View Full Version : MP4, MOV, MPEG1 player: Where, How??????
I can't play the movies out of my sony camera, which I thought were mpeg1. I can't play any mp4 movie I have that was for my PSP and encoded for an iPod. The only movies I can play are the ones straight out of my VR. Can somebody help me with this. I mean, how does it have the codecs yet nothing I encode for it works :confused: . I'm enjoying the VR movies but I'm going to need more variety soon.
golalmo
01-16-2006, 11:24 AM
tcpmp release (http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/)
or
tcpmp beta (http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/)
CliePet
01-16-2006, 11:50 AM
Be sure you put the movies in the right folders (the rules are tricky/silly)
> I can't play any mp4 movie I have that was for my PSP and encoded for an iPod
If you use Image Converter 2.x and use any of the default settings (not AVC), it should work in all 3 devices: iPod, PSP and VZ90. If you use the AVC encoding feature it will not play on the CLIE.
Playback with the built-in movie player or with FullMoviePlayer. FMP is a little more relaxed with the folder conventions.
TCPMP is another option with different tradeoffs.
Could somebody list the proper file heirarchy. I think I know it but if someone could reiterate it, just in case. Also, TCPMP works fine, a bit choppy for the camera movies, but I want to use ML. ML should theortically work as it has the codecs for mp4 and mov and mpeg1 files but I just don't know. Also, Cliepet your absolutely right with imagecoverter but I have a mac. No flames please. I have a variety of mp4 coverter programs but non seem to work. Any help please.
1. For Full Movie Player (from CliePet's site (http://www.aibohack.com/clie/fullmovie.htm))
The movies in the standard places are supported, as well as files that have the right extension, and movies in the MOVIES folder on the memory stick
/MOVIES/*.MOV
/MOVIES/*.MP4
/MOVIES/*.MPG
/MP_ROOT/100MNV01/*.MP4 -- IC2 puts movies here
/MQ_ROOT/100MQV01/*.MOV
/MQ_ROOT/100MQV01/*.MQV -- IC1 puts movies here
/MSSONY/MOML0001/*.MPG -- MPEG-1 style
/PALM/IMAGES/*.MPG -- MPEG-1 downloaded movies
/DCIM/1xxMSDCF/*.MPG -- MPEG-1 style
2. From Iname's 2004 post (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69398)
(using the built in Media Launcher)
One thing, MP4 files have to be named like:
M4V0000X.MP4 (like M4V00008.MP4 for example)
and to be placed on the MS in this directory:
MP_ROOT\100MNV01
For example, this file is MP4:
M4V00008.zip
Unzip it and place both files on a MS, directory "MP_ROOT\100MNV01".
Good luck. I'm sure I'm going to have the same issues. I don't want to be limited to my vrk100. But I want to use FMP, which I use on my TH55 (converting thru Image Converter 1.5 on my PC laptop) but using whatever conversion method I can on my Mac.
I have a variety of mp4 coverter programs but non seem to work. Any help please.
hope: have you had any luck with this? I would be interested in what you are using for the ripper/conversion. At the moment I'm trying handbrake for the mac. It's a ripper and dvd converter. However handbrake is limited in the inputs (dvd or dvd image; no vob files). But it will output to ipod as well as mge4. I'm trying both of these outputs today. I really like using FMC as the player.
dragonsgames
02-04-2006, 08:02 PM
I wish I could get it working also... but remember that update to Quicktime 7, and how it made Image Converter stop working? That could be the problem with this, also :(
I haven't really had the time to mess around with it. I really want to and I would like to know how but in the mean time my VR is getting me by. I record about 4 shows a week and I have about that much time to kill when the need arises. So, I haven't had the need to watch a movie so not being able to put one on there is something I've just planned on doing later.
What I did do was use PSPware which converts almost any video file into a PSP friendly mp4 file. I couldn't get any of these to play??? I also tried DVD VX to no avail. I know I must have done something wrong but if somebody here can figure it out I would be very appreciative.
