsites/ to find many links to Avantgo sites that I'm used to. The image viewer is ok once converted the images are much larger than their jpg counter parts. The Palm Doc reader is weak tho. A couple of features I would like to see are Update clips at a specific time and a better custom clip dialog for personalized sites (like yahoo).

Good Luck on your search!!

gulkent

01-22-2003, 08:08 PM

Everything I need is at avantgo and it was working perfect with handera but now it doesn`t support palm OS 5/ nx

williepalm

01-22-2003, 09:16 PM

It does. Avantgo 5.2 is out and its for OS 5.

williepalm

01-22-2003, 09:16 PM

It does. Avantgo 5.2 is out and its for OS 5.

safisam

01-29-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by GLORYBEARER
I use Mobipocket for daily news, and Isilo for weather and whatever other permanent web content that I don't update. I just gave Avantgo a try and it has nothing on Mobipocket Reader 4.4 or Mobipocket Reader Pro 4.5,

They say that with Mobipocket you can store your information on the card, but I was not able to do so. have you had any success? I have nx70v and mobibocket reader 4.5