NX price drop = New clie coming

[Marudine]

Just found this article from palminfo, stating that the NX70 has just reduced its price. Clie euthasists anticipated that a nx equivalent clie is coming real soon, that's why SONY is reducing the nx price .. and this goes in line with the rumour last week about an equivalent nx clie coming. 

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5216

[williepalm]

Usually, thats the case, knowing Sony.

[Marudine]

Just check the nx price from the SONY website in my country, the price had just adjusted downward, therefore the rumour is getting some lights now ....

[Unregistered]

yep also heard new one is being released.

[yOyOYoo]

There was a new clie already being planned out the day the NX began selling on the shelves.

[Jeffry]

A CLIE w/ megapixel camera is coming!!! ;)

[Rosenkrantz]

Hmmm if it has a better battery I might downgrade from the NZ90. I really dislike the bulk of the NZ and the battery stinks.

[ashVID]

A price drop does not always mean a new product. It is the beginning of the 2nd quarter and the economy is a mess. The real indicator to me is the massive amount of b-stock being liquidated thru sites like overstock.com This is almost always an indicator or a company cutting their losses on an old model and trying to get tax relief by losing money on selling b-stock.

I would love a mega-pixel CCD camera but I just dont see how they can do it without making it more the size of the NZwhich is just too bulky for my tastes...


ash =o)

[yOyOYoo]

I don't have a link to the post about SOny's japanese new swivel design camera phone, but it does have a 1.3mp camera on it. If they can fit it on a phone, they shouldn't have a problem on the NX.

I don't know why the NZ is so huge with a 2mp camera. Have you guys seen cameras like the Casio Exilim S3. It is less than an inch thick, is the size of a credit card, and has 3.2mp processor. Sony can do better.

[JackAxe]

Because I am a broken record, I wll say this again and again. THE NEW CLIE'S WIlL HAVE PXA255 XScales!!! Intel is phasing out the PXA250 because of it's MEDIOCRE performance!!!

Wouldn't a mega-pixel camera take poor images without a flash? The current NX and NR take horrible pictures.

<]=)

[Marudine]

Well, I believe if the size and weight are about the same as nx, with add on features like flash, 1MP cam, Blue tooth, better processor, removal battery and hopefully more RAM, then the coming unit is going to be hot selling (of course at reasonable price tag).

[Baker1369]

If they come out with a nx style device with integrated bluetooth one of you is gonna get a killer deal on my tg50! :)

[Jeffry]

I'm sure the price is still around $600...

[OcellNuri]

Personally... and this is me. I'm not saying Sony should do this, but this is what I'm looking for...

Give me Bluetooth, PXA255, 32 meg of RAM, 1.0 megapixel camera, but NO FLASH. A flash is the last thing I want in my PDA. Last thing I want to do when I start my camera app is charge a giant capactior in a flash circuit. When I take pictures with my NX I'm taking pictures to remember things.. I'm not going to publish them in a magazine. The NX has been the most useful PDA I've ever owned. Bluetooth, more RAM, faster chip, and a higher res camera would make it even better of course, but I feel that the bulk, power consumption, and lag of a flash is the last thing I need.

I know there are going to be people who say "Sony isn't just trying to please you, they are making a PDA for everyone." And I agree with that statement 100%. I'm not saying they have to do what I want, but it is still what I want right? :D I can hope.

[JwY]

it's still $950 canadian price at most places......
too bad it's still too much for me.

[Marudine]

Here is the latest story from Brighthand on the nx70v price drop ...

http://www.brighthand.com/article/NX70V_Price_Drop_May_Be_a_Sign_of_Things_to_Come

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by JackAxe
Intel is phasing out the PXA250 because of it's MEDIOCRE performance!!!


If the PXA250 had "mediocre performance", how the heck would you characterize the Dragonball EZ's performance?

"Non-existent performance"?

"Insignificant performance"?

"Is it on?"?

:p

[kstuart]

Wouldn't a mega-pixel camera take poor images without a flash?

I use the flash on my 3 MP camera about 2% of the time. If it is a close-up, I use an indirect close light source, otherwise normal lighting is sufficient, especially outdoors. :)

A flash is mainly for indoor pictures of people at dinner parties or equivalent...

[JackAxe]

Originally posted by Shogmaster


If the PXA250 had "mediocre performance", how the heck would you characterize the Dragonball EZ's performance?

"Non-existent performance"?

"Insignificant performance"?

"Is it on?"?

:p

Not the same CPU, so no comparison. But then again, I wonder if a PXA250 running at 66Mhz would be able to emulate a GB as good as the Dragonball SuperVZ does. just my thoughts from playing around with my PPC at 100Mhz, runs like a dead dog, but at 500 things run good. =)

The PXA250 was supposedly faster then the StrongArm 206. But fortunately people saw throught Intel's performance B.S. early on and called them on it. And the fact that a Pentium 60 with a non-accelerated video card can run Quake way faster then an XScale PXA250 running at 500Mhz makes it mediocre CPU in my book. Pathetic also comes to mind.