I know its probably easier to use FMP or TCPMP for some people, which I have both on my VZ as their almost required on PDA's these days. But, I enjoy using ML and would like for everything to play nice. Ideally I would just delete both FMP and TCPMP and use only ML but since I haven't figured everything out yet I keep them. If others could play around and see what they get and report it, we could get something working here. FYI, I do have a Mac, as does Dragons, for those who want to help and have PC's. Thanks.
dragonsgames
02-04-2006, 10:02 PM
I have been working on getting it to work. I will stay up all night if necessary ;)
Thanks Dragons. :D Much appreciated ;)
dragonsgames
02-04-2006, 10:13 PM
JA is helping me out in the Chat right now, if you want to "watch" ;)
What "Chat"??? Joel sent me an email saying he was going to be in the Chat. Was is that? I'm quite intrigued. Where do I go, I do want to watch.
dragonsgames
02-04-2006, 10:56 PM
I got it to work!!!
Download the pre-made template here:
http://dragonsgames.com/ML.ffx
:D
So, what do I do with it? It downloads as a .txt which I'm sure its not. So its a .ffx? I'm assuming I use ffmpegX, can you give me the link for where the latest version is? Also, in the past I have not got it to work because I was unable to get the proper downloads it requires. Any help and directions would be great. Thanks Dragons and good work.
There are quite a few programs that convert movies for the iPod video. How come these programs don't work? I have quite a few and their free and do a good job. They are rather simple to use and it would be ideal. Any reason why the movies won't work? Should I list the various programs?
I finally got ffmpegx to finally work. But, it only encodes about 20% of the videos I try. It mostly converts in 2 secs and the files end up being 0kb. Not really helping. I did use the preset Dragons gave as well. It just sucks that PSP, iPod, and Clie mp4 codecs are all slightly different enough where I can't use the videos on my clie. I mean, about 80% of my videos are already in mp4, just they won't work. I'm a little frustrated. I'll probably try later on in the week. Thanks guys.
bdhu2001
02-05-2006, 08:14 AM
The FMP works for me. It allows me to pause, go back and forth, and rename my movie files. The free programs that you mention to convert to MP4, do any of the convert recorded TV files from Media Center PCs?
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 10:21 AM
So, what do I do with it? It downloads as a .txt which I'm sure its not. So its a .ffx? I'm assuming I use ffmpegX, can you give me the link for where the latest version is? Also, in the past I have not got it to work because I was unable to get the proper downloads it requires. Any help and directions would be great. Thanks Dragons and good work.
Remove the .txt extension and keep the .ffx
NoFrillDVDtoiPod- free
iSquint- free
Handbrake Lite- free
DVD VX
PSPware
All of these programs encode either video or DVD's to an mp4 format video. Some meant specifically for the iPod, some for the PSP, and some do both. But, none of these produces an mp4 video that is compatible with the VZ. What the crap, I mean seriously. What makes the formats different and is there a program for the Mac that can do what IC2 basically does. All these programs are really easy to use. I just wish I could get it going with my VZ.
Dragons, I used your download and I converted a family guy.avi file. I haven't had any success with any other file. Like I said, most of my files are already .mp4 and I guess FFmpegx doesn't see that it needs a conversion and nothing happens. Help
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 12:33 PM
So it doesn't do anything? It just converts to 100% once it starts?
And remember, the file name needs to be M4V00001.MP4, M4V00002.MP4, M4V00001.MP4, etc. and the folder needs to be MP_ROOT/100MNV01
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 12:40 PM
Oh, and I just remembered. Everytime you open a different file, you need to open the template again...
File -> Load Preset
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 12:42 PM
I finally got ffmpegx to finally work. But, it only encodes about 20% of the videos I try. It mostly converts in 2 secs and the files end up being 0kb. Not really helping. I did use the preset Dragons gave as well. It just sucks that PSP, iPod, and Clie mp4 codecs are all slightly different enough where I can't use the videos on my clie. I mean, about 80% of my videos are already in mp4, just they won't work. I'm a little frustrated. I'll probably try later on in the week. Thanks guys.
What is the format you are converting from when it is 0kb?
OK, I have to load the preset as I only did it once. Also, it automatically converts the files to the proper naming scheme with .mp4 but they are just 0kb files. I have converted everything with the PSP encoding. I'll try some again while loading your preset first. Loading the preset may have been the only reason the one family guy converted and every other one did not.
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 01:32 PM
Loading the preset may have been the only reason the one family guy converted and every other one did not.
That IS the reason, I think. :D
I tried converting a .mpg and I loaded your preset first and same result. Just an update.