<]=P

[JackAxe]

Originally posted by kstuart


I use the flash on my 3 MP camera about 2% of the time. If it is a close-up, I use an indirect close light source, otherwise normal lighting is sufficient, especially outdoors. :)

A flash is mainly for indoor pictures of people at dinner parties or equivalent...

I'm mostly indoors, I get burned easily since I'm butt white.

My best pictures come from outside, the lens speed adjust to about 1/250 and takes some purdey pictures with lot's of detail. I tried taking some macro shot's indoors, but without the flash the images are grainy.

<]=)

[nz007]

so do you all know exactly what the new clie will look like?

i heard it has a retractable CF slot for wifi and camera is same as NX

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally posted by Shogmaster

"Is it on?"?

:p

Ahahaha, that's precisely it! :)

Re: new Clie, *all* I want is a NX with 32MB RAM and a CF slot. If that would happen, I'd whip out my already-overfilled-from-N-T-NR-purchases card and just snap it up. Camera is nice, though not too necessary. I just want OS5, WiFi and 32MB RAM so that I can run the friggin Netfront. :) Cause even now, with 15MB available, I have to keep juggling apps to sync my AvantGo channels...

Whatever they do, I *sincerely* hope they won't just release another Clie with 11MB RAM, or even 15MB. That would just be backwards. Even if it has a 4MP digital/movie camera, Bluetooth?WiFi/CF/Smart Card/MMC/SD/punch card reader and if it talks to you and cooks food for you.

-pN

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by JackAxe


Not the same CPU, so no comparison. But then again, I wonder if a PXA250 running at 66Mhz would be able to emulate a GB as good as the Dragonball SuperVZ does. just my thoughts from playing around with my PPC at 100Mhz, runs like a dead dog, but at 500 things run good. =)

The PXA250 was supposedly faster then the StrongArm 206. But fortunately people saw throught Intel's performance B.S. early on and called them on it. And the fact that a Pentium 60 with a non-accelerated video card can run Quake way faster then an XScale PXA250 running at 500Mhz makes it mediocre CPU in my book. Pathetic also comes to mind.

<]=P

Jack, you are a man of mystery to me. You make all the excuses in the world on Mac performance yet you are complaining about XScale's performance? XScale is a mobile proc. In the world of mobile procs, even the PXA250 is the king. And the new PXA255, of which the ONLY real tweek was increasing the front side bus and not anything else architecturally, will be the king since nothing else in the mobile areana is coming close.

And about Quake performance, you answered question yourself with your very first sentetnce! Not the same proc! You are complaining that a program written orignally for an X86 desktop processor is not running fater on a ported plaform with wildly dissimilar architecture that emphesizes first and foremost BATTERY PERFORMANCE. Yeesh!

[Pseudo Nim]

I agree with Shogmaster. The megahertz rating is totally subjective. An Athlon running at 1.5GHz is comparable to a P4 running at 2GHz because of the number of instructions per cycle and such. As well, a mobile Pentium-4 is not nearly comparable to a desktop P4 because speed is sacrificed for battery life. As well, a 300MHz DEC Alpha 21164 back in the day was THE fastest CPU on the planet, destroying ANY competition from ANY other CPU, including the MIPS R10000 and the like (and Intel didn't even figure in the equation).

So just because a P60 can run Quake and an Xscale can't doesn't make it a "mediocre" or a "pathetic" CPU. Making bold, sweeping statements without knowing the facts does, though. ;)

-pN

[SamuraiCatJB]

nor is a xeon P4 speed the same as the p4, as the math processor portion is speed up by 10%.... (realistically 5%, I have never seen 10% diff)

The public wants a baseline comparison between apples and tangerines.... so you can compare sugar level (calories=mhz) or you actually look at the entire mineral/vitamine content (benchmarks). Like shopping most people want one line to tell them everything, it doesn't. But reading through all the benchmarks is as much of a pain as reading through the Nutrition facts for food.... most don't....

[JackAxe]

Hey I didn't mention the Mac thing here, that's for the off-topic section.

The XScale took a step back like all recent Intel CPUs. If the XScale lived up to Intel's propaganda and was actually faster then the StrongArm, like they stated it would be, then I would have more praise for the PXA250. Battery life on the PPC side which has alway been poor when compared to the Clie', did not improve with the the XScale. So now the PPCs are slower with no improvement to the battery life. I know this will change with the PXA255 and if a StrongArm could run at 400+Mhz, it would probalby kill the battery in 2 hours. And from what I've read the StrongArm has reached it's end.


I know I'm being too harsh with the mediocre and pathetic comment, but for the most part I'm not impressed with the PXA250. But compared to Intel's Itanium, it's a the best CPU of all time.:D

The slight change of the 200Mhz FSB made all the difference, 20-30% at the same clock speeds.

<]=P

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by JackAxe
Hey I didn't mention the Mac thing here, that's for the off-topic section.

The XScale took a step back like all recent Intel CPUs. If the XScale lived up to Intel's propaganda and was actually faster then the StrongArm, like they stated it would be, then I would have more praise for the PXA250. Battery life on the PPC side which has alway been poor when compared to the Clie', did not improve with the the XScale. So now the PPCs are slower with no improvement to the battery life. I know this will change with the PXA255 and if a StrongArm could run at 400+Mhz, it would probalby kill the battery in 2 hours. And from what I've read the StrongArm has reached it's end.


I know I'm being too harsh with the mediocre and pathetic comment, but for the most part I'm not impressed with the PXA250. But compared to Intel's Itanium, it's a the best CPU of all time.:D

The slight change of the 200Mhz FSB made all the difference, 20-30% at the same clock speeds.

<]=P

Come on now, let's be fair! What did MS do to the PPC OS to adjust for going from Strongarm to XScale? Nothing! Just like all Intel proc transitions of the past, comparing previous to the new proc at similar Mhz would make the new proc about the same or sometimes even slower!

Look at 468DX66 to Pentium 66Mhz. And Pentium MMX 266Mhz to Pentium II 266Mhz. Also PII 450Mhz to Pentium III450Mhz. PIII 1Ghz to Pentium 4 1.3Ghz.

Alll these transition had the same effect. Only the software uitilizing the new architecture's advantage showed improvements in performance.

Besides, how does a proc go from "mediocre" to good when only change is the front side bus? The change is so small that the proc designation went from PXA250 to PXA255!

More reasonable statement would be that PXA250 was hampered by the front side bus, but is of nearly the same capability as the PXA255.

[Marudine]

Well, it has been a quiet week since the release of the rumours on the new nx replacement. I believe most clie enthusiasts (like myself) are patiently waiting for the news.

However in one of the threads (posted in Feb 03 just after the release of NZ90), someone mentioned about his "friend's wife" actually told him that the next high end sony portable device will equip with a 5Gb storage device that can do video recording .. seems to be coming true.

If you're the thread poster of the about, is there anymore update from your friend's wife who is working in SONY ?? I think most of us will appreciate a mild rumour at this point.

[Eddy]

wow, a 5G with video recording... sounds nice. :D
I'd surely like to know about those insider info too.
Not that Sony can't make it now, but why the sudden rush to jump to such a high end device? why not just increase little by little to make much more profit along the way? Corp. tactics
Just kinda got me thinking about the battery consumption...

[lostether]

I really don't think the 5gig device is a PDA. It may well be part of the Clie line but I think it is intended as competition for the new microsoft reference design personal video device (don't really remember what they called it.) These and competing devices are supposed to hit this summer, and I think Archos introduced one before Christmas '02, although it had a tiny screen. Basically they allow on device compression of a video source such as digital cable, composite, or similar. Basically PVR for the road.

[nz007]

no way 5G, they might as well call it their new Laptop line

[Marudine]

well, that has been the speculation for the past few weeks.

[nandaiyo]

Hmm, well the NX70V is back up to $599 on http://SonyStyle.com. But they do toss in some free perks like a 64mb memory stick (whopee) and leather case (looks like a small day planner).

[Jeffry]

The NX price drop is apparent at Sony Style canada:

WAS: $999
NOW: $799

http://www.sonystyle.ca/webapp/commerce/servlet/ProductDisplay?merchant_rn=1&prrfnbr=65023&cgrfnbr=15521&catLandNum=15520&parent=CLIE_PDA

A new CLIE is indeed coming...

[VLevyNYC]

Originally posted by williepalm
Usually, thats the case, knowing Sony.

Im not sure if you view this as a good or bad thing. But I would like to point out that reducing prices in anticipation of a new product coming out is a responsible thing to do for a manufacturer, becaue they are adjusting downward the price to reflect the relative disparties in function. That is stardard pricing theory, and every major manufacturuer prcatices this. I realize they also get to clear out old inventory by reducing the price, and that is a factor too, but all things equal you still get what you pay for.

[nz007]

seen the latest Sony easter promo?

u get a free easter egg with the NX70 bundle deal!!

[nz007]

and a roast chicken if you are lucky!

[Marudine]

Sigh .. still no news on the next clie ... I'm waiting !!

[dphar]

please hurry Sony. I want a new toy!

[Jeffry]

I'm guessing that dphar is still fiddling with his N760c... poor guy.

[dphar]

Originally posted by Jeffry
I'm guessing that dphar is still fiddling with his N760c... poor guy.

her T615...:D

[Eddy]

This thread is so so funny.... LOL :D

[Jeffry]

Originally posted by dphar


her T615...:D

oops :p