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 01:38 PM
Try converting the .mpg to .avi, and open the .avi, open the preset, and convert :)
One of the main reasons I really wanted the VZ was for its native ability to play.mp4's. In addition, I have a variety of apps with one click usability to convert multiple videos. I really don't want to have to go through the loops I use to with previous Clie's. I do know how to make it work and I could just use another program but it just sucks as I'm circumventing a big reason I purchased the VZ. All is not lost as I know somebody will figure it out and I'm going to keep trying. Also, I have got much more use out of the VZ than oringally anticipated and its not just for entertainment and video is not its sole purpose as I thought it would.
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 01:52 PM
Well, you can always use TCPMP. I set it to the movie button. TCPMP plays it better, anyway. ;)
I may end up having to use TCPMP or FMP full time but I'm going to try and find a quick/easy process to get my videos easily viewed with ML.
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 02:03 PM
Well, you can view the settings in the preset, if you need them.
I ripped a scene from the office dvd with YadeX . I opened the vob file in ffmpegX and tried saving it using the psp presets. The resulting file was able to be viewed in QT7. No luck in VZ90 with the bulit in movie player or FMP. Tried a number setting (mp4, mov and mpeg1) still no luck.
dragon, I am going to try your preset and see if it works for me. I want to use FMP fulltime. Are there any advantages other than the TCPMP's ability to play almost any format that it has over FMP? Is it a huge drain on the battery?
It worked for me! In both FMP and the built in movie player! Thanks dragon for the preset.
I also realized what I had been doing incorrectly. I had been naming the files using the M4VXXXXX.MP4 and placing them in MQ_ROOT/100MQV01 (which is for .MQV files) instead of MP_ROOT/100MNV01. (for .MP4) :o
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 04:14 PM
It worked for me! In both FMP and the built in movie player! Thanks dragon for the preset.
No problem, glad it worked :D
I put it together from info on the web, and loaded it all up. If you were at the chat around 9:45 central, you would have seen it in the works :)
What Chat? I asked before and you didn't respond. I wanted to be apart of it, I think what and where was it?
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 10:46 PM
1src chat. It is always chat night on Saturday http://www.1src.com/chat
Really :rolleyes: . I got to get in on one of those. Sound like I've been missing a lot.
About the programs. I believe I've only tried 3 of the 5. So, I will give all 5 another shot with possibly changing settings and I'll get back with results some time later this week. Hopefully it'll be with a free program with moderate adjustments. I wonder how many VZ/Mac owners there are? Mac owners are only 5-6% of all computer owners and VZ90's are still quite rare in their own right so I can't imagine there being a significant amount. Though, I guess a IC2 type program for Macs would gather a following and be something people would support.
P.S. I'll have my UX50 tomorrow morning :D :D . I'm ready to get working hard all the time and anywhere possible. ;)
dragonsgames
02-05-2006, 11:45 PM
This preset will work for the UX also, btw.
FFMPEGX is easy, quick, and free, why use IC2?
I've never really had success with FFmpegX :confused: Don't know why. I had a lot of success with it on the PC side but once switching over I have never been able to get it to work. For example, I tried converting a .avi to a .mov and it converted fine, so I thought. Played it and the audio was completely distorted and off :mad: .
I had one question though. Does mp4 require aac as the audio format? Also, can the VZ read the aac audio encoded with the mp4 through ML? I encoded a single video through all 5 apps I have and none had options to change the audio to mp3 and all were encoded with aac. So, what exactly does the VZ need. I want to run the video through all of them again and try playing each one to see if they work. Any input on this?
dragonsgames
02-06-2006, 04:34 PM
It needs to be .mp3 :)
That's what I thought. :(
dragonsgames
02-06-2006, 04:37 PM
This is why I really don't use MediaLauncher for movies. I use TCPMP, smoother and much easier.... :o
Interesting update to note. Changing the file extension of a VR recorded video to .mov allows it to be played with Quicktime, no big deal. Looking at the video info it shows:
"MPEG-4 Video, 320 x 240, Millions, AAC, Stereo, 24.000 kHz FPS: 14.99"
So, it does read AAC? What I'm going to try, and hopefully do by weeks end, is reencode a video using the 5 different programs and change the extension to either .mp4, .mov, or .mqv followed by placing it in all three directories and see what works. Hopefully I'll get somewhere. What do you guys think?
I'm not familiar with handbrake lite (or any of the other software), but I did try handbrake and then change the extension and I couldn't get it to work for me for a viewable file on my pda. It did work on the video ipod. So hopefully you will have better luck.
I think it is a good idea to try as many options. You can then eliminate what doesn't work and then eventually narrow it down to one that actually works for you.
I believe ffmpegX will allow you to change the audio. Also what issues are you having with ffmpegX? Have you tried contacting the developer?
I tried converting a vob file to mpeg1. I kept getting a file with zero bytes. Turn out the problem was with the audio track. There were several subtitles track causing the problem. I pasted the ffmpegX progress log into an email to the developer and he told me to change the audio track. It was at 0 and I changed it to 2. It worked. I was able to watch the Italian Job on the MediaLaucher Movie player and FMP.
Since then I have downloaded TCPMP and it's exactly what dragon said. Smooth and easy. I took that same vob file of the Italian Job and converted it to avi file and was able to play it on TCPMP. This yield the best result. It took about YadeX 10 minutes to extract the vob file and ffmpegX about 1hr and 25 minutes to convert. The movie is 99 mins. So it looks like the process was in real time.
I used YadeX, ffmpegX and TCPMP (ML Movieplayer and FMP depending on what I save the file as).
Ford_Focus_ZX5
02-08-2006, 10:18 AM
I got it to work!!!
Download the pre-made template here:
http://dragonsgames.com/ML.ffx
:D
umm...how do i use this and what is it for? thanks
It's a premade template for ffmpegX. If you have the program you can load this preset and covert the video file without trying to determine the setting on your own. dragon's preset works for converting a file to a format the can be read by the vz90 media launcher movie player and Full Movie Player.
It's a great program video/audio encoder program for the Mac and I believe there is one for Windows: http://homepage.mac.com/major4/index.html
dragonsgames
02-21-2006, 10:53 PM
Ok, this isn't converting to .mp4. It is converting to .mpg... :(
So the template that you provided only works for mpeg1? I thought it was odd, but I don't know that much about compression, but when I loaded your template it clearly states, mpeg1 not mp4. Is that what you meant?
I have tried several mp4 preset in ffmpegX and was not able to get anything to work. Back to more testing.
dragonsgames
02-22-2006, 10:16 PM
What if it isn't the video settings we have wrong, but the audio?
bdhu2001
03-07-2006, 08:23 AM
xell, you use the FMP on your VZ90. Do you have problems with the video going into sleep mode?
No issues that I can tell with FMP, I think I need to test it more. But it doesn't go into sleep mode.
But with TCPMP, the screen goes dark (but I still have sound) for a minute, then I click the screen and then video returns to the screen. This happens like every 20 minutes or so.
I have been alternating between FMP, ML Movie and TCPMP. I am going to do further testing on all three to see what happens. I will post my results at the end of the week.
bdhu2001
03-08-2006, 07:05 AM
My mistake; I meant the screen goes into sleep mode. I do still have sound. It doesn't happen in ML Movie. I deleted TCPMP, because the movies were choppy and if it wasn't going to work great, I saw no reason to use the space. Other people have told me that they use TCPMP and they hadn't had the problem. Maybe they haven't watched something for over 20 mins or it only happens to one of the movie player settings.
bdhu2001: Finally tested all the movie players, ML FMP and TCPMP. I had FMP and TCPMP both go into sleep mode. I had sound but no picture. Tapping the screen brings the picture back but both players go back into sleep mode every 15 -20 minutes.
Maybe I will try unistalling DA Launcher and TCPMP to see if that works. I like FMP and it works without issue on my TH55. Maybe there is a conflict or something. Because I'm almost positive that I had no issues with FMP on the vz90.
bdhu2001
03-14-2006, 08:35 PM
Thanks for getting back to me. I don't have DA Launcher and I deleted TCPMP, but none of the initial users mentioned this issue so I think it's something we can get past it. I just got some other posts onthis (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?p=904333&posted=1#post904333) other thread so others are having the sleep mode screen and some aren't sure because they use TCPMP. TCPMP was choppy on the VZ90 when I tried to watch a full movie, so I deleted it. If you get FMP to work w/o screen going into sleep mode Let me know what works and I'll do the same thing.
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